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June 08, 2014, 10:58:18 PM
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Is there a live pool to mine?

Yes, the first one on the list.

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June 08, 2014, 10:58:47 PM
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I can't sync my wallet. Are there any nodes which are working?

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Athuros

Noone is mining... Start mining and it will sync.

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June 08, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
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WTF with EMO. It is always frozen.
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June 14, 2014, 02:10:06 PM
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Just checked this thread for the first time in weeks, oh my this coin needs some help! Just saying "no one is mining" as an explanation for the problems is only half the truth. Who should mine EMO at current reward/difficulty level considering the coin's almost non existant worth?

There appears to be only a few people mining and trying to keep the network alive - cheers to you whoever you are - but due to the high difficulty the blockchain is basically stuck.

Instead of 1 minute blocktimes the blockchain currently needs many hours for a single block. At this rate the next adjustment isn't due until several weeks from now! This needs to be fixed by implementing a much faster difficulty adjustment method (like Digishield or DGW2).

Does the dev (kreibich, right?) intend to do anything to help what remains of the EMO community out and fix this coin? Because just throwing a few more mining rigs at this chain won't be enough. Maybe a plan like PNDs, like halinyo mentioned, could point a way out too.

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June 15, 2014, 05:56:42 AM
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I just got the source from github.  When I run, I get errors like this in the debug.log:

Code:
2014-06-15 05:41:36 trying connection 46.234.101.198:6660 lastseen=134.2hrs
2014-06-15 05:41:36 connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
2014-06-15 05:41:37 trying connection 185.5.226.70:6660 lastseen=92.3hrs
2014-06-15 05:41:37 connect() failed after select(): Connection refused

I guess that means it cannot find any peers to download the blockchain from.  The mining reward system needs fixed so that this coin can be usable.  As others have said, it is not retargetting quickly enough.  If people are not mining, that should automatically make the difficulty low enough that it is profitable to mine without much hardware.

Digishield has been proposed, but that is hundreds of lines of code.  Why not simply take the line:

Code:
static const int64 nTargetTimespan = 1.0 * 24 * 60 * 60; // EmotiCoin: 1.0 days

And replace it with:

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static const int64 nTargetTimespan = 1.0 * 60; // EmotiCoin: 1.0 minutes

Or something like that? 24 hours worth of 1-minute blocks represents significant opportunity cost for miners.  It is a lot bigger number than bitcoin's 6 hours worth of 10 minute blocks.
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June 15, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
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I have designed us a better graphical logo to use:

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June 15, 2014, 11:40:54 PM
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Epic Photoshop skills on that new logo. Wink

Retargeting every block should work too, several coins do that AFAIK. I'm not a coin dev, but that requires a hardfork, no?

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June 16, 2014, 12:19:04 AM
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Epic Photoshop skills on that new logo. Wink

Retargeting every block should work too, several coins do that AFAIK. I'm not a coin dev, but that requires a hardfork, no?

Indeed it does Wink
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June 16, 2014, 01:47:03 AM
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Epic Photoshop skills on that new logo. Wink

Thanks  Grin

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Retargeting every block should work too, several coins do that AFAIK. I'm not a coin dev, but that requires a hardfork, no?

Sounds like we need a hardfork then to get the ball rolling again.  Is the Dev up for it?
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June 16, 2014, 01:49:08 AM
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Does a hard fork mean we need to update to a new wallet?
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June 16, 2014, 01:57:00 AM
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Does a hard fork mean we need to update to a new wallet?

Yes everyone will need to update to the New wallet, Including Pools when the update is available before the Selected block so everything that changes comes into effect, so everyone will be on the right Fork creating less problems.
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June 16, 2014, 07:54:50 AM
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Just checked this thread for the first time in weeks, oh my this coin needs some help! Just saying "no one is mining" as an explanation for the problems is only half the truth. Who should mine EMO at current reward/difficulty level considering the coin's almost non existant worth?

There appears to be only a few people mining and trying to keep the network alive - cheers to you whoever you are - but due to the high difficulty the blockchain is basically stuck.

Instead of 1 minute blocktimes the blockchain currently needs many hours for a single block. At this rate the next adjustment isn't due until several weeks from now! This needs to be fixed by implementing a much faster difficulty adjustment method (like Digishield or DGW2).

Does the dev (kreibich, right?) intend to do anything to help what remains of the EMO community out and fix this coin? Because just throwing a few more mining rigs at this chain won't be enough. Maybe a plan like PNDs, like halinyo mentioned, could point a way out too.

