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October 07, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
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Seems like Lauda is not anymore in DT. Am I correct?

However, It's quite confusing for me. I found a thread from 2017 when he/she got off. How this DT works actually? Sorry, I know there are some more threads on it. But, I am asking about DT in general and the case about Lauda specifically.
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October 07, 2018, 11:54:20 AM
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Seems like Lauda is not anymore in DT. Am I correct?

However, It's quite confusing for me. I found a thread from 2017 when he/she got off. How this DT works actually? Sorry, I know there are some more threads on it. But, I am asking about DT in general and the case about Lauda specifically.
I'm pretty sure Lauda was on DT2 atleast since last week. (S)he must have been removed either today or earlier this week.

Basically my understanding of it is that someone who is on DT1+ can add you to his/her trust list, which makes you DT2. You can also exclude users from your trust list, but this is only visible for yourself?

I personally think it's pretty vague too, and would love to get a better understanding of it.

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Pretty sure to become DT2 you need 3 DT1 members to add you.
Is there a source on this? How many people from DT1 need to exclude you to kick you off again? (Or does it not exactly work that way?) As i said i'm pretty curious to know.



Also, are there any other topics discussing why Lauda got kicked from DT2? seems pretty bad for the forum as a whole? (Hundreds and hundreds of accounts potentially being untagged?)

I'm assuming it has something to do with the feedback left by Rmcdermott927 that sparked some discussion? See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872


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October 07, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
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Looks like you are correct. I left my trust settings on default and Lauda does appear to have been excluded.

What would have happened is one of the dt1 level members that had added Lauda to their trust network must have removed Lauda. Pretty sure to become DT2 you need 3 DT1 members to add you.

That's my understanding anyways



Wondering how you noticed this so quickly, possibly an alt account that's no longer painted red?

Edit: Great explanation below, cleared it up for me a bit.

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short version: DT has 'depths,' which by default, is set to 2, although it is possible to see up to 4. Depth 1 is managed directly by the administration; only the admins can add or remove uses from this category. Depth 2 is managed by the individuals in depth 1 by adding or excluding them to their trust lists (the big text box on this page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust).
when a dt1 user decides to add a user to their trust list, that user becomes a part of dt2, and vice versa for depths 3 and 4 as well (although depths 3 and 4 are nearly irrelevant ). At this point, for a person to be removed from their dt2 position, 1 of 2 things can happen;

1. the dt1 member who added that user to their trust list removes them
2. the user is excluded by at least 2 other members in dt1 by entering ~<username> as opposed to just their username into the list

the second method serves to ensure that dt2 can be self - monitored to an extent without direct interference by the administration. If a member is taken off of dt2 through exclusion, their name will be 'slashed through' on the trust settings page as such: username.

Also, if you're wondering what the numbers next to their names mean, it denotes the number of dt1 users that have decided to either add or exclude a member from their trust lists. assuming the user is on 1 dt1 user's trust list (1), the exclusion of the member by 2 other users would put them at a (-1).

If you're curious, you can click the 'hierarchical view' link at the bottom of the page, and you will be able to see exactly which users have decided to include or exclude certain users from their trust lists.

In this case, it would seem Lauda has been excluded by 3 dt1 members: HostFat, OgNasty, and Tomatocage, while he is on the trust lists of 2 members: Blazed and hilariousandco.

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October 07, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
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As per, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full, Lauda is...

Included by: Blazed & hilariousandco

Excluded by: HostFat, OgNasty & Tomatocage
 
Someone must have excluded him recently. Who is he?

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October 07, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
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October 07, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
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Someone must have excluded him recently. Who is he?

I didn't follow BTCtalk-drama channel from a while since I am busy lately but I assume HostFat is the third one (might be inaccurate).
Anyway, there should be a way / buttons to check and include all the trust list of another member or a part of it to your trust list directly without adding 999 members one by one...

 
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October 07, 2018, 01:40:58 PM
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I didn't follow BTCtalk-drama channel from a while since I am busy lately but I assume HostFat is the third one (might be inaccurate).
That's inaccurate. Its either OgNasty or Tomatocage.

Anyway, there should be a way / buttons to check and include all the trust list of another member or a part of it to your trust list directly without adding 999 members one by one...
There's already a way for that. Simply add Lauda to your trust list and you'll find all his tags as yours.

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October 07, 2018, 01:54:01 PM
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That's inaccurate. Its either OgNasty or Tomatocage.

