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October 05, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
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This is absolutely surprising, and somehow disappointing too.  Shocked
I was actually quite glad to have a manager like him who was punctual on payments, and very selective about the participants of the campaigns he is managing to avoid hiring spammers or shitposters, and then today, when I come online and open the campaign thread to check if the payments are sent out yet or not, I see his account in red, and upon following the reference I end up in this thread where I find out he is the alt of a person who was involved (intentionally or unintentionally, since I was not around in that period and have no much knowledge about the case/cases) in shady activities that cost people their money and him his reputation.

Though I'm no one to make any judgement since the case he was involved in is still unclear to me, but I really like the way he has been working recently. If he was a genuine scammer, he would definitely have stolen the escrow funds for these campaigns and disappear without anyone having any access to him. I think he should be given a chance to prove himself.
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October 05, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
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I am little bit late on this discussion Sad. Since I am new on this forum, I just aware story about aTriz. Whatever did by aTriz account obviously wrong. You lied before, now no one will accept your true even me. Usually you can't expect second chance from community. Community is like a glass. If you broke once it can't be repair. You are the one who responsible damage your career. As well you self admitted that you are owner of aTriz account so your current account also will effect by your previous record.

Very interesting how LoyceV find out your previous account.

Eventually I want to say, there is no doubts Zapo has been doing great job by spam free signature campaign. But for me, I will not excuse for your previous record.

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October 05, 2018, 01:52:06 PM
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Edit - The only "loan" on the forum here is to snakey. And I'm not paying him the 10 eth or so, after I found out he was pinkman123345. So he backstabbed me and he wants me to pay him a couple grand? Bullshit.

A thought:
If you have an outstanding "loan" to pinkman12345, a good place to start for karma-cleaning would be to repay what is owed by him to his victims or assist in debt recovery since you have worked closely with him in the past.

ill gotten gains never go far, but here you have a chance to make ill gotten gains not so ill again (atleast partially).
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October 05, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
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Edit - The only "loan" on the forum here is to snakey. And I'm not paying him the 10 eth or so, after I found out he was pinkman123345. So he backstabbed me and he wants me to pay him a couple grand? Bullshit.

A thought:
If you have an outstanding "loan" to pinkman12345, a good place to start for karma-cleaning would be to repay what is owed by him to his victims or assist in debt recovery since you have worked closely with him in the past.

ill gotten gains never go far, but here you have a chance to make ill gotten gains not so ill again (atleast partially).
All the money I made off the ICO that pinkman got "scammed" was around 4 eth, and I repaid him 5 eth before he backstabbed me. I don't see why I should donate the remaining balance as the money I earnt accidentally is already gone.

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October 05, 2018, 02:04:11 PM
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All the money I made off the ICO that pinkman got "scammed" was around 4 eth, and I repaid him 5 eth before he backstabbed me. I don't see why I should donate the remaining balance as the money I earnt accidentally is already gone.

Ok, misunderstood - thought you took a loan from pinkman12345, found out he is a scammer, and are not repaying.  He has 0.54BTC in defaulted
loans as of now.

Didn't understand the "earnt accidentally" bit...

Either way, would appreciate your assistance in providing any and all relevant info about him here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043688
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October 05, 2018, 02:07:09 PM
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I think just creating this topic by Zapo himself is a brave step to confront his critics, either good or bad.

This was done because he had been on LoyceV's radar; and became a concern when asking for a decent sized no collateral loan. Essentially a come clean or I'll expose you situation.

Edit - The only "loan" on the forum here is to snakey. And I'm not paying him the 10 eth or so, after I found out he was pinkman123345. So he backstabbed me and he wants me to pay him a couple grand? Bullshit.

I can't say I'm familiar with this loan in particular. If you could point me to a thread where it is discussed and makes sense why you wouldn't repay I'd appreciate it. I'm wondering if Snakey/Pinkman12345 did something to cause you to need the loan, by scamming you or stealing from you. Then loaned you what you needed. If that is the case and is provable your stance makes sense.


All in all, I'm for second chances.  It does appear you burned up quite a few of those all in a short period of time; they could be lumped into one bad stretch of poor decisions. I like to believe you would have come clean after building up the account but that would have been less tempting than say doing it 3 weeks ago, you would have more and more to lose every week that passed as the account built up.

