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I think game-protect should clearly be banned, he just spews a ridiculous amount of bullshit to drum up his crappy site that does nothing other than ask people to sign up with his referral links. Almost all his posts are just shilling it, or directly linking to it.
While I don't necessarily agree with, I don't think JollyGood should be banned though. Definitely having and bumping 4 different threads complaining about betking though shouldn't be allowed, and they should be merged or 3 of them locked or something.
I agree with your general point though, the quality of the forum is really going to shit. Partly due to unchecked spamming by people like game-protect, and partly by the huge amount of low-quality posts people are (literally!) paid to make as part of their sig/avatar campaigns.
Thank you for your post. Well, I have asked Dean Nolan several times to answer some questions to explain why he failed to live up to the whitepaper proposals even though more than $6.5 million was raised in the ICO. When he deleted my post in his self-moderated thread I maybe got twitchy and decided to make the posts. It is too early to say whether in hindsight I would do it again or not. The irony of what you wrote about users getting paid for avatars/campaigns is related directly when Betking had its ICO in 2017 I was warning people the ICO was a scam because of the way the Betking tokens were being pushed and all the misleading information Dean Nolan the owner of Betking provided in order to dupe investors. It was those very same users getting paid for avatars/campaigns by none other than Dean Nolan and Betking that were posting in droves to drown out the voices of reason alerting users to be careful. Dean Nolan and his beloved Betking cannot have it both ways. The most Dean Nolan and Betking managed to do was to lock the Betking thead and re-open another self-moderate done. Dean Nolan should be explaining his actions to investors and also any other person that wants to know why he failed to fulfill the whitepaper proposals and how he will rectify the situation partially refunding or fully reimbursing investors. People invested on whitepaper promises, not lies and scams. When Dean Nolan sent me a PM implying Stake paid me to post against him I took a screenshot and sent to the Stake team. Dean Nolan tried to wriggle out of it by saying to the Stake team " I assume he was paid by another site". Everybody knows Dean Nolan is a spoiled jealous prat but the Stake team kindly turned a blind eye even though if Dean Nolan had his way he would want all gambling sites wiped out so he could have a monopoly. The Stake team are great, Dean Nolan should take a leaf out of their book: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45280777#msg45280777This is what I have been trying to ask Dean Nolan but he declines to answer. I am not too concerned about the Betking website regarding the way users place bets or deposit/withdraw crypto. I am asking him to explain various things regarding the ICO set up and the siphoning of funds under false guises: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893439.msg45824718#msg45824718@Dean Nolan (Betking)
There is a list of questions for you to answer, would you please be kind enough to answer them?
If yes, please do not post URLs to previous posts. Just simple questions will be put forward and we hope simple answers will be given for all to see. That way several things can be cleared up and clarified.
If no, then kindly explain why you declined to answer simple questions regarding Betking Tokens, Betking ICO and Betking in general.
Would you please consider it? By the way, we are in October 2018 now but Dean Nolan has his beloved Betking website still shows © 2013-2017 even though betking.io was registered in 2015. Dean Nolan is making no mention of the Betking predecessor called PocketRocketsCasino which was around in 2013 but it is normal for Dean Nolan to stretch things when he wants. Time to pay your coder to change the "2017" to "2018" and then pay your coder again to update it on new years day   |
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...Dean Nolan should be explaining his actions to investors...
