[ANN][AKC] Anti-Keiser Coin REVAMPED ~900M Coins!

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

 

http://imageshack.com/a/img829/8356/kl77.png
Original thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458860.0

New Development Team:
AKC-DAVENYC1
AKC-MoldyPenguins
AKC-Renfeit
AKC-NJRiot
AKC-Poolindemcoins

I could write a long novel explaining all of the things that have happened with this coin. However, I want to keep this short and sweet.

The developer gave this coin to the community, and now we are a small team from around the world doing our best to create supportive, long-lasting, and profitable environment for this coin.

The fact is, there is an increasing amount of worthless coins being generated daily, and few of them are being supported directly.

We believe the things that make the coins valuable are markets, interest, and a supportive and creative community.

Also, this whole coin was based on a principle. The principle that people want a fair coin, with fair parameters, and REAL potential. So with that said, we are going to stand by our coin with honesty and integrity.

Total mining time ~ 66 Days.
Block Halves every 12k blocks
Total coins - 900 Million.

Most of the information is below, if you guys need any help please feel free to ask questions in the forum as we will be doing our best to maintain communication and support for you guys!


Thanks for the support everyone,

AKC-Poolindemcoins



==============Technical==============
Based on Litecoin Scrypt
Total - 900Million Anti-Keiser Coins
40,000 coins per Block, Block halves rewards every 12k blocks, Average Block Time: 2 minutes
6% chance for an extra 100,000 coins per Block
.6% chance for an extra 250,00 coins per Block
.06% chance for an extra 500,000 coins per Block
Diff Retarget @ 30 Blocks
Premine : 1 Block, for promotional give-aways.

******Implmenting Kimoto's Gravity Well at Block 12000******** If you don't want to get forked, update!!!

=======UPDATED 3/2/2014 Wallets=======
Linux (will made by community) SEE INSTRUCTIONS HERE: https://github.com/AntiKeiserCoin/akc/blob/master/doc/readme-qt.rst
Mac Os:
https://mega.co.nz/#!VwZDBCqT!4R0Pxtmis5-giVB2JyoFbpwW9ZtcqwQ5Y5mGTTXSudo
Windows
] https://mega.co.nz/#!thJUHKAJ!lP8-l7L-fuqaFWD3OfEJyFThmfIVbKzFTQz1KO4Z25k]
Online Wallet***2/24/2014 Please try and use Mac, Win, and Linux wallets only, if you need help transferring coins, find a friend or ask the Dev team*** : http://antikeisercoin.com/OnlineWallet

Source : https://github.com/AntiKeiserCoin/akc

==============Pools==============
Be careful! Mining alternative cryptocurrencies is a gamble, as they have no guaranteed value.
(I will try to contact major/known pool owners for miners safety.)

http://akc.hashfaster.com/ +
http://akc.multi-pool.eu/ +
http://akc.coinpoolr.us/
http://akc.PoolMineWith.Us
http://www.p2poolbrasil.org:9918/static/ *new pool!!!! give them some love  
http://akc.520cn.com *Chinese pool
http://akc.stablehash.com/  %0 fee! Website has been down!!! 2/27/14 and the last few days at least.
http://akc.poolmining.de This pool was the reason our first launch had to be pushed back 24 hours. He has apologized however - treat with caution.

Support
Site: Will be available soon! Relaunch for website within March-April Please do not play dice at the current one.
http://www.twitter.com/AntiKeiser
antikeisercoin@gmail.com

We will definitely be on these forums as well =)

====================================

antikeisercoin.conf

Code:

rpcuser=*your username*
rpcpassword=*your password*
rpcport=39918
daemon=1
addnode=69.85.86.195
addnode=168.144.97.93
addnode=107.170.47.131
addnode=5.47.22.68
addnode=128.199.246.87
addnode=50.26.175.132
addnode=201.47.89.182
addnode=189.102.120.222
addnode=103.19.253.50
addnode=85.186.96.58
addnode=117.206.161.111
addnode=185.3.135.114

Vote for Exchanges:
https://www.mintpal.com/voting

==============Services============== :

Faucets:
http://earncryptocoins.com/antikeisercoin

Articles:
http://altcoinauthority.com/2014/02/maxcoin-maxfail-or-maximum-success/

AKC Official Website being re-developed sorry for the inconvenience, please move funds from online wallet to Win/Mac/Linux.

If I missed anything please send me a pm and I will go back and edit, thank you again!

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[Reverb]

Oh gosh...

[cryptohunter]

did the community want this to happen?

seems a bad idea for those that were mining before?

[gambino]

WTF 10B coins?!? are you crazy?

[zsnorbi]

this is not good. you have had to multiply early supporters balance by 10  not just inflate the coin with more than 1000 percent

[Manwe]

BAD IDEA! REALLY BAD! VERY BAD! No worth to mine at all.

[Nullu]

Was this agreed by the community?

[gambino]

FIX IT ASAP OR I'M OUT!

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Everyone who was interested enough to be part of the chats was okay with it.

Although this does completely ruin any chance of pump and dump for the 30-50 people mining.

[cryptohunter]

how can this even happen if we don't update to the new wallet?

[rasnetworks]

So pointless sod off take my 50k coins with you they are worthless anyway.

[cryptohunter]

Everyone who was interested enough to be part of the chats was okay with it.

Although this does completely ruin any chance of pump and dump for the 30-50 people mining.

ok

WTDump 40m AKC

the transaction will be slow because i turn off my rigs

hold on everyone, i mean for these changes to take place we all have to upgrade to the new wallets right?
simple ... we don't ...this move is insanity for existing miners. They essential just had their share reduced to 1/10 or actually a bit less.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Everyone who was interested enough to be part of the chats was okay with it.

Although this does completely ruin any chance of pump and dump for the 30-50 people mining.

ok

WTDump 40m AKC

the transaction will be slow because i turn off my rigs

hold on everyone, i mean for these changes to take place we all have to upgrade to the new wallets right?

THEORETICALLY IF YOU GUYS DO NOT WANT THE CHANGES, YOU GUYS CAN FORK WITH THE ORIGINAL WALLET. ITS TRULY UP TO THE COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT

[badam]

Ok. A coin with some incentiveness driven to deadness. old dev did better job just leaving on it's own. I won't update the wallet maybe someone with better managing skills will take over this madness. You are a complete idiot ruining early adopters plans. Without early adopters support this coin will be more dead than it was before this thread

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Really you guys would prefer to have this coin completely mined within 66 days of launch? Between this small community there's no hope for a marketplace.

[Kheg]

Wait a sec, you're putting in KGW, but the diff retarget is still 30 blocks?   Is that a typo?  How the heck does that even work?  KGW is meant to be used on a per-block retarget basis.

[renfeit]

Everyone who was interested enough to be part of the chats was okay with it.

Although this does completely ruin any chance of pump and dump for the 30-50 people mining.

ok

WTDump 40m AKC

the transaction will be slow because i turn off my rigs

hold on everyone, i mean for these changes to take place we all have to upgrade to the new wallets right?
simple ... we don't ...this move is insanity for existing miners. They essential just had their share reduced to 1/10 or actually a bit less.

Guys what you expected ? 900 milions total coins when dev came out where mined 420 milions .  we wont a long live coin

[Manwe]

Why you changed everything? If you don't like the original reward setting, you can make a new coin.
I was mining when very few people mined, now they are shit.

[rasnetworks]

80k akc for 1 dark coin

[vdaevski]

So this coin will now die?

[Olegcho]

 

[RoooooR]

You killed great AKC. I'm sorry to say this. But here is a solution; delete topic asap.

[cryptohunter]

Really you guys would prefer to have this coin completely mined within 66 days of launch? Between this small community there's no hope for a marketplace.

This is correct....however you simply can't devalue miners share like that.  There is actually no easy solution i guess. Wasn't a greatly thought out coin..

Perhaps POS needs to be introduced to protect against 51% issues

The problem is the coin should have taken off really, maxcoin was a disgrace...however the coin didn't really fly as it should have.

If you are going to increase supply, then make the blocks way smaller and make it take a lot more years before the minting is completed so the miners share is not diluted so quickly.

