Synthetic gold from LENR reactors could drive crypto to insane levels

[AlexGR]

of all the rare metals, Palladium sticks out since it has appreciated more than others and still is relatively close to 2010-2011 highs - while others, like gold silver or platinum, have dropped a lot since then. This anomaly could be coincidence, or some people knowing more than others

http://www.silverdoctors.com/palladium-jumps-to-11-month-high-of-770oz-on-deficit-concerns/#more-39622

"According to Bloomberg Industries analysts Kenneth Hoffman & Oliver Nugent,“any sanctions imposed by the EU and the U.S. on the export of Russian palladium group metals would create a serious supply shortage that may be difficult for industries to replace.”

This year will show the third consecutive deficit year in global palladium supply, according to a BI survey of analysts. Russia provided 44% of global palladium supply and 13.6% of platinum last year, according to Johnson Matthey."

[aminorex]

Bullish on palladium then.  Although I find it difficult to believe that any sort of import/export restrictions on palladium would actually stick.  It's too easily smuggled.

[Valle]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

[AlexGR]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

See the media spin there? How the heck did they generate a title like "nothing useful" from what the nasa scientist said about the generator of another scientist?

NASA said LENR / cold fusion is a fact, it is repeatable, peer reviewed and needs further research / investigation.

Whether Rossi's e-cat works or not has nothing to do with whether people will find uses of LENR/cold fusion, now, or in the future.

[BitchicksHusband]

Yeah, I mean, look what's happened to diamonds now that the supply has gone up and there are synthetics everywhere.  You can get that stuff super...  Wait, what are we talking about?

[Valle]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

See the media spin there? How the heck did they generate a title like "nothing useful" from what the nasa scientist said about the generator of another scientist?

NASA said LENR / cold fusion is a fact, it is repeatable, peer reviewed and needs further research / investigation.

Whether Rossi's e-cat works or not has nothing to do with whether people will find uses of LENR/cold fusion, now, or in the future.

Can you name few another scientists team who reproduced the same e-cat effect not in nasa's or Rossi's team?


There are only few confirmed cold fusion reactions (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) but all these reactions are very far from positive efficiency.

[AlexGR]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

See the media spin there? How the heck did they generate a title like "nothing useful" from what the nasa scientist said about the generator of another scientist?

NASA said LENR / cold fusion is a fact, it is repeatable, peer reviewed and needs further research / investigation.

Whether Rossi's e-cat works or not has nothing to do with whether people will find uses of LENR/cold fusion, now, or in the future.

Can you name few another scientists team who reproduced the same e-cat effect not in nasa's or Rossi's team?

Cold fusion is not about Rossi or e-cat. NASA themselves say they repeatedly get LENR effect from other elements (that Rossi doesn't seem to be working with).

[Valle]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

See the media spin there? How the heck did they generate a title like "nothing useful" from what the nasa scientist said about the generator of another scientist?

NASA said LENR / cold fusion is a fact, it is repeatable, peer reviewed and needs further research / investigation.

Whether Rossi's e-cat works or not has nothing to do with whether people will find uses of LENR/cold fusion, now, or in the future.

Can you name few another scientists team who reproduced the same e-cat effect not in nasa's or Rossi's team?

Cold fusion is not about Rossi or e-cat. NASA themselves say they repeatedly get LENR effect from other elements (that Rossi doesn't seem to be working with).

Even better! Can you name few another scientists who reproduced any LENR effect? (of course not from nasa)

[aminorex]

There are only few confirmed cold fusion reactions (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) but all these reactions are very far from positive efficiency.

No one can reproduce Rossi's device except Rossi, because he maintains components as intellectual property and industrial trade secrets.  He does not care about science in my opinion.  He's trying to deliver a product to market.

Here is a smattering of institutional compilations, peer-reviewed journal and conference papers, encyclopedia articles, review articles, &c demonstrating tritium production, anomalous excess heat generation, &c, in palladium and nickel lattices:

US DIA report on cold fusion, 2009
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BarnhartBtechnology.pdf

Bhabha Atomic Research Center report 1500
http://lenr-canr.org/?page_id=463

Papers by US Navy research at China Lake and SPAWARS including numerous journal and conference reviewed papers:
http://lenr-canr.org/?page_id=952

McKubre's (SRI) forward to the Proc 15th Intl Conf on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHcoldfusionb.pdf

Hagelstein's (MIT) paper in the Proc 11th Conf in Condensed Matter Nuclear Science references 130-odd publications:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinnewphysica.pdf

