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March 09, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
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I am really pleasantly surprised about all the good work you smart people are doing on the multiple buy in list.  Its more then I thought you could possibly do.  Thanx for all your hard work guys, you should get a bounty for all that.

better progress than I expected Smiley  A big number of stakeholders brings also surprisingly many problems. Many good service has choken to its enormous popularity.


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March 09, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
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EDIT:


 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.120

taylormcm (300NXT  ID = 1600951777571459389
50NXT ID = 383155641199039325)

and

antibitcoinconsortium (transaction ID: 1311926364865472858)

both on this site.

my transaction ID 7900843631168107124


What´s the Hash/ tx ID ? Bcause that´s MY NXT ID !?




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Here you can see my transaction id:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5130209#msg5130209

"...edit (16,feb): Transaction id: 7900843631168107124"


I also wrote to patmast3r on feb, 16.

Or what´s the problem?





your name is in the current official stakeholder list
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=1
  tab "Thread 2" at the botton of the window:

2835   schnötzel   Y   1.43432936110987E+19

The transaction id is though wrong:  that 1.43432936110987E+19
that is NEM account and that's why you have the same hash/tx id with those 2.




I have taken the information from  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlidWok7hW0DdHVfeU1BRFVoZkJ6QTRvcjc2cTQzQ2c#gid=1
 

It looks like that your tx id is not correct there. When looking your post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5130209#msg5130209
it becomes possible that there has happened a copy mistake; and the first ID from that post is copied to the sheet, not the 2nd, which is the tx id.


> What´s the Hash/ tx ID ?

it is transaction ID, either from BTC transaction (hash code) or from NXT transaction.

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March 09, 2014, 07:10:23 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.


In the process is not known all the exchange and Paypal etc accounts. If someone X  has used an exchange account, when transferring money to NEM, then that exchange is getting a name from that user X. And later on it may look like that X has sent to money to someone else Y, though Y has just got money from the exchange.
All these will be cleared out.

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March 09, 2014, 07:16:30 PM
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And what can I do now?
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March 09, 2014, 07:22:48 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.






Thank you for trying to help me.
But where to get other accounts. I am registered only once and have my NXT bought at dgex and Poloniex.

I would like to clear up that misunderstanding
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March 09, 2014, 07:26:02 PM
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And what can I do now?

I think you should just wait. All these posts here will be handled and wrong ID's etc will be corrected.
And likely there will be a complete list, which everyone can check.
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March 09, 2014, 07:30:18 PM
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Ok, thanks!

@whoever can fix it

Please check as soon as possible, need my sleep.... (i know, it was my mistake - sorry again!)
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March 09, 2014, 07:31:48 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.






Thank you for trying to help me.
But where to get other accounts. I am registered only once and have my NXT bought at dgex and Poloniex.

I would like to clear up that misunderstanding


In the process is not known all the exchange and Paypal etc accounts. If someone X  has used an exchange account, when transferring money to NEM, then that exchange is getting a name from that user X. And later on it may look like that X has sent to money to someone else Y, though Y has just got money from the exchange.
For example that kind of "accidents" can happen, and those will be checked later.

In your case there is a connection to 5810532812037266198, which has sent money to your account.
Do you know that account?



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March 09, 2014, 07:33:42 PM
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How much is 2 stakes? I would like them.

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March 09, 2014, 07:49:53 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.






Thank you for trying to help me.
But where to get other accounts. I am registered only once and have my NXT bought at dgex and Poloniex.

I would like to clear up that misunderstanding


In the process is not known all the exchange and Paypal etc accounts. If someone X  has used an exchange account, when transferring money to NEM, then that exchange is getting a name from that user X. And later on it may look like that X has sent to money to someone else Y, though Y has just got money from the exchange.
For example that kind of "accidents" can happen, and those will be checked later.

In your case there is a connection to 5810532812037266198, which has sent money to your account.
Do you know that account?






The account is 5810532812037266198 poloniex.com.
Is no one else there who can confirm that?
Why this only affects me?
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March 09, 2014, 07:55:46 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.






Thank you for trying to help me.
But where to get other accounts. I am registered only once and have my NXT bought at dgex and Poloniex.

I would like to clear up that misunderstanding


In the process is not known all the exchange and Paypal etc accounts. If someone X  has used an exchange account, when transferring money to NEM, then that exchange is getting a name from that user X. And later on it may look like that X has sent to money to someone else Y, though Y has just got money from the exchange.
For example that kind of "accidents" can happen, and those will be checked later.

In your case there is a connection to 5810532812037266198, which has sent money to your account.
Do you know that account?






The account is 5810532812037266198 poloniex.com.
Is no one else there who can confirm that?

ok, then that exchange is the cause ...

As said earlier, the "grouping" process has been quite mechanical and all those exchanges have not yet been known. They have caused groups, but all of them will be checked in not-so-mechanical process Smiley
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March 09, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
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Guys, I ask again:
Can not say why I'm on the list to me? I want to know what I should have eight game wrong.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.msg5604836#msg5604836

if your name is in the transaction list, eg.
Code:
<OLHD
<OLHD <fRames6
<OLHD <
it means that there has been transaction between your account and some account, which is related to some other name. This doesn't necessarily cause any further studies.



If your name is in some "group", which is written down here in this forum,
then it means that your account is "connected" to 3 or more other accounts. This causes further studies/decisions, which will be likely made by utopianfuture.






Thank you for trying to help me.
But where to get other accounts. I am registered only once and have my NXT bought at dgex and Poloniex.

