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August 30, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
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Scrolling through there are so many posts with repeated replies, and some other posts which are giving wrong information (which was accurate atvthe time it was posted)
And mostly more recent posts with litle replies go to the bottom of our feed.
Should there be an expiry date for posts, after which the are locked or archived?
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August 30, 2018, 09:55:26 AM
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In my opinion, there’s no point in applying an expiring date for all posts. See this one, for example, if there was an expiring date of one month, it should have been closed a long time ago. And you can always create a link to the original one and start a second one.

Locking them or not should be according to quality and relevance.

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August 30, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
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We can't get rid of such repeated replies by putting expiry dates for posts. Besides, not every post deserves to get locked or archived after a certain period of time, like this one.
A post having wrong information according to recent records would get locked manually if it is reported to moderators with the correct information about the report, and so does other posts which deserves to get deleted or locked.

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August 30, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
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Just some clarification here.
1. Is the expiry date you were talking about is activated by default or OP need to put an expiration date for the post/thread?
2. Expiration date for posts?
Should there be an expiry date for posts, after which the are locked or archived?
Do you mean thread? Because posts can't be locked.
If yes then it's a bad idea. Just imagine, let's assume that there is a expiration date for a thread then how about those threads that were useful and having an ongoing discussions like this one Merit & new rank requirements? Then it will be locked after a certain period of time even though there are people discussing something. Hmm bad idea.

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Scrolling through there are so many posts with repeated replies, and some other posts which are giving wrong information
The best thing you can do to get rid of posts like these is to hit the "Report to Moderator" button in those posts which are useless that you were talking about.


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August 30, 2018, 10:35:24 AM
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This forum provides information to all newbies who want to learn about bitcoin etc. There's so many old quality posts here that gives a lot of information to newbies so giving an expiry date for a post is inappropriate.

Besides the mods here are active so whenever they see redudant posts or iunappropriate replies, they take actions.

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August 30, 2018, 10:38:03 AM
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Honestly, I just think this is another feature which wouldn't benefit the forum too much. If threads are becoming redundant, and encouraging spam you can report them.

1. Is the expiry date you were talking about is activated by default or OP need to put an expiration date for the post/thread?
I doubt anyone would be willing to put an expirty date on their thread. For one, they don't know when they are going to get an answer, and it might take several weeks for them to get a reply which actually answers their question etc.

But, also users don't lock their own thread now. I don't think they would care for automatically expiring their thread.

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August 30, 2018, 01:12:00 PM
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Scrolling through there are so many posts with repeated replies, and some other posts which are giving wrong information (which was accurate atvthe time it was posted)
And mostly more recent posts with litle replies go to the bottom of our feed.
Should there be an expiry date for posts, after which the are locked or archived?
I think you are worrying about the issue that when someone reading a thread and founded that information was outdated. So you are thinking, there should be a system to implement to delete/locked/archived the outdated posts. But the problem is we can't say the superseded data/information was not worthy or to be locked/deleted since those information/data also needed when we analysing how things have been changed with the time. We can't just locked/delete history.

This is the famous quote of "Thomas Alva Edison" when someone asked what is the reason for trying again for inventing the light bulb since you have failed 10,000 times.

"I have never failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that didn't work"

I think that quote will give you the answer for what you have been looking for. That outdated information, replies and answers given by other members should be readily available when reading a thread. Then only we can say those information/data has been outdated or superseded by the newest with reference to the older ones. The best example for this kind of thread is Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion. Imagine what would happen if this thread has an expiry date or if we implement a system to delete/archived/locked the thread or even outdated posts? Then we couldn't be knowing about the history of bitcoin price movement and most importantly bitcointalk users behaviour when bitcoin crashed and even bounce back, price speculations with the time, etc...

But, also users don't lock their own thread now.
That is a critical issue that should be addressed by staff or mods. I also found out most of the members hesitate to lock the thread even they got their answers for what they are looking for. Instead, they are allowing those so-called spammers or shitposters to spam fest with their thread. So as responsible members we should lock our threads when we got the answers.

