Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements

[iamike]

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

Note that this does not affect:
 - PM rate-limiting, which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 - "You must wait ___ seconds...", which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 
But it does affect:
 - Voting in polls
 - Patroller jurisdiction
 - The "ignore newbie PMs" option.
 - "The body is omitted from this email because the sender is a newbie."
 - BBCode limits
 - Reduced-accuracy link filtering
 - Board restrictions

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

One reason that I was hesitant to do this before is that there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies. I'll think about tying some of those to activity instead of rank in the future.
 
With help from DdmrDdmr, I just added 36 new merit sources, which should help newbies achieve the requirement. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.

This is really a great idea but I suggest the merit needed for a junior member to move to member should be reduced to 5. The 10 merits is quite high to come by easily and besides people hardly award merit. So please try and take my suggestion into consideration.
Thanks for your unrelenting effort to push the forum to a new height.

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[abduramann]

I think this decision does not fit the rule of law. A new act cannot be applied to the past. However, I think the rights of the existing Jr. members should have been kept. This decision is really unfair. Ok, I understand the issues such as spamming, multi-accounts etc. The administrators should find other ways to prevent these issues, decreasing ranks is not ethical and will not be a solution. I think the cryptocurrency world has (or had) an ideal defending equality. This type of discrimination is against this ideal, too. I hope the administrators reconsider this decision.

Based on your account history, you've only made posts for bounty entries since April (5 months) and started participating in other threads since the 12th of September. If you keep that up for a couple of weeks, I'm sure you'll get merits soon enough.

I was talking about morals, ethics, laws, ideals, justice. I was NOT begging to anyone. Your style which tries to look down on me and others is disrespectful. Go and learn some respect. Until then, do not reply to my posts anymore. OK?

[Bthd]

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

Note that this does not affect:
 - PM rate-limiting, which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 - "You must wait ___ seconds...", which is based purely on activity & whitelisted status.
 
But it does affect:
 - Voting in polls
 - Patroller jurisdiction
 - The "ignore newbie PMs" option.
 - "The body is omitted from this email because the sender is a newbie."
 - BBCode limits
 - Reduced-accuracy link filtering
 - Board restrictions

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

One reason that I was hesitant to do this before is that there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies. I'll think about tying some of those to activity instead of rank in the future.
 
With help from DdmrDdmr, I just added 36 new merit sources, which should help newbies achieve the requirement. But if you're incapable of posting anything worthwhile, then you will never rank up, and you shouldn't: this isn't the forum for you.

Dear sir, sorry for my English. i'm learning it since 1 years for understand crypto world better. (using google translate sometimes).
will there be more merit sources for other languages forums ? it's too hard to get merits on other languages forums, and not enaugh sources. we have to use dns or vpn for joining bitcointalk in my country. But i think bitcoin is for everyone and for kicking all restrictions.

And.. Please analyze bounty threads. Peoples gives merits to bounty managers for bounty threads. İn my opinion its not fair.

for example: 17 merits for a classic bounty thread ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4598087.0

and than they gives merits for other bounty thread managers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1017137

may you can deaktivate bounty messages for merit.

regards.

[Rippou]

It feels like merits are more common on English boards compared to local ones, so I think this change is going to have a bigger effect on local forums. Are there any statistics on what percentage of merits are given on local boards?

[actisstupidname]

Very nice!!!



We are getting closer to banning newbies altogether! Keep it up. Make Bitcointalk great again!

[CryptoXis]

I’ll take it as a challenge to contribute to this forum. For us newbies, It will take sometime but I will do my best to make significant and contructive post in all aspects of this forum. May merits be in our favor  

[JayJuanGee]

Pls can anyone tell me how I can be getting merit on this forum?

Participate in threads that are interesting to you, interact with members posting in the thread and topics that they raise and/or thread related topics that are raised by you, and attempt to provide substantive and meaningful posts.

[actisstupidname]

Pls can anyone tell me how I can be getting merit on this forum?

Participate in threads that are interesting to you, interact with members posting in the thread and topics that they raise and/or thread related topics that are raised by you, and attempt to provide substantive and meaningful posts.

LMAO

[KonstantinosM]

No-one is entitled to rank up without paying their dues. You don't contribute, you don't rank up.

I was surprised that there wasn't a merit requirement for people to rank up from newbie to begin with.

It's the right choice.

A lot of my posts are of questionable quality and I've managed to get a few merits sent my way. It feels good when you're writing a good post and even better when you get merited for it.

Sometimes you'll have to either stumble upon a great idea that people haven't heard a billion times before, sometimes you'll just have to take the time to understand the topic and the thread and contribute to it.

