Bitcoin Forum
October 31, 2020, 11:01:42 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.20.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: 1 2 [All]
  Print  
Author Topic: Is having an alt account a crime ? Why red trust for having one ?  (Read 594 times)
nikjain422
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 126
Merit: 10


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 02:06:33 PM
 #1

I do admit that I have one alt account but "The Pharmacist" blames me saying I am account farmer. I am not an account farmer and I don't know how should I prove it. I am sure he can't either. I do not deserve a red trust for this.
Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
I do respect yahoo but blaming me for the crimes which I have not done is not fair.
1604185302
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1604185302

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1604185302
Reply with quote  #2

1604185302
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1604185302
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1604185302

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1604185302
Reply with quote  #2

1604185302
Report to moderator
TryNinja
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1540
Merit: 2881


Merit & Notifications bot: @BTTSuperNotifier_bot


View Profile WWW
August 31, 2018, 02:12:22 PM
 #2

You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.



I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.

Thanasis
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1792
Merit: 515


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 02:15:37 PM
 #3

Having alt account is not a crime but if you are using those alt-accounts for cheating the campaigns then it is a crime and you will get a red tag if DT found that.It looks you are enrolling your multiple accounts into a campaign gave you the red trust initially so other DT also can consider that you are an account farmer making accounts for joining on the bounties.
But once you red tag there is no difference in getting multiple times of them so don't worry about the new feedback it will be considered same as the old one.
nikjain422
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 126
Merit: 10


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 02:20:34 PM
 #4

You have 10 accounts that you use to spam and join bounties/signature campaigns so you can make money. Not only this, but you also gave yourself fake positive trusts between your alt accounts. Why would you have 10 accounts if not to maximize your earnings while spamming as many shitposts as possible?

You can't be trusted.



I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
Yes, it's not against the rules. Otherwise, all your accounts would have been banned. That's why you only got a negative trust instead of a perma ban.
What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.
TryNinja
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1540
Merit: 2881


Merit & Notifications bot: @BTTSuperNotifier_bot


View Profile WWW
August 31, 2018, 02:23:04 PM
 #5

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.
All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804

nikjain422
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 126
Merit: 10


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 02:27:41 PM
 #6

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.
All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804
I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest  accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422  and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.
LeGaulois
Copper Member
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1596
Merit: 1812

Bitcoin Ninja Unregulated Banker Unbanking Folks


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
 #7

I have no problem if a member has another account because, for example, he needs it to represent his site/business. However, 99.9% of users with multiple accounts here don't use it to do highly desirable things. Years ago it wasn't a real problem to have more than 1 account here, it was acceptable. (I even think there was no problem if you were involved in the same campaign) But since people started to abuse the forum,  most of the "normal" users don't appreciate it.
So don't complain about a situation you guys created yourselves.

1993jochico
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 350
Merit: 46


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
 #8

I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest  accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422  and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.
Of course you will never admit it and you only want to take nikjain422 back because it is the highest rank on your accounts and you cant afford to lose it because you know to yourself that you cant earn merit by posting shit.

Dude its just 10 merit's to be a "member" its not that hard if you learn how to use this forum properly.

POZESS
Photo Sharing Social Marketplace That Rewards its Users
✦ ────────  Facebook Twitter ♦  Telegram ♦  YouTube ♦  Reddit ♦  Bitcointalk   ──────── ✦
marlboroza
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 2192


Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy


View Profile
August 31, 2018, 03:42:09 PM
Last edit: August 31, 2018, 04:23:06 PM by marlboroza
 #9

Yahoo's screenshot is solid proof of connection between OP and account preditor422.

Connection between OP and other 7-8 accounts is:
Quote
Name:    nikjain422
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 06:28:59 AM

Name:    LamontFalkner
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 08:08:14 PM

Name:    MarlonDamon
Last Active:    April 29, 2018, 10:24:39 PM

 Huh

Are we going to take "nikjain422 was active on 6 AM and LamontFalkner was active on 8 PM" as solid proof? I don't think so.

More likely is that Glomerulus22 accidentally copied his alt account's ID "U=1277719"(nikjain422, preditor422) while investigating. But that is only assumption. *


Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

This is not so hard to prove.

