Getting merited on post made on local board

[Anonymous300]

English is to an extent the most accepted language and obviously the most used on this platform.
 We are all here to make an impact by creating great post and also be impacted on by great post. 
Great post can obviously be made in diverse languages and also people are reached by this. Statistically less attention has be given to the local board and it can affect the resolve of great minds that do there best to make good post.  I urge and plead for more attention on local board for a union growth of the forum.

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[bill gator]

I urge and plead for more attention on local board for a union growth of the forum.

What exactly are you proposing? Are you suggesting that we all learn the languages of the world, specifically to search for more posts to merit?

[Anonymous300]

I urge and plead for more attention on local board for a union growth of the forum.

No learning all languages is not possible but like facebook there is a translator app that allows post to be translated I know this is a very difficult addition but it can be achieved first by spreading the needs for great post to be understood and every one can learn

What exactly are you proposing? Are you suggesting that we all learn the languages of the world, specifically to search for more posts to merit?

[Alone055]

The reason why Merit circulation in English boards is more is because there are more people in these boards. But I believe local boards have their Merit Sources too, who are constantly meriting posts that are worthy. And those boards with more population and much better posting qualities would probably have more Merits in circulation, i.e English boards.

No learning all languages is not possible but like facebook there is a translator app that allows post to be translated I know this is a very difficult addition but it can be achieved first by spreading the needs for great post to be understood and every one can learn

What exactly are you proposing? Are you suggesting that we all learn the languages of the world, specifically to search for more posts to merit?

Now I'm curious to know if to which board you belong, because what you did here can be a reason why your board lack Merits in circulation.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>  I urge and plead for more attention on local board for a union growth of the forum.

Which specific local board are you talking about? What do you propose ?

[Tszunami98]

There is a possibility for a user to become a merit source in local boards if he is worthy. Problem solved.

[coinlocket$]

The problem of local sections is that if the section is not very populated it will probably have a number of merit sorces not high and therefore the merit that runs in that section may not be enough to reward all deserving users.
I know it is difficult but to try to have a greater success you have to write in the English section.

A good start can be here, I do not know it the thread is still active. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3081595.0

[bitmover]

Many local boards are good sources of merits.

According to DdmrDdmr zentdex post, Where the merit pours https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.0, 34% of all the merits in the forum are distributed in local boards.
Each local session in bigger detail:



Depending on which local you are talking about, it's easy to get merit.

Russian for example is very easy, they have probably many merit sources and russians like to give merit to their local friends.
But some other boards, like Portuguese are not so easy. Not all local boards have merit sources.

Anyway, it's natural that the forum awards more merit for discussions in its main board, whcih is in English.
Users come all over the world and English is the common language between all of us.

Edit: charts above were created by zentdex
 

[Musiclover]

In our local section we have merit source, i only don't know which local section are you belong.
Even in our local section its hard for me to get even just one merit so what more here in the other section that's out of my comfort zone because im not that really good in english. But still trying to engage in other section to improve my english and to enhance it and of course just trying here because we don't if i will be lucky in the other section and i will get my first merit one day.

Keep engaging yourself in the other section not only on the local.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Actually, the charts above are really @zentdex’s. I created a couple of months later a post on the matter (see Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown in detail), although I find it more illustrating to look at the Merit Dashboard to see the numbers at a glance. Specifically, The tab labelled “Section Subsection” allows us to view the complete aggregate of sMerits awarded to local boards.

The nice additional feature is that we can filter by month, and get a view of how things are going recently. For example, if we filter by the month of September 2018 (up until last Friday’s data), the local boards have gained:

Russian (1.828), German (919), Turkish (878), Indonesian (487), Italian (238), Spanish (215), French (203), Croatian (93), Portuguese (61), Arabic (57), Philippines (48), Romanian (30), Chinese (19), Greek (18), Japanese (eight - I wrote it in text since it comes out a a smilie), Indian (5), Polish (5), Dutch (4), Others (27).

As we can see, during September 2018 there are large differences between local sections (but really the above data should be compared to the number of posts made on these sections). Let’s see if the added merit sources can up-lift these figures…

[Talk merit]

There are two aspects to this.