[badam]

WTS 10k AKC for any coin. If i have the wallet that you offer i will sell for the best offer. pm me with your offers

[Manwe]

Delete topic asap. Or we will be out, you play with the new fucking dumpers.

[RoooooR]

WTS 10k AKC for any coin. If i have the wallet that you offer i will sell for the best offer. pm me with your offers

If you are in this community, you must not behave like this.

[cryptohunter]

don't panic everyone, these changes can NOT happen unless we use the new wallet.

Hold on i'm sure something more sensible can be worked out.

[Kheg]

Honestly folks - think about it...

• The block reward stays pretty much consistent through the life of the coin.
• The coin now has life past 2 months.
• It preserves a reason to mine it with little diminishing return for miners.

Sure, you lose the "rarity" of the coin now that its mineable for 10 years instead of 2 months, but let's face it - if nobody is mining it, then nobody will be on the network to make the transactions work and the coin will be dead anyway.  This is a PLUS.

[gambino]

Why should i keep my coins when the dev is moron and will increase the max supply with more 10000% again after month

[cryptohunter]

Why should i keep my coins when the dev is moron and will increase the max supply with more 10000% again after month

nobody can change anything unless we download the new wallet...

i think the new dev has not thought things through enough.

[vdaevski]

Really you guys would prefer to have this coin completely mined within 66 days of launch? Between this small community there's no hope for a marketplace.

This is correct....however you simply can't devalue miners share like that.  There is actually no easy solution i guess. Wasn't a greatly thought out coin..

Perhaps POS needs to be introduced to protect against 51% issues

The problem is the coin should have taken off really, maxcoin was a disgrace...however the coin didn't really fly as it should have.

If you are going to increase supply, then make the blocks way smaller and make it take a lot more years before the minting is completed so the miners share is not diluted so quickly.

POS might be the best solution for this coin

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Why should i keep my coins when the dev is moron and will increase the max supply with more 10000% again after month

nobody can change anything unless we download the new wallet...

i think the new dev has not thought things through enough.

I am completely listening to you guys and trying to understand your logic. Please keep posting your opinions, we still have a few days, and you don't have to upgrade wallets if you do not agree with the changes.

[renfeit]

So let me think about..
You mined (the same for me) milions of coins in 1 weeks and want to make easy money with that ? 2 months coin against big scam as maxcoin and after ? All will be disappeared ? We want a big coin against every scam. Is a symbol for me not only against keiser . 10b are enough for everyone. I think that who want to kill this coin is who want keep 900 milions after mined 1 / 2 or 10 or 20 .

[badam]

WTS 10k AKC for any coin. If i have the wallet that you offer i will sell for the best offer. pm me with your offers

If you are in this community, you must not behave like this.

What community? A community that inflates the coin with 1000% without compensating early adopters. I should better support myriadcoin that is an antikeiser coin without promoting itself like this. Does this antikeiser coin better in any way than maxcoin? I would better stick to minning maxcoin than supporting a ripoff like this

[Manwe]

I have downloaed from the #1411 floor of original thread , is it the "new wallet", and did as he said, so what should I do?

[Manwe]

So let me think about..
You mined (the same for me) milions of coins in 1 weeks and want to make easy money with that ? 2 months coin against big scam as maxcoin and after ? All will be disappeared ? We want a big coin against every scam. Is a symbol for me not only against keiser . 10b are enough for everyone. I think that who want to kill this coin is who want keep 900 milions after mined 1 / 2 or 10 or 20 .

Then please make another new coin! Why change this one?

[renfeit]

So let me think about..
You mined (the same for me) milions of coins in 1 weeks and want to make easy money with that ? 2 months coin against big scam as maxcoin and after ? All will be disappeared ? We want a big coin against every scam. Is a symbol for me not only against keiser . 10b are enough for everyone. I think that who want to kill this coin is who want keep 900 milions after mined 1 / 2 or 10 or 20 .

Then please make another new coin!
And let die on 2 months this anti scam coin opportunità?

[zsnorbi]

Why should i keep my coins when the dev is moron and will increase the max supply with more 10000% again after month

nobody can change anything unless we download the new wallet...

i think the new dev has not thought things through enough.

I am completely listening to you guys and trying to understand your logic. Please keep posting your opinions, we still have a few days, and you don't have to upgrade wallets if you do not agree with the changes.

If you want to be fair that AKC claims to be release a wallet with a "bug" that adds 1000% to current balances. No coins can survive without early adopters support. You just cant devalorize those balances who mined this coin with the hope to be a fair coin, with future

[gambino]

Dev, can you explain me why i paid btc for 1% of the max coins and receive only 0.01%

[Manwe]

You can not blame the people who want to make money on coins. I mined mils for DOGE at the early days, I made much moneyh, so what? I could see the future of DOGE and some people didn't!

Like the OP said, mining is like a gamble.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Dev, can you explain me why i paid btc for 1% of the max coins and receive only 0.01%

You guys want compensation? For being the first miners on a coin? Isn't that the best time to mine regardless? You guys just want to throw your machines at another coin asap right? Get the easy premine across all coins?

[renfeit]

Why should i keep my coins when the dev is moron and will increase the max supply with more 10000% again after month

nobody can change anything unless we download the new wallet...

i think the new dev has not thought things through enough.

I am completely listening to you guys and trying to understand your logic. Please keep posting your opinions, we still have a few days, and you don't have to upgrade wallets if you do not agree with the changes.

If you want to be fair that AKC claims release a wallet with a "bug" that adds 1000% to current balances. No coins can survive without early adopters support. You just cant devalorize those balances who mined this coin with the hope to be a fair coin with future

We are talking of 0.05 GH/s on last week .
.devalorize what ?

[Manwe]

Now you are still say this on new thread: Mining alternative cryptocurrencies is a gamble.

But this gamble should be decided by the market.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Now you are still say this on new thread: Mining alternative cryptocurrencies is a gamble.

But this gamble should be decided by the market.

We only have .02-.03 GHs right now, what market do you think there is?

[Manwe]

Now you are still say this on new thread: Mining alternative cryptocurrencies is a gamble.

But this gamble should be decided by the market.

We only have .02-.03 GHs right now, what market do you think there is?

It is an accident the old dev being sick -- good luck to him. Even AKC is dead, it is an accident to everybody includes the old dev, it is a gamble and we lose, I can accept the fate making we lose.

You have a good idea, you can make a new coin, maybe we will support you, but you are making a new coin base on his AKC. I know you are the new dev now, you have full authorization, but your job if fixing and developing base on his work.

[renfeit]

Now you are still say this on new thread: Mining alternative cryptocurrencies is a gamble.

But this gamble should be decided by the market.

We only have .02-.03 GHs right now, what market do you think there is?

It is an accident the old dev being sick -- good luck to him. Even AKC is dead, it is an accident to everybody includes the old dev, it is a gamble and we lose, I can accept the fate making we lose.

You have a good idea, you can make a new coin, maybe we will support you, but you are making a new coin base on his AKC. I know you are the new dev now, you have full authorization, but your job if fixing and developing base on his work.

Man.. 0.05 gh/s means 20/30 peoples max, we are talking about a long term coin, symbol of anti scam, not a pump and dump coin, do make easy money and leave.. if it's your purpose i don't care of it, if it's not your purpose just wait and support this coin to grow asap and hit a good market

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Hakuna your Tatas Manwe, we still have time to not upgrade the wallet if you guys really don't want to and change back to original dev settings if that is what the community truly wants. But this completely nullifies the dev team. This coin is its own beast at that point.

We wanted to provide places to play games and marketplaces and get some fun things going. If all the coins are mined and in the hands of a few people that will do nobody any good in 3 months.

[badam]

Hakuna your Tatas Manwe, we still have time to not upgrade the wallet if you guys really don't want to and change back to original dev settings if that is what the community truly wants. But this completely nullifies the dev team. This coin is its own beast at that point.

We wanted to provide places to play games and marketplaces and get some fun things going. If all the coins are mined and in the hands of a few people that will do nobody any good in 3 months.