Krivit, Steven B., "Development of Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction Research," Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia, pg. 481-496, Steven B. Krivit, Editor-in-Chief, Jay H. Lehr, Series Editor, John Wiley & Sons, 978-0-470-89439-2 (Aug. 2011)

Storms, Edmund, "Status of Cold Fusion (2010)," Naturwissenschaften, 97:861–881, (2010)

Krivit, Steven. B., "Nuclear Phenomena in Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction Research," Naturwissenschaften. DOI 10.1007/s00114-013-1080-z, (Aug. 15, 2013)

Storms, Edmund, "Efforts to Explain Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions," Naturwissenschaften, DOI 10.1007/s00114-013-1101-y (Oct. 30, 2013)

Krivit, Steven B, "Cold Fusion - Precursor to Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions,"Encyclopedia of Electrochemical Power Sources, Vol. 2, Juergen Garche, Chris Dyer, Patrick Moseley, Zempachi Ogumi, David Rand and Bruno Scrosati, eds, Amsterdam: Elsevier; Dec. 2009. p. 255–270, ISBN 9780444520937 C

Biberian, Jean-Paul and Armamet, Nicolas, "An update on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (cold fusion)," Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, 33 (1), (2008)

Hubler, Graham K., "Anomalous Effects in Hydrogen-Charged Palladium A Review," Journal of Surface & Coatings Technology, 201 (2007) 85688573 (March 13, 2007)

Srinivasan, Mahadeva, "Observation of Neutrons and Tritium in a Wide Variety of LENR Configurations: BARC Results Revisited," 237th American Chemical Society National Meeting, Salt Lake City, UT (March, 2009)

Srinivasan, M., et al., "Tritium and Excess Heat Generation During Electrolysis of Aqueous Solutions of Alkali Salts With Nickel Cathode," Proceedings of the Third International Conference on Cold Fusion, Nagoya, Japan, Universal Academy Press Inc., Tokyo, Japan, (1992) [Ed: Srinivasan states that he has since withdrawn the excess heat part of the results because he found later that recombination does take place within an open cell, which could account for the excess heat.]

Clarke, Brian W., Oliver, Brian, M., McKubre, Michael, C.H., Tanzella, Francis, Tripodi, Paolo, "Search for 3He and 4He in Arata-Style Palladium Cathodes II: Evidence for Tritium Production," Fusion Science & Technology, 2001. 40: p. 152.

Claytor, Thomas, N, Jackson, D. D. and Tuggle, Dale G., "Tritium Production From a Low Voltage Deuterium Discharge on Palladium and Other Metals," Los Alamos National Laboratory, LAUR#95-2687, August 9, 2002.

Claytor, Thomas N., Schwab, M.J., Thoma, D. J., Teter, D. F. and Tuggle, Dale G., "Tritium Production From Palladium Alloys," Proceedings of the Seventh International Conference on Cold Fusion, Vancouver, Canada, (1998)

lyengar, Padmanabha Krishnagopala, "Cold Fusion Results in BARC Experiments," Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference on Emerging Nuclear Energy Systems, Karlsruhe, Germany, World Scientific, p. 291-295 (July 3-6, 1989)

Packham, Nigel J. C., Wolf, Kevin L., Wass, J. C. , Kainthla, R. C., Bockris, John O'Mara, "Production of Tritium From D2O Electrolysis at a Palladium Cathode," Journal of Electroanalytical Chemistry, Vol. 289, p. 451, (1989)

Szpak, Stanislaw, Mosier-Boss, Pamela A., Boss, Roger D., and Jerry J. Smith,"On the Behavior of the Pd/D System: Evidence for Tritium Production," Fusion Technology, Vol. 33, p. 38, (1998)

Focardi S., Habel R., and Piantelli F., "Anomalous Heat Production in Ni-H Systems," Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 107A, p. 163-167, (1994)

Franco, Foresta Martin, "Siena scopre l' energia pulita Fusione fredda all' italiana?," Corriere Della Sera,  (Feb. 19, 1994)

Notoya, R. et al., "Tritium Generation and Large Excess Heat Evolution by Electrolysis in Light and Heavy Water-Potassium Carbonate Solutions With Nickel Electrodes," Fusion Technology, Vol. 26, p. 179, (Sept. 1994)
Piantelli WIPO/PCT Application 95/20816 (Source) (Jan. 27 1995)

Piantelli European Patent granted #EP0767962 (Patent Granted June 2, 1999. Now expired, renewal fees unpaid) (Other National Phase) (Jan. 27 1995)

