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December 07, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
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Regulation is not the silver bullet to these long established problems. Criminals and the like have been using fiat for decades in their operations and all the KYC and AML in the world is not going to stop or hinder their ability to bypass these regulations.

Just have a look in the Invites & Accounts forum as an example. Anyone right now can buy a fully verified bank account from some dubious seller.
This one example alone shows the that the current regulation regime is not fit for purpose.  
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December 10, 2018, 12:49:07 AM
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I agree with the author that there are two sides of regulation and there will always be those who embrace it and want to run a legal business and pay taxes. I'm more on the purists' side and believe that we don't need it and shouldn't fit BTC into the current system, just like Andreas said. We should leave it as an alternative to those who don't want to be watched and controlled by the big brother.
for anyone who does not want to be taxed and does not want to be supervised by a country, it can be ascertained that the person is in trouble, because if we are recognized in a country and we are taxed then we will feel safe doing all trading activities and we will be categorized as traders legal, different if we avoid supervision and avoid taxes, we are no different from the perpetrators of crime, bitcoin is not a crime then we should not avoid the supervision of the state.
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December 20, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.

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January 01, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
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We must know it by now that regulations are an inevitable thing to happen as it is the government's way of accepting cryptocurrencies in their country. The reason of regulation is not only for them but also for the protection of their citizens as the article also stated other things that the government is facing is money laundering (and other criminal activities) and also the protection of their financial system all of which can be protected with proper regulation involve. Regulation can protect their citizens by not letting fraudulent ICOs and other scams being promoted in their country as an investment opportunity, countries monitoring their cryptocurrency industry is helping their citizens not to fall victim in these kinds of scam.
Regulations are not only for Government control but for everyone's good ultimately. The none regulatory nature on crypto so far has been damaging; failed ICO, Scam ICOs, Hackers on the prowl, If you mistakenly transfer your funds to a wrong address, it is lost forever ..... and the issues go on. So it is very necessary that we look at this regulation from an objective standpoint.

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January 01, 2019, 04:27:59 PM
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Without regulation, I can't purchase minimarket with crypto because there is no EDC machine.

Because of regulation, not just able to purchase with crypto but also support the currency so the value able to increase from time to time !
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January 01, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
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Given the history of Bitcoin and why it was created in the first place, it seems contrary to it's creation to 'regulate' it - in saying that, every system needs some sort of guidance to run by and regulations are the easiest forms of that (well I believe anyway)
It is not a question of changing the principles of its existence in the regulation of cryptocurrency. The usual regulation of cryptocurrency includes the formal determination of its legal status, the determination of the order and conditions of its circulation within the state and, as a rule, the resolution of the issue of its taxation. Solving these issues not only makes it possible to legalize cryptocurrency, but also creates the conditions for the formation of an infrastructure for its practical use as a means of payment. Therefore, government regulation is necessary for the further development of cryptocurrency and its introduction into the life of citizens.

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January 06, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
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I agree with the author that there are two sides of regulation and there will always be those who embrace it and want to run a legal business and pay taxes. I'm more on the purists' side and believe that we don't need it and shouldn't fit BTC into the current system, just like Andreas said. We should leave it as an alternative to those who don't want to be watched and controlled by the big brother.
for anyone who does not want to be taxed and does not want to be supervised by a country, it can be ascertained that the person is in trouble, because if we are recognized in a country and we are taxed then we will feel safe doing all trading activities and we will be categorized as traders legal, different if we avoid supervision and avoid taxes, we are no different from the perpetrators of crime, bitcoin is not a crime then we should not avoid the supervision of the state.

so in short do you wanna get charged by taxes ? bitcoin does not need to be regulated in order for you to do it because you can still pay your taxes if you really like it though  .  

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cryptocurrency ? yes we do need it because it is verry useful and has improved our life alot .  regulation ? no we dont need it anymore because cryptos isnt a kind of usual money  . crypto is built purely for online purposes   and of course we dont like to get charged by a tax or any other value added charges  because right now we are already paying a high fees whenever we use our cryptos  . i cant imagine what will be left to our coins if we will get charged by both tx fees and tax  .
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January 06, 2019, 06:19:31 AM
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A little implementation of rules is enough to support people's protection against little mischiefs. cryptocurrency's pre-centralized environment can be successful if people wouldnt implement a total hold of the law. This is what people like about this investment and they shouldnt take that away from us.