Make a poll. That's how a community decides not by 5 posters supporting an insane ideea

[Manwe]

OK, I have fully expressed my opinions, now listen what other people say.

But I have deleted all the thing about new wallet, and I am redownloading the old one. This is my choice.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Poll is created, vote for what you guys want, I am here to support you.

I wanted to create a market and establish longevity and that was our purpose of the 10 billion.

If you guys want to only have 900M and finish mining by April that's fine too.

[renfeit]

for everyone who want to vote.. consider that 400+ milions coins are mined

[chip99]

im in but we are almost 10k  blocks mined already 

[renfeit]

im in but we are almost 10k  blocks mined already 

so ? diff is really looow

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Yeah we are 10k blocks in already, meaning if we dont transition we have already mined over 30% of all coins already. Probably 40%

If we do transition we have only mined a fraction of that

[chip99]

Yeah we are 10k blocks in already, meaning if we dont transition we have already mined over 30% of all coins already. Probably 40%

If we do transition we have only mined a fraction of that

so what happened here you just relaunched the coin with more coins ?
thats a pretty big premine you got there. wasnt the release just 1 hour ago?

[Joerii]

My wallet won't sync up, even after I made a .conf with the right name and nodes added.....

[cryptohunter]

Hakuna your Tatas Manwe, we still have time to not upgrade the wallet if you guys really don't want to and change back to original dev settings if that is what the community truly wants. But this completely nullifies the dev team. This coin is its own beast at that point.

We wanted to provide places to play games and marketplaces and get some fun things going. If all the coins are mined and in the hands of a few people that will do nobody any good in 3 months.

POS is the only fair way right now, or else to push the blocks down to 10k and make the dilution of miners stakes a lot slower.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

My wallet won't sync up, even after I made a .conf with the right name and nodes added.....

Old or new?

it may be the daemon line, i know that was switched but i dont know if that effects anything directly.

[cryptohunter]

Yeah we are 10k blocks in already, meaning if we dont transition we have already mined over 30% of all coins already. Probably 40%

If we do transition we have only mined a fraction of that

so what happened here you just relaunched the coin with more coins ?
thats a pretty big premine you got there. wasnt the release just 1 hour ago?

what are you talking about this is a fully functioning coin with miners already, the relaunch in not going to delete all previous miners coins right?

this entire relaunch is not a good idea. Introduce pos and it becomes like mint or blackcoin but with fairer/longer distribution.

[chip99]

WTS 40k AKC pm offer

[renfeit]

Yeah we are 10k blocks in already, meaning if we dont transition we have already mined over 30% of all coins already. Probably 40%

If we do transition we have only mined a fraction of that

so what happened here you just relaunched the coin with more coins ?
thats a pretty big premine you got there. wasnt the release just 1 hour ago?

more coins, more blocks , kimoto gravity, new logo, new life
it's not a premine because that mined blocks aren't ours but are mined by miners

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Chip the launch was 14 days ago buddy, read the original post.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Also, it appears our nethash is increasing. We have doubled from .02 GH/s to .04GH/s in 2.5 hrs

[chip99]

oh well i thought it was a new coin that just got released. stoped mining .
selling 340k AKC if anyone interested pm with a offer.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

LOL Chip....

You make no sense

[Joerii]

My wallet won't sync up, even after I made a .conf with the right name and nodes added.....

Old or new?

it may be the daemon line, i know that was switched but i dont know if that effects anything directly.

It's a really weird issue ; NON of my altcoin wallets seem to connect to networks. Any idea what could be causing this ?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

I have no idea, we tested ours and it seems to sync and update correctly. We just had issues with date/time received that Manwe pointed out but I think it's just a minor bug.

I have 38 active connections in the new wallet for AKC.

Maybe firewall or something like that?

[Joerii]

Maybe firewall or something like that?

How do I test if the right ports are open ? Im on a hospital network so I can't acces a router :/

[renfeit]

Maybe firewall or something like that?

How do I test if the right ports are open ? Im on a hospital network so I can't acces a router :/

Here u are:

http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Does anyone have a reason to keep it at 900 million coins that doesn't have the motive of padding their pockets?

[Joerii]

Maybe firewall or something like that?

How do I test if the right ports are open ? Im on a hospital network so I can't acces a router :/

Here u are:

http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/open-ports/

Thanks ! What port does AKC use to connect to the network though ?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

rpcport=39918

[AntiMax]

Honestly folks - think about it...

• The block reward stays pretty much consistent through the life of the coin.
• The coin now has life past 2 months.
• It preserves a reason to mine it with little diminishing return for miners.

Sure, you lose the "rarity" of the coin now that its mineable for 10 years instead of 2 months, but let's face it - if nobody is mining it, then nobody will be on the network to make the transactions work and the coin will be dead anyway.  This is a PLUS.

so far I count one guy who gets it
+1

[Manwe]

Does anyone have a reason to keep it at 900 million coins that doesn't have the motive of padding their pockets?

This is offensive. You can not treat your miners and buyers like this.
You want to do a charity, you can go to help some hungry and cold people, but we are not doing this here, how can you say like this?
This is a business, it is not wrong to make money, only don't be like Keiser and Wolong.

You start a vote, and now it is being voted. You can wait.

You can not say the people want to keep 900m are for fast money only, to pump and dump.

It is not wise to lose the old users when you still don't have new users.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

So that is a no?

[AntiMax]

My wallet won't sync up, even after I made a .conf with the right name and nodes added.....

Old or new?

it may be the daemon line, i know that was switched but i dont know if that effects anything directly.

It's a really weird issue ; NON of my altcoin wallets seem to connect to networks. Any idea what could be causing this ?

its most likely your firewall disable it and let it sync !!!
if still having problems pm me and we will teamviewer and ill try to fix you up !

[Manwe]

So that is a no?

Then why you start a vote?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

I am taking votes, that's why I started.

I just want to know if anyone has a legitimate reason other than the pump and dump.

[Manwe]

AKC: 900m
LTC: 84m
BTC: 21m

Quantity has no relationship with pump and dump.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

What does that even mean?

If you hold a lot of the easy coins you make the most value from the pump and dump at whatever time it's available.

[Manwe]

I kept mining when there is only very few people mine, now you think I mined too much? You say I want fast money?

Nobody can blame me, only say I have good sight on coins. Because I was gambling. Just like some years before it is your choise to buy pizza with BTC or hold them.

This is not the business way, boss. How I know if next time you said "Oh, we need to increase the max supply to 100 Billion, don't make fast money, guys."?

Many year before, we had thousands currency such as USD/CNY salary one month, we can buy a apartment and cars, with comfortable life, and the goverment thought we get too much, and made the max supply of curreny higher, we can only kept our basic survival with our salaries now.

What is the different from you to these goverments? They just rob from us, what you are doing is far from the spirit of Bitcoin.

[Manwe]

I will accept the vote no matter which ones, I don't know if there is a cheat but both side can do cheats. I will accept without asking. Only I will throw all of them, this is my personal choice.

But you, give me the idea: when 10B wins, yes, you will change the max supply, but when 900M wins, you will ask:"Hey, give me reasons.".

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

The difference is that we are trying to change the parameters to allow more people to gain interest and have a viable mining time.

What happens when we have all the coins between a small CENTRALIZED group of people?

Especially if that small centralized group of people is already holding half the coins.

Are you going to create marketplaces, try and gain publicity, and provide a use for the coin?

That is what we are trying to achieve. But it only becomes feasible with enough interest and demand. We won't have either within 2 months.

Then are you going to keep mining to support the transactions thereafter?

No, you will probably dump and leave regardless.

[Joerii]

My wallet won't sync up, even after I made a .conf with the right name and nodes added.....

Old or new?

it may be the daemon line, i know that was switched but i dont know if that effects anything directly.

It's a really weird issue ; NON of my altcoin wallets seem to connect to networks. Any idea what could be causing this ?

its most likely your firewall disable it and let it sync !!!
if still having problems pm me and we will teamviewer and ill try to fix you up !

Yup. Seems like the hospital changed routers. ARGH !!! I created a hotspot with my phone and all is well now. Thanks for the help guyze !