Sankaranarayanan, T.K., Srinivasan, M., Bajpai, M.B., and Gupta, D.S., "Evidence for Tritium Generation in Self-Heated Nickel Wires Subjected to Hydrogen Gas Absorption/Desorption Cycles," Proceedings of Fifth International Conference on Cold Fusion, Monte-Carlo, Monaco: IMRA Europe, Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France, (1995)  

Focardi S., Gabbani V., Habel R., Montalbano V., Piantelli F. and Veronesi S., "Status of Cold Fusion in Italy," Siena Workshop, Siena, 24-25 (March 1995)

Focardi S., Gabbani V., Habel R., Montalbano V., Piantelli F. and Veronesi S., [paper name missing], Atti Accad. Fisiocritici, Serie XV, Tomo XV p.109-115, (1996)

Cerron-Zeballos, E., Crotty, I., Hatzifotiadou, D., Lamas Valverde, J., Williams, M.C.S., and Zibichi, A., "Investigation of Anomalous Heat Production in Ni-H Systems," Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 109A, p. 1645-1654, (1996)

Focardi S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F., and Veronesi, S., "Analisi Superficiale Con Mocrosonda X Delle Barrette Metalliche Utilizzate Per La Produzione Anomala Di Energia Negli Esperimenti Di Siena, Atti Acc. Fisiocritici Siena, Serie 15, Tomo 15, p. 109-115, (1996)

Sankaranarayanan, T.K., Srinivasan, M., Bajpai, M.B.,  and Gupta, D.S., "Investigation of Low-level Tritium Generation in Ni-H2O Electrolytic Cells," Fusion Technology, Vol. 30, p. 349, (1996)

Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F. and Veronesi, S., "On the Ni-H System," Asti Workshop in Hydrogen- /Deuterium-Loaded Metals, (27-30 November 1997)

Focardi S., Gabbani V., Habel R., Montalbano V., Piantelli F. and Veronesi S., [paper name missing], Asti Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen/DeuteriumLoaded Metals, Asti, (27-30 November 1997)

Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F. and Veronesi, S., "Large Excess Heat Production in Ni-H Systems," Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 111A, p. 1233-1242, (1998)

Mengoli, G., Bernardini, M., Manducchi, C., and Zannoni, G., "Anomalous Heat Effects Correlated With Electrochemical Hydriding of Nickel," Il Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 20 D, p. 331-352, (1998)

Battaglia, A., Daddi, L., Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F., Sona, P.G., and nesi, S., "Neutron Emission in Ni-H Systems," Nuovo Cimento, Vol. 112 A p. 921-931, (Sept. 1999)

Campari, E. G., Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F., Porcu, E., Tosti E. and Veronesi, S., "Ni-H Systems," Proceedings of the 8th Conference on Cold Fusion, p. 69-74, (2000)

Focardi, S. and Piantelli, F., "Produzione Di Energia E Reazioni Nucleari In Sistemi Ni-H A 400 C," XIX Congresso Nazionale UIT, 2004 (PPT)

Campari, E., Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F., and Veronesi, S., "Overview of H-Ni Systems: Old Experiments and New Setup," 5th Asti Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen- / Deuterium-Loaded Metals, Asti, Italy, (2004)

Campari, E.G., Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F., and Veronesi, F., "Surface Analysis of Hydrogen-Loaded Nickel Alloys," Proceedings of the Eleventh International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, Marseille, France, (2004)

Focardi, S., Gabbani, V., Montalbano, V., Piantelli, F. and Veronesi, S., Focardi, S., et al. "Evidence of Electromagnetic Radiation From Ni-H Systems," Proceedings of the Eleventh International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, Marseille, France, (2004)

[AlexGR]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/01/16/cold-fusion-nasa-says-nothing-useful/

See the media spin there? How the heck did they generate a title like "nothing useful" from what the nasa scientist said about the generator of another scientist?

NASA said LENR / cold fusion is a fact, it is repeatable, peer reviewed and needs further research / investigation.

Whether Rossi's e-cat works or not has nothing to do with whether people will find uses of LENR/cold fusion, now, or in the future.

Can you name few another scientists team who reproduced the same e-cat effect not in nasa's or Rossi's team?

Cold fusion is not about Rossi or e-cat. NASA themselves say they repeatedly get LENR effect from other elements (that Rossi doesn't seem to be working with).

Even better! Can you name few another scientists who reproduced any LENR effect? (of course not from nasa)

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf

Publications up to 2009.

From page6:

2. Positive, peer-reviewed excess heat papers culled from both databases
It has been widely reported in the mass media that cold fusion was never replicated, and that
peer-reviewed papers on cold fusion have not been published. The primary claim made by
Fleischmann and Pons in 1989 was the production of excess heat without chemical changes. This
tally shows that the claim was replicated and reported in the peer-reviewed literature.

