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March 28, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
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No, this thread was about the need to increase moderation to keep up with the spams and drive-by NSFW attacks, and other janitorial duties. It's just so happens that the higher ups decided to increase the number of moderators as solution to the problem and choose long-standing members like me.

Sorry it seemed to go a bit off-topic in my judgement but then again who am I to criticize when there are mods in this thread regularly?

Yes, for me long-standing is what I meant by established. You guys could also do per section moderation if/when the demand lowers for global mods. ie: French section moderator for someone who spends 99.99999% of his time in the French section.

One thing that may help the moderators' job is a report post button. I know this has been a HUGE success at my main forum, techpowerup.com



the thing I marked by a red square. From what I understand, all (online?) mods get notified by a reported post and my guess is that they can mark it as dealt with when they do their job. They do use a by section moderation, and senior mods are basically global moderators with more power. They are also color coded (red green blue (Adm/S.mod/mod)).

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March 28, 2011, 09:10:37 AM
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I don't think that I should be a mod Tongue  I'm a bit to @.@ crazy for that sort of responsibility.

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This thread is the result of the tragedy of the commons.

Im happy people do such a thankless task who are not me.  Smiley



The bitcoin forum should be for bitcoin discussion not for porn - thats what nsfw.witcoin.com is for lol

Moderation shouldnt = censorship.
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March 28, 2011, 11:44:36 AM
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Moderation shouldnt = censorship.

It doesn't have to but I don't see cleaning up NSFW a censorship.
You're going to hurt the community if people are worried about coming to the forums.
Hell just make a subforum for NSFW and who cares (for the most part) what gets posted there.


I'm on the forums almost all day everyday so I'm not opposed to being a janitor.
I spent a lot of time lurking though before I registered so if you guys want to grab me farther down the road that's fine with me.

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March 28, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
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One thing that may help the moderators' job is a report post button. I know this has been a HUGE success at my main forum, techpowerup.com

There is a working report feature on the Bitcoin forum, though the link is hidden by CSS. Look for the link in the source if you want to report a post.

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March 28, 2011, 08:31:08 PM
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a lot of hassle for now xD I doubt many people will use it if it is hidden in the surce

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=5019.21;msg=XXXXX if anyone was curious

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March 28, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
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How to turn on the "Report to moderator" link in Google Chrome:

1. Install the Personalized Web extension. (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/plcnnpdmhobdfbponjpedobekiogmbco)

2. Go to Tools > Extensions and click Options under Personalized Web.

3. Click "Add New Rule."

4. Under "Rule Name" put whatever you like. (I typed in "Bitcoin Forums.")

5. Under "Match URLs" put ^http://(www.)?bitcoin.org/smf

6. Under "Add CSS" put td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] {display: block !important;}

7. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click Save.

"Report to moderator" will now be visible on all posts.
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March 28, 2011, 11:24:46 PM
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How to turn on the "Report to moderator" link in Google Chrome:

1. Install the Personalized Web extension. (https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/plcnnpdmhobdfbponjpedobekiogmbco)

2. Go to Tools > Extensions and click Options under Personalized Web.

3. Click "Add New Rule."

4. Under "Rule Name" put whatever you like. (I typed in "Bitcoin Forums.")

5. Under "Match URLs" put ^http://(www.)?bitcoin.org/smf

6. Under "Add CSS" put td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] {display: block !important;}

7. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click Save.

"Report to moderator" will now be visible on all posts.

Honestly that's not too much work but I don't think the average person will do it, especially if they don't know about it.
Of course if we have 50 guys with report buttons, hmm call them hall monitors if you want, then the mods will have an easy job.

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March 29, 2011, 12:00:04 AM
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If anyone can come up with CSS that hides the IP address thing without hiding "report to moderator", the site's CSS might be changed.

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March 29, 2011, 12:00:49 AM
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If anyone can come up with CSS that hides the IP address thing without hiding "report to moderator", the site's CSS might be changed.


What is the IP address thing?

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March 29, 2011, 12:15:02 AM
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What is the IP address thing?

The pointless "Logged" text and image:


In Firefox, you can see the "Report to moderator" link by going to View -> Page style -> No style.

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March 29, 2011, 12:24:03 AM
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Why not remove the "Logged" link from the template?
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March 29, 2011, 01:11:51 AM
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This CSS rule will work to show the "report to moderator" link and not the "logged" link:
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] {display: block !important;}
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] img,
td.smalltext[id^="modified_"] + td.smalltext[align="right"][valign="bottom"] .help {display: none !important;}

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March 29, 2011, 02:19:51 AM
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If Bitcoin still needs more moderators, I've been spending a few hours a day on these forums lately, I'd be more than willing to help out!

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March 29, 2011, 04:09:27 AM
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Moderation is based on exercising judgment. What is the science behind that judgment? How can non-moderators verify the application of that science?

Not that I post anything that needs to be moderated, I'm just curious how the science and implementation works.
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March 29, 2011, 02:14:28 PM
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Moderation is based on exercising judgment. What is the science behind that judgment? How can non-moderators verify the application of that science?

Not that I post anything that needs to be moderated, I'm just curious how the science and implementation works.

I'd assume they have rules and try to make them as clearly written as possible.
If something doesn't fit exactly a mod makes a judgement call based on what they feel is in the best interest of the forums / btc.
If one mod gets out of line I'd assume the others (or boards) make it an issue.

Ideally the rules will be decided on by the community.

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March 29, 2011, 02:23:15 PM
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I'd assume they have rules and try to make them as clearly written as possible.

So one of my pet peeves is the United States Legal System.

It has lots of rules.  The problem is nobody can possibly read them all.  And yet "ignorance of the law is no excuse!"

I'm a big fan of a few general, fuzzy rules and common sense.

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March 29, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
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I'd assume they have rules and try to make them as clearly written as possible.

So one of my pet peeves is the United States Legal System.

It has lots of rules.  The problem is nobody can possibly read them all.  And yet "ignorance of the law is no excuse!"

I'm a big fan of a few general, fuzzy rules and common sense.


Gavin, I'm with you on that. When I mean clear I'm talking about normal English and simple maybe not specific.
I agree mods should have plenty of power to decide but if they're shown to be horrible at it they can have their privileges removed.
The most important part though is people can grasp what is and isn't allowed unlike the US Legal System.

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March 29, 2011, 06:00:58 PM
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The two laws of civilization...

1)  Do all that you have agreed to do...

2)  ...and to not encroach upon the person or property of others.


This shall be the whole of the law.

The question is, how does this translate to an Internet forum community?

I've seen other forums that had a section for self (or moderator forced) segregation without outright sensorship or banishment.  Some forums call this NSFW, but some call it "The Thunderdome".  Some members could be confined to posting in those sections for a period of time for flaming, baiting or NSFW posting.  Like being put into a 'penalty box'.

The "common law" of the Internet is widely known these days.  I.E., don't (persistantly) flamebait.  No personal insults.  No words that you wouldn't speak in front of your own children or parents.  No photos that you wouldn't let your children or parents find on your computer.  Nothing that would get the site owner sitting in front of a prosecutor, or even close to that.

I'm not sure if a policy should be written or not, that's up to the site owner.  If a policy is written, I will enforce it to the best of my ability; but even then I think that the mods should have much discretion.

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March 29, 2011, 08:14:50 PM
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Should we figure out how common law works down to a science and then apply it here to prove that it works?
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