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Question: Do you think more trustworthy merit sources need to be added?
Yes - 39 (88.6%)
No - 5 (11.4%)
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September 16, 2018, 08:55:39 AM
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~if there are 100, 1000 or 10000 merit sources there shouldn't be any catastrophic consequences. However you get the big advantage of having more eyes looking around~
The problem will be oversight. With 1000 merit sources, it will be virtually impossible for Admin to keep an eye on them. One or more rogue merit sources can result in spammers ranking up again.
10,000 merit sources are too many, do not need so many merit sources, I think 1000 is enough, I have a good suggestion, if there are more merit sources, whether to consider Public merit sources, then all the forums members will naturally supervise them. If find out that they have abused, we can report to the administrator to cancel their merit sources, and DT members will also give it a red trust.

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September 16, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
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Yes, for sure, as part of the solution (I can for once spare you all from a lengthy explanation since I have already done so on another recent thread). The only thing I would add here is that we may need to take a bit of risks in the appointment of Merit Sources in benefit of the majority, albeit it being a trust related concern in principle.

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September 16, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
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Everybody knows there's not enough merit sources (apart from the three that said no) and more and more will need to be added over time, but if theymos isn't going to be restoring accounts then I doubt he's going to be that active in adding more merit sources either and almost certainly won't be able to keep up with demand. If so, he should probably grant some staff or even trusted members of the community the ability to add them, or make more admins who can do this. We could even put them up to a vote between certain members of the community once someone requests to be a source. They could all vet the user and check for any signs of merit abuse and then put it to a vote. If the community votes yes then they could either be made a source by whoever has access to that if that power is granted to others or the info passed on to theymos to add them.

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September 16, 2018, 10:18:29 AM
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Yes we need more sources, we added 4-5 on last 2 months but the overall merit is decreasing more and more this means that most of them are no longer active for whatever reason, busy on real life, they don't have time, they don't care anymore about it, they don't find posts.

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September 16, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
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I would love to check the opinion of the community regarding this subject. I think more trustworthy merit sources would be good for the system but maybe some people don’t think so.

So, I’ve opened a poll and let’s see what happens.


My answer is YES but do you think your and my concerns makes any difference? We are here making pages of pages topics/comments and the person who has the real power to pick up merit sources is very much silent. Not only picking merit sources but also with most of the things that need attentions. I get it that running a forum of few hundred thousands active members is hard but if someone makes it harder for themselves then what could we do?


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I guess we are making theymos paranoid with all these suggestions/data etc. Pretty soon I will be silent to give him some space (from my side of-course). Concerning about the forum seems waste of time.

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September 16, 2018, 02:07:57 PM
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I see that some people voted for the “no” option. It’s a pity that they didn’t express their opinion on the thread.  Cry

It is like hit and run, right? I guess if they do share some of their opinion, there would be a great deal of discussion going around here.

If so, he should probably grant some staff or even trusted members of the community the ability to add them, or make more admins who can do this.

Couldn't agree more with you hilarious. Theymos should give this kind of authority to a person who can help him in this merit matters. I believe the authority is not as high as giving someone the ability to restore account, because it is a different job, way different, so i think it is not a problem if Theymos give this "merit sources authority" to some trusted person/member.

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September 16, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
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Voted yes, but I do not mind if they are being left as it is now.

I do not think chasing ranks is a good thing in general, nor motivation to be an active user and to contribute in whatever way you want/can should necessarily be justified by receiving 'points'. Good posters are being merited and will continue to be rewarded regardless of the volume and quantity of merit sources.

I have a slightly different/crazy idea though,..what about instead of increasing merit sources to actually cut them in half to 40 or 50. The main complaint to some of them is that they are not active enough, regardless of the reasons. How about giving 30% or 50% more sMerits to those active ones? I've noticed that by the end of each month certain MS of are being left without sMerits to give, that would definitely help.

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September 16, 2018, 03:43:08 PM
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It's better to have more eyes on the game field than less in order to increase chances of decent posts being spotted, as well as counterbalance inactivity periods that sources may have.

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September 16, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
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Definitely we need more merit.sources so that jr.membera like us will be able to get at least a member rank. It is so hard to rank now because if merit system thus required as to get 10 merits to rank. This task is difficult because i am not good in english at the same time i only post on what i wanted to express here in the forum and not that good poster like others.
Have you tried electing someone for your local board to become a merit source? Maybe you need to talk to some other people of your local section who are active and willing to take part in a voting? I know its difficult for the non-english posters to gather merits in the English sections but the easy solution to that is to decide among yourselves a local merit source who can take up this responsibility.

It's a good idea adding more merit sources but having more merit sources than right now will be the same as it is because it's not up to merit sources alone to reward merit but the poster also as posters are the one to receive or earn his/her reward.
Thanks for pointing this out because this post of yours is a perfect example of the generic posts that dont deserve any merits.

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September 16, 2018, 05:30:13 PM
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It's better to have more eyes on the game field than less in order to increase chances of decent posts being spotted

I don't necessarily agree, more people/eyes does not guarantee you good posts being seen/acted upon.

But sure does mean more work for theymos to select/approve and monitor these new merit sources.

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September 16, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
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Yes but only if they give merits to people who actually deserve and need them.
Tired of seeing legendaries sending merits to other legendaries, or members sending them to theymos or to bounty managers. There's no point doing that.

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September 16, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
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Does anyone think giving out more sMerits per good post would help?  If I'm not mistaken, merit sources get topped up pretty quickly so giving out 5-7 merits for a good post shouldn't put much of a ding in their supply. 

I think a better idea would be to create more merit sources and thereby keep the system as decentralized as possible, but as theymos seems uninterested in adding new sources, this is maybe the best idea in the meantime.

5-7 in place of 1 seems excessive, however. Perhaps the sources who regularly have lots of merit left at the end of a month should just double how much they would have given.

Merit sources should try to send out all of their source sMerits. There is no reason to not do that, given the nearly unanimous concern about merit shortage and the onset of merit apathy. If that requires lowering some standards or increasing the number of merits per post... well, it's a tough first world problem but I have faith in you guys and gals.

Adding more merit sources is a different issue, and yes that needs to happen too. But it won't help if we keep hoarding those sMerits.

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September 16, 2018, 06:36:31 PM
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Yes but only if they give merits to people who actually deserve and need them.
Tired of seeing legendaries sending merits to other legendaries, or members sending them to theymos or to bounty managers. There's no point doing that.
The Merit system is working just fine! What you call "people who need them", I call spammers. They are the reason we have the Merit system, and it's designed so they won't rank up.
To me, it doesn't matter whether or not someone "needs" Merit, I give Merit if the post is worth it.

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September 16, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
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Thanks to DdmrDdmr's post(and similar topics) I think we the data proves that their is really a decline in merits being sent on a weekly basis, and the quickest solution here is by adding more merit sources to satisfy the growing demand for merits, I am not saying that people needs to rank up fast but the data really proves that merits being awarded each week is declining. The more merits being produce and the more often normal users will receive merits will mean that normal users will not hoard their merits and share it to the public knowing that it is the right thing to do, it would simply boost their confidence as they know their worthy post is now being rewarded as they should.

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