The part that concerns me the most is that you had been renting out your Atriz account to someone while building up Zapo. Iirc this was ongoing while you began managing these campaigns; that to me is continuing on with poor decisions. You likely used your Atriz reputation to get those accounts under your belt, which is fine but do you see how the Atriz account still had some reputation, and that lending out that account could have resulted in a scam large or small. I also don't see the value in lending someone an account to test out the forum, considering that would not be their experience, due to ranking up with merit changing things.

I hate to tell anyone how to act (apart from my kids) but I would suggest take time to think about how your actions will be perceived by/or affect the community before acting. For the foreseeable future, escrow account funds. Yes you will take a hit on your earnings from the fee, but you also add a layer of trust to your dealings.

Good luck moving forward, try not to get caught up in shady shit.

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October 05, 2018, 02:18:20 PM
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I think just creating this topic by Zapo himself is a brave step to confront his critics, either good or bad.

This was done because he had been on LoyceV's radar; and became a concern when asking for a decent sized no collateral loan. Essentially a come clean or I'll expose you situation.

Edit - The only "loan" on the forum here is to snakey. And I'm not paying him the 10 eth or so, after I found out he was pinkman123345. So he backstabbed me and he wants me to pay him a couple grand? Bullshit.

I can't say I'm familiar with this loan in particular. If you could point me to a thread where it is discussed and makes sense why you wouldn't repay I'd appreciate it. I'm wondering if Snakey/Pinkman12345 did something to cause you to need the loan, by scamming you or stealing from you. Then loaned you what you needed. If that is the case and is provable your stance makes sense.


All in all, I'm for second chances.  It does appear you burned up quite a few of those all in a short period of time; they could be lumped into one bad stretch of poor decisions. I like to believe you would have come clean after building up the account but that would have been less tempting than say doing it 3 weeks ago, you would have more and more to lose every week that passed as the account built up.

The part that concerns me the most is that you had been renting out your Atriz account to someone while building up Zapo. Iirc this was ongoing while you began managing these campaigns; that to me is continuing on with poor decisions. You likely used your Atriz reputation to get those accounts under your belt, which is fine but do you see how the Atriz account still had some reputation, and that lending out that account could have resulted in a scam large or small. I also don't see the value in lending someone an account to test out the forum, considering that would not be their experience, due to ranking up with merit changing things.

I hate to tell anyone how to act (apart from my kids) but I would suggest take time to think about how your actions will be perceived by/or affect the community before acting. For the foreseeable future, escrow account funds. Yes you will take a hit on your earnings from the fee, but you also add a layer of trust to your dealings.

Good luck moving forward, try not to get caught up in shady shit.

This is the "loan" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3253973.0

I promised to pay him back, but after I found he was pinkman (who was my friend at the time) and then he backstabbed me.

All the money I made off the ICO that pinkman got "scammed" was around 4 eth, and I repaid him 5 eth before he backstabbed me. I don't see why I should donate the remaining balance as the money I earnt accidentally is already gone.

Ok, misunderstood - thought you took a loan from pinkman12345, found out he is a scammer, and are not repaying.  He has 0.54BTC in defaulted
loans as of now.

Didn't understand the "earnt accidentally" bit...

Either way, would appreciate your assistance in providing any and all relevant info about him here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043688
Earn't accidentally: I took that payment upfront, found out it was a scam 3 days in, closed everything.

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October 05, 2018, 02:25:09 PM
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Earn't accidentally: I took that payment upfront, found out it was a scam 3 days in, closed everything.

It would be "earned accidentally" however I'm still not sure that term is appropriate for what happened in your case.


Anyhow:
Either way, would appreciate your assistance in providing any and all relevant info about him here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5043688
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October 05, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
Merited by dbshck (1), Quickseller (1), The Pharmacist (1), LoyceV (1), marlboroza (1)
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So many defending him as a "great" campaign manager..
"Great" campaign manager that will continue to run a campaign as normal knowing that it lies to it's participants and investors, forced because he has a whole 2 weeks invested in it..

