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September 11, 2018, 04:24:05 PM
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I think I can feel your pain. I have read through this thread thus far. It is intended to make the junior ranks like me to get a good understanding of the forum, yet all the comments are coming from the higher ranks. It is really saddening in deed.

Please do not change your mind on the academy and any other project you have to help make us grow in this forum. I have not come across the link to the thread you referred to. Please if you can post it here I will appreciate.

It will make a great impact to be evaluated by great members like you.

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September 11, 2018, 04:36:15 PM
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I'm wondering if any new members started off lurking like I did.  I was reading stuff on bitcointalk for months before I actually created an account, and this is in 2014 or so when the whole Mt. Gox situation was unfolding.  I have a feeling that most noobs haven't started off this way, that they've heard about the altcoin bounties and come straight here for that.

Because they've done no reading, they jump in without knowing anything about the rules of the forum or of the culture.  They think this is a work-from-home website, and then they're surprised when they get banned or negged or don't rank up because they can't get merits. 

So Jet Cash, as I've said before, your expectations are way too high.  You're doing a good job by trying to help the noobs, but in the end you're going to keep being disappointed.  I have very low expectations from people, so I'm rarely shocked by the idiotic BS that you mentioned.  I do think members ought to have the common sense not to keep quoting huge infographics or gigantic blocks of text.  What can you do.

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September 11, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
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I'm wondering if any new members started off lurking like I did.  I was reading stuff on bitcointalk for months before I actually created an account ! 

I have done this too , was just reading in 2014 and 2015 before i created my real Account here in 2016 !


             
                           
                     
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September 11, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
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I really do appreciate your efforts for the system. Yeah as i read the thread i kinda sad too that they are ignoring your good efforts to put up a good community and healthy environment for this forum. I always look up on you since you are in hero or full member account and wishing that i might get some merits before. This is the way i see you before a merit giver but now after some time i realize that it is not all about the merits. This is all about learning and i have started already my small scale investment with btc with hard earn money i have. As bounty hunter also it is so hard to get merit to rank up but at least for now i realize that behind my effort to earn there is still someone like you whom efforts that one should be rewarded and not the likes of me. Do not be sad because you have our support here.

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September 12, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
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The problem is probably 95%+ of people signing up here are doing so just for bounties and the majority of them are clueless. They've just been thrown in at the deep-end by someone telling them they can get paid to post here.

I think the real problem is not in the bounty. If we can participate in the bounty, we can also post constructive posts, which does not affect the forum.
As a newcomer, I also want to earn extra income through the bounty, but when I look at the bounty section, it makes me a headache, countless Twitter/Facebook links, in a 100-page post, at least 90 pages are full of these links.
I think it’s time to ban Twitter/Facebook’s bounties, or to use a Google Forms report instead of replying to the bounty thread.

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September 12, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
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I think it’s time to ban Twitter/Facebook’s bounties, or to use a Google Forms report instead of replying to the bounty thread.
There are already some smart bounty managers that uses Google form as a way of reporting status of their participants "Twitbooks report" (those massive links that we can see in bounties) but seems like even though it is much better to use Google form to somehow lessen spam posts, most of those bounty managers still want their participants to post the links of their reports. Maybe because they also want their bounty thread to be bumped by spammer.

About banning Twitter and Facebook, well I've no idea if it will be a good move. No comments for now.

Oops. Sorry for the off-topic.


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September 12, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
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Well, apparently i can not suggest anything to your project but i just want to tell you guys about my story. I made a Telegram group for members in my local board to learn and talk in English in April I guess. Got around 50 members and around first week it is so active, but the activity is decreased over time. Then at some point there were never any talks on the group. After several month, today i decided to delete the group because it doesnt active anymore and no one seems want to learn and talk in English.

Thats the reality of some members of this forum. I am sad and angry at the same time.


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This means that a lot of people are desperate for income, and Bitcoin Talk has become known as the Golden Fountain.


Certainly yes, some people subscribe to the forum to earn some bitcoin, some people subscribe to learn something about the bitcoin and the cryptomarket, but difficultly at this time in when the Bitcoin is low and google trends reports has bitcoin in very low spot on the top list.
Hardly people sign up now when Bitcoin turns out not to be searched on google!
+25% accounts is too high and beyond reality, I can believe that AT LEAST a 90% of this 25% is made up of bots and multi-accounts.


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As a newbie I appreciate every topic delivered on this bitcoin talk. I am still trying to convey the best. Thank you for your topic, because it has motivated me.
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Well, apparently i can not suggest anything to your project but i just want to tell you guys about my story. I made a Telegram group for members in my local board to learn and talk in English in April I guess. Got around 50 members and around first week it is so active, but the activity is decreased over time. Then at some point there were never any talks on the group. After several month, today i decided to delete the group because it doesnt active anymore and no one seems want to learn and talk in English.

Thats the reality of some members of this forum. I am sad and angry at the same time.
Yeah I feel the same way in our local, and I am also planning to create a social media group or a telegram group only for active and quality members in our local to help me spread knowledge about cruyptocurrency and to give reminders for newbie/ noobs who are fan of shitposting. I also wanted to help for the betterment of this forum starting in our local and giving them encouragement to post with some quality. But then, upon reading your reply I decided not to create as it will just be a dead group soon.
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I am also planning to create a social media group or a telegram group only for active and quality members in our local to help me spread knowledge about cryptocurrency and to give reminders for newbie/ noobs who are fan of shitposting.

