Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread

[tmike]

Welcome, feel free to post what you think about Biblepay here.

[thesnat21]

Thanks t-Mike..

For those who have felt censored this is a more open forum.  

this is not an "OFFICIAL" thread, but it's started/run by folks who care about the coin and having real discussions that cannot take place in the official thread.

[sunk818]

I went ahead and cross posted it here since I know there's a good chance this will be deleted by Rob A.

The webarchive version is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180917003051/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.10200

I never comingled a penny of orphanage funds.

Perhaps we have different definitions. If you receive 8.6M to BB2 then send it to your BD7, this technically is sending payment to Orphan Foundation. But this is just one step away to commingling with personal funds.

https://explorer.biblepay-central.org/tx/f9fd0a104f0df35b6f40d2a4c153b6875ab28c34b9df83ea57797c7a7a655fb5

On Aug 31, 8.6M was disbursed. On Sep 8, you moved them to BD7. Along with 70+ inputs that are you masternodes, you went ahead and created several more masternodes from those funds.

#1 No one asked you pre-sell BBP.
#2 No one asked you break apart your masternodes

If keep a separate wallet exclusively for Compassion funding and don't mix it with your personal BBP, that's the cleanest way for people to perceive there's nothing shady going on.

[thesnat21]

For those with masternodes:
YOUR VOTE COUNTS.

Currently Rob(aka biblepay) seems to have 84 ACTIVE masternodes he votes with.  

With these numbers, he controls roughly 1/3 the ACTIVE masternodes and 2/3 of the VOTING masternodes.


As of today he has effectively wiped out the "NO" votes for the team requirement proposal.

Please participate, just like anything your vote matters.

Summary:
 Total Votes: 120  Votes Yes: 78 No : 40 Final: 38
Robs Votes: 40  Votes Yes: 40 No : 0 Final: 40

Code:

eef54b66ff684f5838963f4b42331c26afe2d11e44f6934e3591f78908c5e9d5
Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:26:33 -0500  -  Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:26:33 -0500
Remove BOINC team requirement to participate in BiblePay
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:20 -0500raw: 1536000440
Rob: voted:  YES  Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:25 -0500raw: 1535642365
Rob: voted:  YES  Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:09 -0500raw: 1535642349
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:22 -0500raw: 1536000442
Rob: voted:  YES  Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:21:06 -0500raw: 1535595666
Rob: voted:  YES  Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:21:05 -0500raw: 1535595665
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:56 -0500raw: 1536684896
Rob: voted:  YES  Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:08 -0500raw: 1535642348
Rob: voted:  YES  Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:10 -0500raw: 1535642350
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:25 -0500raw: 1536000445
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:24 -0500raw: 1536000444
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:26 -0500raw: 1536000446
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:26 -0500raw: 1536000446
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:27 -0500raw: 1536000447
Rob: voted:  YES  Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:29 -0500raw: 1536000449
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 04 Sep 2018 13:46:22 -0500raw: 1536086782
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:29 -0500raw: 1536684869
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:30 -0500raw: 1536684870
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:32 -0500raw: 1536684872
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:33 -0500raw: 1536684873
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:34 -0500raw: 1536684874
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:34 -0500raw: 1536684874
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:35 -0500raw: 1536684875
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:37 -0500raw: 1536684877
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:39 -0500raw: 1536684879
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:40 -0500raw: 1536684880
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:53 -0500raw: 1536684893
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:54 -0500raw: 1536684894
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:55 -0500raw: 1536684895
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:55 -0500raw: 1536684895
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:58 -0500raw: 1536684898
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:59 -0500raw: 1536684899
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:53 -0500raw: 1536922193
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:51 -0500raw: 1536922191
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:54 -0500raw: 1536922194
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:57 -0500raw: 1536922197
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:58 -0500raw: 1536922198
Rob: voted:  YES  Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:32 -0500raw: 1536684872
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:56 -0500raw: 1536922196
Rob: voted:  YES  Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:56 -0500raw: 1536922196

His other new pet feature:

a47400f3afc64f31531ce8bc7d02847366106a2cd9ac6509fa4d5f98ba4808c1
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:13:11 -0500  -  Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:13:11 -0500
Should we implement Quantitative Tightening in BiblePay?
Rob: voted:  YES  Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:43:03 -0500raw: 1537105383
Rob: voted:  YES  Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:12:21 -0500raw: 1537056741
 Total Votes: 2 Votes Yes: 2 No : 0 Final: 2
 Robs Votes: 2  Votes Yes: 2 No : 0 Final: 2

[jaapgvk]

I went ahead and cross posted it here since I know there's a good chance this will be deleted by Rob A.

The webarchive version is here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180917003051/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.10200

I never comingled a penny of orphanage funds.

