You think I am a scammer? mdayonliner's reputation

[xtraelv]

So it looks like mdayonliner abused that Ambassador airdrop/bounty with alt accounts?  Does that sound about right?

(I may just forget about this forum completely or may consider creating another account /This time anonymous like most of you all have/)

I would advise you to be a lot less ambitious in your dealings on bitcointalk if you go that route.  I never thought you offered to do that escrow deal so you could run away with the money, but you most likely would have had the temptation to, and given that you didn't have a reputation as an escrow, it was an ill-advised offer.  My impression was always that you were trying to build a reputation here too quickly, and that got you in trouble.

So what about the apparent alt accounts you had participating in the bounty I mentioned above?

Certainly looks that way. The nguyenthanhhieu status was posted first and when I checked it showed that it has not been edited.




https://archive.fo/6wSFj

The Mdayonliner post was posted the following day with the same twitter status.


https://archive.fo/rQ5eg


https://archive.fo/yfw53

Account farmers tend to make mistakes. Getting confused with which profile they are posting.

[1713873809]

1713873809

[1713873809]

1713873809

[1713873809]

1713873809

[1713873809]

1713873809

[mdayonliner]

I would not bother to make another post to say the old stuffs again and again but seems like here xtraelv bought another new dimension to spice up the entire mdayonliner reputation again. You are doing very good job xtraelv since you were caught on exchanging merit with your friend (which later I figured was not intentional). You are mixing truths (I was involved with online marketing stuffs before joining the forum)¹, semi truths^1aa, mistakes where I had no hand and regretted in public numerous times ^1a, innocent mistakes when a system was too new to understand^1b, finding mistakes in regular things^1c and lies very wisely. I wonder how do you find everything all together? I hope you don't plan for them to frame me.

So it looks like mdayonliner abused that Ambassador airdrop/bounty with alt accounts?  Does that sound about right?

(I may just forget about this forum completely or may consider creating another account /This time anonymous like most of you all have/)

I would advise you to be a lot less ambitious in your dealings on bitcointalk if you go that route.  I never thought you offered to do that escrow deal so you could run away with the money, but you most likely would have had the temptation to, and given that you didn't have a reputation as an escrow, it was an ill-advised offer.  My impression was always that you were trying to build a reputation here too quickly, and that got you in trouble.

So what about the apparent alt accounts you had participating in the bounty I mentioned above?

This post is for The Pharmacist:
Remember once you said you admire/respect me out of the few users on this forum? This was a moment of feeling that I will never forget. I was not even aware about my place that much on the forum before this compliment. After that - I looked for comments and looked for users who always admire me and my work. I easily discovered a circle.

When I found the circle I felt responsible. When I felt responsible then I started to think about my best skill to offer the community and I found that helping the community is the one I can do the most. I focused more on helping the community answering the stuffs they are looking for which I know. I never even thought of having ALTs, abusing ALTs comes later. My all focus was to build up a name for me, a positive impression using mdayonliner account so that I find more people who admire me. Who does not want to earn a name for themselves?

I was doing well until the escrow offering ambitious move and that was a mistake which I did not think of that time. The red from hilary was not even stopping me to perform my duty to the community, I was still doing my job. But every time when I found a bad finger pointing on me because of the red trust I felt bad. I even found in my local topic some people are telling me bad things and some other people are defending me, I found members are even thinking that I may sell merit if I become a merit source. All because of the red trust. Having a red trust is a huge burden for a user like me who are not known to a large number of users. I was tired of taking insults from the users who do not know me.

I don't mind having a red trust for offering a large sum (a mistake which I realized the weight later) but I do mind when people say... I am:
- A scammer
- Promoted ponzi on the forum
- A shady character
- A merit abuser
- Don't deal with this guy (me) he is not trustworthy
- Can sell merit if I become a merit source
etc etc. All because of the red trust I have where the red trust was given because I offered a large sum as a escrow but you will clearly see the interpretation of the members are not limited to the original reason. On top of it, marlboroza's questionable(?) red paint. The ponzi promoting topic was created long ago by xtraelv but why marlboroza was silent all those days and woke up far later even the hilary's tag? Why marlboroza wanted to know in PM that when I withdrew the escrow application (before or after the red tag from hilary)? When I responded then why did not marlboroza asked me anything else about it for long time. He was active and we had conversations with several other stuffs in between.

Anyway, back to the ALT and abusing bounty accusation, the new direction from xtraelv, the reason I had to break my rule and had to post another post from this account.

https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK and https://twitter.com/FollowMasudul are my twitter no doubt about it. I have participated few bounties in my entire bitcoinTalk life times but only CREDITS Ambassador Campaign is the one which I started from the beginning and stayed till the end. This was the reason...