[Joerii]

...and yeah changing parameters of a coin after launch is a big no- no.

Should have planned this coina bit better from the start. Lesson for the next one

You guys seem cool though. Lemme know when you launch another.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Glad we could help

Yeah Joerii, we see that now lol. We are still trying to be reasonable.

I wish the original Dev was still around to at least share his input. These coin parameters were not our idea =/ and a 66 day mining time seems unreasonable, especially since we are going to be over halfway mined by block 12k which is in a few days.

[bj240z]

Glad we could help

Yeah Joerii, we see that now lol. We are still trying to be reasonable.

I wish the original Dev was still around to at least share his input. These coin parameters were not our idea =/ and a 66 day mining time seems unreasonable, especially since we are going to be over halfway mined by block 12k which is in a few days.

Firstly, I have voted.

But, why isn't the implementation of both KGW and POS not enough? By ensuring POS is there, wallets will still be online, and transactions will be verified.

If all the coins are mined, again, I see no issue. All of the USD and AUD is in circulation.  What will drive this coin is market places, dice games, and any other "need" driven medium.

Miners are not the answer to keeping this coin alive. Driving demand is!

[Manwe]

Yes, Nextcoin is 100% premined, so what?

[Manwe]

He asked us reason, and I want t ask him a reason of "Why abandon old users?" too.

He can make a new coin, do whatever he wants to, this is even better than a 2 weeks old coin still no exchange, but he picked up this project then he needs to inherit the main setting of this coin, otherwise, there is only the name is inherited.

[Amph]

fork or lrelaunch?

[renfeit]

big up for europe awake ! good morning guys ! keep voting and start mining !

[renfeit]

wow people are coming !
 
Share this thread people !

[Nullu]

Really you guys would prefer to have this coin completely mined within 66 days of launch? Between this small community there's no hope for a marketplace.

You may as well have just relaunched the coin from scratch. It completely undermines the early supporters of the coin. I've just seen my own mined coins devalue by 10 fold.

[renfeit]

Who want to pump and dump this coin to abandone them after sold everything can vote here instead of write always the same thing here
https://www.mintpal.com/voting

and who want to keep this coin alive and give it a value keep voting
https://www.mintpal.com/voting

the same

[renfeit]

we doubled hash since yesterday

[renfeit]

Someone is able to do a block explorer ?

[vdaevski]

Someone is able to do a block explorer ?

There is opensource code for block explorer

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Nullu and Manwe. You guys are only worried about current devaluation, how much were you guys expecting to make off of it in 2 months?

Don't you think if you keep mining, and we develop a market you're coins will be worth more, and you guys already have the jump.

Do you guys also honestly believe that keeping a cryptocurrency centralized between what 36 voters is a good idea?

What would happen if all the bankers took in 50 percent of their money?

I understand this is a "devaluation" thing for all of us early miners, the fact is WE WERE ALL HERE MINING since the beginning.

I feel like you would understand the potential for the long haul.

[cryptohunter]

Nullu and Manwe. You guys are only worried about current devaluation, how much were you guys expecting to make off of it in 2 months?

Don't you think if you keep mining, and we develop a market you're coins will be worth more, and you guys already have the jump.

Do you guys also honestly believe that keeping a cryptocurrency centralized between what 36 voters is a good idea?

What would happen if all the bankers took in 50 percent of their money?

I understand this is a "devaluation" thing for all of us early miners, the fact is WE WERE ALL HERE MINING since the beginning.

I feel like you would understand the potential for the long haul.

just make a new coin

antimax

sounds better, let people choose...........

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Trust me if we make a new coin, it is not going to be even remotely close to this one.

The problem is we're trying to fix what we have.

And that's why we're voting, so the people can choose.

[cryptohunter]

Trust me if we make a new coin, it is not going to be even remotely close to this one.

The problem is we're trying to fix what we have.

And that's why we're voting, so the people can choose.

well then you are stuck

currenty miners don't want their share diluted

new miners don't want to come in late to the game

there is no fixing i guess without problems.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Trust me if we make a new coin, it is not going to be even remotely close to this one.

The problem is we're trying to fix what we have.

And that's why we're voting, so the people can choose.

well then you are stuck

currenty miners don't want their share diluted

new miners don't want to come in late to the game

there is no fixing i guess without problems.

New miners have a good year or two of mining ahead of them now. Which means we can bring more miners in that wont feel like its already been 50 percent premined

[Manwe]

AKC was a fun at beginning, but now it has no fun at all.

Tell me, why new comers come? It seems you are saying they come because they can mine, but there are a lot of coins to mine, why they mine this one?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Because unlike every other coin, we have a development team that wants to create value for this coin in the long run, even if it means devaluing what we have now. Which won't hold any value in a few months anyway.

[Olegcho]

How long? 10 years?
 

[renfeit]

AKC was a fun at beginning, but now it has no fun at all.

Tell me, why new comers come? It seems you are saying they come because they can mine, but there are a lot of coins to mine, why they mine this one?

what's the mean of mining ? the answer will answer u

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

How long? 10 years?
 

We are already about 50% COMPLETELY MINED. at block 12k we are on 10000+ we will have mined 480m coins in the first 16 days

With the update we are proposing we would increase mining time to 10 years total, with a good payout for whoever is in it the earliest.

This gives us time to become a real development team and get some hype and fun things going.

[Manwe]

Even a shit coin is saying this, how you prove?

I was a big shareholder in 900m, I can promiss to you that I won't dump.

For 10 Bil, maybe I will still be the big shareholder because a few people mine it, but if you invite more miners, how can you prevent they dumping? I dont ask you to pump, but how can you keep the value? Buying the coins back with you BTC?

What will this coin be used for?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

ALSO IF YOU GUYS ARE MAKING MORE ACCOUNTS AND VOTING MORE THAN ONCE I WILL FIND OUT!!!

[Manwe]

How long? 10 years?
 

We are already about 50% COMPLETELY MINED. at block 12k we are on 10000+ we will have mined 480m coins in the first 16 days

With the update we are proposing we would increase mining time to 10 years total, with a good payout for whoever is in it the earliest.

This gives us time to become a real development team and get some hype and fun things going.

You can ask the dev of NXT, it is 100% premined, why not add more new coins? Why people are buying NXT?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Even a shit coin is saying this, how you prove?

I was a big shareholder in 900m, I can promiss to you that I won't dump.

For 10 Bil, maybe I will still be the big shareholder because a few people mine it, but if you invite more miners, how can you prevent they dumpping? I dont ask you to pump, but how can you keep the value? Buying the coins back with you BTC?

What will this coin be used for?

If you cared enough about this coin to become part of the dev team like everyone else had the opportunity to do Manwe, you would have an idea of what we are trying to accomplish.

I am not going to draw out a year by year business proposal for you.

[renfeit]

Even a shit coin is saying this, how you prove?

I was a big shareholder in 900m, I can promiss to you that I won't dump.

For 10 Bil, maybe I will still be the big shareholder because a few people mine it, but if you invite more miners, how can you prevent they dumpping? I dont ask you to pump, but how can you keep the value? Buying the coins back with you BTC?

What will this coin be used for?

If you cared enough about this coin to become part of the dev team like everyone else had the opportunity to do Manwe, you would have an idea of what we are trying to accomplish.

I am not going to draw out a year by year business proposal for you.

Agree, there was an openchat and nobody want to get involved we have worked for free and know we don't want a 2 weeks coin to delete all our works, we hope in this, we believe and we had worked for this

[Manwe]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

No, but I do see twice the amount of NETHASH.

[renfeit]

2k blocks to KGW !

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

You would rather have a dead coin with broken parameters between you and a group of guys in Georgia and a few others?

Sounds smart.

[Manwe]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

No, but I do see twice the amount of NETHASH.

I can make it to multiply 10, but so what? Do you know what will happen if people know the rewards they are mining will be divided 10?

[Manwe]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

You would rather have a dead coin with broken parameters between you and a group of guys in Georgia and a few others?

Sounds smart.

Yes, I rather it is dead, compare with fooling me.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

No, but I do see twice the amount of NETHASH.

