[GOX] Crime Scene Investigation, Case #MG744

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There is no possibility they used customer funds to pay employees first. 

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[Zeta0S]

There is no possibility they used customer funds to pay employees first. 

Thats possible, or they pay mr Pawczyński whit it.

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New mtgox BTC movements on coinsight, some 70 000 BTC were moved.


http://www.coinsight.org/mtgox.html

[Armis]

Just to throw a spanner in the works - is there a possibility that these active coins being tracked were used for staff payments and/or executive bonuses?

I could understand staff entitlements being handed over to a separate entity that was created by or related to Gox such as an employee fund. I'm not sure what staff entitlement protection laws are like in Japan (perhaps someone can elaborate on that) but if this is the case it would explain why such funds are not included as a Gox asset.

In addition to shielding funds from bankruptcy procedures it might also serve as an excellent means of ensuring the silence of ex-employees who don't want to risk the loss of their entitlements.

Thoughts?

entirely possible,

I'm told, one of the primary reasons Mark vehemently defends his employee more than the funds trusted in his care is because many of them know more that they think, and some of them were saying much more than he would wanted.

who are the employees there are many video shots of different people each should be interviewed

New mtgox BTC movements on coinsight, some 70 000 BTC were moved.


http://www.coinsight.org/mtgox.html

aces,

someone has decided to record every one of the transactions associated with a Mt Gox address


great post
 

[Loozik]

I posted this for hackers https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508162.msg5611649#msg5611649 in case they want to investigate more

[Tzupy]

This doesn't really prove there was insider trading / withdrawals (although I tend to believe it was some).
Could have been just experienced traders who recognized a wave B and sold to bag holders.
Not on MtGox, where they couldn't have cashed out, but on other exchanges.
I posted about the top of wave B in January and of course I was laughed at by the uber-bulls.

[joesmoe2012]

And it appears marks site is offline now.

Here's a mirror of the leak:

https://mega.co.nz/#!0VliDQBA!4Ontdi2MsLD4J5dV1-sr7pAgEYTSMi8rNeEMBikEhAs

Be careful opening the .exe (do it in a sandbox).

[Loozik]

This doesn't really prove ...

It is just a hypothesis that I came up with (after I concluded that the official story makes no sense whatsover) that screems to be either confirmed or debunked with evidence.

[Armis]

This doesn't really prove ...

It is just a hypothesis that I came up with (after I concluded that the official story makes no sense whatsover) that screems to be either confirmed or debunked with evidence.

I think what we are finding is that Mt Gox actually thought everyone would simply walk away from this as they have walked away from each and every one of the other events of like kind that have occurred in the past.   

[Loozik]

This doesn't really prove there was insider trading / withdrawals (although I tend to believe it was some).
Could have been just experienced traders who recognized a wave B and sold to bag holders.
Not on MtGox, where they couldn't have cashed out, but on other exchanges.
I posted about the top of wave B in January and of course I was laughed at by the uber-bulls.

After examining gox prices for other than usd pairs, I think you are completely wrong. On other pairs market at gox behaved properly, except for already discussed btcusd and newly examined pairs: bitcoin/rubble and bitcoin/yen. Have a look. We more or less indentified new (fiat-related) dots - this is when gox was being drained out of fiat).

[joesmoe2012]

This doesn't really prove ...

It is just a hypothesis that I came up with (after I concluded that the official story makes no sense whatsover) that screems to be either confirmed or debunked with evidence.

I think what we are finding is that Mt Gox actually thought everyone would simply walk away from this as they have walked away from each and every one of the other events of like kind that have occurred in the past.   

MtGox is way bigger though than any of the people who have failed in the past. And BTC is worth so much more now.

[Tzupy]

After examining gox prices for other than usd pairs, I think you are completely wrong. On other pairs market at gox behaved properly, except for already discussed btcusd and newly examined pairs: bitcoin/rubble and bitcoin/yen. Have a look. We more or less indentified new (fiat-related) dots - this is when gox was being drained out of fiat).

LOL, how can I be completely wrong if I admitted believing there was some insider trading / withdrawal. You are taking this too personal...
The ruble chart is new info, looks suspicious indeed. But how could it be? Such high volume with little slippage?

[Loozik]

This doesn't really prove there was insider trading / withdrawals (although I tend to believe it was some).
Could have been just experienced traders who recognized a wave B and sold to bag holders.
Not on MtGox, where they couldn't have cashed out, but on other exchanges.
I posted about the top of wave B in January and of course I was laughed at by the uber-bulls.

LOL, how can I be completely wrong if I admitted believing there was some insider trading / withdrawal. You are taking this too personal...
The ruble chart is new info, looks suspicious indeed. But how could it be? Such high volume with little slippage?

With the rubble and yen charts (confronted with usd chart) you now have a proof there were insider withdrawals (not experienced traders catching wave B or whatever you think you saw and posted about in January).

I apologize for overreacting and using a phrase ''you were completely wrong''. In fact you weren't completely wrong.

[Tzupy]

OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.

[Loozik]

It just occured to me. In view of the evidence* that:
- Gox was being drained out of fiat in early December (therefore someone knew Gox would collapse),
- Gox was being drained out of bitcoins in late December (therefore someone knew Gox would collapse)
the whole story of Mark Karpeles about how the hack started in the beginning of February, is simply a lie.


It was a lie Mark Karpeles told to the Japanese court and with this lie he managed to turn things into civil rehabilitation thus escaping criminal charges.

Wouldn't it be sensible that someone who speaks Japanese contacts Japanese prosecutors to press criminal charges against Mark Karpeles (at least for lying to the court)? The more we wait the more evidence gets destroyed  


* Looking for someone to confirm this evidence or debunk it

[Loozik]

OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.

To me it looks like Gox had rubbles in their account (perhaps Mark Karpeles bought them in anticipation to flee to Russia) and through some IT gimmicks streamed btcusd buy orders into rubbles Maybe the seller and the buyer worked together. I have no idea why no slippage on a dead bitcoin/rubble market.

It is for the prosectutors to find out.

This looks criminal. I have no doubt about it. Passport should be taken away from Mark Karpeles and he himself should be placed in custody.

[joesmoe2012]

OK. I find something else fishy with the ruble chart. IMO it would have been impossible to get such high volume with little slippage.
To me, the green candle means that it was a huge (for the ruble market) ask wall, and it was bought into. Is this correct?
If so, who suddenly had so many rubles required for the transaction? Maybe the seller and buyer were acting together.
The buyer still had some time to withdraw bitcoins before the shit hit the fan.

To me it looks like Gox had rubbles in their account (perhaps Mark Karpeles bought them in anticipation to flee to Russia) and through some IT gimmicks streamed btcusd buy orders into rubbles Maybe the seller and the buyer worked together. I have no idea why no slippage on a dead bitcoin/rubble market.

It is for the prosectutors to find out.

This looks criminal. I have no doubt about it. Passport should be taken away from Mark Karpeles and he himself should be placed in custody.

MtGox's exchange always worked like this. There didn't have to be a RUR buyer, MtGox's bank would have done the conversion and allowed people with USD to buy the bitcoins, and seller be paid in RUR.

[Loozik]

Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice 

[royal-casino]

Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice 

Albanians will get him first..

[joesmoe2012]

Okay, if Mark Karpeles is found dead it's not because of Russian and Japanese mafia. Russian mafia and Japanese mafia managed to withdraw their assets on time, which we saw on yen and rubble charts. How nice 

Some major arbitrage between btc-e and gox is probably what it was (by someone inside one of the exchanges).