You stay within the confines of your local board, and seek to gain merits from a restricted supply.
You can improve your English, and take advantage of the wealth of knowledge and help on the English language boards.

These options are not mutually exclusive, and many "international" members are evidence of this. I started the Fit to Talk English project to help Bitcoin Talk members take advantage of the Bitcoin economy, and the primary language for communication in that is English.

[congresowoman]

I think what the thread starter means is that we can promote growth by giving merit to deserving individuals with quality posts. If you belong to a particular  local board, then you may be able to give encouragement to your peer if you find that post very helpful and informative. It is about time we put a spotlight in the LB.

[Talk merit]

That is true, but the other aspect is the possibility of translating a good topic into English, and thus provide it for the benefit of the bulk of the members of Bitcoin Talk. This was my motivation in offering a guarantee minimum of 5 merits for the starter of a good translated topic on an English board. Google translate is not adequate for this, and this is why the post creator was offered help with the translation.

[coin8coin8]

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Actually, the charts above are really @zentdex’s. I created a couple of months later a post on the matter (see Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown in detail), although I find it more illustrating to look at the Merit Dashboard to see the numbers at a glance. Specifically, The tab labelled “Section Subsection” allows us to view the complete aggregate of sMerits awarded to local boards.

The nice additional feature is that we can filter by month, and get a view of how things are going recently. For example, if we filter by the month of September 2018 (up until last Friday’s data), the local boards have gained:

Russian (1.828), German (919), Turkish (878), Indonesian (487), Italian (238), Spanish (215), French (203), Croatian (93), Portuguese (61), Arabic (57), Philippines (48), Romanian (30), Chinese (19), Greek (18), Japanese (eight - I wrote it in text since it comes out a a smilie), Indian (5), Polish (5), Dutch (4), Others (27).

As we can see, during September 2018 there are large differences between local sections (but really the above data should be compared to the number of posts made on these sections). Let’s see if the added merit sources can up-lift these figures…

These data reflect a problem that Merit generated by some of the larger local sections does not match their local members and threads.
If a local section there are more locals and more threads should have more merits, but some local sections very few mertis, such as China and India, The amount of Merits does not match their local members amount.
I don't think they lack good articles and good members, maybe it is because of lack of merit source or other reasons?
Is there a way to balance this situation?

[TopTort777]

Russian for example is very easy, they have probably many merit sources and russians like to give merit to their local friends.
But some other boards, like Portuguese are not so easy. Not all local boards have merit sources.

According to Russian local board users whines - it is almost impossible to get merit in their local board and many users suggest to go to english section in search for merit.


Looking on Recent merits distribution, quite few a few merit points are given in russian topics.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>Is there a way to balance this situation?

The way I would go around it is by trying to prove that there are tons of unmerited posts in a given local section. Relating number of merits to number of posts is one way to go, but that for me would be the starter dish. I think that bringing attention to specific cases may be done by showing long lists of good to decent posts that go unmerited.
That is a bit similar to what is required to credit for postulating to become a Merit Source, but perhaps on a larger scale. I mean 10 unmerited posts in a local board prove nothing as to the general lack of merit in a given local board, but if someone/a group is capable of bringing up many more cases (a hundred recent cases perhaps), then they have a more solid case.
Of course, language is a barrier to actually getting to understand these posts, but It’s a way to possibly get things noticed.

Determining whom to trust to become a Merit Source may though prove to be difficult too, especially if the Local board has a very low flow of sMerits. For example, I’ve checked the Indian section, and the maximum number of people any simple person has merited there is 9. It’s a kind of catch 22: not many people are merited in some local sections, therefore they merit others seldom, therefore it is difficult to even find a merit source candidate based on awarding criteria for example (there are many other alternative possible criteria though).

In summary, I think the best way to go is to make a solid case as I stated above and/or postulate to become a merit source through the official procedure:

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If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

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Actually, the charts above are really @zentdex’s. I created a couple of months later a post on the matter (see Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown in detail), although I find it more illustrating to look at the Merit Dashboard to see the numbers at a glance. Specifically, The tab labelled “Section Subsection” allows us to view the complete aggregate of sMerits awarded to local boards.

