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October 18, 2018, 07:14:02 AM
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To save money on a long-term period, you should make a solid investment. Investment in crypto has a lot of potential. Even during a bearish trend, don't hurry to sell crypto. This is just the phase of corrections which is perfect for holding. Invest now and get profits when the market finally stabilizes.
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October 18, 2018, 07:17:18 AM
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If you want to save your money all you have to do is to invest and make your own bank account so that you have a money that can use in the future.

Yes probably it is a good way. But we can say that investment is far from saving. If you invest you wanted your koney to be generated. And if you save you just wanted to set aside a money then if you need it, you will have it. But then it would be effective that if you invest and save at the same time.
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October 18, 2018, 07:34:13 AM
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How to save money on a long-term period or an essay on black metal.
       This is the translation of my original article. The original is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4452770.0

I apologize for my English. This is not my native language and I have to use an automatic translator. But I think that you will understand my main thoughts.

Hello friends! Bitcoin is cool. I am an enthusiast of bitcoin and I hope for his growth. But periodically, all holders have to face problems. In this topic, I would like to share with you my idea (and experience) on how to keep the constant value of your money (and even multiply it by a percentage higher than inflation) over the long term. What do I mean by long-term? Period of time in the range from six months to several years and even up to tens of years. The latter is also possible (I think so), although, personally for me it is more of a theoretical interest.
Why is this relevant and how is it related to the cryptoworld? I think that you already guessed). It's wonderful to be a holder and a tractor) crypts on bull (and, especially, a long bull market), but from time to time come to us very different times. Yes, from time to time long bear markets come to us. As an exemplary example of such a market, you can cite the year 2014, when almost the whole year bitkoyn, and with it the rest of the crypt, basically fell.
       I foresee a similar scenario in the not-too-distant future; of course, after the cue ball is once again otzemunitsya (well, if it really happens).
       So, suppose that you are an investor with some margin of crypt. Let's say that you were able to correctly anticipate all the roller coaster growth and the beginning of the bearish crypt market. There are signs that this is serious and for a long time. You'll have to wait for turbulent times in fiat or its steeblechkan equivalents.
But!:
Will it be right to keep money in fiat on a long-term basis? (by default, we mean that the fall will be indefinitely - long, from six months to several years - the bitcoat cycles are stretched).
     Finite money for long-term storage has many drawbacks. Firstly, whatever they say, and Fiat - it's just pieces of paper and figures in the database (in the case of a non-cashier), not protected against rampant inflation (which, by the way, is very different from officially stated). Nobody and nothing can prevent the state from printing these pieces of paper and tsiferok as it deems necessary. A real example before our eyes is the depreciation of the ruble against the dollar in 2015 +/- 2 times and the subsequent price increase. In my opinion, only solid material assets (or bitkoyn can protect you from such devaluations, but it, as we agreed, in this case is in the hands of bears). Below I'll talk about this in more detail, and now a little about how I came to the conclusion about the effectiveness of saving funds in black metal. I came to this idea spontaneously - intuitively.
    In 2014, I thought about building a house with a garage, more precisely, first about the general extended foundation for them. For these purposes, I purchased a sufficient number of metal fittings. I bought with a decent amount of this excess, as I kept in mind another building object. After the construction of the foundation, the majority of the reinforcement remained, however, and the construction season was crumbling. For a while I forgot about my metal. He was lying on my plot in front of the future garage with a huge heap (tied up). I remembered about the valve only in 2015 after the devaluation of the ruble. And I was pleasantly surprised at the preservation of the value of my money))). I tried to test the remaining metal. After the announcement on Avito, several real sellers responded at once, which pleased me pleasantly. They were ready "right now" to buy up all of my armature.
Although the price I put even higher than the market ... it's by the way, eloquently speaks about the liquidity of black metal. This gave me serious food for thought and I ... changed my mind about selling, and used metal for construction on another of my real estate properties. But the very idea of ​​keeping the value in black metal, as they say, has deeply sunk into my soul. I realized that in this capacity, black metal, perhaps, would plug the belt and gold and real estate and, even more so, cash (there were crypto accumulations at the time, but no one knew how long this "exhausting flat" would last) . Before the next crisis in the crypt (the current one I do not consider a crisis), I plan to decently recoup with black metal. Most likely in the form of reinforcement, it can be profile and round pipes, most running sizes)
      And now let's compare in order the black metal as a means of preserving value with cash, gold, real estate and, for example, antiques).
      1.) Black metal and cash
1. "Internal Value" (hereinafter referred to as the consumer value). Cash has no intrinsic value; they are unable to perform functions other than exchange (for other money, assets or goods). That is, theoretically they can depreciate completely (a fantastic scenario, but nevertheless). Black metal can always be used for its intended purpose in construction.
2. Stability of value on the long-term. In the long term, Fiat is gradually depreciating, black metal is not. It, of course, can rust, but we mean responsible dry storage indoors. The joke is that my armature was lying open for several years. It is a bit rusted, but no one pays any attention to it, the cost is preserved).