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August 30, 2018, 02:03:36 PM
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Honestly, I just think this is another feature which wouldn't benefit the forum too much. If threads are becoming redundant, and encouraging spam you can report them.



Then probably 90% of threads here need to be reported and locked. Even ones that start off well or interesting just get shitted in by one/two liner spammers who don't really understand the topic or even bitcoin. As long as we've got people who are getting paid to post here then they're going to continue creating generic shit threads to have somewhere to crap in. If we're not going to do something about the source of the problem, which is ICO campaigns, then it's futile even trying to do anything about it because you're just trying to patch up a sinking ship. Take out the cause of the problem which is the sig campaigns that are constantly firing shit torpedoes into you instead of trying to futilely plug holes that are never going to solve the issue that is sinking the ship in the first place.

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August 30, 2018, 02:18:22 PM
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Is it possible to make threads where other members can recommend several threads that are eligible to be locked/deleted by including a number of reasons that can be considered by the Moderator? besides reporting it.

The logic is the same as the thread made by LoyceV:Mod, please check new plagiarism: Reporting copy/pasting, please permban
 
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August 30, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
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But, also users don't lock their own thread now. I don't think they would care for automatically expiring their thread.
I think the best solution would be to set a default time of expiry for every thread created. OP would still have the option to re-open the thread if needed, otherwise it should remain closed.

If we were to talk about expiry times, I think 1 week would be good enough.

Going back to reality, although this is a good idea/feature, I don't think this will be implemented (if ever)  Sad

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August 30, 2018, 02:57:40 PM
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It isn't food that will be spoiled and I guess it is good for those topics that will be open again (unless it isn't lock), topics that will be good for other to be reviewed or topics that might be searched one day and maybe the searcher may find interest if he/she finds it.


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August 30, 2018, 03:10:12 PM
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Is it possible to make threads where other members can recommend several threads that are eligible to be locked/deleted by including a number of reasons that can be considered by the Moderator? besides reporting it.

The logic is the same as the thread made by LoyceV:Mod, please check new plagiarism: Reporting copy/pasting, please permban
 

Sure. You or anyone else is free to create such a thread if you wanted. Nothing stopping you. No guarantees that it will be enforced though but people can chip in whether they think a thread has outlived its purpose.


I think the best solution would be to set a default time of expiry for every thread created. OP would still have the option to re-open the thread if needed, otherwise it should remain closed.

If we were to talk about expiry times, I think 1 week would be good enough.


One week is too short. Setting some sort of automatic expiry would just lead to too many issues and closing threads that people still find useful. Users would likely then just open a v.2 version of it anyway.  A much better fix is to tackle the issue at the source of the problem which is crap campaigns that are paying people to make the spam in the first place. Punish that and spam will stop or at the very least lower.

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August 30, 2018, 03:27:48 PM
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As long as we've got people who are getting paid to post here then they're going to continue creating generic shit threads to have somewhere to crap in. If we're not going to do something about the source of the problem, which is ICO campaigns, then it's futile even trying to do anything about it because you're just trying to patch up a sinking ship. Take out the cause of the problem which is the sig campaigns that are constantly firing shit torpedoes into you instead of trying to futilely plug holes that are never going to solve the issue that is sinking the ship in the first place.
Exactly. We already know the core root of the problem, and anything else we implement isn't going to help, and just create extra workload. Theymos listed a few of the solutions which he may consider the other day, and it'll be interesting to see what is implemented to prevent these issues that we continue to have. I'm getting to the point where I don't even care if signature campaigns were just outright removed. 

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But, also users don't lock their own thread now. I don't think they would care for automatically expiring their thread.
I think the best solution would be to set a default time of expiry for every thread created. OP would still have the option to re-open the thread if needed, otherwise it should remain closed.

If we were to talk about expiry times, I think 1 week would be good enough.
No it isn't. One week is enough only for threads starting in B&H board where most of the users normally asks dumb questions without searching anything at all wether that question asked and given answers several times. But for other boards where we start threads specially suggestions shouldn't enough one week. Those needs to be continued until it discussed all the aspects and all the scenarios that can be happened.