Looks like he isn't even holding FULL escrow to protect all the participants..
I haven't asked for a refill of escrow funds from the ICO team.
Friday - Didn't bother asking the devs to refill the escrow since I was quite busy irl, so didn't bother.
Hi everyone, didn't anticipate using this much funds so I've only been able to pay out the first batch, the rest of the heros will have to take a while, messaging devs right now
Hi guys, the escrow was only at ~0.5 BTC, so I wasn't able to make all the payments needed.

Late on payments because he doesn't have the money on hand, the point of escrow.. So much coin he has been holding  Roll Eyes  So trusts
If he is holding coin, why didn't he respond about putting it into an escrow? Just ignored..

Lies to the lender zazarb in his loan application, deleted the OP.. Very untrustworthy, like lying to the bank..
Doesn't seem like zazarb wants to fill the loan now that loyce corrected his lie about..
I wonder how  advertisers trust to you(a whole newbie without history)
I guess, a stroke of luck, a lot of planning and talking landed me this job.
And then..
I would be interested to know if you disclosed this information to the teams behind BQT and IOU before beginning work as their campaign manager.
They know.


People get ruined for less so why all this "second chances"?
Because he can manage a campaign? Any offshore tech support guy can manage a campaign..

Sympathy for him because he was "anti spam" and promoted merits, required merit for his campaign, has favor with the spam police..


The higher interest offered was half not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk, and half me sort of desperate.
Taking out a high interest no collateral loan out of desperation is a GREAT idea..

Loan Amount: 7.5 ETH
Reason:  Trading
ETH Address:     
I would like 0.5 ETH sent here - 0xad81B4033A8B9174a764c736d7F3b14f9b72D5DB
Then the remaining 7 eth here - 0x730dFd99d58D7942DECAE061aB76daf48dAf9510
Term Length: 1 Month Max
Collateral:: None
Interest:: 13%

That's reasonable interest..

This guy wants atriz specifically to hold lending collateral for him
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3178600.msg32953287#msg32953287
But he is inexperienced in lending remember..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1596878.msg32052237#msg32052237
Another loan with a reasonable interest term..

Fuck he groups them for me..

"Small loans for trust"

Open Loan with aTriz (0.5 BTC loaned)
Need 0.35 BTC Loan, payback 14 days max (0.35 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.4 for trading. Payback 1.5 months MAX (0.4 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.25 for trading. Payback 3 weeks MAX (3 day re-payment possible) (0.25 BTC loaned)

All of these loans where done with no collateral and resolved. They aren't small either. Most of these range from 5,000 - 10,000 USD.

If you did a quick search in the lending subforum, you would do this.

He is an experienced lender/lendee..

The higher interest offered was half not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk

Or not?

In need of a 0.35 loan.
Payback in 14 days max, but if things go smoothly, should be paid within 1 week time.
Repayment would be 0.3575 if paid within a week and 0.36 if paid in 2 weeks
No Collateral.

Look at that low requested interest..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2669643.0
10%

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2763447.0
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Loan Amount: 0.4 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Trading
Amount to be repaid: 0.00075 BTC interest daily

Super low interest requested and filled

Quote
0.4 + 0.00075 × 18 = 0.4135.

Returning that to bc1qyhhkhdcml6cfzsjk3wm42jezu689f3mghh3lea

Paid only 3.375% interest on that one..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2906815.0
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Loan Amount: 0.25 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Trading
Amount to be repaid: 0.001 Interest daily*
Repayment Date: 3 weeks
Type of Collateral: None
Bitcoin Address: 39CNbEgrGq8fx7voYbkt4uHUjSHNy3zYLv

Can sign messages from all of my campaign escrow address and my old 1atriz address if needed.

*If repayment is made within the 3 days, ill bump up interest to 0.005 to cover your tx fees

.001 daily for 21 days is .021 interest on .25 = 8.4% interest..


Offers to pay 33% interest "I dusn no wha intrus is"
Must be a conspiracy..

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October 05, 2018, 03:26:20 PM
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So many defending him
I suspect this has to do with who he is friends with and who he is associated with.

Earn't accidentally: I took that payment upfront, found out it was a scam 3 days in, closed everything.

