Prime Dice signature scamming trolls

[RitzGrandCasino]

We have been running a successful program to provide higher payments for peoples signatures on this board .
However the Prime Dice signature promoting trolls have been trying to bad mouth and slam us for no reason other than the fact that we pay more and they are jealous. They call us scammers and everything else you can imagine.
The tolls have absolutely no proof in there claims. We have asked them to put up or shut up. Show us ANY evidence. And they have all failed in doing so. 

When approaching the operator of prime dice we get no reply. It makes you wonder if this individual is involved in sending out his little trolls. Or the trolls are really him using other accounts.  He states in his terms and conditions that they don't allow trolls.
Well, here is a link to show you the trolls he will not yet remove from his program.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490702.0

So lets name and shame these trolls:
RGBKey  (prime dice)
hilariousandco (prime dice)
DubFX  (prime dice)
there are others that should be named as well:
zolace
DeboraMeeks  (promotes another compeditor coin bet)
Wendigo (promotes another compeditor coin bet)

Again we are calling for prime dice to act on their terms in their signature program and delete those that are trolling and cyber bullying.

Because we pay more for signatures, shouldn't be a green light to be trolled and cyber bullied by Prime Dice people.

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[RGBKey]

Besides my signature, I am in no way whatsoever affiliated with primedice. I do not use their site, I do not hang out on their chat. What I do, is call out people on things like this. You continue to state that your casino is provably fair but you said you use random.org which is my first red flag, and second of all, I cannot even create an account on your site to test out your "Provably fair". It told me my password wasn't long enough when I was creating my account. It was 100 characters. Frankly I'm done putting up with your bullshit, please, go cry mommy to Stunna, see if I care and see if he does anything about it. See if anyone else you listed gives a fuck. Unless you can prove that your casino is provably fair to me, my negative rep will be staying. At this point, this has absolutely nothing to do with your signature program. I couldn't care less about it. The fact that you made another account just to escape the negative trust I have placed on this one solidifies the fact that you are trying to hide something. If you can fix your goddamn website so that I can actually make an account, I will gladly visit it and verify the provable fairness or lack thereof. Until then, quit making threads and posts about me whining to Stunna, because I am not a troll, you're just angry that I'm calling you out on your bullshit and are trying to get back at me.

Regards.

[RitzGrandCasino]

rgbkey, are we hitting a sore point are we?

You claim you cannot create an account? 100s every day do.  You may be suffering primedicious.

[RGBKey]

rgbkey, are we hitting a sore point are we?

You claim you cannot create an account? 100s every day do.  You may be suffering primedicious.

Here, using a completely random password like I do every time, I cannot create an account.

[RitzGrandCasino]

try using letters, and numbers only

[RGBKey]

try using letters, and numbers only

What kind of self-respecting website doesn't allow users to use more secure passwords?

[Automatic]

try using letters, and numbers only

What kind of self-respecting website doesn't allow users to use more secure passwords?

I've got to agree with that.

Letters and numbers only? Next you'll be emailing me my password when I forget it and using base64 to 'encrypt' it.

[RGBKey]

try using letters, and numbers only

What kind of self-respecting website doesn't allow users to use more secure passwords?

I've got to agree with that.

Letters and numbers only? Next you'll be emailing me my password when I forget it and using base64 to 'encrypt' it.

They already emailed me my password in plaintext. Also, why even have a choice here when the only option is 1?

[RitzGrandCasino]

oh yeah we forgot, RGBKey is the judge and jury on websites.  Doesn't own one but thinks he knows all about them and programming.
And provably fair, he wouldn't even know where to start.

[RitzGrandCasino]

so now you see we are provably fair. So you need to retract what you are saying. 2 others have already and they would know more than you.

[Automatic]

oh yeah we forgot, RGBKey is the judge and jury on websites.  Doesn't own one but thinks he knows all about them and programming.
And provably fair, he wouldn't even know where to start.

So far, assuming what RGBKey says is true, you've:-
1. Declined users to use a larger keyspace
2. Emailed confidential details over insecure transport mechanisms

Now, I'm no web-developer (Although, I'm a self-programmed hobbyist programmer), but, even I know that's bullshit.