I would like to clear up that misunderstanding


In the process is not known all the exchange and Paypal etc accounts. If someone X  has used an exchange account, when transferring money to NEM, then that exchange is getting a name from that user X. And later on it may look like that X has sent to money to someone else Y, though Y has just got money from the exchange.
For example that kind of "accidents" can happen, and those will be checked later.

In your case there is a connection to 5810532812037266198, which has sent money to your account.
Do you know that account?






The account is 5810532812037266198 poloniex.com.
Is no one else there who can confirm that?

ok, then that exchange is the cause ...

As said earlier, the "grouping" process has been quite mechanical and all those exchanges have not yet been known. They have caused groups, but all of them will be checked in not-so-mechanical process Smiley


Ok, thanks, I hope the problem is solved
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March 09, 2014, 08:45:51 PM
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owi53 -> gwinevere
howi53 -> keijokolme
howi53 -> Fallingfast11
howi53 -> cryptofuturez
howi53 -> chuki
howi53 -> milkmanone
howi53 -> gsan1
howi53 -> getitrightson
howi53 -> CoinWars
howi53 -> HereComesTheSun
howi53 -> mulatti101
howi53 -> Eumels
howi53 -> BlackBlueYellow
howi53 -> NxTDice


My Name on the list, and now? What can i do now?

Was muss ich nun machen wenn mein Name auch drauf ist?

I have send 600NXT from 16687283695044600996   to  14343293611098709683

ID  16303944214571550691

On this thread :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1020

Very Lucky!!!
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March 09, 2014, 09:26:08 PM
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owi53 -> gwinevere
howi53 -> keijokolme
howi53 -> Fallingfast11
howi53 -> cryptofuturez
howi53 -> chuki
howi53 -> milkmanone
howi53 -> gsan1
howi53 -> getitrightson
howi53 -> CoinWars
howi53 -> HereComesTheSun
howi53 -> mulatti101
howi53 -> Eumels
howi53 -> BlackBlueYellow
howi53 -> NxTDice


My Name on the list, and now? What can i do now?

Was muss ich nun machen wenn mein Name auch drauf ist?

I have send 600NXT from 16687283695044600996   to  14343293611098709683

ID  16303944214571550691

On this thread :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1020

just wait

howi53 pas1991fan Abyss_X Scharfenberger Lboss dreggsagg  have probably transferred their money directly from an exchange.
And if you have received your money from the same exchange, then that kind of connection can be created.
You all, who have the similar situation, just wait and the case is solved.




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March 09, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
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Hi, my 600 nxt are not send from a exchange.
I have send it from my NRS Client.

Sry for my bad English.

Very Lucky!!!
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March 09, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
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Hi, my 600 nxt are not send from a exchange.
I have send it from my NRS Client.

Sry for my bad English.

yea ... but howi53 sent from an exchange 3243382701527979272, and because the data collector hasn't recognized 3243382701527979272 to be an exchange (not yet then Smiley), it marked that 3243382701527979272 is howi53's account.
And later, when grouping process went on, it looked like howi53 has sent money to you, and to many other.

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March 09, 2014, 11:29:19 PM
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strange! coins are sent back and forth! crass!
you should ban it! buy coins and do not send back and forth.

How can you only? Then comes the NEM police and arrested you!!!
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March 10, 2014, 06:36:55 AM
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Hello! I found my name on the list. You point out the connection with eXtatiC and ronald0cz. I will try to explain. With the cryptoworld and in particular NXT I introduced by my friend eXtatiC. He told me about the ideology of NEM, and I was very interested. He did transfer to my NXT account because I did not have available funds at the time. After that I invest to NEM.
I, in my turn, offered to invest in NEM my cousin, who are newbie in crypto and heard only about Bitcoin. You can see my NXT transfer him (marcus1986 -> ronald0cz).
I think that neither I nor my friend or cousin didn’t have violated the rules established by the developers and creators, in particular by utopianfuture.

“Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.”

 or

“However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.”

Ready to listen to the opinion of developers and auditors.

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March 10, 2014, 07:12:57 AM
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Hello! I found my name on the list. You point out the connection with eXtatiC and ronald0cz. I will try to explain. With the cryptoworld and in particular NXT I introduced by my friend eXtatiC. He told me about the ideology of NEM, and I was very interested. He did transfer to my NXT account because I did not have available funds at the time. After that I invest to NEM.
I, in my turn, offered to invest in NEM my cousin, who are newbie in crypto and heard only about Bitcoin. You can see my NXT transfer him (marcus1986 -> ronald0cz).
I think that neither I nor my friend or cousin didn’t have violated the rules established by the developers and creators, in particular by utopianfuture.

“Everyone could tell their friends/ relatives to reserve a NEM stake. They could even send them the money to do so as long as these friends/ relatives are interested in crypto and NEMs.”

 or

“However accumulating many NEM stakes goes against NEM's principles of fairness and equality, therefore the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered.”

Ready to listen to the opinion of developers and auditors.


Please don't worry about it yet. In fact if your only in a group of 3 you don't need to worry about it at all.
The people that are in charge of this will compile a refund list and only when you appear on that list you'll need to worry. This thread does not act as a refund list it's just about collecting information.

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March 10, 2014, 01:30:59 PM
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strange! coins are sent back and forth! crass!
you should ban it! buy coins and do not send back and forth.

How can you only? Then comes the NEM police and arrested you!!!

so dramatic  Cry


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What else had you thought there is coming? ?  ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
We can sure be critical against the auditors, but maybe we should stick in the facts.
In the last pages they have explained their processes. No one has arrested you. Do you want to be arrested, do you have something on your heart?  Grin
In these pages are facts, no motives, no arrests.
 
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