AMD RX 670 | RX 680 12nm Speculations

[octominer]

OCTOMINER here. We work tightly together with a big AMD factory in China and we have received info that the RX 680 will only perform around 10-15% better than the RX580. Maximum 20% but currently it looks more like 10-15% increase in hashrate and efficiency. Also, around 10% retail price drop incoming for the RX 580 at the end of this month. We will post more here when I get more info and a sample in hand. 

We will try to be one of the first to also offer OEM RX 680 GPUs bulk to our bigger customers with already modded BIOS loaded onto them.
Currently we buy RX 580's BULK directly from the factory with already modded BIOSes, the GPUs perform better than Sapphire Nitro RX580 out of the box. Our OEM RX 580 8G GPUs get 30.5MH/S at 128-130W power draw, we noticed our RX 580's are around 5-10W more efficient than BIOS modded MSI ARMOR RX580 8G. (this is real life power draw, the AMD GPU power measurements from software are not accurate).   

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[fanatic26_]

From the reports so far, the 6xx series will be no more powerful than the 5 series cards, so dont expect any big hashrate increases. id say 10-15% gains are optimistic.

[octominer]

From the reports so far, the 6xx series will be no more powerful than the 5 series cards, so dont expect any big hashrate increases. id say 10-15% gains are optimistic.

Yes, agreed. 15% should be on the high end, looks like 10% is more realistic. That's why also the RX580 will get a 10% price drop at the end of this month.

[adaseb]

From the reports so far, the 6xx series will be no more powerful than the 5 series cards, so dont expect any big hashrate increases. id say 10-15% gains are optimistic.

Yes, agreed. 15% should be on the high end, looks like 10% is more realistic. That's why also the RX580 will get a 10% price drop at the end of this month.

Is the RX 570/580 even in production anymore? I think the production ended months ago because the prices never really went down from over MSRP.

I think some stores have been increasing their prices to reduce their sales but increase their revenue and they were just hoarding them for the last few months, basically betting on another crypto rush and where they can get away with selling them for +50% MSRP.

[leowonderful]

From the reports so far, the 6xx series will be no more powerful than the 5 series cards, so dont expect any big hashrate increases. id say 10-15% gains are optimistic.

Yes, agreed. 15% should be on the high end, looks like 10% is more realistic. That's why also the RX580 will get a 10% price drop at the end of this month.

Is the RX 570/580 even in production anymore? I think the production ended months ago because the prices never really went down from over MSRP.

I think some stores have been increasing their prices to reduce their sales but increase their revenue and they were just hoarding them for the last few months, basically betting on another crypto rush and where they can get away with selling them for +50% MSRP.

I'm pretty sure the cards are now out of production or towards the end of the production process now with prices going as low as they are now secondhand and even new, and there doesn't seem to be another crypto mining rush on the horizon with the way crypto markets and the mining atmosphere is currently; I can't see AMD continuing to manufacture them anymore. Seems most stores are now lowering prices as demand lowers and revenue is going downwards too. The next price cuts likely won't be too big, but it's an interesting time for gamers and miners alike. GPUs haven't been at such a good price-to-performance ratio in quite some time.

[octominer]

From the reports so far, the 6xx series will be no more powerful than the 5 series cards, so dont expect any big hashrate increases. id say 10-15% gains are optimistic.

Yes, agreed. 15% should be on the high end, looks like 10% is more realistic. That's why also the RX580 will get a 10% price drop at the end of this month.

Is the RX 570/580 even in production anymore? I think the production ended months ago because the prices never really went down from over MSRP.

I think some stores have been increasing their prices to reduce their sales but increase their revenue and they were just hoarding them for the last few months, basically betting on another crypto rush and where they can get away with selling them for +50% MSRP.

I'm pretty sure the cards are now out of production or towards the end of the production process now with prices going as low as they are now secondhand and even new, and there doesn't seem to be another crypto mining rush on the horizon with the way crypto markets and the mining atmosphere is currently; I can't see AMD continuing to manufacture them anymore. Seems most stores are now lowering prices as demand lowers and revenue is going downwards too. The next price cuts likely won't be too big, but it's an interesting time for gamers and miners alike. GPUs haven't been at such a good price-to-performance ratio in quite some time.

RX580 and RX570 is still being mass produced at the moment,  I have seen it myself last week in the factory, there was a production run of 11K RX580 for Powercolor. Of course the quantities are less than some months ago due to the current market slump and decrease in mining profits.  RX680 core mass production has already started by AMD but the GPU factories in China have not yet started GPU mass production with them yet, they are making engineering and test runs. Mass production will start soon though.

Big mining operations still put in 10k+ GPU orders for RX580's. We know this because we sell them the GPUs with our OCTOMINER mining rigs and work directly together with a reputable AMD GPU factory in Shenzhen, China.  

[D1NG0]

Now the wind’s blowing towards an RX 590.  

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[jsanzsp]

RX 600 will be at 7nm

RX 590 will be at 12nm same hashrate less power.

[BillieCrypt]

Transition from 14 nm to 12 nm will not give a significant increase in performance and energy efficiency. Based on this, RX 590 doesn’t make much sense for mining. RX 600 should have a significant gain in hashrate, and saves energy, so they will be a good acquisition at a reasonable price.

[Mattthev]

RX 600 will be at 7nm

RX 590 will be at 12nm same hashrate less power.

The difference with RX590 will be like between RX400 and RX500 moreless.
So RX600 maybe next spring?

[leowonderful]

It seems likely that the RX 590 will feature the same GDDR5 memory as the 580 and the same memory speed as the 580 according to this Digital Trends article, with just a bump in core memory speed, so the card should have just a very minor bump in mining speed or basically the same hashrate as the 580 on memory intensive algorithms as some have said here. Can’t wait to see how the 600 series does in mining.