Well the problem was that the whole EMO network desynced, because of hard fork. Please start mining on official pool and do not use others that has the old version of EMO wallet. If you want to use another pool, please ask their admin, if they have compiled a new version of wallet.
Its almost impossible to implement methods like digishield, because ppl here were unable to update their wallets for 3 months! Miners (pools and singles) runs still the old version.
In fact I really don't know what to do with that. The only solution I see is to start mining on pool.emoticoin.org and it will sync again.

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June 16, 2014, 10:39:03 AM
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Well the problem was that the whole EMO network desynced, because of hard fork. Please start mining on official pool and do not use others that has the old version of EMO wallet. If you want to use another pool, please ask their admin, if they have compiled a new version of wallet.
Its almost impossible to implement methods like digishield, because ppl here were unable to update their wallets for 3 months! Miners (pools and singles) runs still the old version.
In fact I really don't know what to do with that. The only solution I see is to start mining on pool.emoticoin.org and it will sync again.
Are you referring to the hardfork from back in march? And pools are still running the old code (before reduction to 100B coins)? Sounds like a big communication problem to me.
Still, even IF everybody had the latest wallet and started mining now, it would take a LONG time for the chain to get rolling again and the next problem is only one "multipool or ASIC hopping on the network"-event away.

# It is a bit difficult to find all the relevant information, since the network is in such disarray. But from what I CAN find it looks like this:
  • The latest wallet code still has a target block time of 1 minute and a difficulty readjustment schedule of once a day
  • Problem is those sumbers are theoretical, AFAIK in reality this happens independent from time and relies on block count
  • That means difficulty is readjusted every 1440 blocks.
  • From the hashrr pool statistics (only recent activity I could find) it last took between 3-5 hours for one block to get solved
  • ~250 blocks remain before the next difficulty adjustment
  • Math tells us that at this rate it would take roughly 40 days to get to the next difficulty adjustment
  • And even that only if we point at least a few MH/s of hashrate at the network.

# As for the pools, this is the current status:
So EMO has only 3 pools right now and no miners.

Did I mention the block explorer is out of sync too? This is a mess if I ever saw one. And the weirdest part is that I even bother posting. I don't even own any EMO anymore. Hate to see a coin I once held suffer I guess.


# Suggestions:
I don't know really. This definitely needs a combined effort by the dev and community to save. One idea is:
1. We'd need to prepare a new wallet with much faster difficulty readjustment. We should target the fork ASAP.
2. The new wallet needs to be deployed on the remaining pools.
3. Once that has happened we need to point some mining power at the pools to get the chain moving again.
4. If we cannot recruit enough miners from this thread, maybe we can gather some donations to rent a few rigs. Someone needs to hold those 50 billion EMO, if those "EMO whales" don't want to loose their entire investment sooner or later they should chip in.

I've got one other solution in mind, but that would take more preparation and effort. Opinions?

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June 16, 2014, 08:05:22 PM
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June 17, 2014, 01:29:28 AM
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I can't understand why miners are necessary to sync.  They are only needed for new transactions to go through.  It should only be necessary for the person running the client pointed to by the source code (seed0.emoticoin.org or seed1.emoticoin.org) to have the correct client running with an up do date blockchain.
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June 17, 2014, 01:31:34 AM
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I can't understand why miners are necessary to sync.  They are only needed for new transactions to go through.  It should only be necessary for the person running the client pointed to by the source code (seed0.emoticoin.org or seed1.emoticoin.org) to have the correct client running with an up do date blockchain.

Because when miners don't mine, blocks don't get created which ends up stopping the Blockchain till someone finds a Block.

Miners are Confirming Transactions too remember Wink
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June 17, 2014, 12:50:27 PM
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what is the last version of wallet ?
i have v0.8.6.3-g88e2a2e-beta
block : 50104
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June 17, 2014, 06:22:37 PM
Last edit: June 20, 2014, 10:20:26 PM by lsparrish
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what is the last version of wallet ?
i have v0.8.6.3-g88e2a2e-beta
block : 50104


That is the latest version, same as if you download from the website.  You are good to go unless/until another hardfork comes out (later).
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June 20, 2014, 12:08:44 AM
Last edit: June 20, 2014, 09:37:12 PM by lsparrish
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I found an IP that new users can connect with: 107.170.61.190

Use as follows:

Code:
./emoticoind -connect=107.170.61.190

Only needed if your wallet does not get any blocks.
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June 20, 2014, 02:25:24 AM
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dead hereeee
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