3. Compactness
Black metal is not as compact as various forms of fiat money, but it is not necessarily seen as a drawback. But it's not so easy to steal it). Compare that it's easier to steal: a bundle of banknotes (crack non-cash money) or a ton of black metal))).

2.) Black metal and gold.
Gold has many of its forms, each of which is not very convenient for long-term storage:
Gold bars (hemorrhoids with banks, registration, difficulties in selling back, state monopoly and seller bank, unfair prices for you.) If you store gold in a bank, you pay decently for storing your gold, as a result your savings melt)
- Investment coins. Again, you will trade with the bank in a way that is not profitable for you, because you are in unequal relations with it.
- Jewelry. The problem with the sale. There is no uniformity, each product is unique. A substantial part of the price contains the work of a jeweler, which your buyer can evaluate.
- Various forms of non-material gold ("paper gold", assets tied to gold, various derivatives on / from it) Intangibles here are the main minus.
Gold loses to black metal in practical use. In the regulation and limitations of its turnover. In too great a variety of forms and the absence of rigid unification (which could have a positive effect on liquidity)

3.) Black metal and real estate
Real estate loses to black metal:
1. The need to register transactions in a specially created for this purpose state institution
2. Real estate objects are too diverse and not uniform, which can make their sale more difficult. Each property is unique in its own way.
3. Black metal has a "volume flexibility". You can buy a little more or a little less in a fairly large range. The real estate object needs to either buy in its entirety or not buy at all ("take what is given")
4. Black metal is mobile)
5. Buying a property you "buy" and neighbors and infrastructure that may wish for the best and with what (and with whom) you have to put up. With black metal, this is not necessary.

4.) Black metal and antiques
Antiques can be uncomfortable for a novice investor. In it it is necessary to understand. It takes years to develop competence. This is a separate occupation. Again, internal heterogeneity and a huge variety of antiques can affect liquidity. In regions and small towns this direction may be undeveloped (and most likely not developed). The practical importance of black metal is much higher than that of antiques. I think that in a crisis this is manifested more strongly.
 So, I briefly outlined the prospects for investing in ferrous metal. We can say that this is one of the ideal instruments that hedge the risks of crypto currency. But does black metal have drawbacks? Unfortunately - yes, more precisely, I would say, features. More precisely, I see only one feature - a disadvantage. For a resident of a city, especially a large one, owning an asset such as ferrous metal may not be very convenient). All the same, you need a garage, or some kind of storage space on the property rights or opportunities for free access. Friends, that's all. Write how you wait for the bearish long-term markets)

             09/09/2018
Many people who comment on my topic, do not read my arguments at all. And do not know what it's written about. I am writing about the preservation of funds from depreciation during the BEAR PERIOD in the bitokoin market. Of course, when the bull will begin and the currency will begin to grow, there is no longer any need to keep funds in black metal.
   The people write nonsense about the fact that you need to put money in the bank, that you need to cut unnecessary costs and so on. This all has nothing to do with the subject of  topic. The desire to put money in the bank to save the cost of their money - for me this is a sign of low intelligence.

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It is very hard to save money because we need to have discipline in ourselves and its very hard to do that. Saving is not easy also because we need to sacrifice things like we stop doing the things we used to do and we need to cut off the things are very costly to us. Sacrificing is difficult to do but if you want to save more you need to do this.
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October 18, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
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So its metal all over again I guess. Yes off course metals are the best investment to this date and in that we know very well that Gold, Silver, Platinum etc. Now I believe that with the time these metals are getting rare metals as well and thus getting more valuable to date. This year is big boom for the Gold and collectors of it are already enjoying like 6-7% hikes in the gold.
However with the time, there are more options now, like real estate where lands are getting more attention now and they should be invested very often we have enough money.
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October 18, 2018, 08:58:59 AM
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I don't think that black metals are good for saving money in a long-term period. Their storage and security costs are too high to save near that value over time.
I think they are good materials only if you want use them in infrastructure, otherwise they will taking space in storeroom without point.

