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Scaling, stability, real use

Legal and compliance

https://thetokenist.io/us-sec-searches-for-crypto-specialist-attorney-advisor-to-develop-a-plan-for-digital-asset-securities/

https://breakermag.com/the-sec-issues-new-token-guidance-but-little-certainty/


And patents will ensure that true Bitcoin DNA will win



And try to proof that LN is more useful or secure than this

https://twitter.com/MZietzke/status/1113497488533577728

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April 04, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
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https://youtu.be/26LDWnM7qe4 @40:15.

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More legal stuff boiling up

https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/statement-framework-investment-contract-analysis-digital-assets

> the dead of any stable coin +  illegal exchanges incoming ?

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Really controversial discussion happening over on reddit regarding the lightning network for all you anti BSV trolls.

https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/b9ec4v/lightning_channel_losing_funds_for_no_reason/


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Really controversial discussion happening over on reddit regarding the lightning network for all you anti BSV trolls.

https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/b9ec4v/lightning_channel_losing_funds_for_no_reason/



Dude. You didn't even read the thread. You just thought, "oh this looks like potential LN fud, lets throw it to the wall and see if it sticks.

OP resolved his problem within an hour of asking the question. There's no "controversy", there was only his misunderstanding of how commit fees worked:

"Thank you Smiley someone else also posted this before. You're right that the screen only shows the amount of sats that I can use. Until today I wasn't even aware that commit fees even existed so I got rather confused when the balance shrank more and more.

Thanks for helping to clarify the situation!"

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Right. You don't understand how commit fees work. They are held in a temporary balance in case the channel is closed when both parties are not online, and not necessarily permanently deducted from the user's balance. It's not new:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8scfr2/lightning_channel_commit_fees/

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Right. You don't understand how commit fees work. They are held in a temporary balance in case the channel is closed when both parties are not online, and not necessarily permanently deducted from the user's balance. It's not new:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8scfr2/lightning_channel_commit_fees/

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Pretty lame attempt at FUD. But at least you are doing it in the right place.

Meanwhile the capacity of LN is up 43% in the last 30 days. Obviously its users aren't having a problem with it. You have a problem with it because it renders BSV irrelevant.

Yeah, 5 million dollars, it’s up there with YoBit.

BSV is ready for global scale adoption here and now.

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Right. You don't understand how commit fees work. They are held in a temporary balance in case the channel is closed when both parties are not online, and not necessarily permanently deducted from the user's balance. It's not new:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8scfr2/lightning_channel_commit_fees/

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Pretty lame attempt at FUD. But at least you are doing it in the right place.

Meanwhile the capacity of LN is up 43% in the last 30 days. Obviously its users aren't having a problem with it. You have a problem with it because it renders BSV irrelevant.

Yeah, 5 million dollars, it’s up there with YoBit.

BSV is ready for global scale adoption here and now.

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We cannot educate all the trolls - the real use cases and economics will sort that out for free.

Time to do things ...

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In the meantime cobra's comments killed LN (thread)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg50504914;topicseen#msg50504914

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Bitcoin mining migrating from China to the United States
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Dr. Craig Wright says he is Satoshi and wishes to address the CFTC.

Official letter on:
https://comments.cftc.gov/PublicComments/ViewComment.aspx?id=61969

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Wright explained that he would make himself available for questioning by the TCRC, whether to discuss this DR or any subject related to crypto - currencies or blockchains. He told the CFTC that the blockchain can work in conjunction with "existing legislation, laws and rules" and that anyone who claims otherwise is committing fraud.

By signing his answer, Wright makes it clear that he is not afraid to appear before the whole world and make his true self known. He concluded by stating: "I am prepared to testify under oath".



i just thought it 'd be fun to juxtapose with this snippet from the ongoing wright/kleimann case


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Dr. Craig Wright says he is Satoshi and wishes to address the CFTC.

Official letter on:
https://comments.cftc.gov/PublicComments/ViewComment.aspx?id=61969

..

Wright explained that he would make himself available for questioning by the TCRC, whether to discuss this DR or any subject related to crypto - currencies or blockchains. He told the CFTC that the blockchain can work in conjunction with "existing legislation, laws and rules" and that anyone who claims otherwise is committing fraud.

By signing his answer, Wright makes it clear that he is not afraid to appear before the whole world and make his true self known. He concluded by stating: "I am prepared to testify under oath".



i just thought it 'd be fun to juxtapose with this snippet from the ongoing wright/kleimann case

https://i.imgur.com/6chlU0I.jpg


You distort my dear, here is the original quote with the source, appreciate it.

Dr. Craig Wright says he is Satoshi and wishes to address the CFTC.