It's not so hard. Unless you're a spammer or a bot.

[abduramann]

I think this decision does not fit the rule of law.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -Lord Acton

[JayJuanGee]

Pls can anyone tell me how I can be getting merit on this forum?

Participate in threads that are interesting to you, interact with members posting in the thread and topics that they raise and/or thread related topics that are raised by you, and attempt to provide substantive and meaningful posts.

LMAO

And?  What is funny about what I said?   

If you are a real person and not a bot, a shill, a spammer or a scammer, then what I suggested should work well for genuine folks who are interested in earning merit over time, right?

[philipma1957]

and not to complain but no one answered me what does a copper membership cost?

A Copper Member cost is :

-Copper - 0.00208333 BTC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

Thank you

So knowing human greed selling that 1 merit for 0.0010 will happen from time to time.

Thermyos sent me a pm told me list is well over 1000 people.

I am willing to look at list and read posts from now until dec 24th.

I will come back here and update.
I will not give merit to anyone that asks for merit.

[mudyak99]

Sad, this is my last week signature campaign, then after my rank change to newbie, i can't join their project again  this waste my  time, maybe next time i can join any bounty with newbie rank

[solkinsolali]

This is a very nice step in the right direction. I believe it will make most of us more constructive and purposeful with our posts. So many people are fond of posting meaningless topics or replies just to raise post counts towards signature campaigns.

I strongly believe this will curb spam in the forum.

You may also read my post below if you are still not satisfied with the new ranking rule.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4705372.msg42475237#msg42475237

[mronezigger]

Though it was surprising for real user in my capability of how long I have been on the platform without a accolades of even 1merit but logically it will be touching for we user that have put much to see we get to another but what can I say or do rather than to up my game and quality to the required test of the delegated board of admin,they new development will surely make the platform my organic and meaningful and I believe that I no time I will still bounce back to another level of rank.

[Steamtyme]

Sad, this is my last week signature campaign, then after my rank change to newbie, i can't join their project again  this waste my  time, maybe next time i can join any bounty with newbie rank

Or here's a thought, you could just be better. I get it that's a long shot.

You are exactly what is wrong with the forum, and a great sign that the steps Theymos is implementing do have a positive effect.

If you feel your time has been wasted, you now know how anyone who took the time to read your posts felt.

[2weent6]

This forum is really challenging now, and this is actually good so those who are just posting to make money here will be lessen. I just hope that everyone will get merit based on their quality and not just because they know each other. Also is there anyway to help us receive merit? I mean, why not change the setting that if you don't spend your smerit you will be punished for something. Because as I can see, merit system are not circulating and people already lose it. In addition to this, can you also set some replenishment of merit at least every year? So everyone can still give merit?

[Coin-1]

Undoubtedly, these new enhanced newbie restrictions and requirements were expected. I'm glad to see 36 merit sources which were added today:

There are 120 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 23045 sMerit per 30 days

I will detect them in my thread.

I think that the posting images should be based purely on activity of a member, because nowadays newbies need to make a post worthy of giving at least 1 merit. Typically, a good post contains charts, graphs or other pictures.

[bukitungu]

nice. I am very supportive with this new rule, a lot of garbage posts are scattered. sometimes the information we want we don't see is covered by useless posts, which only chase rules bounty.

in fact, I propose to apply all of the ICO which is a bitcointalk promo must use Escrow, in order to minimize scam ICOs, to avoid fraud, and those who join the bounty must be really slive if they have to have a minimum Jr. member.

I am sorry, my English is not good.

[Master of Shitcoins]

Though it was surprising for real user in my capability of how long I have been on the platform without a accolades of even 1merit but logically it will be touching for we user that have put much to see we get to another but what can I say or do rather than to up my game and quality to the required test of the delegated board of admin,they new development will surely make the platform my organic and meaningful and I believe that I no time I will still bounce back to another level of rank.

Maybe it's a very good first step to avoid multiple-clause-sentences like you did it here, it's so horrible to read and understand. This will help a lot and I think most members here just skipped your posts sometimes because they had no interest to wade through your gibberish.
It's better to divide your posts into easier senteces that someone can understand. I think this should be not very difficult to manage.  

But after all I didn't get your post even after reading it 4 times. If someone got his idea, please reply...


Or this, maybe try to make clearer and shorter senteces: 

Truly I find the new development helpful because it will help to dictate the unsual multiple accounts and other meaningful ideas of the platform but considering the real users who were dropped down is going to hurt and as well reduce the confidence users of the platform has and as well the new development has put fear to user that one day rule might be suddenly introduce which will affect user,though the board of bitcointalk have there meaningful reason on the development I believe we will still get the merit and step high to the quality of our post and works.