Find me a single investor who is looking for an explanation of my actions. You can't. They are all in direct communication with me, daily. Notice that it is only you and game-protect that repeat this nonsense. Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? They are not posting in any of your 4-5 threads. They are not posting in here. They are not emailing or messaging me. Find me one and I'll answer their questions. You adn game-protect however, I don't need to answer a single questions from you guys. |
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October 06, 2018, 01:17:14 PM
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Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question! I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would be the second ICO 9 months later and while BetKing was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! |
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Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question! I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would the second ICO 9 months later and while the BetKing casino was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! Ah, so just nonsense conjecture and FUD then. If you have a scam accusation, base it on facts. No shit. But then I guess you can't. |
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October 06, 2018, 01:51:17 PM
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Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question! I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would the second ICO 9 months later and while the BetKing casino was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! Ah, so just nonsense conjecture and FUD then. Correct. When you open your mouth only nonsense conjecture and FUD is coming out! If you have a scam accusation, base it on facts. No shit. But then I guess you can't. I already posted the facts of your investment scam. If you are too stupid too read or understand it, it is your failure and not mine! https://imgur.com/a/nt6HUjCThe token value is calculated as:
I + (P /100,000,000)
Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. You announced that the profit of currencies will be added to the token value. The value of the invested currencies temporarily increased up to 200%, but you did not add this profit to the token value! In the real world this is called investment scam! Now and it is very likely, there is the additional accusation of investment scam with publicising false numbers of allegedly received investments to mislead potential investors to fall into your trap. I have currently no proof of this accusation, but all the available info and your shady behaviour clearly confirms that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million. During the legal proceeding against you, you will have to show that you received $6 million investments and I am 100% sure that you will fail! I bet 10 Bitcoins on it!  |
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Don't make it about the forum when it's clearly about you and JollyGood lol I don't really care what the issue is but he has all the rights to express his views and as far as I know, he doesn't look like a troll. Maybe you should rather sort it out with him and end it for once?
Hardly there are 5-10 sites which run businesses legitly, rest of them look for ways to scam users and hence harassing them to ask for proofs or to pay people who they have ripped off is not bad. Technically, it's not harassing but asking proofs/conclusions on the issues raised.
Thank you very much for your post Patatas What you said is completely correct. I am not a troll, I am entitled to ask questions and have all the rights to express my views. I agree with you, Dean Nolan should sort it out once and for all by actually explaining his actions by answering the questions put forward to him. I am happy to make a list and post them here and he can take his time and respond. That would be a very mature way forward on his part. As you correctly stated all I am asking for is conclusions and proof on the issues raised. I can list the queries, issues and questions (just as I have done in the past) and wait for Dean Nolan to reply. All of the users visiting this thread will see them too but Dean Nolan is refusing to address them and instead produces excuses just in order to avoid exposing himself by his own admissions and evidence. And yes, Dean Nolan is trying to show people this is about the forum when it definitely is clearly about Dean Nolan and myself. Thank you for your neutral post Patatas, I appreciate it. |
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there is no point in starting banning people for that , personally I will always play at the sites that I start unless I see a clear scam accusation
I still play on plenty of sites that even has negative trust cause sometimes I find the cases not fair or there is a little bit of info not cleae
so I for sure won't care about some people posts in case I truly like the site
there is a trust system here that can help a little if the attacker is posting nonsense , but some users here bring some valid points
since I don't see investors complaining about betking and since I'm not an investor myself I really don't care about posts regarding this issue and I still use Betking daily
starting banning people who are attacking sites isn't good IMO
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Chazley is just the same as you and game-protect and bitter and jealous of BetKing, he is not a token holder. He just spreads FUD too. Iluvbitcoins I believe has sold all his tokens back to me and actually misunderstood how the ICO worked. As does game-protect because he keeps highlighting a quote that even shows he doesn't understand it. I don't know who jonte is. He claimed to be an investor but wouldn't give his name to me even in pm and didn't ask to join the investor telegram group. If he had 1.5 BTC in the ico he has probably had all his token bought back already. I own 70 million of them, but you all keep forgetting that. "Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them?" No, you don't deserve any of your questions answered since you post lies and nonsense that show you have no clue how anything worked and just believed idiots that also have no clue. Like game-protect and chazley. |
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The token value is calculated as:
I + (P /100,000,000)
Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. Let me help you with that: Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. See how you do not understand how the token model worked and spread lies based on your own misunderstanding? |
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"Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them?"