I can make it to multiply 10, but so what? Do you know what will happen if people know the rewards they are mining will be divided 10?

Tell me Manwe who is buying AKC right now?

What market is there right now?

What rewards are being divided by 11x. The imaginary value you are holding for AKC in your brain?

[renfeit]

Manwe what's the plan ? go back to 900 milions
and after ?
o yes, mine all coins in 2 weeks
and
After ? take this coin and let people see you have coins ? you think it can work to create a market and a value for this coin ?

[Manwe]

Do you see anyone new is joining this thread? No, only us, the old holders. You can not abandon us when you are still using this coin.
Go to make a new coin with your great idea, and great plan of marketing. I won't complain if AKC is dead in this way.

No, but I do see twice the amount of NETHASH.

I can make it to multiply 10, but so what? Do you know what will happen if people know the rewards they are mining will be divided 10?

Tell me Manwe who is buying AKC right now?

What market is there right now?

Then who will buy AKC? What market will be there?

Why no make it to be 100Bil, since you think it has been mined too much?

[Kheg]

Here's the way I see it folks... if you DON'T change anything about the coin, what you've mind will be worth exactly ZERO since no exchange will pick up a coin that will be completely mined out a month from now.  A month from now nobody will be mining it, so even if you had set up a private buyer for your stash, they'd never receive it because there'd be no network to make the transfer or confirm the transaction with.

Make no changes, AKC is worth 0.00000000 satoshis.  Period.  End of story.

The changes proposed by the devs are ... let's say ... a wee bit overbroad.  But they ARE a step in the right direction.

#1 - They DON'T devalue current holdings of anybody that mined.  Why?  
- Current holdings != total final money supply.  It's only a long-term stigma attached to the value of the coin that people need to get over.
- AKC **has no exchange** currently.  It has no tangible historical market value.  If anyone bought/sold AKC privately, then yes they have a vested interest, but that's not a public tangible historical value on the coin.
- Because of these things the value of AKC isn't even set.  It's somewhere between 0 (which is a given with the current coin parameters) and ? (depending on how it forks out).

#2 - There's no need for 10 billion coins, but to be fair for new incoming miners the total coin pool SHOULD be increased.
- Think about it, all of you current miners basically had what amounts to a month of exclusive access to the coin.  If the devs fork it in such a way to extend the remainder of the original 900 million coins out to, say, 5 years, that means in a month of mining all of you will have had the luxury of mining roughly 50% of the coin exclusively, and would profit ridiculously from any pricing effects because of it.  Would new miners mine or buyers buy AKC if they knew that?  I think WE incumbents need to be willing to compromise some here too.

Perhaps a compromise would be in order.

Extend the coin supply by 33%, that would put us at 1.2 billion total AKC (adding 225 million coins), and reduce the block reward by 25% immediately followed by an aggressive halving at a schedule to bring the coin to a 3 or 5 mine-able year supply (depending on which is more feasible).

- This will allow the coin to remain mine-able well past the original 2 month schedule.
- The extended coin supply will partially mitigate the perceived heavy "premine" that the early adopters get, but will still be small enough that it will give early adopters a bonus against the perceived dilution.
- The immediate block reward reduction and fairly aggressive halving schedule should keep the coin value in check against both the dilution as well as the the total coin supply.
- The coin parameters should now be considerably more reasonable in general for the longevity of the coin as well as potential exchange and marketing pickup
- It's not as radical a departure from the initial AKC design, but it does lose some of the flavor of the coin.  The good thing is that it still holds true to what AKC is.

I apologize to the AKC devs for not getting involved in the process earlier when asked for input.  I've had a lot on my plate, and I really didn't want to get too involved in a project like this when I don't have time to commit to it.  I love the concept of AKC - a coin that's FAIR without the notion of making a QUICK BUCK at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS (see what I did there folks?).  That's why I'm speaking up now.

This coin is going to get forked one way or another people.  Either you can all work on making the coin viable, or you're probably going to end up with a pair of coins that nobody is going to want.

[vdaevski]

No market will accept this coin if it is already mined, and it will be mined if we don't update even before it have a chance to go on market

[Manwe]

Manwe what's the plan ? go back to 900 milions
and after ?
o yes, mine all coins in 2 weeks
and
After ? take this coin and let people see you have coins ? you think it can work to create a market and a value for this coin ?

Go back to 900 milions, you will have our supporting.
Go to 10 Bil, you will lose us, and you don't know if you can have new users.

[renfeit]

Here's the way I see it folks... if you DON'T change anything about the coin, what you've mind will be worth exactly ZERO since no exchange will pick up a coin that will be completely mined out a month from now.  A month from now nobody will be mining it, so even if you had set up a private buyer for your stash, they'd never receive it because there'd be no network to make the transfer or confirm the transaction with.

Make no changes, AKC is worth 0.00000000 satoshis.  Period.  End of story.

The changes proposed by the devs are ... let's say ... a wee bit overbroad.  But they ARE a step in the right direction.

#1 - They DON'T devalue current holdings of anybody that mined.  Why?  
- Current holdings != total final money supply.  It's only a long-term stigma attached to the value of the coin that people need to get over.
- AKC **has no exchange** currently.  It has no tangible historical market value.  If anyone bought/sold AKC privately, then yes they have a vested interest, but that's not a public tangible historical value on the coin.
- Because of these things the value of AKC isn't even set.  It's somewhere between 0 (which is a given with the current coin parameters) and ? (depending on how it forks out).

#2 - There's no need for 10 billion coins, but to be fair for new incoming miners the total coin pool SHOULD be increased.
- Think about it, all of you current miners basically had what amounts to a month of exclusive access to the coin.  If the devs fork it in such a way to extend the remainder of the original 900 million coins out to, say, 5 years, that means in a month of mining all of you will have had the luxury of mining roughly 50% of the coin exclusively, and would profit ridiculously from any pricing effects because of it.  Would new miners mine or buyers buy AKC if they knew that?  I think WE incumbents need to be willing to compromise some here too.

Perhaps a compromise would be in order.

Extend the coin supply by 33%, that would put us at 1.2 billion total AKC (adding 225 million coins), and reduce the block reward by 25% immediately followed by an aggressive halving at a schedule to bring the coin to a 3 or 5 mine-able year supply (depending on which is more feasible).

- This will allow the coin to remain mine-able well past the original 2 month schedule.
- The extended coin supply will partially mitigate the perceived heavy "premine" that the early adopters get, but will still be small enough that it will give early adopters a bonus against the perceived dilution.
- The immediate block reward reduction and fairly aggressive halving schedule should keep the coin value in check against both the dilution as well as the the total coin supply.
- The coin parameters should now be considerably more reasonable in general for the longevity of the coin as well as potential exchange and marketing pickup
- It's not as radical a departure from the initial AKC design, but it does lose some of the flavor of the coin.  The good thing is that it still holds true to what AKC is.

I apologize to the AKC devs for not getting involved in the process earlier when asked for input.  I've had a lot on my plate, and I really didn't want to get too involved in a project like this when I don't have time to commit to it.  I love the concept of AKC - a coin that's FAIR without the notion of making a QUICK BUCK at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS (see what I did there folks?).  That's why I'm speaking up now.

This coin is going to get forked one way or another people.  Either you can all work on making the coin viable, or you're probably going to end up with a pair of coins that nobody is going to want.

It's an interesting theory and a good starts to discuss, agree with your purpose but i've a question now
400 milions are mined, who want to start mining a 1.2b coins ? 1/3 is mined, what community will have a coin like this ?

[renfeit]

Here's the way I see it folks... if you DON'T change anything about the coin, what you've mind will be worth exactly ZERO since no exchange will pick up a coin that will be completely mined out a month from now.  A month from now nobody will be mining it, so even if you had set up a private buyer for your stash, they'd never receive it because there'd be no network to make the transfer or confirm the transaction with.

Make no changes, AKC is worth 0.00000000 satoshis.  Period.  End of story.

The changes proposed by the devs are ... let's say ... a wee bit overbroad.  But they ARE a step in the right direction.