I was an investor in CS ICO. Good to see this campaign.

I got paid as well for the bounty: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x838f6d0ec680728b5e99267cefc14d73299ff0c88ce7a693a727ee647f3f74c7

Accounts bought into attention are so far...
phantiennghia
nguyenthanhhieu
quangtrung1991

and all used the twitter account: https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK

phantiennghia: A user made 4 posts where one post has bounty submission using my twitter handle
nguyenthanhhieu: A user made 5 posts where one post has bounty submission using my twitter handle.

quangtrung1991: Seems like a typical bounty hunter who posted my twitter username where s/he was suppose to post the Facebook URL. What I assume is he wanted to copy my reporting format, forget to change the URL. Notice the number of followers section: mdayonliner post has 2136 which is close to the current followers 1736 and the other account post has 3023 followers.

The post from quangtrung1991 account seems a mistake from the user where the other two users (phantiennghia and nguyenthanhhieu) post seems planed? or what could be the possible reason. Why would I (mdayonliner) will make two posts on June09 and June12 from two brand new accounts created on April 03 and May 22 when I was doing very well with my mdayonliner account. FIY hilari tagged me on July 09. Another point worth to note is: The fight between me and xtraelv was started on May 19 precisely on May 09. I have no accusation against anyone by the way coz I have really decided to give up from this account. My be I will start over, may be I already did, may be I will never look back to BitcoinTalk life.

But before I go, I would like to give you a final thought @The Pharmacist and others about this new acquisition: If I create few bitcoinTalk accounts and then start finding your tweets of a bounty campaigns you are and post them using those alts to frame you (perhaps) will that make you (the real The Pharmacist) a bounty abuser?

I tried my best to prove/defend my image on the forum even with this surprising new one (alt account and abusing bounty). On my defending and even all those past days I have never lied (consciously) which I only know. Certain things I can never change even if I try thousand times. I was never a perfect one and I don't expect to be one coz it's never possible for a human. It was a pleasure hanging out on this forum with all the goods and bads. May be someday I will come back proving everyone wrong that offering the 20BTC escrow was a legit one. I had no intention to walkaway with the money even the amount is a very very huge one.

Good luck everyone, good luck BitcoinTalk.

¹

You've been caught trying to escrow a large amount

^1a

You've been caught receiving merit from your brother.

^1b

You've been caught merit begging.

^1c

You've been caught shitposting numerous times. (73 replies deleted by moderators and 9 topics removed according to bpip.org)

^1c

You've been caught being part of a dodgy signature campaign.

^1aa

You've been found to have a history of promoting multiple ponzis

^1c

You've received 3 forum bans.

Archive

[o_e_l_e_o]

After that - I looked for comments and looked for users who always admire me and my work. I easily discovered a circle.

My all focus was to build up a name for me, a positive impression using mdayonliner account so that I find more people who admire me.

For me, this is maybe the most concerning things you have said yet, short of offering the escrow deal.

Searching for users who admire you? Trying to build a personal circle of users? It screams of narcissism and complete self-centeredness. You have pretty much just admitted that everything you did on the forum was for your own personal gain and achievement. With every post you made you weren't thinking "Does this contribute to the conversation?" but instead "Will this make more people admire me?"

The real question is why you were so desperate to build a "positive impression" so quickly. You ran your loan service no problem with no trust and even negative trust. You could have bought, sold or traded anything with no trust by using a trusted escrow, as many people do. You could probably even have started escrowing small amounts before long. Many people spend years on the forum with no trust rating but are still looked upon positively by the community. Being so desperate for positive trust makes you look more like a scammer.

Your self admission that "all your focus" was on gaining admirers is scary. Previously, I thought you were probably just naive offering that escrow deal. Now, I'm not so sure.

[xtraelv]

I would not bother to make another post to say the old stuffs again and again but seems like here xtraelv bought another new dimension to spice up the entire mdayonliner reputation again. You are doing very good job xtraelv since you were caught on exchanging merit with your friend (which later I figured was not intentional).

There is no doubt that I would like to consider Lafu a friend. We chat occasionally on discord. I neither know his real name and neither does he know mine (although I could easily find out) . I admire him for his knowledge and dedication towards helping others with crypto.  There are others on this forum that I would like to consider friends as well. People of who I don't know their RLI but chat with regularly regarding crypto. I doubt it precludes me from giving merit to them for a deserving post.

But for an exchange to take place there would have had to have been some sort of agreement. There was none. I never discussed merits with Lafu until after you made the allegation. I have no need for an account beyond "JrMember" since I never participate in bounties or signature campaigns. So merit is not important to me.