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January 22, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
Thats right, I think we really need regulation, with regulations many people will know about bitcoin, many of them start to believe because Bitcoin have been legalized, from that bitcoin market will be wider and bigger, of course it will make the market more crowded and prices will increase, many positive effects will come if regulation happen
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January 22, 2019, 07:26:11 AM
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Perhaps China and the United States have agreed wholeheartedly on a matter for the first time in their history. You cannot perform Cryptocurrencies activities without permission.   
 
The basis for the "closed" China and "free" America to restrict Cryptocurrencies transactions has been the unfair competition activities experienced in the Cryptocurrencies system (frauds, false information, Cryptocurrency Scams etc.)
 
A bigger loss than the billion dollars the Cryptocurrencies industry has lost due to Unfair Competition, is the several trillions of US dollars which was expected to come in, but only because of the loss of confidence due to unfair competition, that cannot enter the Cryptocurrencies industry.
 
There is only one problem confronting the Cryptocurrencies industry. The Cryptocurrencies industry should determine how and by which means, based on which rules and foundations it will implement its specific commercial rules by self-regulation. It is obvious that self-regulation is the solution. It is also clear that when considered in the legal grounds Cryptocurrencies is software-based industry, and that the software actually does not differ anymore from books, movies, or photography.
 
The fact that the Cryptocurrencies industry's software is mostly qualified as open-source and public domain leads to the conclusion that this industry should be considered as a part of or within the scope of freedom of expression, such as books. Since it is not possible for a payment or exchange instrument in mention subject to an unprohibited form of expression (software) to define itself as a security that is subject to the activity permit before the law, the positioning of local governments themselves as forbidding country or vice versa, as Cryptocurrencies as paradise, will not have any legal response.
 
For example, Malta, declaring to be a Cryptocurrencies-friendly country, issued a fairly comprehensive legislation. However, on the concession agreement of Binance, who has announced that it has moved to Malta and has positioned itself as one of the largest stock exchanges in the field of Cryptocurrencies, the addresses and titles of the company (or persons) that own the market still do not appear.  Let's assume that an investor with an account in Binance, although provided all the necessary conditions, is hacked; in such a case its only legal interlocutor will be a virtual platform whose address or the titles of the executives are unknown. Therefore, a governmental or supra-governmental super-centralized structure, whether it be a Cryptocurrencies-friendly, or a limit-enforcing structure, clearly cannot be a solution. In fact, it is also crystal clear that Malta is not a solution, as explained in this example.
 
The method that will ensure the arrival of trillions of dollars into the Cryptocurrencies industry, and the bases and practices of this method should, in summary, be based on the following principles;
 
•   A governmental or supra-governmental super centralized structure cannot be the solution; first and foremost, this situation is contrary to the constitutions of the free countries and additionally, it contradicts with the open code, open book and centerless features of the Cryptocurrencies system.
 
•   It can only be delusion to expect for trillions of dollars to come to an area where there is unfair competition and trust cannot be provided.
 
•   Self-regulation is the only remedy to prevent unfair competition existing in the Cryptocurrencies system. With the self-regulation system, the Cryptocurrencies industry must determine its own commercial customs and rules (standards).
 
•   However, it is necessary to carefully determine the implementation methods of the self-regulation system. Firstly, the principle of solving justified investor and customer complaints must be accepted as a “prerequisite" standard. In addition, the rule of truthful declaration where the players in the Cryptocurrencies system (according to their license types) each month regularly fill in the digital questionnaires in the platform, so that they will disclose their information to the public in a correct and accurate manner should be considered as the second standard. These two ethical standards will not harm the free and fair structure of the Cryptocurrencies system. On the contrary, the two ethical standards described above will leave those who give false information and bad players that have infiltrated into the world of Cryptocurrency, which cannot solve justified customer complaints out-of-the-game / out-of-the-platform. The basis of this application method can be provided by certificates based on self-regulation system. 
 
•   IP (Intellectual Property) rights, basically, can be said to be incompatible with the free and open-coded system of the Cryptocurrency world. However, the basis of the foundations (simple and ethical rules) that will be established between the players of a self-regulation system, let it be set up according to IP rights or set up according to the contract law, will not change the results. With IP rights, no ownership is granted from the system's open source codes. By taking only two code of ethics as the basis for self-regulation a commitment to compliance will be sought after in order to apply these ethical rules. They convey our open society policy to the public and do not keep the information in its own right. Naturally, the code of ethics cannot have its law or legislation. However, when extraordinary situations are encountered such as the hacking of a crypto stock exchange whose address and identity are inaccessible and losses are not compensated, it is an absolute necessity to be able to answer questions like "Do we have an insurance?" or "where are you located?". Those who do not disclose the most basic information primarily harm our right to access to open society and information.
 