The nice additional feature is that we can filter by month, and get a view of how things are going recently. For example, if we filter by the month of September 2018 (up until last Friday’s data), the local boards have gained:

Russian (1.828), German (919), Turkish (878), Indonesian (487), Italian (238), Spanish (215), French (203), Croatian (93), Portuguese (61), Arabic (57), Philippines (48), Romanian (30), Chinese (19), Greek (18), Japanese (eight - I wrote it in text since it comes out a a smilie), Indian (5), Polish (5), Dutch (4), Others (27).

As we can see, during September 2018 there are large differences between local sections (but really the above data should be compared to the number of posts made on these sections). Let’s see if the added merit sources can up-lift these figures…

These data reflect a problem that Merit generated by some of the larger local sections does not match their local members and threads.
If a local section there are more locals and more threads should have more merits, but some local sections very few mertis, such as China and India, The amount of Merits does not match their local members amount.
I don't think they lack good articles and good members, maybe it is because of lack of merit source or other reasons?
Is there a way to balance this situation?

Do you really think there are a lot of good threads and posts on the Chinese local board at the moment? Since you understand the Chinese language, you do realize I did spent a lot of time and efforts making posts in Chinese to encourage Chinese users to spend more time and effort to construct their posts in Chinese. Honestly speaking, this is my observation until now, there will always be a group of Chinese users who are always complaining how hard it is to earn merit on local board.

The story continues from here, once I checked those users posting history, it mainly consist of 85% one liner posts that basically just contains multiples repeated posts to discuss about one topic, so I started to indicate in many of my posts on the Chinese local board that they should not be hoping to get countless of merit just because of a few average posts they made in other people threads.

For everyone information - Those users would usually just write a posts with 3 sentences that discuss about the trend of the current trading market, and giving their own opinion on it. I do not mind to merit those posts in order for them to promote to Jr. Member or even higher ranks, but hoping to get 1 merit with those posts just does not make any sense to me, and no matter how many times I encouraged them to continue writing higher quality posts, they would just continue to whine and complains that they already improved their posts quality and where is the merit? I agreed that not every users are able to make exceptional posts or threads alike some users here, but I do award users with merit for posts that shows they do put in their time and effort to share their own opinion on a topic discussed, the opinion written must obviously be logical and constructive on the topic discussed.

If they are not able to write exceptional posts or threads, they could stick with writing better quality posts that fits into the discussion of any threads, I want to see some changes in their posting behavior before I would merit their posts, what is the point of giving them merit when they cannot even preserve to continue writing better quality posts for a certain period of time, I have also started to see some users on the Chinese local board reverting back to their old style of posting one liner posts after they received 1 merit to promote to Jr. Member, and I would say this type of action is extremely despicable.

It seems that no matter how much effort and time I put to encourage some Chinese users to change their posting behavior, they will never change at all, I guess this might be some sort of mentality for some users on this forum, they would always compare their way of doing things in other forum with this forum, and when things don't go their way, they would just keep on whining.

I even used the example below to try and convince those Chinese users to embrace the change but it seems that all my efforts have gone to waste.

Every citizens from different parts of the world who travels to China either for tourism purpose or planning for a long term stay in China would definitely needs to respect all the Chinese cultures and also abide by the local laws set by the Chinese government, since the Chinese users are posting on this forum, they should also respect and follow the rules and regulations of this forum, but they always like to compare the rules on bitcointalk with other forums they used, I would say it is just extremely hard to convince certain Chinese users to change.

[riyarana1123]

English is the most used language of this forum to post and to get merit and i think its being good that every person post in single language so it will not create any problem in future.

[TMAN]

English is the most used language of this forum to post and to get merit and i think its being good that every person post in single language so it will not create any problem in future.

its a fucking English language forum - that's why its most used. People need to realise this and make an effort.

English doesn't have to be perfect, fuck I am a brit and mine isn't perfect. We all need to understand what is being said, using translate ends up giving 20 words when one will do - that is a massive issue and confuses the point when members may be making a valid post.

[coin8coin8]

Do you really think there are a lot of good threads and posts on the Chinese local board at the moment? Since you understand the Chinese language, you do realize I did spent a lot of time and efforts making posts in Chinese to encourage Chinese users to spend more time and effort to construct their posts in Chinese. Honestly speaking, this is my observation until now, there will always be a group of Chinese users who are always complaining how hard it is to earn merit on local board.