I was not caught exchanging merit. It was your allegation that I exchanged merit. Your methodology was flawed. I did not exchange merit. When I gave merit there was no expectation of anything in return.

You are mixing truths (I was involved with online marketing stuffs before joining the forum), semi truths, mistakes where I had no hand and regretted in public numerous times , innocent mistakes when a system was too new to understand, finding mistakes in regular things and lies very wisely. I wonder how do you find everything all together? I hope you don't plan for them to frame me.

Your involvement in "marketing stuff before joining the forum" was promoting ponzis. Lets call it what it is.

This is where the issue is. You accuse me of lying but you have not identified a single lie. I have offered to change any mistakes in the information.

All the evidence I have presented I have backed up with a source so people can check it themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Now you are trying to insinuate that I would frame you ? Those are just weasel words.

EDIT:
https://archive.fo/6r01l

[The Sceptical Chymist]

But before I go, I would like to give you a final thought @The Pharmacist and others about this new acquisition: If I create few bitcoinTalk accounts and then start finding your tweets of a bounty campaigns you are and post them using those alts to frame you (perhaps) will that make you (the real The Pharmacist) a bounty abuser?

OK, so you're saying someone else was using your genuine information in a bounty in order to frame you?  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if it made sense to me why someone would do that.  In cases like these, it's seems to be always more likely that the person actually is enrolling alt accounts to earn more money.  And how do you explain that you posted the same Twitter link as nguyenthanhhieu did AFTER he'd already posted it?  Had he done this previously?

Can anyone find any more info that would link the accounts in question to mdayonliner?  I'm not a good blockchain detective by any means and not a great detective in general.  

As to the part I bolded above:  if you were to find evidence of something like that happening, I would expect someone to bring it forward and challenge me on it, and I'd expect a neg as a result.  But since I don't participate in bounties (just the Chipmixer campaign), don't use social media, it would be very hard for someone to frame me like that.

[Lauda]

But before I go, I would like to give you a final thought @The Pharmacist and others about this new acquisition: If I create few bitcoinTalk accounts and then start finding your tweets of a bounty campaigns you are and post them using those alts to frame you (perhaps) will that make you (the real The Pharmacist) a bounty abuser?

OK, so you're saying someone else was using your genuine information in a bounty in order to frame you?  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if it made sense to me why someone would do that.  In cases like these, it's seems to be always more likely that the person actually is enrolling alt accounts to earn more money.

That's very much possible, and has happened to me. However, I'm not sure whether OP actually stated that or is talking about a hypothetical scenario.

[marlboroza]

On top of it, marlboroza's questionable(?) red paint.

There is nothing questionable in my feedback. Both feedback is true, previous one and new one.

The ponzi promoting topic was created long ago by xtraelv but why marlboroza was silent all those days and woke up far later even the hilary's tag?

I didn't wake up later, I am always here.

Why marlboroza wanted to know in PM that when I withdrew the escrow application (before or after the red tag from hilary)? When I responded then why did not marlboroza asked me anything else about it for long time. He was active and we had conversations with several other stuffs in between.

What conversations OMG. You sent me message to check something and I said I can't find anything and you should report it to admin. That can't be called conversation. What other conversation you have in mind? I can't find them in my PM.

Can you please point me several conversations between?

edited - "I can't find anything" was about something else.

[allahabadi]

WOW; this thread has made me reflect on a lot of things, as it is I never trusted anyone on this forum and this reinforces my earlier opinion.

BTW I see finally Lauda has red trust and The Pharmacist has yellow; although I am not in general agreement with the Pharmacist and even suspect him to be a blockchain nincompoop; the neg on him/her is in bad taste.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

and even suspect him to be a blockchain nincompoop; the neg on him/her is in bad taste.

The part I bolded I wouldn't argue with and I've probably even said as much about myself in the past.

If the neg on me you're talking about is the one by iluvbitcoins, I'm over that issue and I resolved it from my end (I'm a he, BTW).  One thing I learned early on is that trust ratings and DT status can be fleeting.  I've seen a lot of members go from green to red and a few get booted from DT, including myself the first time I was added to the list.  That's just how it is here, and the more time you spend here the less you'll be surprised when stuff like this happens.

[xtraelv]

and even suspect him to be a blockchain nincompoop; the neg on him/her is in bad taste.

The part I bolded I wouldn't argue with and I've probably even said as much about myself in the past.

If the neg on me you're talking about is the one by iluvbitcoins, I'm over that issue and I resolved it from my end (I'm a he, BTW).  One thing I learned early on is that trust ratings and DT status can be fleeting.  I've seen a lot of members go from green to red and a few get booted from DT, including myself the first time I was added to the list.  That's just how it is here, and the more time you spend here the less you'll be surprised when stuff like this happens.