•   What is important here is to enable a neutral, fair implementation structure (platform) to reach up to a model closest to the ideal with warnings and notifications of the Cryptocurrencies industry.

•   One of the critical issues here is how to understand whether the player to enter the platform is honest or not. It is also possible that bad players cannot be detected at the time of the application and that they may infiltrate to the platform (the self-regulating platform). First, the platform will examine all applications very thoroughly. ICOs will require additional commitment and ICO applications without trust and escrow accounts will not be accepted by the platform. Licenses of platform members (licensees) who are not able to resolve unjustified investor complaints or gave false information, will be canceled. However, it is important to note that investors should carefully examine the information disclosed, that this information is declared by the platform participants and that this information may not be accurate. At this point, the seventh aim of the platform (i.e. the damage compensation project of those affected by the licensees) is not yet disclosed. The project to be carried out for this purpose will be announced as a result of the study to be conducted with licensees and WCCS community members. Yet, it is fair to say that it will not cover the past but the future, and its content will be explained in the same way in the future.


The World CryptoCurrency Standards online platform is developped to perform as an indicator to distinguish  the dedicated blockchain crypto projects (Cryptocurrencies, Tokens, Markets, Service Providers and Icos), among inconsistents.

https://wccstandards.com/home (WCCS) itself is an independent platform. WCCS has no relation or conflict of interest with any crypto project or blockchain bussiness. WCCS has no subject on appreciation of any crypto project. As blockchain and crypto enthusiasts, the main purpose of the platform is to stabilize the valuation of crypto world; by validating transparency and reliabiity of the applying Crypto projects.

WCCStandards.com is the only solution to the question of how the CC system can defend itself against the attacks claiming that it is an unreliable bubble. We are saying, if the Crypto Eco-system manages itself to be more transparent and project-dedicated, than it will automatically regulate itself against speculation and manipulation. Therefore potentially there would be no need for governmental regulations.

Many Crypto actors in the world of Cryptocurrencies (CC) don't bother themselves to indicate their project headquarters.

The decentralized, P2P, open-source software terms is the soul of the Crypto Eco-system but those terms are so much twisted and used by the Crypto Project Holders to cover their responsibilities and identities to Crypto Eco-system.

The responsibility of a Crypto Project is huge but simple in order to maintain a healthy structure for a transparent and reliable Crypto Eco-system. That goes for all Cryptocurrencies, Tokens, Markets, Icos and Service providers.

As the community grew - as more and more enthusiasts joined - as more people interested in Crypto wallet ownership;  many more unreliable, inconsistent  actors came out to fraud people with cover identities and fancy but not working so-called Crypto Projects.

A strange wave of greed covered the whole eco-system. The noisy cheers of those who started to double their money in a very short period of time took more and more attention than working on and questioning the life-changing reliable Blockchain and Crypto projects. As the value of cryptocurrencies and tokens multiplied, fraud ıco and market actions multiplied. Thus the Eco-system started to face the trust and bubble issues.

The questions about the efficiency, reliability, and sustainability of the Blockchain and Cryptocurrency technology soon turned to be accusations of bubble and fraud.

Investors intend to differentiate Blockchain projects from Crypto projects. Fintech investors intend to ignore the Crypto world. Big actors repeat themselves saying they believe in Blockchain future but Crypto world might collapse.

WCCstandards.com separates itself from that arguement, however, as a determination, there can’t be efficient blockchain future without benefiting reliable crypto projects and without tokenization.

We are currently in a cycle; that many valuable blockchain and crypto projects - started up in order to bring favorable progress on the real-world problems - are facing hardest times to convince the world on their arguments.

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January 22, 2019, 07:51:45 AM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
Thats right, I think we really need regulation, with regulations many people will know about bitcoin, many of them start to believe because Bitcoin have been legalized, from that bitcoin market will be wider and bigger, of course it will make the market more crowded and prices will increase, many positive effects will come if regulation happen

SEC had already imposed these regulations in some part of the world, there ain't no baking out now. This is going to be done because of the potential scam that arises complains from investors the only question is whether they can truly regulate it because even today they can't do it. If anonymity is the issue of the players in this market, there are still ways not to be part of it but the scams are still there.
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January 22, 2019, 10:14:15 AM
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Without regulation, I can't purchase minimarket with crypto because there is no EDC machine.