A much better fix is to tackle the issue at the source of the problem which is crap campaigns that are paying people to make the spam in the first place. Punish that and spam will stop or at the very least lower.
I really support most of your suggestions which will surely leads to make a better forum where we all can discuss and share knowledge about crypto field without having less spammers or shitposters. But not this one, we can't put expiry date for all the threads, to just stop the creation of redundend threads by spammers who cares only the number of posts to full fill there shitty campaigns. That will be a annoying factor for true members who really thinks about better conversation with other members (not spammers).

More viable option that I think as you already suggested is putting a barrier of 1Merit requirement for become Jr. Members. Why we are allowing to rank up newbies to Jr. Member just by wasting time with shitpost or oneline replies, but not contributing anything for the forum or other members. If we put that barrier, I'm pretty sure most of the spammers will not join bitcointalk or leave the forum since they couldn't ranked up easily and cannot join for bounties or signature campaigns to earn money. Less money, less spam.

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What concerns me the most is necro bumping on threads, these threads that died down from 3 or more months (or even years) are brought back to life because of this low ranked members randomly reading the title thread and then try to make a post in it. These threads will of course be put back in the first page of the section and a chain of members will follow and try to post some more spam in that old thread. I just wish there is a feature where threads (on certain sections) that didn't receive any new post for a given period of time will not be eligible to be bump in the first page anymore.

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What concerns me the most is necro bumping on threads, these threads that died down from 3 or more months (or even years) are brought back to life because of this low ranked members randomly reading the title thread and then try to make a post in it. These threads will of course be put back in the first page of the section and a chain of members will follow and try to post some more spam in that old thread. I just wish there is a feature where threads (on certain sections) that didn't receive any new post for a given period of time will not be eligible to be bump in the first page anymore.

If reported they are usually deleted. Unless, they are offering something new to the discussion, and it wasn't worth opening a new thread about. Otherwise, the initial necrobump, and the replies that follow are usually removed. I don't tend to have too many reports about necro bumps though. Only a few a day.

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I'm getting to the point where I don't even care if signature campaigns were just outright removed.  

Well that would certainly solve all our problems once and for all with the farming, spam and shitposting, but as I've mentioned before though you'd also have to remove avatars and personal texts as well because people will still utilise them. People might even start advertising with their usernames. Bounty rules: Sign up to bitcointalk and create a username with 'shitcoinico' in and get paid to post. I think there are several other options we should consider first before removing signatures completely though and I've suggested them numerous times. One penultimate solution to removing them altogether would be to only allow signatures for very high ranks. Imagine if only Hero or Legendary users were the only people who could advertise here. That would certainly have a drastic effect on the spam and stop all the shitposters just signing up here just to shitpost because they would get nowhere and only the very top contributors would get anywhere. If you hadn't paid your dues here by gaining the required merit over time then you can't earn here. In addition and if that was too extreme, you could allow members to buy the signature with Silver/Gold ranks, but only if they're sufficiently expensive as to stop people from just buying them on their dozens to hundreds of accounts (something in the range of $100-1000 would be ideal). Farmers really would be priced out of the market because it just wouldn't be financially viable to spend so much on each one and most users would be limited to one or a few accounts at most. Nobody would be penalised from posting here in the process as well but if you want to earn here then either earn that right through merit and activity or cough up for a Gold/Silver rank.

What concerns me the most is necro bumping on threads, these threads that died down from 3 or more months (or even years) are brought back to life because of this low ranked members randomly reading the title thread and then try to make a post in it. These threads will of course be put back in the first page of the section and a chain of members will follow and try to post some more spam in that old thread. I just wish there is a feature where threads (on certain sections) that didn't receive any new post for a given period of time will not be eligible to be bump in the first page anymore.

Yeah, those are really annoying. They usually bump threads just to post some generic crap in and within a matter of hours there can be pages of spam to remove and it's incredibly tedious to do so.