Perhaps we have different definitions. If you receive 8.6M to BB2 then send it to your BD7, this technically is sending payment to Orphan Foundation. But this is just one step away to commingling with personal funds.

https://explorer.biblepay-central.org/tx/f9fd0a104f0df35b6f40d2a4c153b6875ab28c34b9df83ea57797c7a7a655fb5

On Aug 31, 8.6M was disbursed. On Sep 8, you moved them to BD7. Along with 70+ inputs that are you masternodes, you went ahead and created several more masternodes from those funds.

#1 No one asked you pre-sell BBP.
#2 No one asked you break apart your masternodes

If keep a separate wallet exclusively for Compassion funding and don't mix it with your personal BBP, that's the cleanest way for people to perceive there's nothing shady going on.

Could it be that the pre-selling is partly because Compassion has to be paid before a certain date each month and the superblock has some variation in terms of it's date?

[thesnat21]

Could it be that the pre-selling is partly because Compassion has to be paid before a certain date each month and the superblock has some variation in terms of it's date?

He said on the BBP forum that it was because of price.

[616westwarmoth]

Could it be that the pre-selling is partly because Compassion has to be paid before a certain date each month and the superblock has some variation in terms of it's date?

I support the coin and Rob too, but motive on pre-selling is not an excuse for:

1) Lack of disclosure
2) Insults when questioned about something so vital to the mission of the coin

I personally believe Rob did not financially benefit from this and did this in the best interest of the charitable funds that were raised, but there needs to be far more disclosure for the community at large to take us seriously.  It's small incidents like this that make it more understandable why we're viewed by some critics as a scam coin.  However, I do believe the records support our charitable expenditures and the critics are incorrect, but any ammunition for them such as this is not good.

[cuarc001]

I gave up on this coin when the lead dev (Rob) threatened to label me a satanist because I had a difference in opinion. He also thinks he ran a "successful" BOINC project in the past. In his eyes it may have been "successful". In the eyes of the BOINC community it was poorly ran and never addressed some major issues it had. An example is hard coding the BOINC data directory into your app. This is unnecessary as the BOINC client handles this. Many BOINC users deliberately move the data directory elsewhere to avoid things like apps taking too much storage or too much IO usage on the primary disk. His app was buggy and would balloon on multiple hosts with different OS's. I saw it multiple times taking up several GB's of space which it would not release without manually deleting. He refused to fix the issues the project had. And he tried to punish those that spoke out. One of the worst projects I ever contributed to and I've supported well over 100 of them.  

I personally do not trust him.

[tmike]

I gave up on this coin when the lead dev (Rob) threatened to label me a satanist because I had a difference in opinion. He also thinks he ran a "successful" BOINC project in the past. In his eyes it may have been "successful". In the eyes of the BOINC community it was poorly ran and never addressed some major issues it had. An example is hard coding the BOINC data directory into your app. This is unnecessary as the BOINC client handles this. Many BOINC users deliberately move the data directory elsewhere to avoid things like apps taking too much storage or too much IO usage on the primary disk. His app was buggy and would balloon on multiple hosts with different OS's. I saw it multiple times taking up several GB's of space which it would not release without manually deleting. He refused to fix the issues the project had. And he tried to punish those that spoke out. One of the worst projects I ever contributed to and I've supported well over 100 of them.  

I personally do not trust him.

I'm sorry that happened to you. His attitude towards some of us has caused a lot of anger, sadness, and some division. I hope you know that God loves you whether you are a Christian or not and that we are sticking around to see more people in need be helped.

-Mike

[sunk818]

Could it be that the pre-selling is partly because Compassion has to be paid before a certain date each month and the superblock has some variation in terms of it's date?

Yes, I believe this is true. Being that months in the year is anywhere between 28 to 31 days, I can see the Compassion sponsorship and monthly distribution will have flux.

You can still sell BBP after you receive it without ever involving your personal wallet addresses. You can also build a buffer like BiblePay has already done with Compassion. The buffer is there so you have some wiggle room for BBP volatility, and other external factors such as monthly superblocks and # of days in a month change.

I want to be clear that even though Rob makes it personal, I've never insulted in personally. I only criticize the process and wish to bring more people to BiblePay by having a process newcomers can understand and trust. Rob's a brilliant guy. I wish he made an effort to receive criticism with an open heart and play nicely with others.