From what I have seen it is more of a curse than a benefit to be on the DT list.

[hilariousetc]

After that - I looked for comments and looked for users who always admire me and my work. I easily discovered a circle.

My all focus was to build up a name for me, a positive impression using mdayonliner account so that I find more people who admire me.

For me, this is maybe the most concerning things you have said yet, short of offering the escrow deal.

Searching for users who admire you? Trying to build a personal circle of users? It screams of narcissism and complete self-centeredness. You have pretty much just admitted that everything you did on the forum was for your own personal gain and achievement. With every post you made you weren't thinking "Does this contribute to the conversation?" but instead "Will this make more people admire me?"

Sometimes people just want to be trusted so they can make more money as quickly as possible here (nothing inherently wrong with that),  and sometimes people want to be trusted just so they can abuse that trust at some point and run off with as much money as possible. I'm really on the fence about mdayonliner. He could just be one of those naive guys who jumps into the deep end head first and wants to just make a bit of cash as fast as he can and however he can, or he could be one of those guys who would have just run off as soon as they earned enough trust to be trusted with a large amount of money. You could also start out with the greatest of intentions, but once someone entrusts you with a lot of cash it can make even a good man turn bad and we've seen a few previously very trusted people abuse their 'trusted' position here in the past once they got their hands on an amount they liked. Given mdayonliner ponzi past and a few other things it makes me trust him a lot less, but again, he could just be naively wanting to earn as much as he can, but it's the people who who will often make money whichever desperate way they can that you often have to be most weary of.

But before I go, I would like to give you a final thought @The Pharmacist and others about this new acquisition: If I create few bitcoinTalk accounts and then start finding your tweets of a bounty campaigns you are and post them using those alts to frame you (perhaps) will that make you (the real The Pharmacist) a bounty abuser?

OK, so you're saying someone else was using your genuine information in a bounty in order to frame you?  

Sometimes it's not done to frame someone per se, but it's just bots or bounty spammers trying to abuse other user's publicly posted details. Most of these ICO crap campaigns are lax with their checking and many probably don't even do any sort of verification so it's easy for someone else to use some other users detail and post it as their own. Seen it happen numerous times and I've even seen someone using my name on spreadsheets to try claim bounties with their own address etc.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You could also start out with the greatest of intentions, but once someone entrusts you with a lot of cash it can make even a good man turn bad and we've seen a few previously very trusted people abuse their 'trusted' position here in the past once they got their hands on an amount they liked.

Every man has his price, as the old saying goes. Whether or not that's true, well that's a whole other discussion.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm really on the fence about mdayonliner. He could just be one of those naive guys who jumps into the deep end head first and wants to just make a bit of cash as fast as he can and however he can

I've said it before, I think mdayonliner was just being too ambitious both in his efforts to make money and build a reputation for himself on bitcointalk--the latter is always why I thought he offered to escrow that huge amount.  But I also agree that once an amount like $100k is in someone's hands, there's got to be some temptation to just take it and run.  I never thought his escrow offer was a scam attempt, but it was ill-advised at best.

As far as the ponzi stuff goes, I have very mixed feelings on it, but only as far as when it happens on bitcointalk.  For one thing, ponzis have their own section here, so you know they're rampant and Theymos doesn't give a shit about them, and another reason is that I think most people who participate in these "investor-based games" basically know what they're getting into and that just like other forms of gambling, there's only a small chance of winning.  I've always thought that whole section should be nuked, but it must benefit the forum or the bitcoin community....or someone.

This is also why I tended to ignore mdayonliner's ponzi history and in general why I don't tag ponzi promoters--but I respect those members who do take a stand against them.

From what I have seen it is more of a curse than a benefit to be on the DT list.

DT members definitely get a lot of shit for things they do or don't do, and as you know I've made some mistakes in tagging members based on bad evidence or bad judgement, and that doesn't give me a good feeling.

[Matt Hardy]

If having negative trust on a profile means that someone is a scammer (cheated or stole money or done shady activities in anywhere) then the entire trust system is a misleading system because in my whole life I never committed such action. Hope it make sense. You guys make me regret joining this community and using my real identity.

Trust issue comes when to judge that is a scammer or not and this lead to the proper system to identify the trusted people. But since here monetary facts involved, you deserve to get a red mark on your trust level. This forum is a huge platform now and there are so many scams around us. So it is one of the major responsibilities for the modos to have the right mark (Green or Red) beside the profile so that people can easily track whom to trust and from whom to stay away. Thanks seniors for flagging properly.