Official letter on:
https://comments.cftc.gov/PublicComments/ViewComment.aspx?id=61969

here is the transcript of the CG post: Craig Wright, Chief Scientist of nChain and Intellectual of Bitcoin SV (BSV), is not satisfied with the path taken by crypto-currencies in general. In an effort to help reorient the cryptographic vision and bring things back into order with what they were originally intended to be, he became more vivid by making public the fact that he is, in reality, Satoshi Nakamoto. It is now formalized by the US Commodity Futures Traiding Commission (CFTC) in response to a request for seizure (RFI) from the Commission regarding encryption assets.

In particular, the CFTC request for information refers to Federal Register (FR) 64563, Request for Contribution on the Mechanics of Cryptographic Assets and Markets, published on December 17, 2018. In this document, the Commission states that it is seeking information that could better help'to inform the Commission of its understanding of the technology, mechanics and markets of virtual currencies beyond Bitcoin, including here Ether and its use on the Ethereum network'.

Wright responded to the request for information by opening his remarks by stating: "This is a generalized response to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, a request for information on the mechanics of cryptographic assets and markets. My name is Craig Wright and, under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, I completed a project I started in 1997 that was submitted to the Australian government in part as part of an AusIndustry project registered with the Department of Innovation under the name BlackNet.

"The amount of erroneous and misleading information that has been spread about Bitcoin and any derived blockchain-based system (such as Ethereum) has pushed my choice to become more public. The system I created was designed in part to fight fraud in the best possible way with any technology. The lack of understanding of how blockchains work has led to widespread misinformation and the spread of old scams. Many ex-USENET scams and web IPOs have been spread with re-badging as an initial offer of ICO coins. ”

Wright explained that he would make himself available for questioning by the TCRC, whether to discuss this DR or any subject related to crypto - currencies or blockchains. He told the CFTC that the blockchain can work in conjunction with "existing legislation, laws and rules" and that anyone who claims otherwise is committing fraud.

By signing his answer, Wright makes it clear that he is not afraid to appear before the whole world and make his true self known. He concluded by stating: "I am prepared to testify under oath".


https://coingeek.com/dr-craig-wright-affirms-hes-satoshi-wants-address-cftc/




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About Craig Wright: at least this guy is acting honestly and bravely.
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Many crypto people should take an example about Craig Wright instead of sucking their droppings and then spitting into a world ventilation system.

read and understand whatever you want.

Another very interesting reading on BSV: Why the protocol is set ?

Bitcoin is only decentralised when power is removed from developers and others who can change the protocol. That is the point. The argument about decentralisation is about decentralisation of power.

The only method to maintain decentralisation of power is to set the protocol and lock it. It must be set in stone.

When, as with BTC (SegWit Core) or ETH (Ethereum post DAO), you end up with a few developers who have the ability to alter the protocol, you have the power to impact a large number of people — which is not decentralised as claimed but rather highly controlled.

The same matter of course is what the developers seek to cover and hide. They want power, they want control, and they achieve the same by misleading others into believing that the protocol needs to change.

An example scenario
To discuss the matter, I will explain by example of a scenario what could occur. Let us say that two individuals have a long-term relationship and an investment. As a result, they construct a two-of-two wallet. Alice and Bob must both sign.

We face a fairly standard two-of-two multi-sig address.


Let us propose that both Alice and Bob are through such a method preparing a gift for their grandchildren. Their grandchildren have only been born recently, and Alice and Bob have two grandchildren who are less than one year old. Alice and Bob have decided that they want their grandchildren to have access to money that they were investing for them — but not until their grandchildren turn 25. It is actually a scenario that can be problematic in law. It is an area where parents and grandchildren have decided to attack the concept of common-law trusts and argued that they should be allowed to access their money earlier, and in some jurisdictions, courts have allowed it. There are ways around it that would enable blocking funds until the individuals turn 25, but doing so can be expensive and then difficult to change. Bitcoin solves such an issue.

Let us say that Alice and Bob are in their 80s. They do not know whether they will see their grandchildren turn 25, and even today living to one’s hundreds remains unlikely.

Alice and Bob create a laminated paper wallet for each child. It is stored in a safe deposit box.

Alice and Bob want to ensure that their children cannot pressure them into spending the money if something happens to the other grandparent. They know their children can be manipulative, want access to the funds, and would seek to gain control if anything happened to either Alice or Bob.

Consequently, Alice and Bob deposit an initial amount of 100 bitcoin into the multi-sig address. Alice and Bob decide jointly that they will not spend more than 50 bitcoin of the joint address ever, and promise to leave the rest to their grandchildren.