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Yeah, those are really annoying. They usually bump threads just to post some generic crap in and within a matter of hours there can be pages of spam to remove and it's incredibly tedious to do so.
Even though necro posts aren't technically breaking any rules, in most cases the ones who are necro posting are ,like what you said, posting generic crap, and most of this threads that are necro bumped are most likely worthless and easy to answer threads that is why the spam will be a lot in a short span of time. I just hope that there is a system where old threads that died already are not bumped back up to the first page of the section, as this will also help you and the other mods on your work cleaning up the forum.

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August 30, 2018, 06:21:50 PM
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Imagine if only Hero or Legendary users were the only people who could advertise here. That would certainly have a drastic effect on the spam and stop all the shitposters just signing up here just to shitpost because they would get nowhere and only the very top contributors would get anywhere. If you hadn't paid your dues here by gaining the required merit over time then you can't earn here. In addition and if that was too extreme, you could allow members to buy the signature with Silver/Gold ranks, but only if they're sufficiently expensive as to stop people from just buying them on their dozens to hundreds of accounts (something in the range of $100-1000 would be ideal). Farmers really would be priced out of the market because it just wouldn't be financially viable to spend so much on each one and most users would be limited to one or a few accounts at most. Nobody would be penalised from posting here in the process as well but if you want to earn here then either earn that right through merit and activity or cough up for a Gold/Silver rank.


The merit system was introduced in order to minimize the amount of spam on the forum. Six months later we continue to face this problem and understand that just merits are not enough to eliminate the issue of shitposting. I like the merit system, I believe that it encourages forum participants to make great efforts and improve their knowledge in the crypto sphere. But we shouldn`t forget that this system is still only in the development stage. Many members of the forum became heroes and legendary before the introduction of the merit system. And therefore, I think it isn`t fair to single out participants only according to rank.

I believe that the merit system should not only maintain the existing system of ranks, but also qualitatively differ from it. After all, we can see that sometimes members of lower ranks receive more merits than heroes or legendary ones. Therefore, I believe that it is necessary to look first at the number of merits and the quality of posts, rather than on rank. In this regard, I fully agree with the fact that if participants want to earn money, they should do it correctly, through merits and activity. But merits are more important to me than activity, because they show how acknowledged and useful are your comments for other forum participants.

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August 31, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
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But, also users don't lock their own thread now. I don't think they would care for automatically expiring their thread.
I think the best solution would be to set a default time of expiry for every thread created. OP would still have the option to re-open the thread if needed, otherwise it should remain closed.

If we were to talk about expiry times, I think 1 week would be good enough.
No it isn't. One week is enough only for threads starting in B&H board where most of the users normally asks dumb questions without searching anything at all wether that question asked and given answers several times. But for other boards where we start threads specially suggestions shouldn't enough one week. Those needs to be continued until it discussed all the aspects and all the scenarios that can be happened.

A much better fix is to tackle the issue at the source of the problem which is crap campaigns that are paying people to make the spam in the first place. Punish that and spam will stop or at the very least lower.
I really support most of your suggestions which will surely leads to make a better forum where we all can discuss and share knowledge about crypto field without having less spammers or shitposters. But not this one, we can't put expiry date for all the threads, to just stop the creation of redundend threads by spammers who cares only the number of posts to full fill there shitty campaigns. That will be a annoying factor for true members who really thinks about better conversation with other members (not spammers).

More viable option that I think as you already suggested is putting a barrier of 1Merit requirement for become Jr. Members. Why we are allowing to rank up newbies to Jr. Member just by wasting time with shitpost or oneline replies, but not contributing anything for the forum or other members. If we put that barrier, I'm pretty sure most of the spammers will not join bitcointalk or leave the forum since they couldn't ranked up easily and cannot join for bounties or signature campaigns to earn money. Less money, less spam.

Just because you support his suggestions you were given two merits , congrats !  This forum needs a reboot & instead of discussing about so called "shitposters" you should focus on delivering what you know .

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