I don't see any of these accounts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002004.0;all or here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002007.0;all so looking at reference link, I figured there was another signature thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28977175#msg28977175

Looking at that screenshot https://imgur.com/kFjoDTp account predito422 was in Eroiy signature campaign while account  nikjain422  was in EBCOIN signature campaign.

PM "do we have to apply again or we get in directly" indicates that someone who was already in Eroiy's campaign wants to know answer, and they probably logged in to wrong accounts.

So, question is - did both accounts enroll or have tried to enroll in campaign? My logic is telling me they figured that they sent PM from wrong account and then they sent identical PM from alt account only few minutes later.

edited(4-5 times) *

HCP
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 2996

<insert witty quote here>


View Profile
September 01, 2018, 04:34:45 AM
 #10

I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.

Honestly, that "known alts" thread has turned into a total witch hunt and accounts are being "linked" on very circumstantial "evidence" Undecided

Note: can't comment on the supposed merit farming between the two 422 accounts... It doesn't show on the 120days merit report and no one archived it

LoyceMobile
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 800
Merit: 207


Hover mouse above my sig to find many useful links


View Profile WWW
September 01, 2018, 05:40:40 AM
Last edit: September 01, 2018, 07:13:47 PM by LoyceMobile
 #11

I honestly don't see any connection between nikjain422/predito422 and the other supposed alts.
Me neither! Collecting evidence is terrible on a phone, but I'll give it a shot.

Quote
Note: can't comment on the supposed merit farming between the two 422 accounts... It doesn't show on the 120days merit report and no one archived it
Several people archive the merit history, see http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1277719.html for example. It confirms sending 1 merit to his alt.
I wouldn't call this farming, it's just 1 merit. That means the second part of this statement isn't true:
yahoo62278 identifies nikjain422 and preditor422 as being alts... both give each-other merits here and here
Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.

marlboroza
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 2192


Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy


View Profile
September 01, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
 #12

~
Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.
Where is abuse part?  Undecided

I don't see it and I can't find it.

For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.

LoyceV
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2016
Merit: 7094


Thick-Skinned Gang Leader


View Profile WWW
September 01, 2018, 07:10:27 PM
 #13

~
Abusing the same signature campaign isn't contested here, so I assume that part is true.
Where is abuse part?  Undecided

I don't see it and I can't find it.
You're right. It was contested in the OP, I overlooked that (I really hate phone screens!).

Quote
For example, if DarkStar_ close chipmixer signature campaign and after some time reopens it, and you ask them from this account "do I need to join again" and after few minutes you ask them the same question from main account, should both accounts be tagged for abusing campaigns?

From all information collected I see only 1 account was in that campaign.
This sounds like a very reasonable explanation, which should at least count as "reasonable doubt".

It seems like some people are now "collateral damage" from the large number of cheaters, spammers and copy/pasters, and the case against OP is far from airtight.

@OP: you should probably move (bottom-left) this thread to Reputation. Mods aren't going to help you, Reputation is the right board to discuss this.

The Pharmacist
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2044
Merit: 3718



View Profile
September 01, 2018, 07:39:54 PM
Last edit: September 01, 2018, 08:09:24 PM by The Pharmacist
 #14

Changed feedback to something more appropriate.  But I'm questioning why this member would send the same PM to Yahoo62278 asking the same question if he had no intention of getting both accounts into the same campaign.  Either way I don't trust him, and the neg I just left is going to stay.  

Marlboroza, I respect your opinion but I think a red tag is appropriate here.

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree Smiley
We can agree to that.  If I didn't have nagging suspicions about this guy, I would have deleted the feedback altogether.  I respect your position as well.

He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.
I would argue that it was never alright to send merits to your alt accounts.  Yes, it was a new thing back in Jan/Feb, but it was obvious even then that meriting alts was not acceptable.