This tally includes positive, peer-reviewed papers describing excess heat experimental results
only. It does not include things such as: negative papers describing null results; papers describing
tritium or other effects but not heat; theory papers; or non-peer reviewed papers published by
national laboratories, corporations and in conference proceedings.

Papers reporting both excess heat and also tritium, neutrons and other effects are included in
this tally.

The titles are culled from both the Britz and LENR-CANR database.

Totals from this tally include:

153 papers
49 journals
348 authors and co-authors
62 principle authors
51 affiliations of principal authors

There are 62 principal authors (Table 2). Altogether they have 51 affiliations, because a few
authors come from the same laboratory, such as Kainthla and Lin, who were graduate students
with Bockris at Texas A&M U. In some cases, multiple laboratories in the same institution are
listed, such as Hokkaido U., Catalysis Res. Center and Hokkaido U., Engineering Dept.
Researchers from these two laboratories worked and published independently of one another.
The 51 affiliations are laboratories at universities, national laboratories and corporations.

However, researchers from many more than 51 institutions contributed to this set of papers. I
only tallied the first author’s affiliation, not those of coauthors. Many experiments are
collaborations between researchers from two or three laboratories. For example, Melvin Miles of
China Lake sent samples to be tested for helium to the University of Texas and the Bureau of
Mines. He also collaborated and co-authored papers with researchers at the NRL, the Nuclear
Safety Department of E.G.&G. and elsewhere.

As noted above, this tally is of peer-reviewed papers only. Many more papers have been
published in non-peer reviewed sources. Some of the positive papers in this non-reviewed
literature are, in my opinion, better researched and better written than that the average peer-
reviewed paper, especially speculative peer-reviewed papers. Noteworthy non-peer reviewed
5 6papers include Claytor et al. and the Miles and Johnson. They deserve to be published.
Therefore, these numbers are more of an indication of how much journal editors resist publishing
papers about cold fusion than a comprehensive tally.

[aminorex]

Some papers on neutron & x-ray detection and elemental transmutation:

Iwamura, Yasuhiro, Sakano, Mitsuru, and Itoh, Takehiko, "Elemental Analysis of Pd Complexes: Effects of D2 Gas Permeation," Japanese Journal of Applied Physics A, Vol. 41, p. 4642-4650 (2002)

Higashiyama, Taichi, Sakano, Mitsuru, Miyamaru, Hiroyuki and Takahashi, Akito, "Replication of Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Transmutation Experiment By D2 Gas Permeation Through Pd Complex," Proceedings of the Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion, Cambridge, Mass., (2003)

Mo, Da Wei, Cai, Qing Sheng, Wang, Li Min, and Wang, Shou Zhong, "The Evidence of Nuclear Transmutation Phenomena in Pd-H System Using NAA (Neutron Activation Analysis)," Proceedings of the Seventh International Conference on Cold Fusion, Vancouver, Canada, April 19-24, 1998; ENECO, Inc.: Salt Lake City, UT, 1998.

Cirillo, Domenicao, Germano, Roberto, Tontodonato, V., Widom, Allan, Srivastava, Yogendra, Del Giudice, Emilio, and Vitiello, G., “Experimental Evidence of a Neutron Flux Generation in a Plasma Discharge Electrolytic Cell,” Key Engineering Materials 495 pp 104 - 107 (2012)

Cirillo, Domenico, "Slow Neutron Generation by Plasma Excitation in Electrolytic Cell," Transactions of the American Nuclear Society, Vol. 107, ISSN 0003-018x, p. 418-421, (2012)

Mosier-Boss, Pamela A., Szpak, Stanislaw, Gordon, Frank E. and Forsley, Larry P.G., "Characterization of Tracks in CR-39 Detectors Obtained as a Result of Pd/D Co-deposition," European Physical Journal, Applied Physics, 46, 30901, DOI: 10.1051/epjap/2009067, (17 April, 2009)

Lipson, Andrei G., Roussetski, Alexei S., Miley, George H., Castano, Carlos H., "In-Situ Charged Particles and X-Ray Detection in Pd Thin Film-Cathodes During Electrolysis in Li2SO4/H2O," Proceedings of the Ninth International Conference on Cold Fusion, Beijing, China, (2002)

Biberian, Jean-Paul and Armanet, Nicolas, "Excess Heat During Diffusion of Deuterium Through Palladium," Proceedings of The 13th International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, Sochi, Russia, (2007)

[Valle]

Cool, thanks! Problem is that I asked for people OTHER than Rossi and people who work with him. Nasa's papers also doesn't count. I checked that most links are from Rossi's team or have "scientific reports" like "if it's true, it would be cool" :-)

What is relationship between lenr and x-ray detection?