I doubt it was OgNasty as they had both left each other negative feedback, Og's to Lauda being February 14 of this year.

Given that I can't imagine Lauda had remained on the Og's trust list up until now.


I noticed it too as I browse once again to this thread which OP has red trust but today after checking the thread OP doesn't have the negative trust anymore.  Some users in that thread warned the investors because OP has red trust. I guess that guy can now regain. I wonder what happen to why he was removed.

That makes sense, must have been tagged early.

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October 07, 2018, 01:57:57 PM
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Looks like you are correct. I left my trust settings on default and Lauda does appear to have been excluded.

What would have happened is one of the dt1 level members that had added Lauda to their trust network must have removed Lauda. Pretty sure to become DT2 you need 3 DT1 members to add you.

That's my understanding anyways



Wondering how you noticed this so quickly, possibly an alt account that's no longer painted red?

Edit: Great explanation below, cleared it up for me a bit.

I noticed it too as I browse once again to this thread which OP has red trust but today after checking the thread OP doesn't have the negative trust anymore.  Some users in that thread warned the investors because OP has red trust. I guess that guy can now regain. I wonder what happen to why he was removed.

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October 07, 2018, 02:02:36 PM
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That's inaccurate. Its either OgNasty or Tomatocage.

I doubt it was OgNasty as they had both left each other negative feedback, Og's to Lauda being February 14 of this year.

Given that I can't imagine Lauda had remained on the Og's trust list up until now.

If it wasn't HostFat, and it wasn't Ognasty,

I was excluded by HostFat months ago due to my vocal disapproval of Bitcoin Unlimited which he strongly supports (talk about trust abuse?). Sometime yesterday OgNasty excluded Lutpin, Zepher and myself. I probably wouldn't have noticed it this quickly either, but people kept spamming me about it.


it has to be TomatoCage, right?

-- Well, Tomatocage hasn't been online for several months. --

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Could it be that someone instead removed Lauda from his trust list, as opposed to someone ~~~excluding him?

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Could it be that someone instead removed Lauda from his trust list, as opposed to someone ~~~excluding him?
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SaltySpitoon apparently withdrew their inclusion at some unknown time (I use a custom list, thus can't tell these things quickly). No idea what's going on on this lovely Sunday.

There's an unusually low amount of drama due to a lack of Quickseller & alts' threads. Grin

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SaltySpitoon apparently withdrew their inclusion at some unknown time (I use a custom list, thus can't tell these things quickly). No idea what's going on on this lovely Sunday.

There's an unusually low amount of drama due to a lack of Quickseller & alts' threads. Grin
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SaltySpitoon apparently withdrew their inclusion at some unknown time (I use a custom list, thus can't tell these things quickly). No idea what's going on on this lovely Sunday.

There's an unusually low amount of drama due to a lack of Quickseller & alts' threads. Grin
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October 07, 2018, 03:17:17 PM
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SaltySpitoon apparently withdrew their inclusion at some unknown time (I use a custom list, thus can't tell these things quickly). No idea what's going on on this lovely Sunday.

There's an unusually low amount of drama due to a lack of Quickseller & alts' threads. Grin
Surprised and sorry to hear this.  Any idea what this is about?  Is it because of that escrow scam accusation that was active in Meta recently?  I didn't read that close enough to understand exactly what happened, but it seemed like people were pretty divided on that one.

What newbies might not understand is that DT status can be precarious and that it's not some static list, although many who are currently on it have been for a long time.  And unfortunately there's a cost associated with someone like Lauda getting removed, i.e., everyone tagged by him/her is now untagged.

I'd like to hear the rationale on this one.  I didn't see anything else in Meta.

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Well, I'm pretty sure that the ones reading this thread, who had any of their alts tagged by Lauda, must have started searching the databases of their forum accounts to find those accounts and bring them back to live since now their negative tags are removed.  Grin Unless their accounts had got tagged by someone else too.

Edit: #TrustRuinsLives  Grin
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Well, I'm pretty sure that the ones reading this thread, who had any of their alts tagged by Lauda, must have started searching the databases of their forum accounts to find those accounts and bring them back to live since now their negative tags are removed.
Good point! I'll compile a list of accounts tagged by Lauda, and sort them on their "Last Active" date. I don't think anyone is going to just copy 2000 red tags, so this should make it more manageable.


They're fast! ChrisLandin reactivated today. He stopped posting the moment Lauda tagged him (in June 2017), and made only one more post in December 2017. Now he's back.