LoyceV
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2016
Merit: 7094


Thick-Skinned Gang Leader


View Profile WWW
September 01, 2018, 07:50:50 PM
 #15

Changed feedback to something more appropriate.
Current trust: "Abused merit system by sending merits to his admitted alt account.".
He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

Then again, I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree Smiley

athanz88
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 476
Merit: 358


View Profile
September 01, 2018, 08:05:57 PM
 #16

This story is interesting and all of you guys opinion are great. I think it is hard to guess the reasons why he got the red tag though since the account is not in the same campaign and the merit abuse is kinda acceptable for some and not for the others.

Maybe we need yahoo62278's word about his red tag and explain it further? I really hope he can come to this thread and tell us the reasons.
coinlocket$
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1078
Merit: 1344


One of the world's leading Bitcoin-powered casinos


View Profile WWW
September 01, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
 #17

Accounts are proven alts, so if they enrolled the same yahoo's campaing they abused it

They used the same BTC address
Code:
38QMoiXdgWJrgRRWhTBtZgtdrKKPeePem1

ACCOUNT: nikjain422

MSG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2679182.msg27386110#msg27386110 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/eNgwA#selection-523.13-523.47

ACCOUNT: preditor422

MSG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2745185.msg28070243#msg28070243 -> ARCHIVE http://archive.is/nzLt7#selection-1589.17-1589.51





marlboroza
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 2192


Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy


View Profile
September 02, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
Last edit: September 02, 2018, 08:59:11 PM by marlboroza
 #18

Accounts are proven alts
We know that  Roll Eyes
so if they enrolled the same yahoo's campaing they abused it
Did they?


Marlboroza, I respect your opinion
It's not my opinion - connection is not good.

Look at this logic(don't ask me how I figured this):

Account TheUltraElite ID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=878630
Account marlboroza ID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=787736

User ID's are very close.

TheUltraElite was last time active September 01, 2018, 06:46:58 PM...


...while my last post was posted only 5 minutes before that on: September 01, 2018, 06:41:06 PM



Both of us were in FortuneJack's signature campaign(Theultraelite still is).

They use ["hr"] the same as I do, also " "[1], they make this grammar mistakes "Dont", "Its", "Thats" which I used to do 2 years ago etc. Also, if you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=878630;sa=showPosts;start=3380 you will see that they started this "journey" [1] in microearning section, the same as I did.

I can probably connect dozens accounts like this with my account, the same way I can connect dozens accounts with your account or anyone else's account, such connections are very dangerous - I am not sure why timelord sometimes connects accounts this way and it is  first reason why I countered this - second reason is I can't find where both accounts enrolled in yahoo's campaign - I see only 2 PM's which in my opinion isn't reason to tag someone.

Quote
red tag is appropriate here.
Well, about that, I can only repeat what LoyceV said  Smiley
Quote
I too respect your opinion, so let's agree to disagree

pugman
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1974
Merit: 1460


ok but do you poop? 💩


View Profile WWW
September 03, 2018, 03:24:33 PM
 #19

TP,you shouldn't take half of Timelord's connections. They hardly make any sense. No offense to timelord2067, but still doesn't change the reality. He even accused me of being TheUltraElite's alt just because we used the edit button a lot, and used to report the same type of accounts and we used to use the word "This". Strong connection,don't you think? Roll Eyes

The OP really doesn't deserve a negative for that, sending a Pm from an alt account could be an honest mistake, and a red tag for it is beyond too much.

r1s2g3
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 728
Merit: 392


I am alive but in hibernation.


View Profile
September 03, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
 #20

I will just add everybody should add a neutral trust between all alt accounts claiming that they are alt accounts of the main account. I think when things are transparent from beginning  they need not be investigated.

I think nobody will abuse anything. (whether it is DT power or bounty).

I am alive
bill gator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232
Merit: 1042



View Profile
September 03, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
 #21

In the screenshot preditor422 is wearing the signature for yahoo's signature, but nikjain422 is not. It would be understandable to have sent this on the wrong account, but I don't understand why/how you managed to send it on both accounts; that seems a bit odd to me. I would suggest you tread more carefully in the future and redemption will surely be possible in due time.

