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September 13, 2018, 05:56:00 AM
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You have your excuse already. If the government will really require your reports then tell them what happen, that the trading site should be held responsible for the transactions records that lose. Anyway, you are legal person and you hide nothing. In our country, we are not oblige to submit reports but the government will just review all of our transactions records in the exchanges.
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September 13, 2018, 07:34:48 AM
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A good first step is to collect as much information as possible from the financial institutions involved. For older trading records, you may need to pay a research fee that depends on the age and complexity of the records requested. Another option is to assemble all the necessary data – including historical trading prices, dividends and stock splits – and then use a spreadsheet to determine the amount of capital that was reinvested. The best approach, of course, is to keep your transaction records. That will save you a lot of work and stress.
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September 13, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
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You "may" not require your transaction history unless it is an audit case. For the time being you can manage with your bank statements, you'd be able to recall you purchase or sale history with the help of deposits and withdrawals. You can the report your gains income. But You may at times need to authenticate your income sources with a reliable, sufficient and appropriate evidence, in case a scrutiny falls on you. And if you are not able to verify your income sources, you may put yourself in some serious danger. So next time better be careful and try to maintain a record of your trading transactions.
This seems to be an error from the exchange site that you are using, whether from some of the transactions that you have done so that you delete some history that turns out you have forgotten that you deleted it, but usually every exchange will surely show proof of withdrawal or expenditure transaction...

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September 19, 2018, 02:12:55 AM
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Is it not that the local exchanges should be required by the government to keep all the transaction records of every client for future verification? I just wonder of which country you were belong in which its seems that you are oblige to submit your transactions for future taxation while in our country the tax is already deducted during Crypto to fiat conversion.

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September 20, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
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You have your excuse already. If the government will really require your reports then tell them what happen, that the trading site should be held responsible for the transactions records that lose. Anyway, you are legal person and you hide nothing. In our country, we are not oblige to submit reports but the government will just review all of our transactions records in the exchanges.
Easy to say but wont really be that easy for them to convince about on where those funds came from.No evidence or proofs to be shown then it would really be a big problem.


You "may" not require your transaction history unless it is an audit case. For the time being you can manage with your bank statements, you'd be able to recall you purchase or sale history with the help of deposits and withdrawals. You can the report your gains income. But You may at times need to authenticate your income sources with a reliable, sufficient and appropriate evidence, in case a scrutiny falls on you. And if you are not able to verify your income sources, you may put yourself in some serious danger. So next time better be careful and try to maintain a record of your trading transactions.
This seems to be an error from the exchange site that you are using, whether from some of the transactions that you have done so that you delete some history that turns out you have forgotten that you deleted it, but usually every exchange will surely show proof of withdrawal or expenditure transaction...
Stop on making a shitpost or garbage presumptions because theres no such error about on exchange log deletion.Its clear that its being mention about storing only last 30 days of transactions.There are exchangers who do have that kind of system.

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September 22, 2018, 06:34:14 PM
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I lost my trading history on Livecoin, which I had to use because I wanted to get some coins of an altcoin that I was interested in and it was only trading there at relevant volumes.
Livecoin is worst exchange ever. How you trading in here i don't know. Trading volume is good but this exchange really slow down even it's going to offline a  couple of days within a week. I have more lose trading history in binance and LBANK. Volumes is matter in every trading.

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September 23, 2018, 05:47:52 AM
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now that trading is going to be really bad, it's because of the price that is happening in the market. everyone is in a hurry to buy all the traders who can sell their holdings but it is a good buy now because of the market.
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October 17, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Last edit: October 17, 2018, 03:44:24 PM by cellard
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I think it's delusional to claim they don't care about the origin, otherwise people would be selling illegal stuff on the darknet and then putting it into some exchange, making some gains and reporting it as capital gains.

Let's say you put 1 BTC in some exchange, and this BTC was made with signature campaign posting for instance, across a couple of years or so. You then x100 that in some exchange, and then you put your 100 BTC back into your Bitcoin Core wallet or whatever.

In 5 years Bitcoin goes past $100k, so you are sitting on 10 $million now, and you want to buy a million dollar house. When you cash out this million, they will obviously ask where the money came from.

You may have screenshots and whatever proving you got paid to post in some internet forum, but then, if you lost your altcoin trading history in the exchange, you cannot prove how you made this BTC go x100.

How this isn't a problem?

Al Capone got busted for tax evasion. He didn't get busted for inability to prove where his income was derived from. That's not a coincidence. The IRS does not ask for the origin. They only ask for very general categories of income (including itemized capital gains).

You're veering off into paranoia when you say that possessing money automatically means the presumption of illegal activity, and further that this warrants investigation by law enforcement agencies besides tax authorities. Do you have anything to support these theories, besides hypotheticals?

It's been explained already that the threshold (at least in the US) is whether reporting was "reasonable" and in "good faith." For example, see this answer from a licensed CPA:
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Question: "If I have non-covered capital gains. and do not have a record of investment cost, how can I arrive at a cost for tax?"
Answer: "You need to enter a reasonable and good-faith estimate of cost basis.  The IRS is receiving the 1099-B information from the broker, but is relying on you to report the correct category and/or cost basis. Otherwise the entire proceeds will be considered gain.

(It would be unreasonable for the IRS to claim you did not pay anything for the investment (Cost basis = "0", total proceeds taxable). It would be unreasonable for you to claim the total proceeds as the cost basis (no taxable income)."

I'm really not sure where guys get these ideas about proof -- "if you can't prove the source, you'll lose everything or get dragged off to prison" etc. That sounds very outlandish to me. I've been filing tax returns on behalf of clients for many years as well as my own, and I deal with CPAs and tax authorities regularly.

Anyway, personally, I would avoid talking to the IRS directly about your own case. Consult a qualified tax professional (or two) and follow their advice. That way, if the IRS ever comes after you -- highly unlikely IMO if you pay your taxes with reasonable accuracy -- you'll have formed the basis for a "reasonable cause and good faith" defense.

Im not sure about the IRS, but you can ask about people from Europe, in certain countries you are by default a criminal unless proven otherwise (basically).

You are delusional if you think you can put $100k worth of bitcoin in your bank account, and they aren't going to ask you were the money came from and you better be able to prove it. For instance, if you get paid in bitcoin for selling some product or service, they will ask for invoices, proof that the money doesn't come from illegal activity, or if you get paid to post on forums and your coins are eventually worth $100k, you can't put them on your bank and say some vague explanation, im sure they will want deeper details. Im not sure what exactly, perhaps screenshots of the threads or whatnot, I've never known anyone that cashed out big signature campaign-derived amounts.

Also check this out US related:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

You have your excuse already. If the government will really require your reports then tell them what happen, that the trading site should be held responsible for the transactions records that lose. Anyway, you are legal person and you hide nothing. In our country, we are not oblige to submit reports but the government will just review all of our transactions records in the exchanges.

Yeah the problem is governments don't see us as humans, but numbers, so "my excuse" (even if the truth) may not work out well. In my case it's the truth, but actual criminals could just claim that it happened to them too, so I understand that from that PoV. However what im supposed to do then, if not just hold these coins forever (alternative being to gamble my legal-activity earned money in some vague definition of "good or bad faith")
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