It would be "earned accidentally" however I'm still not sure that term is appropriate for what happened in your case.

In other words, he stole money from people he believed to be scammers. Now where have I heard that before?

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October 05, 2018, 04:14:35 PM
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All in all, I'm for second chances.  It does appear you burned up quite a few of those all in a short period of time; they could be lumped into one bad stretch of poor decisions. I like to believe you would have come clean after building up the account but that would have been less tempting than say doing it 3 weeks ago, you would have more and more to lose every week that passed as the account built up.
No one really gets second chances around the forum? Ask every account that has been tagged by the DT who was begging for the second chances? Why special privileges for the accused here? @Pharmacist - You are actively tagging alt the alt-accounts and account sellers in the forum, why haven't you left your tag here when the case is clearly to be of owning multiple accounts, scamming and other stuff. This isn't a rational judgement. If you think he deserves a second chance, why not all those accounts who have been tagged by you don't?

To conclude -  Don't be a bunch of biased hypocrites, if you stand by a principle, support it regardless of the accounts involved. I have nothing against the OP but rules should be equal for everybody.


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Ask every account that has been tagged by the DT who was begging for the second chances? Why special privileges for the accused here?
You don't realize how many second chances I've given on account sellers.  I've removed quite a few feedbacks after a while if a person has shown some evidence of trustworthiness after engaging in account dealing.  Most requests I've had that resulted in feedback removal have come from PMs, so it's not like everyone is aware of this.

I also don't tag people just for having alt accounts, but for buying or selling accounts--because that leads to scams based on reputation or shitposting.  That point has been made millions of times already.

aTriz always did right by me, yet I would never discount the possibility that I'm being bamboozled by a smooth-talking con man.  I trust aTriz/Zapo just enough such that I'm just going to sit this one out, and it isn't like his accounts didn't get tagged anyway.  There's plenty of red trust on them as a warning for anyone who's considering doing business with them.  I appreciate your straightforward opinion on my inaction.  This particular situation has me more conflicted than I usually get.

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-snip-
To conclude -  Don't be a bunch of biased hypocrites, if you stand by a principle, support it regardless of the accounts involved. I have nothing against the OP but rules should be equal for everybody.

The rules are, but the DT aren't; apparently they have multiple parameters based on who they have pecuniary dealings with; I have been pointing this out for quite some time; but then again they jump with their racist biases and scream second chances when their scammy business partners are caught; for all the lesser mortals; it's just sick when they call them ISIS suicide bombers cause they are apparent spammers.



I've removed quite a few feedbacks after a while if a person has shown some evidence of trustworthiness after engaging in account dealing.  Most requests I've had that resulted in feedback removal have come from PMs, so it's not like everyone is aware of this.

"shown some evidence of trustworthiness"
Has aTriz shown any in his case; it's one lie after another.
As for your conflict; it is primarily because people have obfuscated parameters; the ones who have a clear-cut conscience don't have conflicts on tagging scammers/liars.
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October 05, 2018, 05:24:04 PM
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This is the "loan" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3253973.0
I promised to pay him back, but after I found he was pinkman (who was my friend at the time) and then he backstabbed me.

I had read that thread back when I was reading up on the controversies of the time. It doesn't really tell the whole story though. Whether this was an oversight on your part trying to move on from the Atriz brand at the time or not; but there is no accusation or proof on your part they did anything wrong. I don't even see any feedback from any of your accounts

I obviously don't know the details, but given the current situation (see below), it might have been a good idea to have aired the dirty laundry and had pinkman tagged. Assuming the reason you have for not paying them was NEG worthy. All I can find is the positive feedback you left pinkman that is still positive but has (delete) at the end of it.

I know and used to like pinkman12345 very well, and we worked together a lot,
Hi Zapo/aTriz ( Smiley) I understand that you said you used to know pinkman12345 however I am just wondering if you can help me to provide some information which will help me to bring back my 0.2BTC and other guys 0.25BTC? I hope you remember the telegram chat we has few days ago. Thanks mate for your understanding.
Yes, please check telegram. I'll tell you everything I know about him.

Thank you for your input people.

Moving forward can you provide the information now so that anyone who has tagged Pinkman12345 can also go and tag the snakey account. We wouldn't want to leave any loose ends out there.