No, you don't deserve any of your questions answered
Dean Nolan you have several "Betking" usernames (betking.io and betking support etc) so it does not matter which one you use to reply here because the fact remains. Instead of you saying "I will not answer your questions because...." you could have and should have just answered them and if you could have proven me wrong I would gladly remove the Scam Alert from my signature and never ever post in any Betking related thread again..... ... but Dean Nolan fabricates excuses to avoid replying to questions because his own answers will expose his scam. |
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The token value is calculated as:
I + (P /100,000,000)
Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. Let me help you with that: Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. See how you do not understand how the token model worked and spread lies based on your own misunderstanding? Did you add the total profit of currency value increasement to P? If yes, how much? If you did it, why did the token price not increase for at least 100% while the currency value increased up to 200%? I know how the legal system works (civil and criminal laws) and there is nothing to misunderstand for me or lawyers or authorities! Your formula claims that the total profit of currencies (value increase- or decreasement) will be added to the token value, whereas you forgot to add it! By UK laws you are also obligated to do accounting, whereas you forgot it! No wait, your accounting and tax declaration is proper and free available, but you forgot to say where? You also publicly claimed that investors are part of the bankroll and casino operation. You also announced minimum 50% of the investment will be used as bankroll. The value of the bankroll increased up to 200%, whereas you forgot to add it to the token value? If you are too stupid to understand your own nonsense, you possibly should have continued playing poker instead! |
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Clearly, Betking is avoiding some basic questions.
100% transparency = 0% scam and
0% tranparency = 100% scam.
There are many other reputable sites which are totally ok with these type of questions and almost 100% transparent. clearly, Betking is not one of them.
Thanks for the people of are bringing this scam on the surface. And instead of answering questions you are trying to ban them,
SHAME ON YOU BETKING.
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October 07, 2018, 10:15:37 AM |
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and not to be biased but these guys arent trolls because people would just normally act if they would saw a thing that looks suspicious.
Thank you for your post. The OP created this thread in the hope of getting anybody banned for trying to simply expose him (Dean Nolan & Betking scam) I have no idea what alleged threats another user has made in PMs to scammer Dean Nolan & Betking but as far as my own situation is concerned I have asked Dean Nolan to answer some questions to put the scam allegations to rest but he refuses to answer them. You are right I am not a troll, this is exactly how I would act when I saw something that was evidently a scam. Just being suspicious would not make me make allegations, I needed proof and those scams in my signature are based on proof not suspicions. I would like Dean Nolan to answer some simple questions to clear all this up. |
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I think game-protect should clearly be banned, he just spews a ridiculous amount of bullshit to drum up his crappy site that does nothing other than ask people to sign up with his referral links. Almost all his posts are just shilling it, or directly linking to it.
While I don't necessarily agree with, I don't think JollyGood should be banned though. Definitely having and bumping 4 different threads complaining about betking though shouldn't be allowed, and they should be merged or 3 of them locked or something.
I agree with your general point though, the quality of the forum is really going to shit. Partly due to unchecked spamming by people like game-protect, and partly by the huge amount of low-quality posts people are (literally!) paid to make as part of their sig/avatar campaigns.
Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum. I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board. |
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Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards.
Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations. The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us. If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly. |
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Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards.
Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations. The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us. If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly. I would counter that at the very least game-protect does participate in harassment. Currently he's trying to get me kicked off my sig campaign by going as far as doing the following: Hijacking the thread: http://archive.is/o8qQbAnd leaving neg rep on the campaign manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=449925 ( https://i.imgur.com/qKRwydr.png) All because I disagreed w/ his shady business practices, and continued to question him on questions he wasn't able to answer. He takes the same approach w/ Casinos on this forum. I completely agree w/ freedom of speech, don't get me wrong. But I do believe certain systems should be off-limits to users who abuse them (such as the trust system, etc) |
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Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum.
