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March 01, 2014, 07:27:33 AM
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Please try not to speculate.
Its just a post.

the likelihood its a lie or misinformed is 50/50

the likelihood its the truth or misinformed is 50/50

Truth is perception, in the end. Unless you do
your homework.

Please DO try to speculate.  There is nothing wrong with a hypothesis that turns out to be incorrect.

The scientific method involves brainstrorming for a wide variety of hypotheses, then knocking out the hypotheses which do not stand to the evidence as it comes in.

Modern science has come very far very fast on the strength of this method of exploration.  Religion and politics have stagnated and look about the same as they have for the past several thousand years because they mainly reject these methods.

Most importantly, do your own thinking.  Most posters here just state some (usually absurd) assertion as though it were fact.  That's because there are a lot of imbeciles and youngsters around these parts.  In Bitcoinland doing your own analysis can make you rich...or at least help you to not get ripped off.


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March 01, 2014, 07:31:45 AM
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Occum's razor may apply in this situation.
Keep it simple. Keep it clean.
Gun to his head or lost keys.
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March 01, 2014, 07:41:10 AM
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the only transaction malleability in this whole thing is how the story doesn't fit
and how the story has changed.
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March 01, 2014, 07:50:46 AM
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the only transaction malleability in this whole thing is how the story doesn't fit
and how the story has changed.

I think the malleability is only part of it.. and that is what led them to discover the rest of the "issues"...

Someone is shaking in their boots, and may attempt to disappear from gox soon.. but I doubt it is K himself.

However, They said only like $8 million in USD was locked-up in assets, through seizure. (That is irrelevant to us anyways, as it is only locked-up for suspicion of being part of laundering.)

Still waiting for the help-lines to open, so we can file our claims. That information was still pending, once the investigation is complete.

No more stories now... It is in the Govt's hands... They are not going to lie. They have no reason to lie for Gox. Tongue He is just another business, that got screwed.

Customers still have protections... Even in Japan.

He will most-likely have a chance to earn it all back. That is why they had to do a strategic filing for bankruptcy protection. It is what businesses do, to continue to operate, or sell, or get external investigations for free. Tongue

I hope an American business picks it up for a nice discounted sale-price... Bring it closer to home. Would be a nice turn-key operation, once the holes are patched. Throw in some legal regulation and get 40x the customer base, and trade-volume and income. Best return investment ever. Better than buying a bunch of miners to farm, and cheaper.
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March 01, 2014, 08:07:18 AM
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Mt Gox owners need to devote more time and not let things take their course.

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March 01, 2014, 08:31:52 AM
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Dismissing the OP seems naive. The US government is a criminal organisation that is rife with exactly this kind of thing. Why would the OP be a stretch? It's much more on the side of "likely" than "unlikely".

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March 01, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
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The government is definitely Public Scum #1 and can't be trusted.
But I'm not really seeing that they did this. Mebbe so but I don't see it.
Let's not over conspiracy this thing. The trooth is prolly much simpler.
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March 01, 2014, 08:49:50 AM
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The government is definitely Public Scum #1 and can't be trusted.
But I'm not really seeing that they did this. Mebbe so but I don't see it.
Let's not over conspiracy this thing. The trooth is prolly much simpler.

Could be. But it's not a stretch by any means. Ruling it out would be irresponsible. Truth is... we just don't know right now...

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March 01, 2014, 09:00:57 AM
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I lost nothing to gox, but what really pisses me off is all the wishy washy
horse feces we've been fed so far. Weasel words and total lack of any
credible explanation. And when and if the whole story is ever known
I have little faith that all our questions will be answered in the statements.
It will be some half baked drivel carefully concocted to placate the masses
with just enough technical explanation to look good on the surface yet
carefully leave no real information revealed. Just as it has been so far
so shall it continue to be.
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March 01, 2014, 09:25:02 AM
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I understand that Yakuza are extreme professionals at extorting even large corporations. It could simply be, that the bitcoins were obtained through extortion, and Kerpeles is unable to divulge the fact out of fear of whatever they are using to extort him. Of course, it could just be a government doing the extorting, and using threat of prison time for real or imaginary crimes.

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March 01, 2014, 09:30:07 AM
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No mention by the "experts" or general media of the transaction that started to disperse the cold wallet funds: https://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805.

Because they were hacked in 2011 and kept their losses silent. Keep in mind in 2011 500K BTC was "only" a few million dollar, and Gox probably thought they could earn that back in trading fees in a few years. Had the price remained roughly where it was, it might even have worked, but as the price rocketed from <$5 to >$500 that few million dollar hole became a quarter of a billion.
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March 01, 2014, 10:19:26 AM
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If people DBA government (either US or Japanese or yet some other) did this (stole bitcoins or forced Karpeles to steal bitcoins), then Karpeles will be found dead soon or will never be found. These people leave no witnesses.
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March 01, 2014, 10:37:48 AM
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The OP reasoning boils down to :

"Something bad happened, the government must be involved"  

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March 01, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
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Seeing as how not anyone on this forum has provided ANY evidence that proves otherwise, I'm sticking with this as a far more likely theory.

That's quite some logic there.
"If someone can't disprove my theory, it must be right"
On that basis, I have dancing unicorns in my garden. Prove me wrong!

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"Something bad happened, the government must be involved"  

There seems to be a good chunk of people on these forums for whom that is the default response to anything.
Bad coffee? Must be the CIA!

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March 01, 2014, 11:42:56 AM
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Seeing as how not anyone on this forum has provided ANY evidence that proves otherwise, I'm sticking with this as a far more likely theory.

That's quite some logic there.
"If someone can't disprove my theory, it must be right"
On that basis, I have dancing unicorns in my garden. Prove me wrong!
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I have no evidence, but GOVERNMENT!!!

The OP reasoning boils down to :

"Something bad happened, the government must be involved"  

Cool

"Something bad happened, the government must be involved"  

There seems to be a good chunk of people on these forums for whom that is the default response to anything.
Bad coffee? Must be the CIA!

Herp a derp derp.

No, governments don't steal! Ever! Impossibru! (does not include wars, taxes, inflation, government debt, expropriation...)

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"Something bad happened, the government must be involved"  
There seems to be a good chunk of people on these forums for whom that is the default response to anything.
Bad coffee? Must be the CIA!
Herp a derp derp.

No, governments don't steal! Ever! Impossibru! (does not include wars, taxes, inflation, government debt, expropriation...)

All dogs have four legs.
My cat has four legs.
Therefore my cat is a dog.

Just because governments sometimes do bad things, it does not mean that all bad things are done by governments.

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Just because governments sometimes do bad things, it does not mean that all bad things are done by governments.

No shit Sherlock.  And who is saying this?
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March 01, 2014, 03:13:08 PM
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Just because governments sometimes do bad things, it does not mean that all bad things are done by governments.
No shit Sherlock.  And who is saying this?

On any given thread in Bitcointalk, the probability that at somepoint someone will blame the government for any problem they have ever encountered approaches 100%.

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