To ensure the pact, Alice and Bob sign a series of nLockTime transactions. They don’t want their children to know what they are. They also want to lock it so that if something happens, the other cannot be pressured into altering the trust.

Alice and Bob sign a future-dated nLockTime transaction for 50 bitcoin. Alice assigns it to Bob and Bob assigns it to Alice. It is set for six months from now, and every three months, Bob and Alice update the process discarding the original transaction.

Bob and Alice trust each other, so they do not see the process as an issue.

Bob and Alice also sign 25 bitcoin to each grandchild from the untouched 50 bitcoin and 25 bitcoin to each grandchild from the 50 bitcoin that they have an earlier time lock on. The time lock is set to 25 years from now for each grandchild.

Things change…
Six years have passed, and Alice and Bob now have two more grandchildren. They now alter the process to assign 12.5 bitcoin to each grandchild from each of the two lots of 50 bitcoin — which means potentially 25 bitcoin for each grandchild if Bob and Alice do not need to access the other 50 bitcoin. The lock time here is set to expire allowing access to the coins 19 years from the date.

Two years from the same date, with 17 years to go before the grandchildren are old enough, Bob passes away leaving Alice. Alice can no longer alter the pact that she and Bob set up, even if she is pressured by her children to do so. So now, there are four transactions that pay 12.5 bitcoin to each of the grandchildren which cannot be altered and reconfigured, so that each grandchild can only access the funds when they turn 25. As such, two of the transactions are configured to be accessed in 17 years and the other two in about 22 years when the respective children turn 25.

With Bob gone and Alice’s health and wealth on the decline, Alice needs to access some of the funds. She can never draw down on the 50 bitcoin that had been left for the grandchildren no matter what pressure would come. She can gain access in a few months to the coins left by Bob assigned to her. The respective locked transaction becomes valid in three months, and Alice is able to pay for the care she needs. As Bob assigned the transaction to her, she can now sign, too, completing the transaction. It had been signed so that Alice can now move control over 50 bitcoin to her address that is a single-key address she controls.

During the same time, bitcoin has become valuable, and Alice’s greedy children pressure her for access. Bob and Alice were afraid so, and feared that in their old age the pressure from their children might lead them towards giving up control of their money. Alice pays 20 bitcoin to cover the expenses she will need in order to enjoy the rest of life, and leaves 30 in her control.

She signs a time-lock transaction for the 30 bitcoin dividing it up between her grandchildren. Each of them will receive 5 bitcoin when they turn 25. She leaves the other 10 bitcoin to her children, and destroys her private key. She tells her children, who are angry and upset because she has time-locked the payment so that her two children can only access the amount of bitcoin in the locked transaction 10 years from now.

Her children do their best to try and take control of the assets that Alice used to control, but as she has overwritten the keys, they can no longer do so. Similarly, when Alice and Bob’s mothers were both alive, they too set up a custodial-wallet system associated with the children. Each of the time-locked transactions to the children are configured to transfer coins to addresses that the children own, but only when the time block is validly released.

Once the grandchildren turn 18, their parents will no longer be able to pressure anyone into giving the money to them. Alice’s children will have to make do with the comparatively small amount she has left them and let the grandchildren inherit when they turn 25.

Two years pass, and Alice also passes away.

Each of Alice and Bob’s children now have a locked transaction that they cannot access for another eight years.

The four grandchildren are able to recover their bitcoin by spending the locked transaction as they each turn 25.

Custodial services exist in such a world to ensure that no data can be lost. They use an encrypted copy of the locked transaction, and store it on-chain. Nobody can see the transaction unless they know the details to access it, and yet it is perfectly secure.

Unlike on-chain solutions such as CLTV that are public, the nLockTime transaction field allows Alice and Bob to construct a trust that remains secret. They used to be common in countries such as England, and allowed people to plan their estates without having to tell everyone what they own. In other words, they allow privacy.

Unfortunately, the lies that have been propagated by a bunch of people seeking to make a drug coin have led people to not understand Bitcoin’s strengths. Not everything should be on-chain. Importantly, even though Alice and Bob created keys for their children and grandchildren, they maintain the ability to control their own finances and secession without allowing others to see what they wanted to do.

It is what Bitcoin is.
It is the strength and benefit of Bitcoin. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are either ignorant of what Bitcoin is or rather disingenuous.

Here lies the reason why the protocol needs to be fixed and set in stone. If the protocol changes during the described period, then everything Bob and Alice have planned falls apart. Let us say that there is a major protocol change one year after Alice dies. The signature format is altered, and some of the opcodes that Bob and Alice used are now rewritten. The locked transactions are no longer valid. Alice and Bob have passed away, and hence have not been able to sign the transaction so that bitcoin is lost. A bunch of developers have altered the protocol and destroyed their wealth.