Count me in Smiley Let's start that, but I doubt rickbig41 will allow us to have that Smiley

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Regarding  your sites I would advise you to keep them, domains are cheap and hosting is free (considering that you probably host sites on unlimited hosting. And if you don't have unlimited hosting, I'm sure some of your friends have. Or even I can host your sites for free)

Regarding "Economic survival" - it's really hard to establish new forums these days without lots of active communities.

Few months ago I was observing the rise of one blockchain forums, but when the owner ran out of money for paying people to communicate there - the activity fell almost to 0...
Also many years ago I developed and managed literature forum (social networks were not so popular those days so it was easier) and i remember how hard was it.

but I would advise you to keep domains, may be later you will create something else there

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September 13, 2018, 02:45:50 PM
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Regarding  your sites I would advise you to keep them, domains are cheap and hosting is free (considering that you probably host sites on unlimited hosting.

I've got over 500 .coms, and a few .nets. So I need to sell some of them, especially the .nets. ( does anybody want FU2.net for example?).

The wise accountant idea is really to help me to invest in some selected alts, and I haven't done much research yet. It's a bit difficult to chat about them on the boards here, and any public recommendation is likely to result in a price increase, and this will reduce profitability. Hence my idea of having private discussions. I don't want to create a group investment plan either, doing that would mean that I have to share the profits. Smiley It is far better in my opinion to have individual investments made on group discussions. That way you can control the speculation to suit your own circumstances.

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We need a Beginners and Help board for the alt coin section. The current bitcoin one is being swamped by the same old crap being asked about ALT coin related subjects. We also need to get the Newbie/Welcome message initiated which I suggested


In Reddit /Bitcoin there is an automatic script that automatically deletes your post if it mentions any altcoin.

I believe we could have something similar here in all bitcoin boards (beginners, technical support and discussion, mining etc). If it mentions eth, ethereum, token, eyc, this post is automatically deleted and the user receives a pm telling h that he post mentioned an altcoin and it should be posted in the altcoin session.

This would help clean our boards a little be with zero effort from moderator or ADM


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September 13, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
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I'm wondering if any new members started off lurking like I did.  I was reading stuff on bitcointalk for months before I actually created an account,
You sure had a different orientation from what is obtainable today. In my case, I got to know much about this forum when I joined a campaign managed by Sylon. He had a "stringent" requirement that your posts will only count is some boards. So to meet up with that requirement, I started discovering other threads like meta, economics, beginners, politics, etc.

I then took the time to read through the beginners' thread. It was there my whole understanding of this beautiful platform changed. If there is a way new members will be confined to post based on questions and answers from the beginners' board, it will go a long way toward shaping the quality of new members. I hope this is what Jet Cash want to establish. It will be a nice project.

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You cannot teach someone unless they want to learn themselves, and that is what they don't want. The only reason for them to come on the forum is to reach Jr. member and start participating in bounties in order to earn a few bucks every week/month/year. It is very rare now a days to find a user who joined the forum for only learning purposes and he doesn't have any financial plans in his mind to be discovered on the forum. It is very difficult, or may I say impossible, to teach such people to behave themselves and do what is right for the whole community. If you start trying to do that, disappointment would probably be a thing that you would encounter a lot in your way.

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September 13, 2018, 05:50:57 PM
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It is very rare now a days to find a user who joined the forum for only learning purposes and he doesn't have any financial plans in his mind to be discovered on the forum.

These are the members we should be encouraging. The Jet Cash name issue has made me rethink quite a few things, and there are some possibilities. I installed a ticket system on Talk Merit for new and junior members, but only one person has ever used that. I propose to delete that ticket system, and replace it with a more comprehensive system using Hesk. This includes the ability to build a knowledge base. and I can use this to route enquirers to relevant Bitcoin Talk threads. One difficulty that newer members seem to have is navigating the forum to find information. This task is fairly simple for experienced members, but must be hard for newbies when faced with a sea of spam posts.

I'll post a link in my signature when the system is usable.

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It is very rare now a days to find a user who joined the forum for only learning purposes and he doesn't have any financial plans in his mind to be discovered on the forum.
These are the members we should be encouraging.

And what do you think about idea - to read, read, scroll the forum and find members whom you like and encourage them personally?
The forum is so big so even people who want to be encouraged might just didn't know about any of your incentive.


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And what do you think about idea - to read, read, scroll the forum and find members whom you like and encourage them personally?
The forum is so big so even people who want to be encouraged might just didn't know about any of your incentive.


There is an old adage about horses, water and drinking. I want to encourage the foals who will become race horses, and not the donkeys who dig in their hooves and demand free carrots. Smiley

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There is an old adage about horses, water and drinking. I want to encourage the foals who will become race horses, and not the donkeys who dig in their hooves and demand free carrots. Smiley

Yes but you don't expect horses to come to you, you'll need to find them, to make assumption which horses can become race horses, which horses are rare (i.e. have some unique expertise, and not necessarily in blockchain, it might be knowledge of rare language), etc.

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