[sxemini]

OCTOMINER here. We work tightly together with a big AMD factory in China and we have received info that the RX 680 will only perform around 10-15% better than the RX580. Maximum 20% but currently it looks more like 10-15% increase in hashrate and efficiency. Also, around 10% retail price drop incoming for the RX 580 at the end of this month. We will post more here when I get more info and a sample in hand. 

We will try to be one of the first to also offer OEM RX 680 GPUs bulk to our bigger customers with already modded BIOS loaded onto them.
Currently we buy RX 580's BULK directly from the factory with already modded BIOSes, the GPUs perform better than Sapphire Nitro RX580 out of the box. Our OEM RX 580 8G GPUs get 30.5MH/S at 128-130W power draw, we noticed our RX 580's are around 5-10W more efficient than BIOS modded MSI ARMOR RX580 8G. (this is real life power draw, the AMD GPU power measurements from software are not accurate).   

30.5Mh / s at 130w? This is to slow and consume to much. Every of my RX570 does 31 - 32 MH @ 0.85 voltage. This consumes less then 130w. I will measure one rig in the next days.

[Natuhant]

OCTOMINER here. We work tightly together with a big AMD factory in China and we have received info that the RX 680 will only perform around 10-15% better than the RX580. Maximum 20% but currently it looks more like 10-15% increase in hashrate and efficiency. Also, around 10% retail price drop incoming for the RX 580 at the end of this month. We will post more here when I get more info and a sample in hand. 

We will try to be one of the first to also offer OEM RX 680 GPUs bulk to our bigger customers with already modded BIOS loaded onto them.
Currently we buy RX 580's BULK directly from the factory with already modded BIOSes, the GPUs perform better than Sapphire Nitro RX580 out of the box. Our OEM RX 580 8G GPUs get 30.5MH/S at 128-130W power draw, we noticed our RX 580's are around 5-10W more efficient than BIOS modded MSI ARMOR RX580 8G. (this is real life power draw, the AMD GPU power measurements from software are not accurate).   

30.5Mh / s at 130w? This is to slow and consume to much. Every of my RX570 does 31 - 32 MH @ 0.85 voltage. This consumes less then 130w. I will measure one rig in the next days.

I think yours are moded individually. Theirs are mass produced, so not tuned to the best.

[octominer]

OCTOMINER here. We work tightly together with a big AMD factory in China and we have received info that the RX 680 will only perform around 10-15% better than the RX580. Maximum 20% but currently it looks more like 10-15% increase in hashrate and efficiency. Also, around 10% retail price drop incoming for the RX 580 at the end of this month. We will post more here when I get more info and a sample in hand.  

We will try to be one of the first to also offer OEM RX 680 GPUs bulk to our bigger customers with already modded BIOS loaded onto them.
Currently we buy RX 580's BULK directly from the factory with already modded BIOSes, the GPUs perform better than Sapphire Nitro RX580 out of the box. Our OEM RX 580 8G GPUs get 30.5MH/S at 128-130W power draw, we noticed our RX 580's are around 5-10W more efficient than BIOS modded MSI ARMOR RX580 8G. (this is real life power draw, the AMD GPU power measurements from software are not accurate).  

30.5Mh / s at 130w? This is to slow and consume to much. Every of my RX570 does 31 - 32 MH @ 0.85 voltage. This consumes less then 130w. I will measure one rig in the next days.

Hey. Thanks for the input but get an exact wall power reading and report here. Software power readings can't be trusted. RX570 @ 0.85 voltage, could actually mean that it pulls around 140-150W from the wall. Also, running it at 31-32 will not be good for long term usage, if you want to get a solid 2 years+ from your GPU. 30.5-31MH/S is the sweet spot that most big scale miners run their RX580s at.

[netto7]

have any news?

i saw only downgrade rx580 version.

[octominer]

have any news?

i saw only downgrade rx580 version.

Not yet, but I will be posting some news next week.
I just had a meeting in one of the AMD factories that we work with(finishing a 3000 GPU order for a client for OCTOMINER rigs) in Shenzhen and I can share some news next week about upcoming GPUs.  ;

[c0ffeelake]

So the rumours have been out for a week or so but AMD is not feeding it. I think they still have something in the tank before the 7nm next year, so a Polaris 30 wouldn’t be bad.

RX 670 out this month and RX 680 the next... Or who knows?!

Don’t expect a big performance boost, will be using the GGDR5 with some additional CUs.

On Ethash,
< 40MH/s for the RX 680
< 35MH/s for the RX 670
That too if it can be harnessed by the modders.

Again, might just be the romour mill.

i've got the same hashrate on vegas, but 670/680 should be cheaper

[netto7]

have any news?

i saw only downgrade rx580 version.

Not yet, but I will be posting some news next week.
I just had a meeting in one of the AMD factories that we work with(finishing a 3000 GPU order for a client for OCTOMINER rigs) in Shenzhen and I can share some news next week about upcoming GPUs.  ;

thanks for telling news.

[Mattthev]

So the rumours have been out for a week or so but AMD is not feeding it. I think they still have something in the tank before the 7nm next year, so a Polaris 30 wouldn’t be bad.

RX 670 out this month and RX 680 the next... Or who knows?!

Don’t expect a big performance boost, will be using the GGDR5 with some additional CUs.

On Ethash,
< 40MH/s for the RX 680
< 35MH/s for the RX 670
That too if it can be harnessed by the modders.

Again, might just be the romour mill.

i've got the same hashrate on vegas, but 670/680 should be cheaper

This might only happenned if they will use as stock 2250MHz clock memory or GDDR6...