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March 03, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
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again, replace "Bitcoin" with "Early internet"

Breaking that down, about 95 percent of internet users are men, about 61 percent say they’re not religious, and about 44 percent describe themselves as “libertarian / cyberpunk.” On the last point, the political ideology of internet users is evident from the fact that the whole idea behind the internet is that it segregates telecommunications and information systems from a country’s government. The internet aims to be a universal network, connecting people “peer-to-peer” instead of through set institutions. It wants to replace our current telecommunications system and practices in their entirety — changing the way we get information and provide newscast. The libertarians, or cyberpunks as the case may be, don’t trust the government to handle their propaganda. They’re the same people who want to “end the information monopoly.”

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March 03, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
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Bleh, your post beat mine by 3 hours somehow:

Far leftist Jewish woman goes on racist rampage against "white male" Bitcoiners

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=493800.0


I don't get extra bitcoins for my post. There is no competition. I will check out you link now  Smiley
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March 03, 2014, 10:55:00 PM
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Am I the only one here who is deeply disturbed that a person with these views exists?--let alone all those who agree with her.

How does a person like this happen?

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March 04, 2014, 01:07:42 AM
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Am I the only one here who is deeply disturbed that a person with these views exists?--let alone all those who agree with her.

How does a person like this happen?

The "Nature Versus Nurture" debate is still hot, all the way back from Plato, but those type of people have always been around us. When they finally get into power lots of blood starts spilling usually. The label "progressive" does not really matter, although I am having fun with it.
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March 04, 2014, 10:37:43 AM
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The "Nature Versus Nurture" debate is still hot

it's both, nature and nurture, I sometimes don't understand why this isn't obvious to some people.

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March 04, 2014, 11:00:15 AM
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The "Nature Versus Nurture" debate is still hot

it's both, nature and nurture, I sometimes don't understand why this isn't obvious to some people.

Well obviously it's both, but you seem to have missed the point - the debate is over what proportion of our personality, skills and other traits can be attributed to our genes, and which to our environment. As willy says, the debate is still hot - the question is very difficult to study because we don't (yet Tongue) have the ability to fork universes and must rely on studying e.g. identical twins.
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March 04, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
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The "Nature Versus Nurture" debate is still hot

it's both, nature and nurture, I sometimes don't understand why this isn't obvious to some people.

Well obviously it's both, but you seem to have missed the point - the debate is over what proportion of our personality, skills and other traits can be attributed to our genes, and which to our environment. As willy says, the debate is still hot - the question is very difficult to study because we don't (yet Tongue) have the ability to fork universes and must rely on studying e.g. identical twins.

Still, I don't think it takes a genius to realize the relationship between skin pigment and life-after-birth has very little to do with nature, aside from the determining factor as to what that pigment will be; in the very least, it's not as extreme as this lady is trying to make it.  This article is written by a person who sticks with her own "kind", for I can see no reason why a person who actually interacts with a diverse group would ignore all empirical evidence to the contrary and instead opt for stereotypical fantasies; in other words, it's always the closed-minded racist who is first to project her racism upon others.

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March 04, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
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Then ask Think Progress to donate their members assets to the deprived groups.
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March 04, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
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Still, I don't think it takes a genius to realize the relationship between skin pigment and life-after-birth has very little to do with nature, aside from the determining factor as to what that pigment will be; in the very least, it's not as extreme as this lady is trying to make it.  This article is written by a person who sticks with her own "kind", for I can see no reason why a person who actually interacts with a diverse group would ignore all empirical evidence to the contrary and instead opt for stereotypical fantasies; in other words, it's always the closed-minded racist who is first to project her racism upon others.

I think it's a bit daft to call the author of the article racist, especially since she's not accusing bitcoin or the bitcoin community of racism either.

What she is doing is pointing out that there's a barrier to entry to bitcoin unless you have a large disposable income (she is wrong here) and a good understanding of finance, computing and cryptography (she has a point here), and that these privileges are most common among younger white men, especially in the US.

She certainly isn't implying that there's anything natural about that inequality.
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March 04, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
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The "Nature Versus Nurture" debate is still hot

it's both, nature and nurture, I sometimes don't understand why this isn't obvious to some people.

Well obviously it's both, but you seem to have missed the point - the debate is over what proportion of our personality, skills and other traits can be attributed to our genes, and which to our environment. As willy says, the debate is still hot - the question is very difficult to study because we don't (yet Tongue) have the ability to fork universes and must rely on studying e.g. identical twins.

