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October 20, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
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Not harmed is a bit exaggerated, considering the pool has been completely unstable for the past 16 hours or so, and I had two servers get nullrouted (possibly suspended, waiting on hetzner to reply to the explanation ticket).
DNS was directed to btcguild only for 30 minutes.

I think that those next 16 hours were because attacker realized that he will not be able to mine anymore, so why not kill bitcoin and turn off the light while he leaves.

I think that we need to work together to make a ddos proof pool.

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October 20, 2011, 03:30:24 PM
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Well I see the reasoning in what slush did, though not going to speculate if it was right or wrong thing to do.

And I think there is a little glitch ... watching slush's pool thread, I don't remember him telling us - miners - to switch to new ip or restart miners. That's what I believe he always did and what triggered the DDoS target switch.
(though i may be wrong)

This actually gets me to an idea how one may find who's the attacker. But i'm not going to share it public atm. Smiley

TTL could've been issue for some zombies but certainly not all (expecting them being all over the damn globe).
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October 20, 2011, 03:32:29 PM
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Anyone who supports Slush's attack on BTCG is wrong.....

Actually this wasn't an attack, just a test. I didn't want to hurt btcguild and I was ready to switch DNS back asap in case of any troubles.

Semantics.....

Someone is firing a machine gun at you and the bullets are piercing and damaging you, so you knowingly turn the firing gun onto to someone else to see if they bleed too ?
....because you THOUGHT they might be bullet proof ? Or the attacker would remove his finger from the trigger once focused on someone else ?
Let's see THAT argument stand up in a court of law.

Pretty bad analogy.  Slush is not in control of the gun, he is using a shield and analyzing the bullets bouncing off of it.  

This whole thing got pretty grey when some pools started allowing botnets on board.  I am not faulting them, they have very little choice.  But once that line was crossed, pools that down allow them and are being attacked at least have the right to try to figure out what is going on.  



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October 20, 2011, 03:40:57 PM
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This whole thing got pretty grey when some pools started allowing botnets on board.  I am not faulting them, they have very little choice.  But once that line was crossed, pools that down allow them and are being attacked at least have the right to try to figure out what is going on. 

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October 20, 2011, 03:44:51 PM
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That kind of political maneuvering: playing with corruption, dealing with terrorists for individual gain is WHY Europe is dying...no discipline or morale compass.  See, paying a mobster to attack other competitive pools is what BTCGuild did to justify a the pool's Vulture'ing of Slush and Deepbit's members.  It is collusion with mobsters; just the very same reason why Italy's government is ripe with corruption. 

My opinion: The pool operator and miners that think "he sacrificed his honor (worth $1000) to prevent mobsters from hurting us, and thus targeting our fellow miners in the other big (for now) pools"  are corrupt scumbags.  Everyone at BTCGuild is paying the $1000! It is just passed along in higher fees and hidden costs (4%?) to the members...just like taxing businesses.  It is a short sighted move, cause YOU ALL paid to cause instability in the btc community, financed a criminal enterprises that feeds of extortion and will target BTCGuild again when they are the only big pool to hit.

I think BTCGuild is not only involved, but partnered in the DDOS attacks cause: He already admitted it.  Shocked HE paid $1000 to have attackers hit his top competitors and is passing the cost on his members...  A scumbag  would say "I paid $1000 for protection," however,  prosecution would say "you took part in a extortion racket to target your competitors and can't be trusted."

Your corrupt (in bed with mobster) and inefficient pool (8% less than Eligius) which eventually will be cleared by the MARKET in the long term...
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October 20, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
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Your corrupt (in bed with mobster) and inefficient pool (8% less than Eligius) which eventually will be cleared by the MARKET in the long term...
Yes, but Luke's pool is also protected by God.....hence the $1,000 savings in protection fees & charges.
That also might explain the 8% increase in luck as well. <belive in God = luck * 1.08>

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October 20, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
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That kind of political maneuvering: playing with corruption, dealing with terrorists for individual gain is WHY Europe is dying...no discipline or morale compass.  See, paying a mobster to attack other competitive pools is what BTCGuild did to justify a the pool's Vulture'ing of Slush and Deepbit's members.  It is collusion with mobsters; just the very same reason why Italy's government is ripe with corruption.  

I think BTCGuild is not only involved, but partnered in the DDOS attacks cause: He already admitted it.  Shocked HE paid $1000 to have attackers hit his top competitors and is passing the cost on his members...  A scumbag  would say "I paid $1000 for protection," however,  prosecution would say "you took part in a extortion racket to target your competitors and can't be trusted."