[Valle]

And please don't send me more "links to truth" I know how to use google to find even better examples of fake science. I especially like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_field_(pseudoscience) scam. I believe it's highly related :-)

[aminorex]

Cool, thanks! Problem is that I asked for people OTHER than Rossi and people who work with him. Nasa's papers also doesn't count. I checked that most links are from Rossi's team or have "scientific reports" like "if it's true, it would be cool" :-)

What is relationship between lenr and x-ray detection?

Nuclear reactions generate particles and release energy.  X-Rays are energy.  There are both nuclear and non-nuclear sources of x-rays.  They can sometimes be distinguished.

The references are from a general bibliography of selected interesting papers on the subject.  Some are replications of others' work.  Some are seminal.  Some are low quality.  A large proportion include evidence of nuclear reactions in palladium or nickel.  Being Italian does not mean you are a collaborator of Rossi's.  Being a collaborator of Rossi's does not impugn your scientific work, if you are one.  My Erdös number is 6.  I receive none of Erdös' reputation for it, nor does it make me a better graph theorist.

There is one major international conference, ICCF, every year since ca. 1990.  Perhaps a hundred researchers, mostly condensed matter physicists, attend each year, and they may be a quarter of the academics working on cold fusion, with again that number in industrial and military labs.

Why do I waste time on trolls?  Because the request was a reasonable and useful one.  Perhaps not for the troll, but for others.

[Lloydie]

Cool, thanks! Problem is that I asked for people OTHER than Rossi and people who work with him. Nasa's papers also doesn't count. I checked that most links are from Rossi's team or have "scientific reports" like "if it's true, it would be cool" :-)

What is relationship between lenr and x-ray detection?

Celani has a very low powered fusion machine. Demonstrated at national instruments.

[Valle]

btw, I invented a cold fusion reactor too, like iron man ;-) I showed it to my wife near NASA. It works on THC and psilocybe molecules colliding and even glows green when you put it inside chest ;-)



^And I've just created a scientific publication about it^

ps sorry, cannot give you more details - it's intellectual property and industrial trade secret, you know. But I can upload a video on youtube.

[varakunai]

Interesting Thread.  As far as the main topic goes, i don't think LENR will be a major factor in the BTC value, but not because i don't think it has a future.  I think by the time LENR can produce enough to affect the market, the "acceptance growth" phase for BTC will be long over. 

It is my personal theory only, one made by long talks and bong hits, but i think there will be a phase in BTC where banks and government final take the stance of "if you can't beat them, join them"  This won't be a fast jump, but over a period of 5-10 years, btc will become mainstream and it usage, scarity, and value will all increase as a result.

After which there will be strong resistance to a large drop, because so many people will not want to sell at a loss.  There will also be the understanding of increasing scarcity, which as a society we still haven't been able to grasp.  After the reward half two more times, the banks and governemt will see the value scarcity adds to crypto currency and i believe that will be the catalyst to my "acceptance growth" phase.

We're all still stuck in our easter island phase.  We use because it is profitable and easy to produce.  And i feel like rare earth elements, and fake human labour will continue to be easy to produce.  It won't be until it is the need resources, (water, food, shelter) become scare will we finally pay our dues, and hopefully learn our lesson.  Which i think will happen in the 50-75 year range. 

After this point i think crypto will be fully matured and the price will be to the moon.  Hopefully some of my great, great grandkids still have some.

[AlexGR]

LENR can have a dual effect in the price of BTC (as the ratio between gold quantity and BTC quantity changes):

1) Synthetic gold = more gold
2) Cheap energy = more gold (as the main cost in gold extraction is energy cost)

Even if #1 is expensive or impossible, #2 is a serious possibility for inflating the above ground gold quantities.

Gold and silver inflation have happened in the past when new rich-deposits were discovered but what changed was usually the silver/gold ratio (as these two were the only type of money).

Last but not least (LENR aside) there is also the possibility of new mining techniques, new extraction techniques (extraction from black sand or ores) or new capabilities of mining ground (even underseas) which can also inflate gold quantities.

[leopard2]

Yeah, I mean, look what's happened to diamonds now that the supply has gone up and there are synthetics everywhere.  You can get that stuff super...  Wait, what are we talking about?

just that synthetic diamonds are different from natural ones

gold atoms are always the same so there will be no difference between syntetic or natural gold