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October 18, 2018, 09:06:47 AM
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I would save a minimum of 20% percent of your income for a rainy day fund. Aim to have 3 months worth of expenses saved up incase anything were to happen. As for retirement, it would depend on how many years you have left before you want to retire.
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October 18, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
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Oh, I have some other vision of the situation. As soon as I believe that the cryptocurrencies will live for long. I am going to invest in the most promising alts and wait for their growth for 1-3 years.
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October 19, 2018, 09:47:17 AM
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you just need to create an investment and keep the funds intact, and try to extract them exclusively in other ways or live on interest
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October 19, 2018, 10:18:47 AM
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You can fix your weekly expenses to save money. Fixing a weekly spend will help you avoid spending too much on your budget, and you'll be able to balance your budget right next week if you miss too much this week. This is the best way to save money so you do not affect your monthly savings and help you avoid debt problems due to excessive spending. And you should Limit, give up bad habits. Smoking, drinking, beer, or fun bar, shopping, ... are the things that often cost you a small amount. Try to give up to make better use of money, save money, and better protect your health.
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October 19, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
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when you make a long-term investment you must prepare your patience and also your mentality because imagine if your case goes in and invests when the price of bitcoin is $20k and currently the price of bitcoin is $6k, I am sure you will feel very depressed because you have lost so far when you invest you have to wait for the right moment when prices start falling, don't invest when prices are high.
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October 19, 2018, 10:58:17 AM
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I remember a rule 60/20/20 . But it depends on your MONTHLY INCOME. With 60% of it you can cover your needs. Try to save 20% in your bank account and with the next twenty percent invest in not so risky assets such as gold, silver etc.
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October 19, 2018, 12:35:57 PM
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just wait. and follow. invest in the right place. know the technical details to believe the future promises.
I think they are the basic rules.
personal preferences.
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October 19, 2018, 12:49:17 PM
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personally i am prefer to invest my money on real eatate or property.although its need much money enough, but its return could reach 20% in a year with less risk.i think no investment platform did like property.
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October 19, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
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personally i am prefer to invest my money on real eatate or property.although its need much money enough, but its return could reach 20% in a year with less risk.i think no investment platform did like property.
real investment, like land is needed to be a counterweight before we invest in crypto. in the psychological sense. real property investment and definitely profit, so we will be more calm to hold in the long term in investing in crypto

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October 19, 2018, 01:08:23 PM
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when you make a long-term investment you must prepare your patience and also your mentality because imagine if your case goes in and invests when the price of bitcoin is $20k and currently the price of bitcoin is $6k, I am sure you will feel very depressed because you have lost so far when you invest you have to wait for the right moment when prices start falling, don't invest when prices are high.
Yes, it's one of the things that really needs attention. Patience will determine whether we can deal with all the conditions and situations that exist. Basically a long-term investment must definitely go through various difficult things. Now this is the reason why patience and emotional control can determine different outcomes. When we are more patient, we can think about being able to reach and make the best decisions.
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October 19, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
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personally i am prefer to invest my money on real eatate or property.although its need much money enough, but its return could reach 20% in a year with less risk.i think no investment platform did like property.
real investment, like land is needed to be a counterweight before we invest in crypto. in the psychological sense. real property investment and definitely profit, so we will be more calm to hold in the long term in investing in crypto
by buying land as our investment portofolio, our emotion mental and psychology would not disturbed.its really give us comfortable.

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October 19, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
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If you want to save money on a long-term period then have to do an investment in bitcoin. You can do both the things in one investment, means you can do savings as well as you can make a profit from it.
Investing is not the same as saving, do not confuse the two, saving is done in a currency that is more stable and that does not change its value very rapidly like fiat, investment is done in order to multiply the money that you currently have, bitcoin is a very good example of an investment, however you cannot really invest until you save which is why many people around the world do not have any investments since they do not save.

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October 19, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
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I think to save money in the long run and also to get a profit is by investing, but in investing has a risk and with that you have to choose a solid investment. And another option, if you feel afraid of the risk, you can keep it in the bank.

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October 19, 2018, 05:18:15 PM
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gold is still the best asset at this time with passive value growth. I allocate less than half of my savings for living needs, the rest I set for the purchase of increasingly scarce assets, including gold, land and housing. Because I am also still active as a trader, crypto active asset allocation is also quite large, I still have to balance between savings, active stock and assets as much as possible because everything is very potential in accordance with existing needs.
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