Because of regulation, not just able to purchase with crypto but also support the currency so the value able to increase from time to time !
Therefore regulations must be made so that many agencies and stores start accepting payments with bitcoin.
without regulation of course merchants will think twice about adopting bitcoin. we really need this regulation
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January 22, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
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I agree with the author that there are two sides of regulation and there will always be those who embrace it and want to run a legal business and pay taxes. I'm more on the purists' side and believe that we don't need it and shouldn't fit BTC into the current system, just like Andreas said. We should leave it as an alternative to those who don't want to be watched and controlled by the big brother.
Atleast there are options and i am more on the dont wanna watched and controlled by the big brother,regulation is needed just for the sake of security and assurance but not to the point of interfering

I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
Thats right, I think we really need regulation, with regulations many people will know about bitcoin, many of them start to believe because Bitcoin have been legalized, from that bitcoin market will be wider and bigger, of course it will make the market more crowded and prices will increase, many positive effects will come if regulation happen
Absolutely,we are still a small community and we must be regulated by the crypto rules and not by the governments or any other third party
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January 22, 2019, 12:17:58 PM
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I think for bitcoin there is no need for regulation, except altcoin. Both are very different, altcoin is a pure business idea and they print money based on coins and tokens they have, very different from bitcoin. Because there are hundreds of developers, ideas and energy to create bitcoin can run until now, many developers on bitcoin are not to get rich instantly. And bitcoin was created as an alternative payment as well as a criticism of the central bank.
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January 22, 2019, 05:38:29 PM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
The community cannot effectively fight cryptocurrency fraud, especially in ICO. Scammers will simply ignore any social rules. I'm not talking about hacking. Only state bodies can effectively deal with these problems. Therefore, we need the legalization of cryptocurrency if we are going to feel more secure with cryptocurrency, and not at our own risk.
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January 22, 2019, 10:50:00 PM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
The regulation serves to bring every investor who still has doubts, I am sure many investors are already looking for bitcoin but he is still waiting for a regulation. The brain of an investor is not fixed on this day, but they will guess what will happen and what must happen in the future. Having a prediction is important, so that you believe in the future of bitcoin, don't just focus on today.
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January 24, 2019, 02:18:22 AM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
Thats right, I think we really need regulation, with regulations many people will know about bitcoin, many of them start to believe because Bitcoin have been legalized, from that bitcoin market will be wider and bigger, of course it will make the market more crowded and prices will increase, many positive effects will come if regulation happen
Absolutely,we are still a small community and we must be regulated by the crypto rules and not by the governments or any other third party
I mean the government too? if the government provides regulation, of course all communities, whether merchants or services, will certainly adopt bitcoin as well, now our concern and purpose is to get regulation from the government, because that will be the key to mass adoption and many other positive things
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January 30, 2019, 05:28:08 PM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
State regulation of cryptocurrency is necessary, because through a certain regulation of cryptocurrency, its legalization takes place, and without legalization it cannot further develop. Without legalization of cryptocurrency by the state, the infrastructure for the practical use of cryptocurrency as a means of payment cannot be developed. Especially regulation is now necessary for the activities of ICO projects, no public scrutiny can eliminate the problem of fraud in ICO, this can only be done by authorized state bodies.
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January 31, 2019, 05:42:15 AM
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Quite the irony. While I don't believe Bitcoin is created to create and ditch government, but somehow more people believe government approval is needed to grow ecosystem. I believe government will eventually accept the fact that it's impossible to ban crypto, and they'll regulate it in order to make sure nobody will fall for scams, but the pessimistic approach that crypto won't grow without government help is a little annoying.

We've grown so much right now, without any help from government. Peer to peer exchange is almost impossible to stop, and government certainly realize that too.
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February 16, 2019, 12:22:29 AM
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I have only one answer for present moment - we need no regulation now. Because market is small, and bitcoin using not a lot of people. It must be regulated only by crypto community.
State regulation of cryptocurrency is necessary, because through a certain regulation of cryptocurrency, its legalization takes place, and without legalization it cannot further develop. Without legalization of cryptocurrency by the state, the infrastructure for the practical use of cryptocurrency as a means of payment cannot be developed. Especially regulation is now necessary for the activities of ICO projects, no public scrutiny can eliminate the problem of fraud in ICO, this can only be done by authorized state bodies.


That is very true. If other people in the crypto market wants to stay stagnant and red for more years then don't support regulation. But if they are using their heads then push it and have faith in it. Crypto is not just about our own interest but it should be about everyone.
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