In nikjain422's post history I can't find anything about that campaign, and I don't see either of these accounts on the spreadsheets from the Eroiy campaign. I haven't gotten a chance to see if they both applied for the campaign, though. If it is true that both accounts were not enrolled nor applied, then that would seem excessive. Also, a single merit sent between alts is not something I would personally constitute as abuse; I can understand standing on principal, rather than on the quantity though, if that is the argument.
suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 5782


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
September 03, 2018, 11:01:31 PM
 #22

He sent 1 Merit only (and that's probably all he had to give as a Member), 2 weeks after Merit was introduced. I would barely call this merit abuse, and in my opinion it's far too little to justify red trust.

Also, a single merit sent between alts is not something I would personally constitute as abuse; I can understand standing on principal, rather than on the quantity though, if that is the argument.

What's the threshold for abuse?

If this single merit is all they had from the airdrop I don't think that's a mitigating circumstance. If I sent 200 merits to my alts I bet I'd be tarred and feathered in a jiffy.

galambo
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 672
Merit: 252


View Profile
September 04, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
 #23

I do admit that I have one alt account but "The Pharmacist" blames me saying I am account farmer. I am not an account farmer and I don't know how should I prove it. I am sure he can't either. I do not deserve a red trust for this.
Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not. Instead of sending him the btc address through my account I accidentally sent him the address through my alt account. He red trusted me for that and I do not deserve it.

I have followed the rules of the forum and since having an alt account is not against the rules I do not deserve to be red trusted.
I do respect yahoo but blaming me for the crimes which I have not done is not fair.
Go and look at the forum rules once again. There is no need for any individual to have alt account instead to spam signature campaigns. This is not a place to make a earning but indeed is a place to share and experience huge volume of technical and therotical knowledge.

Alt accounts are not actually needed in this forum because one account is enough to get immense knowledge and to stay updated to the forum always.

Having multiple accounts can lead for scamming and spamming and also it does break the rules for most of the campaigns here on the forum itself. Having alt account is not actually a crime but it does break rules so it can be related to a crime here on this forum.

This forum is the best place to acquire knowledge and to also get a good promotion done as most of the potential projects do promote their projects here to get some good amount if investors. You can always enjoy the benefits of the forum from your ONE account and try to avoid multiple accounts because some or the other day you will be tagged for it.
cabalism13
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 994
Merit: 1035


★3rd Yr BSIT Student★


View Profile
September 04, 2018, 04:45:45 AM
Merited by malikusama (1)
 #24

There is no need for any individual to have alt account instead to spam signature campaigns.

Code:
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

As you can see having multiple accounts are not prohibited. As long as you're not abusing it.
Even the the mod "hilarious" has his alt, even I do have an alt.


Alt accounts are not actually needed in this forum because one account is enough to get immense knowledge and to stay updated to the forum always.

You maybe right, but some people may need it anyways.






▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄    ▄▄▄▄                  ▄▄▄   ▄▄▄▄▄        ▄▄▄▄▄   ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄    ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄   ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄   ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
 ▀████████████████▄  ████                 █████   ▀████▄    ▄████▀  ▄██████████████   ████████████▀  ▄█████████████▀  ▄█████████████▄
              ▀████  ████               ▄███▀███▄   ▀████▄▄████▀               ████   ████                ████                   ▀████
   ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█████  ████              ████   ████    ▀██████▀      ██████████████▄   ████████████▀       ████       ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄████▀
   ██████████████▀   ████            ▄███▀     ▀███▄    ████        ████        ████  ████                ████       ██████████████▀
   ████              ████████████▀  ████   ██████████   ████        ████████████████  █████████████▀      ████       ████      ▀████▄
   ▀▀▀▀              ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀   ▀▀▀▀   ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀  ▀▀▀▀        ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀   ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀        ▀▀▀▀       ▀▀▀▀        ▀▀▀▀▀

#1 CRYPTO CASINO & SPORTSBOOK
  WELCOME
BONUS
.INSTANT & FAST.
.TRANSACTION.....
.PROVABLY FAIR.
......& SECURE......
.24/7 CUSTOMER.
............SUPPORT.
BTC      |      ETH      |      LTC      |      XRP      |      XMR      |      BNB      |     more
LoyceV
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2016
Merit: 7094


Thick-Skinned Gang Leader


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 06:34:06 AM
 #25

What's the threshold for abuse?
Can I go for the classic: "it depends"?