No one really gets second chances around the forum? Ask every account that has been tagged by the DT who was begging for the second chances? Why special privileges for the accused here? @Pharmacist - You are actively tagging alt the alt-accounts and account sellers in the forum, why haven't you left your tag here when the case is clearly to be of owning multiple accounts, scamming and other stuff. This isn't a rational judgement. If you think he deserves a second chance, why not all those accounts who have been tagged by you don't?

I feel like we've all been using the second chance thing improperly, myself included. No one gave a second chance; the closest would be Loyce not exposing Zapo - but still keeping tabs on the user and account (this was fair IMO). What has happened is an Alt account was used to try and shed the glaring RED trust that had essentially nuked a previously trustworthy user. Zaptriz has been tagged, and that's good. Not that I feel they are 100% untrustworthy, but that a record of members and how they have interacted and behaved on this forum should follow them and be visible. This way we can tell if they have changed for better or worse.

When you bring up The Pharmacist if you check the Atriz trust profile you can see that while he was not personally burned the feedback went from green to neutral to reflect the changing times. There are actually quite a few people being given second chances if you consider marlbaroza's feedback for promoting scam ICO's. They are giving members the opportunity to repeal the harm they have caused and be made whole again. Like I said there is no second chance here; it's more of a long standing service provider falling short, and having to deal with that while moving forward. This brings clashing opinions between past and present.

For there to be a true second chance example there would need to have been a license or some permission granted to a select few to manage campaigns; this having been revoked, and then granted again. There is no such thing anyone no matter there trust score can manage a campaign. People will join any campaign regardless of who runs it, just look at the 2 started by a "newbie", of which one actually provided second chances to a couple red trust members.

I can understand why Zaptriz went this route they are trying to provide a service to clients outside of this forum, using the forum as a platform for this. Most of his clients I'm assuming would want the manager to be a neutral or nice shiny green color but that was likely never going to happen without going this route. Assuming they did accurately portray the situations to their customers and they were okay with it, not much to be said they can hire who they like. I do feel like it was shady doing this to the members who would have joined your campaigns as they should have been given the same information, being essentially contractors.


Zaptriz - Just keep doing you. Again just some advice take it or leave it. No more alts, just ride it out and try and earn back some of that 2017 reputation. Escrow and transparency are always advisable. Try not to leave any loose ends out there, it may burn someone else down the road.


EDIT for clarity - Zaptriz does not exist but I like the way it sounds, I'm sure most will get this but I'm sure some will not.

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No one really gets second chances around the forum? Ask every account that has been tagged by the DT who was begging for the second chances? Why special privileges for the accused here? @Pharmacist - You are actively tagging alt the alt-accounts and account sellers in the forum, why haven't you left your tag here when the case is clearly to be of owning multiple accounts, scamming and other stuff. This isn't a rational judgement. If you think he deserves a second chance, why not all those accounts who have been tagged by you don't?

To conclude -  Don't be a bunch of biased hypocrites, if you stand by a principle, support it regardless of the accounts involved. I have nothing against the OP but rules should be equal for everybody.

That's not how the trust system should work and it's borderline fallacy. DT is not some sort of police force and even if it was you probably wouldn't want every cop in the town to respond to every crime.

The fact that e.g. I tagged some (or many) fake ICOs or PayPal scammers doesn't mean I'm obligated to tag them all. The fact that The Pharmacists tagged some (or many) account traders doesn't mean that he's obligated to tag them all. Everyone has their own, possibly subjective, criteria and decision process and that's what makes the trust system work. Otherwise we could just have theymos tag everyone, when he has time between recovering hacked accounts and developing the new forum software.

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So many defending him as a "great" campaign manager..
"Great" campaign manager that will continue to run a campaign as normal knowing that it lies to it's participants and investors, forced because he has a whole 2 weeks invested in it..

Looks like he isn't even holding FULL escrow to protect all the participants..
I haven't asked for a refill of escrow funds from the ICO team.
Friday - Didn't bother asking the devs to refill the escrow since I was quite busy irl, so didn't bother.
Hi everyone, didn't anticipate using this much funds so I've only been able to pay out the first batch, the rest of the heros will have to take a while, messaging devs right now
Hi guys, the escrow was only at ~0.5 BTC, so I wasn't able to make all the payments needed.

