A Copper membership needs signature reductions

[Vod]

A Copper membership should give you the advantage of showing images, not having the same clubhouse advertising rights that Legendaries have!

If people want to pay for a special "spam signature" paid membership (It is easy to add paid memberships) it should be an ongoing monthly fee that is constantly adjusted until spam reaches tolerable levels.

Right now I believe Theymos is too liberal with his signature space.  Every offline community has bylaws surrounding commercial advertising.

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[HiDevin]

Its cheaper for them right now ias its just $15 but soon when BTC price go up, its not just going to be $15, it could go up to hundred or more. They could lose $500 even more to pay for that copper membership.

If there is a record of BTC addresses they use to pay for the copper membership, it might be easier to track who'se who later on.

It's not like most spammers dump their BTC right after getting it and actually spending it on real life expenses like food, shelter, and etc.
Plus they are paying by BTC ( not any fiat currency ).

[eddie13]

Don't let newbies hustle in our clubhouse.

jokes


But seriously they don't need to be paid for posting with such fresh accounts.. It's not like they have the right to earn while posting until they get some time under their belt and can possibly have decent things to say..

All the fuss about copper members.. Theymos can just stop selling them at any time and leave the coppers grandfathered if it doesn't work good..
We might start seeing more and more coppers get banned..

Buying copper means they have a little skin in the game, similar to skin in the game having been here a longer period of time like a couple months, so I don't think the concept is all bad..

If they keep up the same shit they will be going through copper accounts just as fast as they go through newb accounts by getting banned and tagged anyway.. Maybe it should cost more or have less benefits, idk..


Another thing that annoys me is fresh accounts posting ANNs, fresh accounts managing bounties and campaigns..
How do you trust that? I don't like seeing newb accounts holding great responsibilities..
Like all these guys running ICOs have never had a btct account before, like they don't have old accounts..

they have old accounts alright but they are probably tagged as scammers or want to protect their good accounts from the scam ICO they are pushing.. Untrustworthy imo..

[HiDevin]

A Copper membership should give you the advantage of showing images, not having the same clubhouse advertising rights that Legendaries have!

If people want to pay for a special "spam signature" paid membership (It is easy to add paid memberships) it should be an ongoing monthly fee that is constantly adjusted until spam reaches tolerable levels.

Right now I believe Theymos is too liberal with his signature space.  Every offline community has bylaws surrounding commercial advertising.

I personally agree with you Vod, but I'll rather just wait in the future until the spam gets out of hand, right now it is definitely better than before.

Your idea of having a different paid membership is a good idea too, but I don't see the point of creating a spam signature because you are just basically promoting it at this point,
if you had the membership title.

[Jrashid]

Let our senior ranks have more meaning.  Don't let newbies hustle in our clubhouse.

Theymos can only allow Copper Member to post images. If people want to wear a signature, he/she must have to achieve 1 merit. I think, in this way, we can get rid of this newbie club 

At least they have something to lose now, their 0.002BTC won't come back when they get banned.

I have reported a user at least 10 times for his shitposts. He is still using the forum. Some of his posts were deleted only. To be honest, he/she deserves only "ban".

If there is a record of BTC addresses they use to pay for the copper membership, it might be easier to track who'se who later on.

It will not be a hard task for theymos but no one will use the same address again, IMO.

[Vod]

Theymos can just stop selling them at any time and leave the coppers grandfathered if it doesn't work good..

Excellent idea.  He should stop selling them immediately, then reissue a new paid membership that gives advantages actual contributors will want. 

Right now a Copper membership is like a forum paid advertisement, except there is no limit to the amount we have to look at.  :/

[eddie13]

It's almost a trust thing for me, or they need to have something to lose..

If a sane person has no reason to trust them at all, and/or they have nothing to lose, and they are so new they don't know shit anyway, they shouldn't be endorsing anything..

All they care about is how much they get paid to endorse things and they don't care or have any repercussions for promoting scams, and haven't the experience to know if what they are endorsing is a scam anyway if they cared..

[Parodium]

Might be a fair compromise to have an additional level of copper member that gains additional features by paying for them, but the cost should be sufficiently high so that your typical signature spammer won't want to fork out the cash. Or maybe the simplest way around it would be to allow members to disable signature visibility entirely, so we don't have to be plagued by their advisements.