Quote
If this single merit is all they had from the airdrop I don't think that's a mitigating circumstance. If I sent 200 merits to my alts I bet I'd be tarred and feathered in a jiffy.
Probably Cheesy But 200 is enough to go up a few ranks, while 1 Merit is insignificant.

There is no need for any individual to have alt account instead to spam signature campaigns.
Allow me to prove you wrong: LoyceBot and LoyceMobile don't spam and don't have a paid signature.

bill gator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232
Merit: 1042



View Profile
September 04, 2018, 10:12:28 AM
Last edit: September 04, 2018, 10:26:40 AM by bill gator
 #26

What's the threshold for abuse?

In terms of merit, that's a very tough call, which is why it is understandable for certain users to take a stand on principal rather than an amount. I guess this puts me in a similar camp to Loyce, in that, it depends on the circumstance and action(s). I suppose, for me, the threshold for abuse is something along to the lines of "Has there been significant damage done, progress made or advantage acquired through the proclaimed abuse?" Obviously "significant" can be debated and I haven't figured out a solid way to determine "significant damage". We can consider things like progress towards next rank or monetary gain.
suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 5782


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
 #27

What's the threshold for abuse?
Can I go for the classic: "it depends"?

Quote
If this single merit is all they had from the airdrop I don't think that's a mitigating circumstance. If I sent 200 merits to my alts I bet I'd be tarred and feathered in a jiffy.
Probably Cheesy But 200 is enough to go up a few ranks, while 1 Merit is insignificant.

What if I send 1 merit each to 200 newbie alts?

What if I send 50 merits each to 4 Hero alts?

What if I send 5 million merits to a Legendary alt?

Quite insignificant in each individual case.

I'm inclined to agree with The Pharmacist on this. I think it's never ok to merit alts.

bill gator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232
Merit: 1042



View Profile
September 04, 2018, 05:39:41 PM
 #28

That's where we're going to disagree; as I said earlier "significant" is highly-debatable and subjective. I would deem sending merit to 200 alt accounts as significant enough to call it abuse, personally. I would also deem sending 50 merits to 4 alt accounts as significant enough to warrant abuse. 5,000,000 Merits would put you at the top of the most merited list for many years to come, which is also significant. Each scenario you describe, I would disagree that they are insignificant. I also see the rank of the accounts to be mostly insignificant when determining how abusive the situation is; although, maybe I am wrong for this criteria.

It is fine to agree with The Pharmacist and stand on a principal. I have no issue with this, and ultimately it is your choice what to do with your trust feedback anyways.

OP is being misleading about their situation though, because suggesting that you were tagged for simply having an alt account is incorrect. You were tagged for abusing the merit system, per the judgement of a DT member that has made their principals on the matter clear. Additionally you were tagged for cheating a signature campaign by the campaign manager, who also happens to be a DT member. You would be better served by contacting Yahoo directly to resolve and discuss the situation regarding the duplicate PMs. As for The Pharmacist, again you would have your best chance at redemption by simply carrying on towards a better path. Everything is negotiable, and I personally believe that The Pharmacist would reconsider their trust down the line once you are a stand-up citizen of the forum.
suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 5782


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 06:43:41 PM
 #29

That's where we're going to disagree; as I said earlier "significant" is highly-debatable and subjective. I would deem sending merit to 200 alt accounts as significant enough to call it abuse, personally. I would also deem sending 50 merits to 4 alt accounts as significant enough to warrant abuse. 5,000,000 Merits would put you at the top of the most merited list for many years to come, which is also significant. Each scenario you describe, I would disagree that they are insignificant. I also see the rank of the accounts to be mostly insignificant when determining how abusive the situation is; although, maybe I am wrong for this criteria.

Ok, 5 million might be a borderline abuse case Wink but 1 merit each to 200 accounts seems exactly the same as what OP did. What makes it more significant? Is having 200 alts instead of 1 alt the problem? What if I'm a benevolent farmer and don't spam with those alts?