As for provably fair, I think the majority of people here understand how basic cryptography and mathematics works. Not very professional of you.

[RGBKey]

oh yeah we forgot, RGBKey is the judge and jury on websites.  Doesn't own one but thinks he knows all about them and programming.
And provably fair, he wouldn't even know where to start.

Ok, let's start here. You use random.org and the fisher-yates algorithm to shuffle a deck. After I played a single hand for play money, nothing showed up in my gameplay history. Whadya know. Anyways, you can't prove to me that you're not just giving me bad seeds that would shuffle the deck in your favor, or just pulling numbers out of your ass. You ask players to provide a client seed, but you do not offer a hash of anything before gameplay, so I don't even know if my seed is being used.

Your casino is not provably fair. Stop lying to people.

[RitzGrandCasino]

Rgbkey, play for free/ fun doesn't show the hands. When you play for real you will see it very differently. Regardless of what you say and bad mouth us about the facts are this:
1) we are provably fair and a honestly run casino
2) you have no idea what you are talking about
3) you are a troll and jealous of our program.
You have a confliction of interest in this as you promote prime dice.

So again i am asking the owner of Prime dice to honour his terms and conditions and get rid of you.

[RGBKey]

Rgbkey, play for free/ fun doesn't show the hands. When you play for real you will see it very differently. Regardless of what you say and bad mouth us about the facts are this:
1) we are provably fair and a honestly run casino

Fine, give me some real bitcoins to use. I don't care if I can't withdraw them. I will continue to prove that your casino is not provably fair.

2) you have no idea what you are talking about

Care to back up that claim? I can almost guarantee I know a good deal more about cryptography and provably fair systems, or at least more than you do if you think your site is fair.

3) you are a troll and jealous of our program.

If I care so much about your program, I would switch to it. Again, I don't promote casinos that lie.

You have a confliction of interest in this as you promote prime dice.

You're really stuck on this aren't you. It must be the only thing you can think of. I'll say it again, I don't even use primedice. I could go through the steps to show you how it is provably fair however. Unlike you.

So again i am asking the owner of Prime dice to honour his terms and conditions and get rid of you.

Grow up.

[RitzGrandCasino]

Thanks Rgbkey for the free entertainment. You have the entire office laughing at you and they all agree you are panicking.
You advertise Prime dice you are biased against us from the start.  Prove your allegations.. You  still cannot

We have plenty of players that are on this board that have won big and they will laugh at you with those dumb tatics.

[RGBKey]

Thanks Rgbkey for the free entertainment. You have the entire office laughing at you and they all agree you are panicking.
You advertise Prime dice you are biased against us from the start.  Prove your allegations.. You  still cannot

We have plenty of players that are on this board that have won big and they will laugh at you with those dumb tatics.

Please post us a picture of your laughing office with a paper that says "Bitcointalk" on it. I'd be delighted to see all the happy faces I'm giving out.

[RitzGrandCasino]

we wouldn't waste our paper on you 

[RGBKey]

we wouldn't waste our paper on you  

I'm sorry, it must suck to not actually have an office. Or staff. By the way, I can't log in. When I try to, it tells me I'm already logged in. So I can't check anything. Either your site is even more broken than I thought, or you're trying to stop me from investigating your site any further.

[RitzGrandCasino]

try again in 20 mins to log in . We have a security system that stops multiple log ins and log in attempts. We have nothing to hide.
You can look around as much as you like.
Regardless of anything you find positive you will throw a neg on it. 

[RGBKey]

Also, I do believe that you have no reason to make a thread calling me a scammer. What have I scammed you out of? Your pride?

[RitzGrandCasino]

you have made false claims and people on the board are mislead by your claims.
1) you have no proof
2) you never tried our casino before making those claims

so that tells people 2 things
1) you have no credibility
2) that we are a possible scam

neither of us win in this. You lose and so do we.
Use common sense and lets work this out.