Good posts are not necessarily long-form, short and fine articles can also be a good post. Complaints are normal. It is normal to complain when changes occur.
Yes, you did spent a lot of time and efforts, But I always feel that you are not interacting with them. Although you communicate with them, you always have a distance from them. You lack a friend-like interaction with them.
They are always afraid to say the wrong words, although you are not terrible, but I realize that they are afraid of you.Don't know if you feel it?

For everyone information - Those users would usually just write a posts with 3 sentences that discuss about the trend of the current trading market, and giving their own opinion on it. I do not mind to merit those posts in order for them to promote to Jr. Member or even higher ranks, but hoping to get 1 merit with those posts just does not make any sense to me, and no matter how many times I encouraged them to continue writing higher quality posts, they would just continue to whine and complains that they already improved their posts quality and where is the merit? I agreed that not every users are able to make exceptional posts or threads alike some users here, but I do award users with merit for posts that shows they do put in their time and effort to share their own opinion on a topic discussed, the opinion written must obviously be logical and constructive on the topic discussed.

I don't think Chinese users don't like discussion. Just because of cultural differences, Chinese users are more accustomed to discussing issues in QQ group or WeChat group. I have joined many WeChat groups, where I have daily voice conversations and discuss some deep topics, such as Yesterday we discussed a lot of problems with ADA, XLM, RSK and other altcoins. Maybe they prefer some instant social platforms.

If they are not able to write exceptional posts or threads, they could stick with writing better quality posts that fits into the discussion of any threads, I want to see some changes in their posting behavior before I would merit their posts, what is the point of giving them merit when they cannot even preserve to continue writing better quality posts for a certain period of time, I have also started to see some users on the Chinese local board reverting back to their old style of posting one liner posts after they received 1 merit to promote to Jr. Member, and I would say this type of action is extremely despicable.

This is actually a good solution. Don't rush to send your Merit. When you want to send to some members Merit, you should observe at least one week.

It seems that no matter how much effort and time I put to encourage some Chinese users to change their posting behavior, they will never change at all, I guess this might be some sort of mentality for some users on this forum, they would always compare their way of doing things in other forum with this forum, and when things don't go their way, they would just keep on whining.

Change is not overnight, time will prove everything, it is just beginning.

I even used the example below to try and convince those Chinese users to embrace the change but it seems that all my efforts have gone to waste.

Your efforts are not wasted, I have seen some changes.

Every citizens from different parts of the world who travels to China either for tourism purpose or planning for a long term stay in China would definitely needs to respect all the Chinese cultures and also abide by the local laws set by the Chinese government, since the Chinese users are posting on this forum, they should also respect and follow the rules and regulations of this forum, but they always like to compare the rules on bitcointalk with other forums they used, I would say it is just extremely hard to convince those Chinese users to change.

Comparing with other forums is their freedom. If they thinks other forums are better, they go to other forums. If they want to stay here, just follow the rules here.
You work very well, don't care what others said, just suggest that you have more interaction, don't always be so serious,should more relaxed communication.

In addition, I add that I am only analyzing the data. I don’t think that you are working badly. Don’t misunderstand.

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Good posts are not necessarily long-form, short and fine articles can also be a good post. Complaints are normal. It is normal to complain when changes occur.
Yes, you did spent a lot of time and efforts, But I always feel that you are not interacting with them. Although you communicate with them, you always have a distance from them. You lack a friend-like interaction with them.
They are always afraid to say the wrong words, although you are not terrible, but I realize that they are afraid of you.Don't know if you feel it?

For your information, I did not come here to make friends on this forum, so if there is any Chinese users who are thinking they could avoid getting punish for breaking the forum rules if they are on good terms with me, they are totally wrong. I am a very firm and strict person and I will take the required actions against any users whenever I found them breaking the forum rules on the Chinese local board. In the past, due to the lack of moderation on the Chinese local board, many account farmers have took advantage of the situation, and they have managed to farm so many high ranking accounts with tons of plagiarism posts and threads, their accounts range are from Legendary to Jr. Member rank, and the numbers of accounts farmed by them are insane.