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I don't think anyone is going to just copy 2000 red tags
ehhhhhhhh..... dunno about that. wouldn't count it out.

that aside, a lot of the accounts are still red from multiple dt tags, might be a better idea to prioritize those that are now neutral from lauda's removal from dt.

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might be a better idea to prioritize those that are now neutral from lauda's removal from dt.
Agreed! But I can't scrape that Sad

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Wondering how you noticed this so quickly, possibly an alt account that's no longer painted red?
Yesterday, I saw red paint in mmm01's profile while today it is not, simple.

If you're curious, you can click the 'hierarchical view' link at the bottom of the page, and you will be able to see exactly which users have decided to include or exclude certain users from their trust lists.
Nicely explained. Thank you mate.

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I'll compile a list of accounts tagged by Lauda.
Is it possible to list accounts who were only painted by Lauda?
Sorry, I am quite late.
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As per, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full, Lauda is...

Included by: Blazed & hilariousandco

Excluded by: HostFat, OgNasty & Tomatocage
 
Someone must have excluded him recently. Who is he?
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Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2, there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters.  Sad

I'm sure they won't stay long untagged, so if they join a bounty now they will get kicked very soon if they receive red trust again. But after all these DT changes show, how important it is to have abuser's accounts tagged at least by two DT members.

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Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2, there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters.  Sad
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Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2.
There is nothing to sort out. If any DT1 member includes Lauda in his trust list, it will sort out automatically.

there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters.  Sad
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Trying to list all the users who turned into neutral from red.
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You beat me to it: Keeping an eye on users with red trust from Lauda

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October 07, 2018, 06:35:07 PM
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Not exactly, there has some difference between the two lists. You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.
Also, I have listed 100 only till now.
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October 07, 2018, 06:37:39 PM
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You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.
I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.

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October 07, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
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You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.
I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.

Thank you both for your efforts in filling this gap quickly to protect forum users.

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October 07, 2018, 06:41:12 PM
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You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.
I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.
It will be quite easy for you, also less time-consuming. I do have to do it manually which consumes huge time. So, can I stop working on it? As, it is easier for you.

Removed from DT1 it doesn't mean all feedback has removed. All feedback will reflect on Untrusted feedback. If someone visit profiles and check untrusted feedback than obviously he will see that tag. If anybody never check all feedback before make any trade than it will not much benefits to make list. If peoples are very lazy than he deserve scam.  
I doubt 10% people know that there is a trust system without DT, lol. Also, those trust isn't seen in profile by default if you don't change your setting.
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October 07, 2018, 06:41:24 PM
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Removed from DT1 it doesn't mean all feedback has removed. All feedback will reflect on Untrusted feedback. If someone visit profiles and check untrusted feedback than obviously he will see that tag. If anybody never check all feedback before make any trade than it will not much benefits to make list. If peoples are very lazy than he deserve scam.

It would be better option if others DT tag them those have tagged by Lauda. But I think its not possible as well. On the other hand, as far as I know Lauda removed DT1 multiple time and someone put back again. I think same thing will happen again. So there is nothing celebrate for scammers.

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October 07, 2018, 06:47:54 PM
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It will be quite easy for you, also less time-consuming. I do have to do it manually which consumes huge time. So, can I stop working on it? As, it is easier for you.
Up to you Smiley
If you still want to check who's red or not, I'd say start from my list once it's ready (~2000 profiles takes ~40 minutes to scrape), the ones who are offline for a very long time aren't really relevant at the moment.

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October 07, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
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It would be better option if others DT tag them those have tagged by Lauda. But I think its not possible as well. On the other hand, as far as I know Lauda removed DT1 multiple time and someone put back again. I think same thing will happen again. So there is nothing celebrate for scammers.
It would probably be an even better option to verify that anyone someone is considering leaving negative trust that they are in fact a scammer (or someone who will likely scam in the future). They shouldn’t leave a negative rating just because lauda says the are a scammer without evidence.

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October 07, 2018, 07:06:30 PM
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It would probably be an even better option to verify that anyone someone is considering leaving negative trust that they are in fact a scammer
I don't think DT member tagged someone without any issue although there might be some exceptions.

(or someone who will likely scam in the future).
A proverb going that Black will take no other hue.

They shouldn’t leave a negative rating just because lauda says the are a scammer without evidence.
Most of those have enough reference link. Without reference link, tagging again will look awkward. In this case, DT can check the ref link and tag.
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