[RGBKey]

you have made false claims and people on the board are mislead by your claims.
1) you have no proof
2) you never tried our casino before making those claims

so that tells people 2 things
1) you have no credibility
2) that we are a possible scam

neither of us win in this. You lose and so do we.
Use common sense and lets work this out.

I tried your casino, and you know I did. I read your provably fair page, and as I told you, you are not provably fair. The proof is right there on your website. I'm not losing anything. Now it seems you're trying to bargain with me for silence, and I can tell you now it's not going to happen. As for my credibility, check out my trust vs. yours and you'll see who is more credible.

[RitzGrandCasino]

we use common sense. Something you fail in using.

You made all of those claims without trying the casino
You just said that you couldn't log in. So how can you try and make a claim like that?

So you have mislead all of the board members. making false claims.


Again we are asking you to put up or shut up.
Show proof of what your saying...

[RGBKey]

we use common sense. Something you fail in using.

You made all of those claims without trying the casino
You just said that you couldn't log in. So how can you try and make a claim like that?

So you have mislead all of the board members. making false claims.


Again we are asking you to put up or shut up.
Show proof of what your saying...

Here is what your website claims.

To guarantee a 100% fair deck, we are using a complex algorithm that combines the power of
random.org and the Fisher-Yates algorithm for actually shuffling the cards.
First we are shuffling the deck using the custom seed which was built like described above,
with the Fisher-Yates algorithm and then we are using the API of random.org to generate another
random seed for shuffling the cards one more time. The involvement of a neutral 3rd party in this
(random.org) to help shuffle the deck once more, reduces the chance of manipulating anything to 0%.
Our software is "provably fair" meaning that the gameplay data of each hand played can be tested if it was randomly shuffled, by checking the "Gameplay history" page.
To enhance your trust, we would like to inform you how each gameplay works.
By clicking on this banner, a new section has been made available in the my account area, which allows you to edit how many times each deck is shuffled and the seed number used to shuffle the deck.
By allowing you to modify these 2 variables used in our games we allow you to play your own part in the mixing of the cards and the slot machine reels and influence the fairness of the games making everything 100% fair.
Each time a new gameplay is started, the deck is shuffled, like in any real casino, and if requested, it can be showed to you after the gameplay has finished. To see this, all you have to do is go to the "Gameplay history" page and click on DETAILS.
The deck is shuffled as many times as you requested. Also, when shuffling the deck, the seed used for shuffling is created from a combination of server-side code and client-side code. This way, the seed used for shuffling the numbers from the deck cannot be manipulated by neither us or by the player. To guarantee a 100% fair deck, we are using a complex algorithm that combines the power of random.org and the Fisher-Yates algorithm for actually shuffling the cards. First we are shuffling the deck using the custom seed which was built like described above, with the Fisher-Yates algorithm and then we are using the API of random.org to generate another random seed for shuffling the cards one more time. The involvement of a neutral 3rd party in this (random.org) to help shuffle the deck once more, reduces the chance of manipulating anything to 0%, making this a 100% fair solution.
By using the above method, we give you control over two very important things:
1.You are allowed to influence the way the deck is shuffled, by setting the custom seed.
2.You will know how many times the deck was shuffled.

Unless you provide a hash of the results before play, it is not provably fair.

[RitzGrandCasino]

what a load of rubbish. it is fully provably fair.

Anyway this is going around in circles and wasting time. This behaviour of yours and the other prime dice trolls makes us more determined than EVER to advertise on the board and push our signature program.  Obviously we are hitting a raw nerve and that tells us to hammer away even harder.


Players from this board are not stupid. Plenty have won and we have paid them all.  
So regardless of what you claim, it doesn't affect our bottom line anyway. So it's a waste of time to try this rubbish.
Go promote prime dice that's if he doesn't delete you for your B.S.


We are no longer going to participate in this circle. So good luck in your un proven claims.

[zolace]

Wow this thug is the lowest I have ever seen from to be a website owner.   Do I have a primedice Sig?  or Mine is invisible.
also i Figured something out about his software, since he allows one account per household.

[Lacan82]

try using letters, and numbers only

What kind of self-respecting website doesn't allow users to use more secure passwords?

