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October 31, 2018, 05:38:38 AM
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but why didn't you respond to the previous post?  My theory that capitalists won't discuss socialism unless they can frame it as authoritarian government capitalism seems to be holding true.
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October 31, 2018, 08:48:12 AM
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but why didn't you respond to the previous post?  My theory that capitalists won't discuss socialism unless they can frame it as authoritarian government capitalism seems to be holding true.

You believe whatever suits you, and you make shit up to confirm your biases. Thanks for the demo on that. You are incapable of having a debate any way. Your brain is a pile of postmodernist mash sloshing around with no form or definition ready to fill any bias you present to it.

However if you happen to be able to form a premise I would be glad to dismantle it again making you look like the simple person you are... again...


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October 31, 2018, 03:34:08 PM
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I am very disappointed in you because I typed up all of those real-world examples and clarifications only for you to disregard all of them and resort to name-calling.  You didn't even communicate what you had a problem with other than semantics.  You're really going to call someone names over a semantic disagreement?

Why would any of this fit my bias? I grew up in the most capitalist country with capitalist parents and have inherited rental property.  I am an academic, a scientist who seeks to find examples of solutions to the world's social, economic and environmental problems.   I've noticed patterns in my studies and formed my opinions from those.
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November 17, 2018, 10:58:56 PM
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I am going to put this link here

https://bigthink.com/videos/eric-weinstein-capitalism-is-in-trouble-socialist-principles-can-save-it

and who doesn't know who this guy is, here more info https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/experts/eweinstein

I hope everybody takes time to listen.

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November 17, 2018, 11:02:58 PM
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I am very disappointed in you because I typed up all of those real-world examples and clarifications only for you to disregard all of them and resort to name-calling.  You didn't even communicate what you had a problem with other than semantics.  You're really going to call someone names over a semantic disagreement?

Why would any of this fit my bias? I grew up in the most capitalist country with capitalist parents and have inherited rental property.  I am an academic, a scientist who seeks to find examples of solutions to the world's social, economic and environmental problems.   I've noticed patterns in my studies and formed my opinions from those.


Because you don't offer reality. All you offer is theories and desires, yet you offer ZERO information regarding HOW you claim we can get there. Also all of your arguments require we just simply ignore the endless history of failures of your ideology and the millions of lives it costs to try it over and over and over again. Socialism INEVITABLY results in a totalitarian state. How am I supposed to argue against a fantasy?


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November 18, 2018, 01:19:43 AM
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I am very disappointed in you because I typed up all of those real-world examples and clarifications only for you to disregard all of them and resort to name-calling.  You didn't even communicate what you had a problem with other than semantics.  You're really going to call someone names over a semantic disagreement?

Why would any of this fit my bias? I grew up in the most capitalist country with capitalist parents and have inherited rental property.  I am an academic, a scientist who seeks to find examples of solutions to the world's social, economic and environmental problems.   I've noticed patterns in my studies and formed my opinions from those.


Because you don't offer reality. All you offer is theories and desires, yet you offer ZERO information regarding HOW you claim we can get there. Also all of your arguments require we just simply ignore the endless history of failures of your ideology and the millions of lives it costs to try it over and over and over again. Socialism INEVITABLY results in a totalitarian state. How am I supposed to argue against a fantasy?

But there are is so much power and wealth to be gotten on the way to the utopian fantasy state. And if you have the right psychology, you too could have a piece of it.

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November 22, 2018, 07:21:03 AM
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I am very disappointed in you because I typed up all of those real-world examples and clarifications only for you to disregard all of them and resort to name-calling.  You didn't even communicate what you had a problem with other than semantics.  You're really going to call someone names over a semantic disagreement?

Why would any of this fit my bias? I grew up in the most capitalist country with capitalist parents and have inherited rental property.  I am an academic, a scientist who seeks to find examples of solutions to the world's social, economic and environmental problems.   I've noticed patterns in my studies and formed my opinions from those.


Because you don't offer reality. All you offer is theories and desires, yet you offer ZERO information regarding HOW you claim we can get there. Also all of your arguments require we just simply ignore the endless history of failures of your ideology and the millions of lives it costs to try it over and over and over again. Socialism INEVITABLY results in a totalitarian state. How am I supposed to argue against a fantasy?
On the previous page, I gave a pretty detailed explanation of how to achieve an economy of workplace democracies where people are free to start their own businesses or join cooperatives and explained how we can get there through Marcora laws, tax reform and education.  I gave examples of cooperatives as well. Any questions?  

On the contrary, I haven't seen one example or explanation of how my ideology of workplace democracy/worker owned means of production has cost millions of lives.  
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November 22, 2018, 07:31:44 AM
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I am very disappointed in you because I typed up all of those real-world examples and clarifications only for you to disregard all of them and resort to name-calling.  You didn't even communicate what you had a problem with other than semantics.  You're really going to call someone names over a semantic disagreement?

Why would any of this fit my bias? I grew up in the most capitalist country with capitalist parents and have inherited rental property.  I am an academic, a scientist who seeks to find examples of solutions to the world's social, economic and environmental problems.   I've noticed patterns in my studies and formed my opinions from those.


Because you don't offer reality. All you offer is theories and desires, yet you offer ZERO information regarding HOW you claim we can get there. Also all of your arguments require we just simply ignore the endless history of failures of your ideology and the millions of lives it costs to try it over and over and over again. Socialism INEVITABLY results in a totalitarian state. How am I supposed to argue against a fantasy?
On the previous page, I gave a pretty detailed explanation of how to achieve an economy of workplace democracies where people are free to start their own businesses or join cooperatives and explained how we can get there through Marcora laws, tax reform and education.  I gave examples of cooperatives as well. Any questions?  

On the contrary, I haven't seen one example or explanation of how my ideology of workplace democracy/worker owned means of production has cost millions of lives.  


No, it was not at all detailed. Also I already responded to each and every one of those points. If you are just going to go around and round in circles I will just start quoting the replies I already made. All you said was about your desires and goals. You described little to nothing about how to get there, and what little was there was poked full of holes. Your argument relies completely upon redefining words as it serves you.

The Ideology of Socialism and Communism has lead to the loss of millions of lives. You don't just get to exclude all the horrible failures of your ideology because "oh it wasn't REAL Communism/Socialism" This is a logical fallacy known as "no true Scotsman".

What about all the lives lost in Holodomor? The Kulaks? Stalin? Lenin? What about under Mao? Pol Pot? Mugabe? Hitler? (he pushed national Socialism)

I guess none of them count right?


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