Late on payments because he doesn't have the money on hand, the point of escrow.. So much coin he has been holding  Roll Eyes  So trusts
If he is holding coin, why didn't he respond about putting it into an escrow? Just ignored..

Lies to the lender zazarb in his loan application, deleted the OP.. Very untrustworthy, like lying to the bank..
Doesn't seem like zazarb wants to fill the loan now that loyce corrected his lie about..
I wonder how  advertisers trust to you(a whole newbie without history)
I guess, a stroke of luck, a lot of planning and talking landed me this job.
And then..
I would be interested to know if you disclosed this information to the teams behind BQT and IOU before beginning work as their campaign manager.
They know.


People get ruined for less so why all this "second chances"?
Because he can manage a campaign? Any offshore tech support guy can manage a campaign..

Sympathy for him because he was "anti spam" and promoted merits, required merit for his campaign, has favor with the spam police..


The higher interest offered was half not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk, and half me sort of desperate.
Taking out a high interest no collateral loan out of desperation is a GREAT idea..

Loan Amount: 7.5 ETH
Reason:  Trading
ETH Address:     
I would like 0.5 ETH sent here - 0xad81B4033A8B9174a764c736d7F3b14f9b72D5DB
Then the remaining 7 eth here - 0x730dFd99d58D7942DECAE061aB76daf48dAf9510
Term Length: 1 Month Max
Collateral:: None
Interest:: 13%

That's reasonable interest..

This guy wants atriz specifically to hold lending collateral for him
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3178600.msg32953287#msg32953287
But he is inexperienced in lending remember..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1596878.msg32052237#msg32052237
Another loan with a reasonable interest term..

Fuck he groups them for me..

"Small loans for trust"

Open Loan with aTriz (0.5 BTC loaned)
Need 0.35 BTC Loan, payback 14 days max (0.35 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.4 for trading. Payback 1.5 months MAX (0.4 BTC loaned)
Need Loan of 0.25 for trading. Payback 3 weeks MAX (3 day re-payment possible) (0.25 BTC loaned)

All of these loans where done with no collateral and resolved. They aren't small either. Most of these range from 5,000 - 10,000 USD.

If you did a quick search in the lending subforum, you would do this.

He is an experienced lender/lendee..

The higher interest offered was half not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk

Or not?

In need of a 0.35 loan.
Payback in 14 days max, but if things go smoothly, should be paid within 1 week time.
Repayment would be 0.3575 if paid within a week and 0.36 if paid in 2 weeks
No Collateral.

Look at that low requested interest..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2669643.0
10%

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2763447.0
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Loan Amount: 0.4 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Trading
Amount to be repaid: 0.00075 BTC interest daily

Super low interest requested and filled

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0.4 + 0.00075 × 18 = 0.4135.

Returning that to bc1qyhhkhdcml6cfzsjk3wm42jezu689f3mghh3lea

Paid only 3.375% interest on that one..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2906815.0
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Loan Amount: 0.25 BTC
Reason for Taking out a Loan: Trading
Amount to be repaid: 0.001 Interest daily*
Repayment Date: 3 weeks
Type of Collateral: None
Bitcoin Address: 39CNbEgrGq8fx7voYbkt4uHUjSHNy3zYLv

Can sign messages from all of my campaign escrow address and my old 1atriz address if needed.

*If repayment is made within the 3 days, ill bump up interest to 0.005 to cover your tx fees

.001 daily for 21 days is .021 interest on .25 = 8.4% interest..


Offers to pay 33% interest "I dusn no wha intrus is"
Must be a conspiracy..
You there have a great analysis if i were not out of merit then you would had that from me.

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Any offshore tech support guy can manage a campaign..
You really need to stop showing your exaggerated bias and spreading absurdly false information like that.

You there have a great analysis if i were not out of merit then you would had that from me.
Completely unnecessary; worth demeriting actually.