I've got to agree with that.

Letters and numbers only? Next you'll be emailing me my password when I forget it and using base64 to 'encrypt' it.

They already emailed me my password in plaintext. Also, why even have a choice here when the only option is 1?

This means the passwords are stored unecrypted. If any website automatically spits back a password. it means it being stored in plain text.  I'd be wary of any site that uses such methods. It shows they know nothing of best practices for security

[Stunna]

Hey,

100s of active users participate in our signature promotion, I have no control over the content they post. Nor do I feel like policing the activity of hundreds of people as long as they aren't posting constant spam. Send me full proof that they are making consistent non-constructive/spam posts and I'll gladly remove them from our promotion.

Because we pay more for signatures, shouldn't be a green light to be trolled and cyber bullied by Prime Dice people.

This is the internet, grow a tougher set of skin.


Also the fact that you think I'm sending out trolls to attack a casino I've never heard of is quite absurd. By the way, if you want some professional advice. I suggest removing this thread and acting more professionally rather than picking fights with people you think are trolls. When you argue with fools nobody can tell who the fool is.

[RitzGrandCasino]

thanks for your reply stunna.
That tells us you don't want to stick to your own rules. And delete the trolls.
That doesn't look professional

So when rgbkey removes his rubbish thread then we will remove this.
Until then we assume the prime dice program is full of trolls and scammers.

[Stunna]

thanks for your reply stunna.
That tells us you don't want to stick to your own rules. And delete the trolls.
That doesn't look professional

So when rgbkey removes his rubbish thread then we will remove this.
Until then we assume the prime dice program is full of trolls and scammers.

Prove to me they are scammers and I will remove them. I have some guidelines but don't have the time to enforce them strictly. Also it doesn't look like they are either "scamming" or "trolling" from what I've seen, they are simply raising arguments which you disagree with.

[RitzGrandCasino]

ahhh no, these guys has been harassing us for weeks. calling us scams and bullying tatics.
They nearly all have  1 thing in common PRIME DICE signatures. And this all began when we offered a higher payout than yours.
Funny about that.

I will ask you again to remove them from your program for trolling and bullying people. Whilst all of this plays out ... it doesn't make you look good either. 

[Stunna]

I'm not interested in censoring people who use our promotion with threats because you don't like them. Feel free to settle the dispute with them not us, the fact that they have PD signatures doesn't really mean a whole lot. Half this forum had them at one point, and I don't think it would be fair to make me responsible for the actions of all those people. This is the last I'll be posting about this, as always feel free to send me full documentation of them "scamming" or consistently spamming and I'll remove them from the promotion. This still wouldn't stop them from attacking your reputation if they don't like you.

[omahapoker]

I agree. no need to pick fights. lets all do what we cane here to do. make money

[Rora]

Really mature way to handle your website. It makes you look like a complete amateur. Lets ignore the provably fair aspect.

You've lost a lot of your players based on your thuggish behaviour here. Silly move.

[emsjvh]

"Or the trolls are really him using other accounts." - LOL

You really think someone that operates a Dice site is going to waste their time on that?

"we pay more and they are jealous" Why wouldn't they just abandon PD and move onto your site since you guys pay more instead of "trolling" your site?


Also in terms of your website.... "One account per household. Multiple accounts will make you forfeit any winnings" Why would you do that? If I am not mistaken Prim dice allows 30 accounts to be created per day without forfeiting winnings from anyone...


Does your website only allow 0.01 bc bids? I would of made an account to test but it requires an email and what country I'm from.... are you guys trying to get people not to sign up?

[xetsr]

what a load of rubbish. it is fully provably fair.

Prove it. To be honest, I don't see any trolls here. Unless I missed something, people want answers and you can't provide them.

No primedice sig here.

[zolace]

we need someone to do a video to show this site is or not provably fair, I can donate 0.002 for this.

[RGBKey]

we need someone to do a video to show this site is or not provably fair, I can donate 0.002 for this.