Here is how I see it - and I'm not trying to convince anybody here, just stating my opinion. The OP has no purpose for the alt account(s) other than to spam the forum. The post quality is somewhere between useless and horrible, as evidenced by the inability of those two accounts to earn even a single merit from any other user. The OP was trying to keep the alts secret but got accidentally exposed. I can also see intent to not give up "only merit point" as well as a registration in a sig campaign that pays more to Jr. Members with at least 1 merit. Occam tells me that the OP sent the single merit to their own alt in order to make more money via shitposting and I consider that quite significant.

Now if you excuse me I'm gonna go register 200 accounts. Please don't rat me out to The Pharmacist.

LoyceV
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2016
Merit: 7094


Thick-Skinned Gang Leader


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
 #30

I'm inclined to agree with The Pharmacist on this. I think it's never ok to merit alts.
I don't think it's "ok" to do so, I just don't think someone should get red trust for sending 1 Merit to his alt 2 weeks after Merit was introduced.

Here is how I see it - and I'm not trying to convince anybody here, just stating my opinion. The OP has no purpose for the alt account(s) other than to spam the forum. The post quality is somewhere between useless and horrible, as evidenced by the inability of those two accounts to earn even a single merit from any other user.
All true, but shitposting isn't the main reason he got red trust. The forum is better off if he can't spam signature campaigns anymore.

Quote
Now if you excuse me I'm gonna go register 200 accounts. Please don't rat me out to The Pharmacist.
suchmoon1, suchmoon2, suchmoon3 Cheesy

suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 5782


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 07:05:56 PM
 #31


Nice try LOL

I've been pranked enough times to remember this URL.

bill gator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1232
Merit: 1042



View Profile
September 04, 2018, 07:07:17 PM
 #32

I hadn't even considered the certain campaigns that require at least 1 merit, and look at that, Eroiy is one of them... You've convinced me, even if you weren't intending to, that OP had the intentions to abuse. Sending 1-merit to your alt and then enrolling that alt in a campaign that requires at least 1-merit, and you had not received any merit previously.. This screams abuse and I agree that is significant, even though it was only a single merit. I just wouldn't be willing to say that sending 1-merit to an alt is always abuse or should be treated as such. The evidence for this particular case though, definitely isn't in OPs favor. Seems malicious, and with the specific intent of wiggling into a campaign.

1 merit each to 200 accounts seems exactly the same as what OP did. What makes it more significant?

I wouldn't say exactly the same, since they sent 1 merit each to 1 account and not 1 merit each to 200 accounts. The extra 199 accounts would just solidify that it was done abusively. I can imagine sending some merit between alts during the early days of merit implementation for testing purposes or prior to reading the guidelines/rules. I remember sending some poor random user -500 merit as a test and it worked, that poor fellow required a manual fix from Theymos. Obviously that's different, but sending 1 merit to 1 account could reasonably be used for testing purposes. Though, once you add the Jr. Member requirement to 1 merit, the fact that the user has never received merit besides that and then they send themselves a single merit just before applying for the aforementioned campaign.. It adds up to likely abuse.

Now if you excuse me I'm gonna go register 200 accounts. Please don't rat me out to The Pharmacist.

I thought this was all a ploy for you and The Pharmacist to keep the shitposting cash for yourselves. Carry on.
marlboroza
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 2192


Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy


View Profile
September 04, 2018, 09:02:48 PM
Last edit: September 04, 2018, 09:49:28 PM by marlboroza
 #33

I hadn't even considered the certain campaigns that require at least 1 merit, and look at that, Eroiy is one of them... You've convinced me, even if you weren't intending to, that OP had the intentions to abuse. Sending 1-merit to your alt and then enrolling that alt in a campaign that requires at least 1-merit, and you had not received any merit previously..
They were accepted to campaign on January 26., while they've sent merit on February 9.
Well, I can't argue on this one, they used that merit to receive higher payment - somehow I missed it.
I really wonder how that happened, with all these information from reference links (2 PM's with different signatures, wrong connection in known alts Roll Eyes)

OP is being misleading about their situation though, because suggesting that you were tagged for simply having an alt account is incorrect.
Actually, reference to OP's feedback was pointing to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804 and he was tagged for this. TP changed feedback to merit abuse after pointed that connection is not good.