The fact that e.g. I tagged some (or many) fake ICOs or PayPal scammers doesn't mean I'm obligated to tag them all.
But sir, why you tag me and not [insertRandomUser]? Must be this so called "nepotism". Roll Eyes

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October 05, 2018, 08:57:52 PM
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Well, feel free to ask me anything, now the rabbit’s out of the hat. I promise to answer everything honestly.
Anything?  Smiley  Cool

1)How many people are behind accounts Zapo/aTriz?
2)How many accounts do you have?
3)Why your buddy is tagged as scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106197 ?



4)Why support didn't answer?

I'm looking into the Worker is temporarily banned issue and will update here in a few hours.

If you want me to change the BTC address on your account since you can't have duplicates e-mail me

support@hashco.ws

5) Why aTriz has negative feedback?



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Hascows will be re-imbursing every miner 100% of losses incurred on earnings made within the last 7 days prior to the incident (Dec 17th's payout inclusive). This means any funds you earned between Dec 17th and Dec 24th that were cashed out of your account by the attacker, will be re-added to your account at Hashcows expense. This payout will recover 100% of losses for 463 of the 754 affected users. For the remaining 291 users who are only partially covered by the above, we'll be offering reduced fees of 0.5% for at least the next 60 days to help with any shortfall.

In closing, both aTriz and I want to make a statement on more of a personal level

6) Why some miners complained that hascows run away https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293872.0 ?
7) Why hashcows? Don't you think it sounds like hashcons?  Roll Eyes

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My original plan was to land a couple clients, and then expose myself later on when I had a bunch of experience, and I did some good work for the community. This was earlier than expected, but what can you do.
How did you possibly conclude that, your plan was gonna work? Your campaign management has never been bad, your judgement of things have been though. And that is why some people think you're a con artist/scammer/naive person et al.

Here's the timeline

Late 2015- I talked to the original owner, and we made a deal where I would use his account to learn about BTC, and just grow with the community.
I was in possession of the account, all the way until a couple weeks back, in which someone sort of wanted to trial the account for a week, and then I got it back. If you check my posts, there was a quite well made post addressing a scam accusation. Down below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4765774.msg43073635#msg43073635

TLDR - Bought account when account buying was fine, and then lended out a couple months back for a week, still have it. Only 3 people have had access to aTriz.
So I assume you also brought the private keys of aTriz's staked message back in 2013/14?

That's not how the trust system should work and it's borderline fallacy. DT is not some sort of police force and even if it was you probably wouldn't want every cop in the town to respond to every crime.

The fact that e.g. I tagged some (or many) fake ICOs or PayPal scammers doesn't mean I'm obligated to tag them all. The fact that The Pharmacists tagged some (or many) account traders doesn't mean that he's obligated to tag them all. Everyone has their own, possibly subjective, criteria and decision process and that's what makes the trust system work. Otherwise we could just have theymos tag everyone, when he has time between recovering hacked accounts and developing the new forum software.
But sir DT means Death Team and all scammers are supposed to die... Huh
3)Why your buddy is tagged as scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106197 ?
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4)Why support didn't answer?
I'm looking into the Worker is temporarily banned issue and will update here in a few hours.

If you want me to change the BTC address on your account since you can't have duplicates e-mail me

support@hashco.ws
5) Why aTriz has negative feedback?
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6) Why some miners complained that hascows run away https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293872.0 ?
7) Why hashcows? Don't you think it sounds like hashcons?  Roll Eyes
I think all these questions aren't related to the aTriz/zapo being questioned here, since the account was bought in 2015, so hashcows and his buddy aren't related to the current owner of the accounts aTriz and Zapo.
@Zapo, can you sign a message with the addresses that aTriz owned via this account with today's date?

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October 05, 2018, 09:51:33 PM
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Late 2015- I talked to the original owner, and we made a deal where I would use his account to learn about BTC, and just grow with the community.

I'm not lying.

Come on.

Nobody needs to buy an account (and as marlboroza pointed out - from a scammy mining pool - much fail on due diligence) in order to "learn about BTC" or to "grow with the community". And you didn't post with the account until April 2017 so according to Mr. Occam you mentioned "late 2015" so that you could then say:

Bought account when account buying was fine

Because buying an account in 2017 would not have been "fine" I guess.

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