No need for a video. The way they describe their provably fair system, it's pretty obvious. They can claim to use random.lrg as many times as they want, it won't matter because they don't give you a hash if the results beforehand, so they can change it to whatever they want before you play and just tell you that's what it was.

[zolace]

yes, true also another thing, He is paying people for his sig campaign, seems like they dont care if his site is not provably fair.   You know people really care about is money.  So this is what is going to happen, as he gains trust for paying others, others might or not go to his website.  The people that do go and lose there money will then finally make complaints. People using his sigs also might lose there Rep and get damaged by it.  Also he will make money but then he might lose in the end due to complaints.  Lets see how this all plays out.  Maybe he wont be able to afford them if no one goes play at the site.  A person who acts like this dont deserve to run a casino.  He sounds like the ones that make the money and then run, I wont be surprised if he owned a casino that did this before.

Aslo we need to see the secret and hash thing on video to move others away from his rogue site.    To show difference between provably fair and not.  Its the only way

[rohnearner]

yes, true also another thing, He is paying people for his sig campaign, seems like they dont care if his site is not provably fair.   You know people really care about is money.  So this is what is going to happen, as he gains trust for paying others, others might or not go to his website.  The people that do go and lose there money will then finally make complaints. People using his sigs also might lose there Rep and get damaged by it.  Also he will make money but then he might lose in the end due to complaints.  Lets see how this all plays out.  Maybe he wont be able to afford them if no one goes play at the site.  A person who acts like this dont deserve to run a casino.  He sounds like the ones that make the money and then run, I wont be surprised if he owned a casino that did this before.

Aslo we need to see the secret and hash thing on video to move others away from his rogue site.    To show difference between provably fair and not.  Its the only way

The ugly truth is everyone in this world cares about themselves when it comes to money..! I don't think anyone who's part of his signature campaign should hurt there reputation weather they are provably fair or not   because they are just working for money which no other is providing them.

[zolace]

yes, true also another thing, He is paying people for his sig campaign, seems like they dont care if his site is not provably fair.   You know people really care about is money.  So this is what is going to happen, as he gains trust for paying others, others might or not go to his website.  The people that do go and lose there money will then finally make complaints. People using his sigs also might lose there Rep and get damaged by it.  Also he will make money but then he might lose in the end due to complaints.  Lets see how this all plays out.  Maybe he wont be able to afford them if no one goes play at the site.  A person who acts like this dont deserve to run a casino.  He sounds like the ones that make the money and then run, I wont be surprised if he owned a casino that did this before.

Aslo we need to see the secret and hash thing on video to move others away from his rogue site.    To show difference between provably fair and not.  Its the only way

The ugly truth is everyone in this world cares about themselves when it comes to money..! I don't think anyone who's part of his signature campaign should hurt there reputation weather they are provably fair or not   because they are just working for money which no other is providing them.

I agree to that also

[hilariousandco]

Why did you leave me negative feedback when I haven't 'trolled' or accused you of anything? In fact I've actually defended you in several posts telling people you've paid out and to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you even bother to read my post in your own thread I stated the negative feedback you have received wasn't for anything malicious. I don't agree with the negative feedback you've received but you don't exactly do yourself any favours by the way you behave, and then leave me the generic feedback you seem to be giving everybody who's on Primedice. Can you please point to where I accused you of anything or trolled you?

[SlidingHorn]

Why did you leave me negative feedback when I haven't 'trolled' or accused you of anything? In fact I've actually defended you in several posts telling people you've paid out and to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you even bother to read my post in your own thread I stated the negative feedback you have received wasn't for anything malicious. I don't agree with the negative feedback you've received but you don't exactly do yourself any favours by the way you behave, and then leave me the generic feedback you seem to be giving everybody who's on Primedice. Can you please point to where I accused you of anything or trolled you?

Anyone who sees the guy's trust page will know that he's obviously nothing more than a petulant child.

Scam site or not a Scam site...this guy shouldn't be trusted if for no other reason than his obvious abuse of the trust system and his immaturity - displayed publicly through is Trust System Temper Tantrums.

*Awaits negative trust for daring to criticize the great oz RitzGrandCasino*