To be money, to be a source of contracting and wealth, Bitcoin needs stability.

Developers will tell you that they need to be able to change the protocol. It is a lie. It is a means to grasp power. If the developers can change the protocol, they have the power over the system and can alter everyone’s wealth in the system. They will tell you how bad miners are; but miners can only follow certain rules, and cannot change the protocol.

A miner can reject a block that they do not want to process and risk losing money in the orphaning of anything they win after doing so. A miner can decide whether a block is valid with a thousand transactions or a million transactions and to risk losing money to enforce his decision but cannot change the protocol. If the block cap is set to 128 MB, it has no impact on the protocol. The transaction that Alice and Bob signed remains valid. A transaction signed on a 20-year-old version of Bitcoin software will have remained valid.

For the developers to alter the protocol, they need to fool users and the system into accepting a new and replacing the old software being used.

If a transaction cannot be saved offline for 50 years and then introduced later, the protocol has changed. Bitcoin requires stability in the protocol to be money. It is not just the limits of 21 million bitcoin, and it has nothing to do with the capacity of blocks; the protocol requires that transactions written now remain valid in the future.

Bitcoin (BSV) will have all of the initial opcodes fixed and re-enabled this year. Once this happens, a transaction signed in 2020 within an nLockTime and set for 50 years from then will be valid in 2070. Such is the strength of Bitcoin.

The same will not be the case with SegWit coin (BTC) or any of the other altcoins.

The reason is simple: Unlike Bitcoin, the alternative systems are about developer control. They are a small group of people seeking to control and alter the protocol in Bitcoin because they want to control the monetary and contract system that Bitcoin can create.

Bitcoin is not about giving power to a few developer wizards. It is about taking power away from anyone wanting to change the monetary system. It is removing power. Bitcoin stops anyone from altering the system. It is the strength of Bitcoin. And to achieve such an end, the protocol must be set in stone.

If a developer can change Bitcoin such that a transaction written now will not be valid in a year, 10 years, or even 50 years, it is not Bitcoin.

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/why-the-protocol-is-set-7db4f764c97c
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About Craig Wright: at least this guy is acting honestly and bravely.

did you miss this bit?





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sorry cant find original atm,
is from recent transcript of court case kleimann vs wright

This is just one side out of the middle - why u want to prejudge here ?



This shitcoin is delisted from Binance. Jbear probably is crying in a corner right now.  Grin

https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1116563034476957699


I'd like him to remove BcashABC too but I guess it'll be the next one if they keep that Bcash is bitcoin thing going.

hm - decent industries all had (Keep) delisted BTC ...  what's ur point here ?

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Jimmy Nguyen: Bitcoin SV is about a viable blockchain ecosystem
https://coingeek.com/jimmy-nguyen-bitcoin-sv-is-about-a-viable-blockchain-ecosystem
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I love the fear towards BSV right now, great publicity. I’m bullish.


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Things and trolls are getting sorted out

https://coinrivet.com/calvin-ayre-an-apology



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This make sense in Bitcoin Satoshi Vision thread.

The original version worked fine until a lot of  no Satoshis tried to be wannabees and messed it up.  Speculators helped a lot.

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Bitcoin SV and the roadmap to Genesis
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-sv-and-the-roadmap-to-genesis
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Restoring licence incoming

https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/pull/61/commits/6a6db4da832a49a2a8c8ae768f6e82f2a6ef4887



The original version worked fine
Original version is not worked fine until block sizes was not increased


Original version had no cap on blocksize  ( except inherent 32MB for network packages)

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I love the fear towards BSV right now, great publicity. I’m bullish.

How much have you personally invested in BSV? More than zero, or zero?

Things and trolls are getting sorted out

https://coinrivet.com/calvin-ayre-an-apology

A media source nobody's ever heard of issues an apology for an article nobody read. That's great. Those girls don't have to be "pre teen" for him to be guilty of child abuse. 13, 14, 15, 16, and even up to 17 are considered minors in many countries.

I am Satoshi Nakamoto. Don't listen to anyone

Bitcoin SV - is an Original Bitcoin!


"Anyone" includes you too, right? Don't worry, not listening. But your claim does hold as much water as CSW's.

Thats ur english

https://medium.com/@cryptoshoppe/op-ed-anonymity-is-the-shield-of-cowards-ce4fd67d3994



Nice Bitcoin content

https://youtu.be/xSd1fIqbOm8





SPV works

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/patent-wars-24929b73f381


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