#1 - They DON'T devalue current holdings of anybody that mined.  Why?  
- Current holdings != total final money supply.  It's only a long-term stigma attached to the value of the coin that people need to get over.
- AKC **has no exchange** currently.  It has no tangible historical market value.  If anyone bought/sold AKC privately, then yes they have a vested interest, but that's not a public tangible historical value on the coin.
- Because of these things the value of AKC isn't even set.  It's somewhere between 0 (which is a given with the current coin parameters) and ? (depending on how it forks out).

#2 - There's no need for 10 billion coins, but to be fair for new incoming miners the total coin pool SHOULD be increased.
- Think about it, all of you current miners basically had what amounts to a month of exclusive access to the coin.  If the devs fork it in such a way to extend the remainder of the original 900 million coins out to, say, 5 years, that means in a month of mining all of you will have had the luxury of mining roughly 50% of the coin exclusively, and would profit ridiculously from any pricing effects because of it.  Would new miners mine or buyers buy AKC if they knew that?  I think WE incumbents need to be willing to compromise some here too.

Perhaps a compromise would be in order.

Extend the coin supply by 33%, that would put us at 1.2 billion total AKC (adding 225 million coins), and reduce the block reward by 25% immediately followed by an aggressive halving at a schedule to bring the coin to a 3 or 5 mine-able year supply (depending on which is more feasible).

- This will allow the coin to remain mine-able well past the original 2 month schedule.
- The extended coin supply will partially mitigate the perceived heavy "premine" that the early adopters get, but will still be small enough that it will give early adopters a bonus against the perceived dilution.
- The immediate block reward reduction and fairly aggressive halving schedule should keep the coin value in check against both the dilution as well as the the total coin supply.
- The coin parameters should now be considerably more reasonable in general for the longevity of the coin as well as potential exchange and marketing pickup
- It's not as radical a departure from the initial AKC design, but it does lose some of the flavor of the coin.  The good thing is that it still holds true to what AKC is.

I apologize to the AKC devs for not getting involved in the process earlier when asked for input.  I've had a lot on my plate, and I really didn't want to get too involved in a project like this when I don't have time to commit to it.  I love the concept of AKC - a coin that's FAIR without the notion of making a QUICK BUCK at the EXPENSE OF OTHERS (see what I did there folks?).  That's why I'm speaking up now.

This coin is going to get forked one way or another people.  Either you can all work on making the coin viable, or you're probably going to end up with a pair of coins that nobody is going to want.

It's an interesting theory and a good starts to discuss, agree with your purpose but i've a question now
400 milions are mined, who want to start mining a 1.2b coins ? 1/3 is mined, what community will have a coin like this ?

maybe 5 bilions ?

[Manwe]

If you are not going to accept the vote, why you started a vote? There is no option called 5 billions!

[Kheg]

It's an interesting theory and a good starts to discuss, agree with your purpose but i've a question now
400 milions are mined, who want to start mining a 1.2b coins ? 1/3 is mined, what community will have a coin like this ?

This is the hurdle that this or any incumbent coin would face in this position.  You see the backlash of the current coin supporters, however losing them and/or causing a second fork of the coin would be detrimental to the coin in name.  As has been said, you'd just be better off starting a whole brand new coin.  Having existing people that support the coin is necessary - without them you'd be fighting an even bigger uphill battle, and again, you'd just be better off abandoning the coin all together and starting from scratch.

The only major thing going for it in this scenario is that it's not a private premine.  That helps a lot, at least in my eyes.  I would think it would in everyone's as well.

To answer your follow up question, ideally I wouldn't put the coin extension past 2 billion coins.  That puts the coin at 20% mined rather than 33%, but again, the higher you put that number the higher the perceived dilution of the current shares that people hold and hence the more resistance to any such plan you'll get from current supporters.

It's a balancing act that gets to be played.  You can't make everybody happy here which is why I said EVERYBODY will need to compromise.

[Kheg]

If you are not going to accept the vote, why you started a vote? There is no option called 5 billions!

Manwe - this thread has turned into an open dialog as to how to save AKC as a whole.  The vote is non-withstanding at this point, I'm sure pretty much everybody can agree.  Harping on the same thing over and over again isn't being constructive to the situation.

The devs are trying to understand the situation better and get a handle on things.  I'm pretty sure they understand your frustration along with everybody else's.  You have to understand that they're probably a bit frustrated right now too.

[Manwe]

If you are not going to accept the vote, why you started a vote? There is no option called 5 billions!

Manwe - this thread has turned into an open dialog as to how to save AKC as a whole.  The vote is non-withstanding at this point, I'm sure pretty much everybody can agree.  Harping on the same thing over and over again isn't being constructive to the situation.

The devs are trying to understand the situation better and get a handle on things.  I'm pretty sure they understand your frustration along with everybody else's.  You have to understand that they're probably a bit frustrated right now too.

OK.

But I just hate they said like, "Oh, you want fast money.", "Oh, you mined a lot, of course you want money."

That is mean.

I swear they will lose us, at least me, if they go it alone to make the max supply to be 10 Billion. In that way, I will use the old wallet with Zero value.

So if only want new users, why not make a new coin directly?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

We need to consider some realistic situations. Re-read Kheg's post I think he has some good fundamentals.

How much are you guys willing to devalue to to make this coin work? 10b, 5b, 2b 1.5b?

How long do you guys think a viable mining time would be to allow us as the development team to gain some interest?

We need to arrange these numbers in a very particular format to do our best to make this coin a real possibility. Any input and theories are CRITICAL at this point.

Kheg, thank you so much for taking the time to express your thoughts in the manner that you did. I hope we aren't pulling you away from anything that is more important at this time as we know how busy you are. But, we definitely love the fact that you are vested in the ideals and the progression of this coin.

We need to figure out something and fast. I can re-launch a poll/vote for different parameters, but we need to have this figured out by 12k block if we want to avoid forking.

[Kheg]

If you are not going to accept the vote, why you started a vote? There is no option called 5 billions!

Manwe - this thread has turned into an open dialog as to how to save AKC as a whole.  The vote is non-withstanding at this point, I'm sure pretty much everybody can agree.  Harping on the same thing over and over again isn't being constructive to the situation.

The devs are trying to understand the situation better and get a handle on things.  I'm pretty sure they understand your frustration along with everybody else's.  You have to understand that they're probably a bit frustrated right now too.

OK.

But I just hate they said like, "Oh, you want fast money.", "Oh, you mined a lot, of course you want money."

That is mean.

I swear they will lose us, at least me, if they go it alone to make the max supply to be 10 Billion. In that way, I will use the old wallet with Zero value.

So if only want new users, why not make a new coin directly?

They don't want only new users.  They want to make the changes FAIR enough to attract new users, but also to keep the existing users happy.

As renfeit asked a few posts up, what newcomer would mine a coin that would have already had 1/3 of its coins already mined in a month? On the surface the answer would be nobody since it looks like the easy money is long gone (yes, I said it - no offense meant).  THIS is what the devs are trying to figure out... how to make THAT work with as little negative impact to the current holders (you) as possible.

Like I said, we are ALL going to have to compromise some if we want to make this coin work for the long term.  Otherwise you'll have spent your time mining something completely worthless anyway.

[Manwe]

If you are not going to accept the vote, why you started a vote? There is no option called 5 billions!

Manwe - this thread has turned into an open dialog as to how to save AKC as a whole.  The vote is non-withstanding at this point, I'm sure pretty much everybody can agree.  Harping on the same thing over and over again isn't being constructive to the situation.

The devs are trying to understand the situation better and get a handle on things.  I'm pretty sure they understand your frustration along with everybody else's.  You have to understand that they're probably a bit frustrated right now too.

OK.

But I just hate they said like, "Oh, you want fast money.", "Oh, you mined a lot, of course you want money."

That is mean.

I swear they will lose us, at least me, if they go it alone to make the max supply to be 10 Billion. In that way, I will use the old wallet with Zero value.

So if only want new users, why not make a new coin directly?

They don't want only new users.  They want to make the changes FAIR enough to attract new users, but also to keep the existing users happy.