I don't think Chinese users don't like discussion. Just because of cultural differences, Chinese users are more accustomed to discussing issues in QQ group or WeChat group. I have joined many WeChat groups, where I have daily voice conversations and discuss some deep topics, such as Yesterday we discussed a lot of problems with ADA, XLM, RSK and other altcoins. Maybe they prefer some instant social platforms.

I do not understand why are there some users who are always using cultural differences as an excuse when they are clearly using a forum that is not made in China, I have already explained this issue so many times on the Chinese local board, you should not confuse the rules between different forums or social platforms, if they truly want to use this forum, they should learn to respect the rules and regulations of this forum in the first place.

This is actually a good solution. Don't rush to send your Merit. When you want to send to some members Merit, you should observe at least one week.

I will only merit a user who is willing to show me that he is truly putting an effort to change his posting behavior if his posting history in the past is mainly consisting of 85% one liners posts. Users who are unable to write exceptional good threads or posts could focus more on writing posts that are of better quality to show his own opinion on discussion in any topics, I would still merit their posts at any period of time.

I even used the example below to try and convince those Chinese users to embrace the change but it seems that all my efforts have gone to waste.

Your efforts are not wasted, I have seen some changes.

Yes, my efforts are not totally wasted, there are still some Chinese users who are willing to embrace the change, I can see it too, but I knew from the bottom of my heart, there is still a very long way to go in order to improve the overall quality of the whole Chinese local board.

Comparing with other forums is their freedom. If they thinks other forums are better, they go to other forums. If they want to stay here, just follow the rules here.
You work very well, don't care what others said, just suggest that you have more interaction, don't always be so serious,should more relaxed communication.

In addition, I add that I am only analyzing the data. I don’t think that you are working badly. Don’t misunderstand.

I am always a very serious person whenever there are issues that requires my attention on the Chinese local board, there will always be some users who are trying to take advantage of people kindness, I have already given enough warnings and friendly advice to all the Chinese users on the Chinese local board, if they are not willing to listen and learn about the forum rules, I believe the harsh punishment given to them is the only way to let them learn when they are constantly breaking the forum rules.

[bitmover]

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Actually, the charts above are really @zentdex’s. I created a couple of months later a post on the matter (see Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown in detail), although I find it more illustrating to look at the Merit Dashboard to see the numbers at a glance. Specifically, The tab labelled “Section Subsection” allows us to view the complete aggregate of sMerits awarded to local boards.

The nice additional feature is that we can filter by month, and get a view of how things are going recently. For example, if we filter by the month of September 2018 (up until last Friday’s data), the local boards have gained:

Russian (1.828), German (919), Turkish (878), Indonesian (487), Italian (238), Spanish (215), French (203), Croatian (93), Portuguese (61), Arabic (57), Philippines (48), Romanian (30), Chinese (19), Greek (18), Japanese (eight - I wrote it in text since it comes out a a smilie), Indian (5), Polish (5), Dutch (4), Others (27).

As we can see, during September 2018 there are large differences between local sections (but really the above data should be compared to the number of posts made on these sections). Let’s see if the added merit sources can up-lift these figures…

Thanks for your observation ddmrddmr.
You made so many merit analysis that I thought that one was yours too.


I read somewhere that he new added sources would have only 10 smerits per week. I hope this information is wrong, because some local boards have almost zero smerits circulating perdaynow.. :/

[DdmrDdmr]

<...> I read somewhere that he new added sources would have only 10 smerits per week. I hope this information is wrong, because some local boards have almost zero smerits circulating perdaynow.. :/

Well, the total pool size is now of 23.045 sMerit per 30 days for the 30 merit sources, and I gather was 19.500 sMerits before for 84 merit sources. The overall picture is a win, with 3.545 more sMerits potentially awardable.

It’s likely that merit source allowance varies from one source to another, and that possibly the newly added ones start-off with modest allowances to see how they operate from there.
Looking at the increase in the total, I’d say that some of the original 84 merit sources also had an increase in their allowance. I’ve looked at a few on the Merit Dashboard and some of them have an awarding progression in the past that may be related to an increase in allowance.