And after all this you pointed they sent merit because there was merit requirement for that campaign, I believe everyone in this topic missed that part.

I have to edit this:

This was merit rule:

Quote
This means merits above what you started with. You can only get this rate if you have the merits when applying

They applied first time on January 26 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28977175#msg28977175 without any merit so this rule doesn't affect them.

Signature campaign was closed following yahoo's message "No response from owners so Im gonna close this campaign. You may remove sig"  and also this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg29594754#msg29594754 "Campaign is closed for now yes, but they will reopen in a week or less. They have a bug in their tracker and want to fix it before continuing. They are apologizing for the delay in response and hope noone thinks badly. "on February 04 and reopened later - on February 24. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3002004.0;all while OP sent merit on February 9.  http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1277719.html

Now, yahoo's feedback says: "alt of preditor422 cheated eroiy campaign "

Did they cheat campaign?

pugman
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1974
Merit: 1460


ok but do you poop? 💩


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 09:50:23 PM
 #34

What's with everybody linking the same Rick Astley's song? I know I am missing out on something, not sure what it is.

I hadn't even considered the certain campaigns that require at least 1 merit, and look at that, Eroiy is one of them... You've convinced me, even if you weren't intending to, that OP had the intentions to abuse. Sending 1-merit to your alt and then enrolling that alt in a campaign that requires at least 1-merit, and you had not received any merit previously..
They were accepted to campaign on January 26., while they've sent merit on February 2.
Well, I can't argue on this one, they used that merit to receive higher payment - somehow I missed it.
I really wonder how that happened, with all these information from reference links (2 PM's with different signatures, wrong connection in known alts Roll Eyes)

OP is being misleading about their situation though, because suggesting that you were tagged for simply having an alt account is incorrect.
Actually, reference to OP's feedback was pointing to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804 and he was tagged for this. TP changed feedback to merit abuse after pointed that connection is not good.

And after all this you pointed they sent merit because there was merit requirement for that campaign, I believe everyone in this topic missed that part.
Fair enough, its up to TP and yahoo if they want to leave negative or not. 0.0005BTC wasn't a lot at that time, but still it maybe a reason for merit abuse.

suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2478
Merit: 5782


https://bpip.org


View Profile WWW
September 04, 2018, 10:07:35 PM
 #35

What's with everybody linking the same Rick Astley's song? I know I am missing out on something, not sure what it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling

marlboroza
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1722
Merit: 2192


Mixing Reinvented For Your Privacy


View Profile
September 04, 2018, 10:09:19 PM
 #36

Fair enough, its up to TP and yahoo if they want to leave negative or not. 0.0005BTC wasn't a lot at that time, but still it maybe a reason for merit abuse.
Ok, I updated my post with some info about this, as OP's concern was :

Quote
I do admit that I have one alt account but "The Pharmacist" blames me saying I am account farmer.
This is resolved.

Quote
Yahoo has also red trusted me saying I have cheated eroiy campaign but I have not.
So, this is my opinion: OP didn't cheat, but his intention was to cheat new campaign(merit part - but not with alt account).

Quote
0.0005BTC wasn't a lot at that time
4$ is 4$  Grin

farelada33
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 78
Merit: 1


View Profile
September 05, 2018, 05:16:16 PM
 #37

What 10 accounts are you talking about ? I just have 2 accounts including this one.
Please stop blaming others if you don't have a proof. Let my posts be shitposts if you consider it so but I don't have any more than 2 accounts.
All the evidence is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg36254804#msg36254804
I can't believe this. I swear on GOD I don't have any connection with the rest of the accounts. Preditor422 is my alt account as you can see the last 3 digits are the same as this account. You can ban all the rest  accounts and I don't give a damn. I don't see any connection between my accounts and theirs.
nikjain422  and preditor422 are my accounts . I don't have any more accounts than this.
To guess, you have nikjain422 and preditor422, which means you have 2 accounts?
how can this happen with the same number.
Pages: 1 2 [All]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!