As renfeit asked a few posts up, what newcomer would mine a coin that would have already had 1/3 of its coins already mined in a month? On the surface the answer would be nobody since it looks like the easy money is long gone (yes, I said it - no offense meant).  THIS is what the devs are trying to figure out... how to make THAT work with as little negative impact to the current holders (you) as possible.

Like I said, we are ALL going to have to compromise some if we want to make this coin work for the long term.  Otherwise you'll have spent your time mining something completely worthless anyway.

Yes, your suggestion is negotiable.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

[renfeit]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

need to spec that the 24k th halve is 1.1 yet
so first 12k block with 40k reward
second 12k block with 20k reward
third 12k block with 20k/1.1 reward
and so on
until 3.11999 bilions total coin

[Mightymoo]

Anyone interested in buying 1.4mil AKC?

[vdaevski]

Anyone interested in buying 1.4mil AKC?

I can give you 1 satoshi

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Anyone interested in buying 1.4mil AKC?

I can give you 1 satoshi

I got 2 satoshis on it!

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

[vdaevski]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Make the choice, extend or kill the coin!

[Olegcho]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

much better than 10b

[bitcoinpropaganda]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Please let somebody else take care of this coin, you're destroying it. Thanks.

[renfeit]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Please let somebody else take care of this coin, you're destroying it. Thanks.

you are the pump and dump guy if i remember

[compman25]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

That's much better than the current 10 Billion coin plan

[Manwe]

So what now? Wait for another thread?

[cryptohunter]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

much better than 10b

sounds good

[Skinnkavaj]

Max PR better look over this rofl  

[SimkoMiner]

Max is going to hell. MCXNOW -> 0.0008112. This is opportunity to start promoting AKC

[bitcoinpropaganda]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Please let somebody else take care of this coin, you're destroying it. Thanks.

you are the pump and dump guy if i remember

You're an idiot. There's no pump and dump. There's only ppl who makes money and who don't.

If you fail to understand what a joke-coin or protest coin is: You're an idiot.

Still no exchange?: You're an idiot.

You want to compete with bitcoin: You're an idiot.

Bitcoin is barely standing and you want to create a 10 years-shitty-coin! Not one but TEN-FUCKING-YEARS: You're extremely idiot.

You want to devaluate the REAL money that the few supporters invested on this: You're an idiot and a scammer.

[idcweb]

china akc pool

http://akc.520cn.com   fee 2%

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

china akc pool

http://akc.520cn.com   fee 2%

Xie xie 

[idcweb]

china akc pool

http://akc.520cn.com   fee 2%

Xie xie 

Xie xie？你懂中文？Are you Chinese?

[Teveen]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Please let somebody else take care of this coin, you're destroying it. Thanks.

you are the pump and dump guy if i remember

You're an idiot. There's no pump and dump. There's only ppl who makes money and who don't.

If you fail to understand what a joke-coin or protest coin is: You're an idiot.

Still no exchange?: You're an idiot.

You want to compete with bitcoin: You're an idiot.

Bitcoin is barely standing and you want to create a 10 years-shitty-coin! Not one but TEN-FUCKING-YEARS: You're extremely idiot.

You want to devaluate the REAL money that the few supporters invested on this: You're an idiot and a scammer.

Say idiot 20 times out loud. It begins to sound so strange. What a weird word. Doesn't even closely relate to any other word. Strange assortment of spelling. I could google it I suppose but I wonder the origin of the word.
My 2 cents. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

china akc pool

http://akc.520cn.com   fee 2%

Xie xie 

Xie xie？你懂中文？Are you Chinese?

I don't, no. My grandfather was fluent though. I have had a few good conversations with Chinese speaking people in my day, at least enough to remember a couple things

[Manwe]

Alright we have looked the numbers. If we want a 50/50 compromise we can try something like this:

We will update new wallet to drop coins per block down to 20k as original.

We will then implement a new update after first 24k blocks to reduce halving to BLOCK /1.1

This will give us ~3.11999999 bilion coins over ~9.1 years of total mining time.

How do you guys feel about this?

Is this the final decision? So will you open a new thread again?

[renfeit]

So we have over "50" voters.

No one has any interest in expressing an opinion?

And you guys are the only AKC market right now?

We have had a solid critique from maybe 10 people being active.

Please let somebody else take care of this coin, you're destroying it. Thanks.

you are the pump and dump guy if i remember

You're an idiot. There's no pump and dump. There's only ppl who makes money and who don't.

If you fail to understand what a joke-coin or protest coin is: You're an idiot.

Still no exchange?: You're an idiot.

You want to compete with bitcoin: You're an idiot.

Bitcoin is barely standing and you want to create a 10 years-shitty-coin! Not one but TEN-FUCKING-YEARS: You're extremely idiot.

You want to devaluate the REAL money that the few supporters invested on this: You're an idiot and a scammer.

lol man
really impressive

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

After some thought and reviewing the votes. We wanted to make changes that would unite us as a group, not divide us.

We want to support those who have vested their time and energy in this coin, and therefore, we will keep the original parameters.

I am personally sorry to everyone, and I really believed the implementations were going to be an adjustment for the better. The last thing I had intended was to divide the entire community.

We have to remember that this community is fairly small, and everyone's input and support matters greatly.

Thank you everyone, for both the positive and negative feedback. I sincerely hope it only pushes us in the right direction.

-AKCPoolindemcoins

[Amph]

the final decision is a relaunch right?

[renfeit]

new (old) parameters pushed, halve of 2 total coins of 900 milions
remember kgw at block 12k we are at 11k.
have fun with this

selling 6 milions akc

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

No relaunch - everything is going as it is now, everyone will retain coins.

[Manwe]

OK, thank you.
Should I use the old wallet or the new one in this OP?
If I need to use the new one, the OP is still saying 10Billion, will it be revised?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

OK, thank you.
Should I use the old wallet or the new one in this OP?
If I need to use the new one, the OP is still saying 10Billion, will it be revised?

Github is updated, we're relying on the community for wallets as we always have. I will change the main post now as well, also if you guys know people that can help compile wallets get the word out. Source is in original post.

[renfeit]

we are looking for someone able to recompile asap the wallets (my windows environment have some problems with libraries i'm not able to fix)
i want to say now that is a community job to promote this coin in order to get it on an exchange. So i hope you will promote this coin, you will vote on every exchange everyday, you will convince people to use this (maybe to mine this ? or maybe 480 milions premined is too much?)

[sebastien1234]

you should really just remove this post and start a new one, back to 900 million is a good move but you really need to remove the bad press from this thread..

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Because a development community that works to support the miners needs, we are to be ashamed of ourselves?

Olegcho get's his side of the vote and now he's not supporting his own side anymore by selling the coins after he got his way

[sebastien1234]

Because a development community that works to support the miners needs, we are to be ashamed of ourselves?

Olegcho get's his side of the vote and now he's not supporting his own side anymore by selling the coins after he got his way

I'm not saying you should be ashamed, I'm just saying that most comments are negative because of the first decision of 10 billion, it's just bad press from the start

[Olegcho]

My offer is canceled
Donated 1 million to faucet

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

As far as publicity goes, this thread has been read a total of under 2000 times. I think we are the only ones who are reading, just another shaky step in this coins already shaky history.

Remember, honesty and integrity. Transparency is key to both.

[gambino]

Can you make bigger pay from faucet
Faucet Balance 1361960.76073636  AKC
Faucet Paid 2685.56287982  AKC

[rasnetworks]

BOUNTY
MY ENTIRE WALLET AKC -transactions
AaXfZTZePrWJchnVnpvB1YDHYuMPUNTBMU


81104.95745383 AKC


Windows + Mac wallets
or
Exchange that isnt coins-e
__EDIT
Or any other scam exchange

PM ME on completion

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

BOUNTY
MY ENTIRE WALLET AKC -transactions
AaXfZTZePrWJchnVnpvB1YDHYuMPUNTBMU


81104.95745383 AKC


Windows + Mac wallets
or
Exchange that isnt coins-e
__EDIT
Or any other scam exchange

PM ME on completion

+75,000AKC from me

[vdaevski]

Can you make bigger pay from faucet
Faucet Balance 1361960.76073636  AKC
Faucet Paid 2685.56287982  AKC

I will change it now the 1M was donated today

[vdaevski]

The faucet at EarnCryptoCoins will now give from 7.00 to 9.00 AKC per hour

[vdaevski]

My offer is canceled
Donated 1 million to faucet

Thanks for donating to the faucet

[Manwe]

  So let us start! Who has a project to promote AKC, contact me! I don't know your community, but I have AKC, and I swear I won't dump.