Hey "willy" I like that! Grin
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March 04, 2014, 04:47:47 PM
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Do you think it's daft because she's being racist/stereotypical only towards whites? Because the interesting thing is she says the exact opposite of people of colour and of women, claiming that they want small government and need support to be financially successful.

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women and people of color actually don’t want a smaller government. They are the ones who need more institutional support, not less, to be financially successful.  

If she's not a racist or stereotypical, she is pretty stupid.
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March 04, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
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Do you think it's daft because she's being racist/stereotypical only towards whites? Because the interesting thing is she says the exact opposite of people of colour and of women, claiming that they want small government and need support to be financially successful.

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women and people of color actually don’t want a smaller government. They are the ones who need more institutional support, not less, to be financially successful.  

If she's not a racist or stereotypical, she is pretty stupid.

She has a condescending personality to say the least.
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March 04, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
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Do you think it's daft because she's being racist/stereotypical only towards whites? Because the interesting thing is she says the exact opposite of people of colour and of women, claiming that they want small government and need support to be financially successful.

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women and people of color actually don’t want a smaller government. They are the ones who need more institutional support, not less, to be financially successful.  

If she's not a racist or stereotypical, she is pretty stupid.
So maybe this just falls into the general category of "yet another reporter gets bitcoin wronger than wrong".  But I so like the other interpretations....they are so much more, well, fun....

and, like I was wanting to be in the Fun Percent....
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March 04, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
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So maybe this just falls into the general category of "yet another reporter gets bitcoin wronger than wrong".
This is what I would say.

Do you think it's daft because she's being racist/stereotypical only towards whites? Because the interesting thing is she says the exact opposite of people of colour and of women, claiming that they want small government and need support to be financially successful.
Her assertions "[bitcoin is for rich whiteys]" and "women and people of color actually don’t want a smaller government" are clearly meant to be understood (rightly or wrongly) in the context of statistical points made earlier in the article, so she's not claiming "all whiteys" or "all women or PoC" and hence not being stereotypical. Since she's also not accusing anyone else of racism I really don't get what the fuss is about Tongue.

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March 04, 2014, 08:59:42 PM
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Her assertions "[bitcoin is for rich whiteys]" and "women and people of color actually don’t want a smaller government" are clearly meant to be understood (rightly or wrongly) in the context of statistical points made earlier in the article, so she's not claiming "all whiteys" or "all women or PoC" and hence not being stereotypical. Since she's also not accusing anyone else of racism I really don't get what the fuss is about Tongue....

No, this is incorrect.  Stereotyping does not require explicitly stating the "all", whether in a pejorative or positive use.  The "all" is readily implied.

The very use of phrases such as "rich whiteys' and "women and people of color" interjects the racial divide right into the middle of the conversation.

So I can't see how it is anything BUT a racist commentary.

If I reversed the comments, and wrote an article about "The long heritage of outstanding Caucasians in our community" WITH "Those black ho's"  and "Those black homie street gangsters" how would you like that?
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March 04, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
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They should repeat the survey in China
Bam! There it is.
They seem to only have surveyed Americans. Using their logic I have determined the following facts about BTC:

1. Most bitcoin users are overweight.
2. All bitcoin users live in capitalist democracies.
3. Virtually all bitcoin users speak English.





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March 05, 2014, 02:50:58 AM
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If she's not a racist or stereotypical, she is pretty stupid.

Nope. She is not stupid. She is racist.

She holds extreme anti-white views, which is clear from her previous articles.
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March 05, 2014, 06:09:42 AM
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What she is doing is pointing out that there's a barrier to entry to bitcoin unless you have a large disposable income (she is wrong here) and a good understanding of finance, computing and cryptography (she has a point here)

No, she doesn't have a point there, except at the top of her dunce cap. I hardly have a "good understanding" of finance, computing, and cryptography.

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March 05, 2014, 06:19:12 AM
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Yeah...no. Bitcoin is used by computer nerds. Computer nerds are mostly while males. Here, they just happen to be libertarian computer nerds, or computer nerds whom Bitcoin converted to libertarianism (like me). I think it's computer nerds who are racist  Grin

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March 05, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
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Yeah...no. Bitcoin is used by computer nerds. Computer nerds are mostly while males. Here, they just happen to be libertarian computer nerds, or computer nerds whom Bitcoin converted to libertarianism (like me). I think it's computer nerds who are racist  Grin

Most computer's skin color is white or of a beige descent. Apple tried to hide this tragic statistic in the past with their Black Macbook and now their latest Mini Babel's Tower of Perdition called the Mac Pro. But people like the lady from ThinkProgress won't be fooled again! Oh Noes!

Nerd's tools are racist.
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