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March 06, 2019, 02:14:29 AM
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this thread is for yiimp project, not a support thread for all the sites using it
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first of all - thanx for your open source projects which helps miners all around the world.


im asking just couple minutes of your time to help us with very hot dispute between me and one yiimp-pool owner. today we were swearing about simple things but cant get along. 

1. my opinion is that yiimp pool just helps miners less dependent on luck. and actually pool with 1000 workers is finding new block exactly like 1000 the same solo miner. and the only difference between them - the accounting system of distribution of reward based on submitting shares. and the only purpose of shares - allow to calculate the real hashrate of worker and pay him appropriate reward.

2. my friend pool owner argues that pool is splitting the work between workers to find new block. and that the pools paying per shares because shares - is the parts of work which workers doing for pool. he told me that pool can split all possible nonce values to divide the work between miners. and that share submitted to pool is a proof of such completed work. then pool gives the miner new work.

after many hour of discussion my arguments completely run out. PLEASE help us to dot the Is!

p.s. sorry for bad english. hope you can understand my explanation
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March 06, 2019, 07:49:12 AM
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this thread is for yiimp project, not a support thread for all the sites using it
HI!

first of all - thanx for your open source projects which helps miners all around the world.


im asking just couple minutes of your time to help us with very hot dispute between me and one yiimp-pool owner. today we were swearing about simple things but cant get along. 

1. my opinion is that yiimp pool just helps miners less dependent on luck. and actually pool with 1000 workers is finding new block exactly like 1000 the same solo miner. and the only difference between them - the accounting system of distribution of reward based on submitting shares. and the only purpose of shares - allow to calculate the real hasrate of worker and pay him appropriate reward.

2. my friend pool owner argues that pool is splitting the work between workers to find new block. and that the pools paying per shares because shares - is the parts of work which workers doing for pool. he told me that pool can split all possible nonce values to divide the work between miners. and that share submitted to pool is a proof of such completed work. then pool gives the miner new work.

after many hour of discussion my arguments completely run out. PLEASE help us to dot the Is!

p.s. sorry for bad english. hope you can understand my explanation


pools give miners less variance on income, but "luck" doesn't change, and payments are, in the long run, slightly reduced because of pool fees.
both your points 1 and 2 are true.

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March 06, 2019, 10:21:39 AM
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pools give miners less variance on income, but "luck" doesn't change, and payments are, in the long run, slightly reduced because of pool fees.
both your points 1 and 2 are true.
no. it cant be both true. as you can see, im asking about pool`s code logic. specially to avoid such answers i was trying to write in pm @Epsylon3. but i have 0 Merit at this forum and cant do that. so im asking the pool developer here in this thread.   
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March 06, 2019, 10:29:29 AM
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pools give miners less variance on income, but "luck" doesn't change, and payments are, in the long run, slightly reduced because of pool fees.
both your points 1 and 2 are true.
no. it cant be both true. as you can see, im asking about pool`s code logic. specially to avoid such answers i was trying to write in pm @Epsylon3. but i have 0 Merit at this forum and cant do that. so im asking the pool developer here in this thread.   

I don't see why not, please explain.

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March 06, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
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pools give miners less variance on income, but "luck" doesn't change, and payments are, in the long run, slightly reduced because of pool fees.
both your points 1 and 2 are true.
no. it cant be both true. as you can see, im asking about pool`s code logic. specially to avoid such answers i was trying to write in pm @Epsylon3. but i have 0 Merit at this forum and cant do that. so im asking the pool developer here in this thread.   

I don't see why not, please explain.

because question was not about luck. question was about can pool devide work of finding new block to parallelize calculations between workers or not? or they all just mining like solo miners but on one pools wallet and dividing only rewards?
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March 06, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
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pools give miners less variance on income, but "luck" doesn't change, and payments are, in the long run, slightly reduced because of pool fees.
both your points 1 and 2 are true.
no. it cant be both true. as you can see, im asking about pool`s code logic. specially to avoid such answers i was trying to write in pm @Epsylon3. but i have 0 Merit at this forum and cant do that. so im asking the pool developer here in this thread.   

I don't see why not, please explain.

because question was not about luck. question was about can pool devide work of finding new block to parallelize calculations between workers or not? or they all just mining like solo miners but on one pools wallet and dividing only rewards?

it's the same thing.
miners all mine for a valid block, like they are solo mining.
but they submit additional, lower difficulty "shares" to get their part of the profit when someone finds a block on that pool.
the pool gives each worker a part of the space of possible solutions (not just a nonce range).

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March 06, 2019, 11:23:01 AM
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the pool gives each worker a part of the space of possible solutions (not just a nonce range).
do you see this in the source code of yiimp pool? i cant find it.
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March 06, 2019, 11:35:02 AM
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the pool gives each worker a part of the space of possible solutions (not just a nonce range).
do you see this in the source code of yiimp pool? i cant find it.

that's how stratum works: it gives the miner work to do, including all the stuff that must be put into the block header, to be hashed.
the miner doesn't connect to a coin daemon, so all the info must come from the pool thru stratum.
look for more info about stratum, extranonce (1 e 2), merkleroot, the block header in general.

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March 06, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
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that's how stratum works: it gives the miner work to do, including all the stuff that must be put into the block header, to be hashed.
the miner doesn't connect to a coin daemon, so all the info must come from the pool thru stratum.
look for more info about stratum, extranonce (1 e 2), merkleroot, the block header in general.
im already knew all of this couple of years ago. thats why im asking coder/pool developer how this works on pool side. my question here was addressed to Tanguy Pruvot. becouse i cant send private message to him.
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