[Manwe]

Can you make bigger pay from faucet
Faucet Balance 1361960.76073636  AKC
Faucet Paid 2685.56287982  AKC

I will change it now the 1M was donated today

Of course you need to.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

How many Mac users do we have on here?

[Manwe]

Windows' is the best important.

[vdaevski]

Can you make bigger pay from faucet
Faucet Balance 1361960.76073636  AKC
Faucet Paid 2685.56287982  AKC

I will change it now the 1M was donated today

Of course you need to.

now pays 7 to 9 per hour

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Alright everyone we have been saved!

If you guys want to thank the developer for creating this wallet send him some AKC to this address.

ARpfHUUJeTEdLULdzFpBtyFCx1RmgUJe2L

https://mega.co.nz/#!thJUHKAJ!lP8-l7L-fuqaFWD3OfEJyFThmfIVbKzFTQz1KO4Z25k

[Manwe]

Alright everyone we have been saved!

If you guys want to thank the developer for creating this wallet send him some AKC to this address.

ARpfHUUJeTEdLULdzFpBtyFCx1RmgUJe2L

https://mega.co.nz/#!thJUHKAJ!lP8-l7L-fuqaFWD3OfEJyFThmfIVbKzFTQz1KO4Z25k

I will send him 300K.

So do you continue using this thread, back to the old one, or make a new one?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

That is awesome thank you Manwe that gives him support too.

We will use this thread from here on out. Maybe when we develop a new website and a few games we can relaunch thread post with all the updated goodies.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Everyone enjoying the new logo in the wallets at least?

[Manwe]

I enjoy the old one, but I know it can not be.

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

lol, I know the pain. The struggle is real

[rasnetworks]

Alright everyone we have been saved!

If you guys want to thank the developer for creating this wallet send him some AKC to this address.

ARpfHUUJeTEdLULdzFpBtyFCx1RmgUJe2L

https://mega.co.nz/#!thJUHKAJ!lP8-l7L-fuqaFWD3OfEJyFThmfIVbKzFTQz1KO4Z25k

If he can come up with the mac wallet he can have the 80+k

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

lol ras, it's not quite that easy

mac wallet is coming, but the compiling is only easy in the proper environments

and the mac dev I don't believe has an akc wallet either.

[renfeit]

so good news ?

[renfeit]

Guys
i've updated the first page with the NEW MAC WALLET
https://mega.co.nz/#!VwZDBCqT!4R0Pxtmis5-giVB2JyoFbpwW9ZtcqwQ5Y5mGTTXSudo

and i've changed the logo with a transparent one

I want to remember everyone that in 5 hours kimoto gravity will kick in so
stay tuned and share this thread everywhere people can know about this

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Update wallets everyone !!!!!!!!!!!

We only have ~5 blocks until 12k block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXdyD2Yzls 

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Donations for the Mac wallet dev can go here =)
Donations:
AKC: ARAsN8NdgmK4ZSaPd37Pi85q2Vx35PX2Fo
BTC: 1XCKhb7D4VREBrVRss9nuxQN1GxbJt1zs

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

I think everything looks okay

[renfeit]

KGW kicked in with succes, applause

[rasnetworks]

I have split the bounty between the mac and windows devs instead of trashed or dumpped as stated to AKC lead dev.
This has been made from ARpfHUUJeTEdLULdzFpBtyFCx1RmgUJe2L
Thanks and good luck

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

We thank you for giving back to the community Ras, we will miss you

[renfeit]

So .. nethasharate is 0.01 gh/s
i hope you're happy with your milions that has no value now,
there's no community
applause for everyone
you're an idiot

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Coin code is broken, either relaunch or scrap and judging by the hash rates its time to scrap.

Sorry I couldn't pay off all the debts the original Developer left us with, and fix the broken code.

Let this be a lesson to everyone in the alt community. Do not trust people that "need to remain anonymous" and if the original developers are not willing to support their own coin then stay away, they are most likely SCAMMERS

[Kheg]

Coin code is broken, either relaunch or scrap and judging by the hash rates its time to scrap.

Sorry I couldn't pay off all the debts the original Developer left us with, and fix the broken code.

Let this be a lesson to everyone in the alt community. Do not trust people that "need to remain anonymous" and if the original developers are not willing to support their own coin then stay away, they are most likely SCAMMERS

For what it's worth, PoolMineWith.Us is STILL on the ORIGINAL AKC wallet code. 

And it looks like we always will be.

[unhooked]

I have about 199K of AKC that I am looking to sell. PM me

[juxsa]

what happened to the online wallet? http://antikeisercoin.com/OnlineWallet/  Looks like my 1.1 million AKC has been lost cause the site is down

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

Looks like original dev stopped paying for the website or is tampering with it. I did tell everyone to move away from the online wallet just for this reason.

[NJRiot]

Coin code is broken, either relaunch or scrap and judging by the hash rates its time to scrap.

Sorry I couldn't pay off all the debts the original Developer left us with, and fix the broken code.

Let this be a lesson to everyone in the alt community. Do not trust people that "need to remain anonymous" and if the original developers are not willing to support their own coin then stay away, they are most likely SCAMMERS

I agree with AKC ... original dev left for many reasons, one being code was fucked in several locations!
after making several decisions and changes AKC still couldn't keep the coin sustainable for a profitable duration!
could or can it be fixed? of course it can, but given the coins shelf life the community voted on its not worth fixing AT ALL!
lesson learned ... Its 100 times easier to just launch a new coin than to repair a broken one!
I thank all the dev team who spent days on end starring at code and making changes,
donating there hard earned/mined coins to causes which bennifited AKCoin ... it was a valiant effort!
thank you as well to the community members who pitched in and supported the idea of increasing coins to continue the chain.
considering the situation where original dev had parameters set to be fully mined out in 60 days "idiot".
But your efforts where noted and very appreciated!
just not worth the time anymore considering the community was far to hostile and full of miners who just didn't understand the longevity concept.
I myself mined millions of AKC coins so I feel all your pain!
but fully support AKC and his decision to stop work atm!
I recommend NO RELAUNCH to devs and to just scrap this project ....
community was more hostile than it was supportive!
good luck to you all and thank you again to all who pitched in trying to keep this coin alive.
god bless and happy mining!

NJRiot

[Manwe]

Do you mean the original dev is not sick at all? But what can he scam?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

What he already took from us, time and effort. Also he left a couple bounties unpaid.

[Manwe]

But he got nothing, this is what I don't understand.

[narcicrv]

I think the way to make a valious coin is short emission, no more than 500 million, so 900 Million is more than enough.

I have a little problem, i executed the new qt and was ok, but later i exe by error the old qt, and now when i exe the new qt it seems that not sync dispite i´ve created the akc.conf, hope that finally sync.


Nothing, don´t sync, it dosen´t work, i don´t know why, i´ve tried all that i know, delete all except wallet and sync again from the begining, and try and sync old blocks, but at last, finally, didn´t sync. Some help? please.

[bethy08]

One month and still no exchange.  Original Dev gone.  New Dev, pay the fee to get this coin on exchange or don't bother wasting our time anymore.  This coin will never get enough votes to get on any exchange without buying the votes.  You really that dumb?  Tired of morons wasting my valuable fking time.  Come on people, use your fking heads.  The world can't be full of this many stupid people, is it?

[Anti-Keiser-Coin]

One month and still no exchange.  Original Dev gone.  New Dev, pay the fee to get this coin on exchange or don't bother wasting our time anymore.  This coin will never get enough votes to get on any exchange without buying the votes.  You really that dumb?  Tired of morons wasting my valuable fking time.  Come on people, use your fking heads.  The world can't be full of this many stupid people, is it?

The code is broken, the coin is not halving, this coin is dead.