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October 26, 2011, 04:04:17 PM
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Circular logic.  In a democracy, the people own the state.

In what meaningful way?
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October 26, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
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Yes, finding a new job when everything you're qualified to do pays the same shitty wage. Sounds viable. Almost as viable as becoming an entrepreneur on a sustenance-level wage working 18 hours a day.

It's all about CHOICE, even if your choice is between abject shit and a pie-in-the-sky dream that, pretty much by definition, can only be realized by a tiny fraction of the populace.

Can you please answer my question? Do you also see a similarity between taxation and slavery?
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October 26, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
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In the first 30 seconds, he announces that the fear of death is the big problem of society.  In my experience, its people who are willing to die for their beliefs are the big problem - not the ones who are afraid of dying.

Not a historical inaccuracy, a difference of opinion. Do you truly claim that humans are not alone among animals (as far as we can currently tell) in fearing death and future loss?

He descibes an "enclosure" movement as covering all Europe.  It didn't - Ireland never had one and as far as I know it was an English/Scottish thing.

You truly hear exactly what you want to hear. He says nothing about Europe. Here is what he says:

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Instead of being directly owned, peasants farmed land that they could retain as long as they paid off the local warlords. This model eventually broke down due to the continual subdivision of productive land and was destroyed during the enclosure movement when land was consolidated and hundreds of thousands of peasants were kicked off their ancestral land because new farming techniques made larger farms more productive with fewer people.

Emphasized in the quote is my answer to your question of "ownership". That same model is used today, but replace "peasants" with "citizens" and "warlords" with "governments".

Watch the whole video.  The enclosure mistake is later.

And the first 30 seconds is historically inaccurate.  There is no record of a passive people anywhere that was taken over by malicious masters.  The record is of religiously inspired militias, who's members are happy to die for their cause, taking control of territories.  That's also what you see today when states break down.  Its the guys who are happy to die for their beliefs are the big issue - not the guys who would prefer to stay home and watch TV.

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October 26, 2011, 04:08:37 PM
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Watch the whole video.  The enclosure mistake is later.

I have. What time? I think you're also taking the term too literally, it doesn't necessarily apply only to the so-named movement in England.

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Enclosure or inclosure is the process which ends traditional rights such as mowing meadows for hay, or grazing livestock on common land. Once enclosed, these uses of the land become restricted to the owner, and it ceases to be common land.

And the first 30 seconds is historically inaccurate.  There is no record of a passive people anywhere that was taken over by malicious masters.  The record is of religiously inspired militias, who's members are happy to die for their cause, taking control of territories.  That's also what you see today when states break down.  Its the guys who are happy to die for their beliefs are the big issue - not the guys who would prefer to stay home and watch TV.

You're completely missing the point. The people stay home and watch TV because they are afraid of death, injury, imprisonment. Otherwise, they would be out there fighting for their freedom, not sitting at home in a cage of their own making.
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October 26, 2011, 04:10:19 PM
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Yes, finding a new job when everything you're qualified to do pays the same shitty wage. Sounds viable. Almost as viable as becoming an entrepreneur on a sustenance-level wage working 18 hours a day.

It's all about CHOICE, even if your choice is between abject shit and a pie-in-the-sky dream that, pretty much by definition, can only be realized by a tiny fraction of the populace.

Can you please answer my question? Do you also see a similarity between taxation and slavery?

Only in the most ridiculously pedantic technical sense.  

Wage slavery, on the other hand, can and has produced actual, verifiable living conditions very similar to those suffered by slaves.

I know which one of those concerns me more. The one that actually happens.
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October 26, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
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Watch the whole video.  The enclosure mistake is later.

What time?

And the first 30 seconds is historically inaccurate.  There is no record of a passive people anywhere that was taken over by malicious masters.  The record is of religiously inspired militias, who's members are happy to die for their cause, taking control of territories.  That's also what you see today when states break down.  Its the guys who are happy to die for their beliefs are the big issue - not the guys who would prefer to stay home and watch TV.

You're completely missing the point. The people stay home and watch TV because they are afraid of death, injury, imprisonment. Otherwise, they would be out there fighting for their freedom, not sitting at home in a cage of their own making.

You must have no friends.  People stay at home and watch TV because they are broadly happy with the system even if unhappy with their current finances.  If that changes, you have riots in the street.  Unarmed demonstators are facing soldiers in Syria right now.  They are being killed.  People who believe right is on their side will die for that belief.  Read up on the history of Protestants and then come back telling me that Protestants sit at home watching TV because they are afraid.

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October 26, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
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Only in the most ridiculously pedantic technical sense.

So, choosing to work a wage paying job, even if you have few other options (for whatever reason), is akin to slavery.

However, being forced at gunpoint to hand over a percentage of your earnings, no matter from where they are derived, is nothing like slavery whatsoever?

Wage slavery, on the other hand, can and has produced actual, verifiable living conditions very similar to those suffered by slaves.

I know which one of those concerns me more. The one that actually happens.

Can you give me an example of wage slavery being imposed by entities not sponsored and given privilege by a nation-state?

Taxation doesn't happen!?
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October 26, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
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Alright, I give up, you guys are hopeless and I have better things to do.
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October 26, 2011, 04:20:01 PM
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Again, you're basically saying that a guy who works 90 hours a week for company scrip that he can only spend in a store where bread costs $20 a loaf is less of a slave than a billionaire who pays 15% taxes on his capital gains.

How is it even possible that your brain works this way?
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October 26, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
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Can you give me an example of wage slavery being imposed by entities not sponsored and given privilege by a nation-state?

Seeing as how every example of big business in recorded history has existed under a government and that you'll equate any inevitable association with government as being granted privilege, then no, that would be impossible.

Can you give me absolutely any reason in the world that profit-driven businesses wouldn't still commit these profit-seeking behaviors in the absence of government?
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October 26, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
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Again, you're basically saying that a guy who works 90 hours a week for company scrip that he can only spend in a store where bread costs $20 a loaf is less of a slave than a billionaire who pays 15% taxes on his capital gains.

How is it even possible that your brain works this way?


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October 26, 2011, 04:37:32 PM
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Alright, I give up, you guys are hopeless and I have better things to do.

Picking cotton for your master no doubt.  I hope you don't get whipped too much.

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October 26, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
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At any rate, the OP is wrong.

This is the greatest political ad ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
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October 26, 2011, 04:52:48 PM
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At any rate, the OP is wrong.

This is the greatest political ad ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
Hahaha that is awesome. I like when he orders me to "listen up!"

But who could forget the greatest campaign meltdown ever. Enjoy.  Cheesy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBe2yn4fhtw

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