I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board. @StunnaThank you for the the post. Going by what you wrote I would like to emphasise that many in this forum believe that it is due to a lack of awareness on part of several parties (mods, staff, victims, newbies, scammers...) that has allowed the atmosphere for all kinds of scams including ICOs to take place with those doing the scamming not being held to account. When users try to hold the scammers to account then the scammers try to censor them. It is really as simple as the trolls dominating this board? Is there a possibility the scammers are actually dominating this board? I agree with you, staff here are against censoring users but is it possible their lack of awareness regarding this scene has actually allowed the scammers to flourish and dominate this board? I doubt Dean Nolan will make a Betking forum because there just are not enough users interested or using his Betking website. Furthermore because Dean Nolan is not a coder himself. He does not have an in-house group of coders that work for him therefore he will have to pay someone to make even the slightest or smallest alterations on modifications on his Betking website but it then allows for the possibilities however unlikely for the "coder" to do all sorts of things associated with fraud. He still has not even change the copyright footer from 2017 to 2018 even though we are in October 2018 and I pointed it out to him days ago... I have nothing but positive words for both Stake and Primedice as can be seen by my comments in the Stake thread but for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers. Dean Nolan is doing the opposite of what Stake owners and mods are doing. Even when he sent me the PM alleging Stake and Primdice were paying me to made negative posts about his Betking, the Stake team let it go with kind words that is why I hold both Stake and Primedice along with its owners and mods with full respect and in the highest regard: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45199982#msg45199982And Stunna you even gave me 5 merits in your thread which when you follow the latter part of the thread there is not a single post by me which shows I am doing anything negative at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45978387#msg45978387I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them? If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things. Whereas I respect your views on the matter Stunna I really would appreciate them even more if you and other members would make a clear distinction between the way I post and the game-protect does (which many have already done in this thread) and if you and other members would kindly ask Dean Nolan to just publicly answer the questions I will compile about the 2017 ICO so we can all move on. |
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I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them?
If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him.
First, I don't negotiate with people like you. Just apologising and removing your signature wouldn't even be close to enough. You would at very minimum need to delete every single one of your posts that you spread lies about BetKing in. But you won't, I know what your aim and job is. Second, I have absolutely no reason to answer anything you ask because you 1) Posted lies and FUD and went on a 4 month smear campaign to try and give me and BetKing a bad reputation and stear players away form the site. You posted so many lies and assumptions that were just outright wrong. There's even one the post I'm quoting. I am a developer. You can't even get that right when it's pretty public knowledge. 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. 3) You don't listen to any other answers I have given you, many to the actual list you posted too btw. Instead you just post shit and bury my answers so no one can see. You still can't seem to comprehend that there is a PRIVATE telegram group that token holders are in that I post in all the time. One of the members of that group has even posted in here. Notice how they didn't accuse me of scamming? |
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October 08, 2018, 10:45:06 AM
Last edit: October 08, 2018, 11:12:26 AM by JollyGood |
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I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them?
If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him.
First, I don't negotiate with people like you. Just apologising and removing your signature wouldn't even be close to enough. You would at very minimum need to delete every single one of your posts that you spread lies about BetKing in. But you won't, I know what your aim and job is. Second, I have absolutely no reason to answer anything you ask because you 1) Posted lies and FUD and went on a 4 month smear campaign to try and give me and BetKing a bad reputation and stear players away form the site. You posted so many lies and assumptions that were just outright wrong. There's even one the post I'm quoting. I am a developer. You can't even get that right when it's pretty public knowledge. 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. 3) You don't listen to any other answers I have given you, many to the actual list you posted too btw. Instead you just post shit and bury my answers so no one can see. You still can't seem to comprehend that there is a PRIVATE telegram group that token holders are in that I post in all the time. One of the members of that group has even posted in here. Notice how they didn't accuse me of scamming? You refuse to answer questions because you are a scammer. You list your reason for refusing to answer simple questions in order to deflect away from your scam. I gave you thread URLs of people complaining about the way you scammed them, others had no idea what was promised in the whitepaper small print so are clueless about it but it does not take responsibility from you. Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities. |
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