[Alone055]

He should stop selling them immediately, then reissue a new paid membership that gives advantages actual contributors will want.

Or, he should simply modify it a little bit.

Since it is required to earn 1 Merit to rank up to Jr. member now, and then only you will be able to wear signatures, so maybe he could make it like, if a user buys Copper Membership when he is a Newbie, he would still not be able to wear a signature unless he manages to earn 1 Merit and rank up to Jr. member, but he would only have the ability to post images by buying Copper Membership. Once reaches Jr. member, he would have the same abilities of a Member in his signature as well just like how Copper Membership offers it.

This way, the users that are Newbies and are buying Copper Membership only to be able to wear signatures won't be able to do it anymore, and the Copper Membership would still serve its purpose.

[The Cryptovator]

I believe a bitcointalk membership should include a basic signature - one line of plain text. That would be the "Member" rank.  A Copper membership allows you to buy a Member signature. Advancing above the Member rank allows signature perks.

Agree, It would be better membership limited for image posting, not for signature purpose. Signature is the source of spam. Let them become mature for signature until they earn 1 merit. Membership could be use those are want to posting with image like ANN or Bounty managers need it.

At least they have something to lose now, their 0.002BTC won't come back when they get banned.

Exactly, something is better than nothing 

[theymos]

I suspect that it won't be a major issue because they'll be losing their ~10 dollars every time they get banned. It won't be profitable, hopefully. If it seems to be a major source of spam in a few months, I'd reconsider.

[The Cryptovator]

I suspect that it won't be a major issue because they'll be losing their ~10 dollars every time they get banned. It won't be profitable, hopefully. If it seems to be a major source of spam in a few months, I'd reconsider.

I think it would be better just keep same others featured for membership except signature. Like vod said, allow them to ware one line plain signature. The aim of implement new rules is prevent of spam. Also its working fine as far as we know. But slowly people will buy membership once they will not able to earn 1 merit. Then spam story will repeat again. As I said before signature is the source of spam.

[3lyntmy]

Look at this garbage:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032765.0

This person pays $15 and now has the motivation and authority to spam.    
This is going to be the next wave of spam for the forum - Copper Members posting garbage.

I believe a bitcointalk membership should include a basic signature - one line of plain text. That would be the "Member" rank.  A Copper membership allows you to buy a Member signature. Advancing above the Member rank allows signature perks. 

Let our senior ranks have more meaning.  Don't let newbies hustle in our clubhouse.

Totally agree with you why they want to paid but not just build merit and rank by themselves? isn't build by own will feel better? LOL

[Jet Cash]

Can we change the phrase "earn a single merit" into "obtain a single merit". This seems to be more relevant in the new Bitcoin Talk forum.

[hilariousetc]

Look at this garbage:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032765.0

This person pays $15 and now has the motivation and authority to spam.    
This is going to be the next wave of spam for the forum - Copper Members posting garbage.

I believe a bitcointalk membership should include a basic signature - one line of plain text. That would be the "Member" rank.  A Copper membership allows you to buy a Member signature. Advancing above the Member rank allows signature perks. 

Let our senior ranks have more meaning.  Don't let newbies hustle in our clubhouse.

I agree. One merit is a small baby-step in the right direction but it doesn't go far enough. I think one merit to move from Newbie to Junior is fine, but Juniors still shouldn't be able to have a signature at all. As I originally proposed with the one-merit Jnr requirement, Juniors should also have their signatures removed completely and to get one you need to become a Member with ten merit. It's far too easy to beg, borrow, steal or trade a solitary merit and requiring ten is obviously ten times more difficulty. I think we should probably make changes to the Copper Membership as well as it's far too cheap at $10-$20 or whatever it is. A farmer who is making thousands upon thousands will just cough up for it as it's a small price to pay for them and is only a small spanner in their works. Copper Membership should just be some sort of basic whitelisting feature which allows you to post images and post a little faster, and that's about it. As I've suggest before though I wouldn't be against more expensive ranks like Silver and Gold Member that give you the benefits of say a Full Member and Hero, but just as long as they're not so cheap that any farmer can afford them on their hundred accounts. I would say something like $100 for Silver and maybe $500 for Gold. At the moment one merit or $10-20 is just too cheap and easy for spammers to bypass in whatever way they can.