Your corrupt (in bed with mobster) and inefficient pool (8% less than Eligius) which eventually will be cleared by the MARKET in the long term...
Are you blind or just stupid?  I didn't pay anybody to attack anything, or for protection.  I had paid over $1,000 getting dedicated servers leased, some of which had setup fees, all of which are paid up front on the first month.  Then we got hit and I was basically either going to lose all the money I had invested thus far, or let them mine on my pool in order to keep my pool online -at all-.  I cut those ties a month later when I had ISPs which would not suspend my service if I was attacked again.  And guess what, we WERE attacked again, immediately after that.

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October 20, 2011, 04:01:22 PM
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You made a deal to recover your investment of $1000, the other hardware could be paid up and salvaged so i didn't consider that loss. So, what was the benefit to the attackers worth your reconsideration of loosing $1000?  Yes, I am blind...just not corrupt..
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October 20, 2011, 04:04:28 PM
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You made a deal to recover your investment of $1000.  Yes, I am blind...
Is English your first language ? did you read his post ? Google Translation much ?

Recover ? Deal ?
Do those words mean something different where you are from ?

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October 20, 2011, 04:06:26 PM
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October 20, 2011, 04:09:12 PM
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I think I found the problem with your post. I edited it to reflect what you have added to this thread....please see below:

That kind of political maneuvering: playing with corruption, dealing with terrorists for individual gain is WHY Europe is dying...no discipline or morale compass.  See, paying a mobster to attack other competitive pools is what BTCGuild did to justify a the pool's Vulture'ing of Slush and Deepbit's members.  It is collusion with mobsters; just the very same reason why Italy's government is ripe with corruption.  

My opinion: The pool operator and miners that think "he sacrificed his honor (worth $1000) to prevent mobsters from hurting us, and thus targeting our fellow miners in the other big (for now) pools"  are corrupt scumbags.  Everyone at BTCGuild is paying the $1000! It is just passed along in higher fees and hidden costs (4%?) to the members...just like taxing businesses.  It is a short sighted move, cause YOU ALL paid to cause instability in the btc community, financed a criminal enterprises that feeds of extortion and will target BTCGuild again when they are the only big pool to hit.


I think BTCGuild is not only involved, but partnered in the DDOS attacks cause: He already admitted it.  Shocked HE paid $1000 to have attackers hit his top competitors and is passing the cost on his members...  A scumbag  would say "I paid $1000 for protection," however,  prosecution would say "you took part in a extortion racket to target your competitors and can't be trusted."

Your corrupt (in bed with mobster) and inefficient pool (8% less than Eligius) which eventually will be cleared by the MARKET in the long term...

...unfortunately, 'YOU THINKING' is about the only fact above, but even then, I can't even be sure about that  Roll Eyes

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October 20, 2011, 04:11:28 PM
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You made a deal to recover your investment of $1000.  Yes, I am blind...
Is English your first language ? did you read his post ? Google Translation much ?

Recover ? Deal ?
Do those words mean something different where you are from ?

English is my first language, don't you understand my argument?  BTW, how would you explain in English investing in an operation to produce a profit which allows you to recover your initial investment and thus free up that capitol to reinvest in the same or another operation?  Only rule, you can not use recover or deal in the explanation...

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October 20, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
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YOur argument goes like this:
Eleu paid for a better infrastructure to defend against DDOS attacks.

Others didnt. So Eleu is responsible for attacks against those who didnt.



Doesnt work for me. Sorry.
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October 20, 2011, 04:15:56 PM
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YOur argument goes like this:
Eleu paid for a better infrastructure to defend against DDOS attacks.

Others didnt. So Eleu is responsible for attacks against those who didnt.



Doesnt work for me. Sorry.

"Eleu paid for a better infrastructure to defend against DDOS attacks." That argument is Eleu's not mine.  Yeah, its weak...  giving up on the condemnation....  chill out fanboys...

He made a deal with the devil...don't lie...but i may have gone overboard on my accusations...  srry Eleu
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October 20, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
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Anyone who supports Slush's attack on BTCG is wrong.....

Actually this wasn't an attack, just a test. I didn't want to hurt btcguild and I was ready to switch DNS back asap in case of any troubles.

Semantics.....

Someone is firing a machine gun at you and the bullets are piercing and damaging you, so you knowingly turn the firing gun onto to someone else to see if they bleed too ?
....because you THOUGHT they might be bullet proof ? Or the attacker would remove his finger from the trigger once focused on someone else ?
Let's see THAT argument stand up in a court of law.

  Its only semantics if you're 1. completely retarded. 2. In with the botnet. 3. Have no fucking understanding of how dnsing works and the FACT, that has been pointed out that the BOTNET OP was ACTIVELY updating IP's to keep his attacks exactly where he wanted them!!!!!