[cuarc001]

I gave up on this coin when the lead dev (Rob) threatened to label me a satanist because I had a difference in opinion. He also thinks he ran a "successful" BOINC project in the past. In his eyes it may have been "successful". In the eyes of the BOINC community it was poorly ran and never addressed some major issues it had. An example is hard coding the BOINC data directory into your app. This is unnecessary as the BOINC client handles this. Many BOINC users deliberately move the data directory elsewhere to avoid things like apps taking too much storage or too much IO usage on the primary disk. His app was buggy and would balloon on multiple hosts with different OS's. I saw it multiple times taking up several GB's of space which it would not release without manually deleting. He refused to fix the issues the project had. And he tried to punish those that spoke out. One of the worst projects I ever contributed to and I've supported well over 100 of them.  

I personally do not trust him.

I'm sorry that happened to you. His attitude towards some of us has caused a lot of anger, sadness, and some division. I hope you know that God loves you whether you are a Christian or not and that we are sticking around to see more people in need be helped.

-Mike

Oh I'm aware God still loves me. I just want others to know what kind of person he is. I don't see a "Godly" man going around threatening to label others as "satanists" simply because they disagree with him or dislike some of the behavior he may have been a part of...

If the team membership requirement was removed, I would return. However, I have a strong sense of dedication to my team and will not switch simply because HE is mimicing Gridcoins marketing success. However, what he should be watching it Byteballs success without NEEDING to require the team membership.

[thesnat21]

Oh I'm aware God still loves me. I just want others to know what kind of person he is. I don't see a "Godly" man going around threatening to label others as "satanists" simply because they disagree with him or dislike some of the behavior he may have been a part of...

If the team membership requirement was removed, I would return. However, I have a strong sense of dedication to my team and will not switch simply because HE is mimicing Gridcoins marketing success. However, what he should be watching it Byteballs success without NEEDING to require the team membership.

The problem is Gridcoin is in the blacklist to prevent "abuse" per Rob

[616westwarmoth]

Oh I'm aware God still loves me. I just want others to know what kind of person he is. I don't see a "Godly" man going around threatening to label others as "satanists" simply because they disagree with him or dislike some of the behavior he may have been a part of...

If the team membership requirement was removed, I would return. However, I have a strong sense of dedication to my team and will not switch simply because HE is mimicing Gridcoins marketing success. However, what he should be watching it Byteballs success without NEEDING to require the team membership.

The current vote is in favor of lifting the requirement (although that is heavily weighed by Rob's majority of normally voting masternodes), and the forum poll is in favor of mimicing Byteball and giving members of Team Biblepay full reward and all others a smaller percentage reward (although Byteball prefers to call their team membership a bonus...it's all the same in the end).

[batang_bitcoin]

Most of the threads like this are posted on Speculations (Altcoins).

[thesnat21]

Most of the threads like this are posted on Speculations (Altcoins).

thanks for the clarification, 
MODS: Can you move this if you think that's a better place?

[batang_bitcoin]

Most of the threads like this are posted on Speculations (Altcoins).

thanks for the clarification, 
MODS: Can you move this if you think that's a better place?

You can do it alone, at the bottom left there's the button "Move topic".

[sunk818]

Most of the threads like this are posted on Speculations (Altcoins).

thanks for the clarification,  
MODS: Can you move this if you think that's a better place?

You can do it alone, at the bottom left there's the button "Move topic".

I wouldn't categorize this as speculation. Opinions about the dev are opinions... but the number of masternodes owned by lead dev is fact based on public blockchain data. But I'm not a mod, so I don't the history of the forum and what's best.

[slovakia]

thanks for this thread about dev-scammer-liar-1man show project

its sick when dev is owner almost 2/3 MNs .... betweeen our DASH users is this fraud-coin when im asked

1 theory

big investors comes to BBP and theyll buy enormn numbers of MNs and then stop sponsoring orphans via antivoting Robs proposals....whats happen?

his bullshits about cancelleing his MN and then selling sponsors BBP is manipulation ...


next 2-3 months will be nice for orphans:who will be sponsoring? NOBODY

[sunk818]

big investors comes to BBP and theyll buy enormn numbers of MNs and then stop sponsoring orphans via antivoting Robs proposals....whats happen?

how many MNs will they need -- 70+ MNs? If they are $8k each, that is $56k USD. that's assuming 84 masternode count is correct.

his bullshits about cancelleing his MN and then selling sponsors BBP is manipulation ...

What kind of manipulation do you think it is? Can you provide specifics? I think maybe there is opportunity to make interest on masternode but he often gives a few percentage more than required. i'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, and don't think rob is dishonest with orphan fund. pre-selling is odd especially when you have 1-6 month compassion buffer already where you don't need to pre-sell.

[slovakia]

sunk818 you cant write that MN is for 700€ .... when big investor start to buy bbp....price will be raising

yes.,im wrote about pre-selling.... why he controling OPRHANS MNs and using it for vote self proposals? ... its manipulations.... im DASH users citation


so what happen when big 2-3 investors stops sponsoring orphans? will be next manipulation from Rob side?