  To the rest of it, thats for those involved to make amends, argue, hug, or whatever. Its no one heres god damn place to point and judge any of the parties here who are all VICTEMS no matter which way you slice the 'semantics' pie......

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October 20, 2011, 04:21:46 PM
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Anyone who supports Slush's attack on BTCG is wrong.....

Actually this wasn't an attack, just a test. I didn't want to hurt btcguild and I was ready to switch DNS back asap in case of any troubles.

Semantics.....

Someone is firing a machine gun at you and the bullets are piercing and damaging you, so you knowingly turn the firing gun onto to someone else to see if they bleed too ?
....because you THOUGHT they might be bullet proof ? Or the attacker would remove his finger from the trigger once focused on someone else ?
Let's see THAT argument stand up in a court of law.

  Its only semantics if you're 1. completely retarded. 2. In with the botnet. 3. Have no fucking understanding of how dnsing works and the FACT, that has been pointed out that the BOTNET OP was ACTIVELY updating IP's to keep his attacks exactly where he wanted them!!!!!

  To the rest of it, thats for those involved to make amends, argue, hug, or whatever. Its no one heres god damn place to point and judge any of the parties here who are all VICTEMS no matter which way you slice the 'semantics' pie......

Oh, we are all victims?  No, just the ones who know nothing of the deal and supported the corruption...  where is the personal responsibility...

I'll give up cause: you woke up in the end and you are still standing...just 92% less results of what i can get by taking my 50 mhs to Eligius! hala!
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October 20, 2011, 04:22:34 PM
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YOur argument goes like this:
Eleu paid for a better infrastructure to defend against DDOS attacks.

Others didnt. So Eleu is responsible for attacks against those who didnt.



Doesnt work for me. Sorry.

No, infrastructure didn't help defend against ANY attacks.  I hoped it would, it did not, otherwise we wouldn't have gone down for 3 days in July when I broke the deal I made to stay online.  All my extra spending did was ensure when the attacks ended my servers would come back up.

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October 20, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
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That argument is Eleu's not mine.  Yeah, its weak...  giving up on the condemnation....  chill out fanboys...
It's not that we are fanboys, or trying to attack YOU personally, but you are taking an honest situation where a Pool owner chose the TEMPORARY lesser of 2 evils and allowed the use of his pool (by those even he deemed unfit), to allow it to operate as normal until another solution could be found.....AS HE HAS STATED ABOVE.

He never PAID MOBSTERS. He was never IN BED WITH MOBSTERS.
His temporary immunity to such attacks in no way, shape or form means that He oversaw attacks against any other pools.
Where does this all come from ?

Is it Mobster mentality on the part of the Botnet operator ? YES.

If other pool owners could afford ISPs that didn't kick their asses 'out of Dodge' at the first sign of a Botnet attack, or Botnet connection, perhaps this wouldn't be a problem.

Ele let THEM connect.....till he could safely say NO and afford the pool a proper ISP that would stand behind his attempt to ward off future Botnet threats without the risk of account suspension.

CASE CLOSED.

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October 20, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
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That argument is Eleu's not mine.  Yeah, its weak...  giving up on the condemnation....  chill out fanboys...
It's not that we are fanboys, or trying to attack YOU personally, but you are taking an honest situation where a Pool owner chose the TEMPORARY lesser of 2 evils and allowed the use of his pool (by those even he deemed unfit), to allow it to operate as normal until another solution could be found.....AS HE HAS STATED ABOVE.

He never PAID MOBSTERS. He was never IN BED WITH MOBSTERS.
His temporary immunity to such attacks in no way, shape or form means that He oversaw attacks against any other pools.
Where does this all come from ?

Is it Mobster mentality on the part of the Botnet operator ? YES.

If other pool owners could afford ISPs that didn't kick their asses 'out of Dodge' at the first sign of a Botnet attack, or Botnet connection, perhaps this wouldn't be a problem.

Ele let THEM connect.....till he could safely say NO and afford the pool a proper ISP that would stand behind his attempt to ward off future Botnet threats without the risk of account suspension.

CASE CLOSED.

Good point, we cool!
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October 20, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
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YOur argument goes like this:
Eleu paid for a better infrastructure to defend against DDOS attacks.

Others didnt. So Eleu is responsible for attacks against those who didnt.



Doesnt work for me. Sorry.

No, infrastructure didn't help defend against ANY attacks.  I hoped it would, it did not, otherwise we wouldn't have gone down for 3 days in July when I broke the deal I made to stay online.  All my extra spending did was ensure when the attacks ended my servers would come back up.

ok, you did the right thing...  I'll defer to your expertise...  "Slush" must be drunk again...  Kiss
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