[hilariousetc]

I'm really on the fence about mdayonliner. He could just be one of those naive guys who jumps into the deep end head first and wants to just make a bit of cash as fast as he can and however he can

I've said it before, I think mdayonliner was just being too ambitious both in his efforts to make money and build a reputation for himself on bitcointalk--the latter is always why I thought he offered to escrow that huge amount.  But I also agree that once an amount like $100k is in someone's hands, there's got to be some temptation to just take it and run.  I never thought his escrow offer was a scam attempt, but it was ill-advised at best.

As far as the ponzi stuff goes, I have very mixed feelings on it, but only as far as when it happens on bitcointalk.  For one thing, ponzis have their own section here, so you know they're rampant and Theymos doesn't give a shit about them, and another reason is that I think most people who participate in these "investor-based games" basically know what they're getting into and that just like other forms of gambling, there's only a small chance of winning.  I've always thought that whole section should be nuked, but it must benefit the forum or the bitcoin community....or someone.

Sometimes people's goal is just to make money in any which way they can. I think his ponzi past it's relevant because there's usually a certain type of people who get involved with them - get rich schemers who don't really care how or why they get their money as long as it enriches them. Of course, many of them probably know what they're getting into and accept the risks, but if you're ok with making money from ponzis where you know someone is going to end up out of pocket it's not a big step to taking money that doesn't belong to you when you get the chance, especially when it's a huge amount and running off with it would likely have no repercussions legally. As with mdayonliner we will never know whether he would have or not, but the risk for me is too big to ignore unluckily for him. I never really trust anyone who offers to hold onto other's money when they're not qualified to and more often than not it does go sour when they do and that's why this is such a big issue that makes me intrinsically distrust people when they do it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I never really trust anyone who offers to hold onto other's money when they're not qualified to and more often than not it does go sour when they do and that's why this is such a big issue that makes me intrinsically distrust people when they do it.

For what it's worth, I understand your position on this and respect it--and I know why you left that neg for mdayonliner.

In real life, I generally tend to look for the best side of people, though I'm not stupid enough to take everything people say and do at face value.  And yes, I've been fooled many times before and expect I'll be fooled again.  I try to take a much more skeptical approach on bitcointalk, where it seems like the proportion of scammers here is orders of magnitude greater than it is IRL. 

Every man has his price, as the old saying goes. Whether or not that's true, well that's a whole other discussion.

I suspect it's true for most people, unfortunately.  We've all seen seemingly good members go bad on bitcointalk when the potential to run away with someone's funds presents itself, and I'm pretty sure we've also seen this happen in business, politics, and a lot of other situations that have nothing to do with this forum. 

As for me, I'm going to try to be more vigilant, diligent, and fair when evaluating whether someone deserves a neg--and I'll do my best to not be so naive about members and the image they try to present to the forum.  I'm not comfortable when mistakes come back to bite me in the ass because I relied on someone else's blockchain detective work and handed out undeserved negs because of that.

[mdayonliner]

And how do you explain that you posted the same Twitter link as nguyenthanhhieu did AFTER he'd already posted it?  Had he done this previously?

I don't think I understood your question correctly. nguyenthanhhieu is not me so saying "you (me, mdayonliner which I understand I guess) posted the same Twitter link as nguyenthanhhieu did AFTER he'd (who?) already posted it? Had he(who?) done this previously?" is making me confuse. Can you rephrase it please?

However I guess I figured the confusion: If I am not wrong then we are talking about this two posts...
https://archive.fo/6wSFj#selection-3065.0-3065.84 post #1011
https://archive.fo/rQ5eg#selection-5981.0-5981.84 post #2199

And the twitter feed is:  https://twitter.com/cDesignsUK/status/1003628228907446278

It seems I (mdayonliner) made the last post (#2199). According to the twitter date-time I made this tweet/retweet at 6:23 AM - 4 Jun 2018 nguyenthanhhieu posted it on June 09, 2018, 05:11:05 AM


This is the post which I edited/updated with the draft reports (every time I made a twitter posts and/or facebook posts for the weeks. The original date of the post was May 30, 2018, last edited September 02, 2018). Once I completed the task for a week I copied the report part from the post and submitted the report for the week. Check all the report links posted from for all the weeks (week#1, #2, etc).

What I assume is: for week #2 (post#2199) I was staking my Twitter and Fecebook posts on the draft post#3. Before I completed my task for the whole week nguyenthanhhieu copied from my draft post and made post#1011 on June 09, 2018 which was obviously before my reporting post for that 2nd week June 10, 2018. Now, I see I edited the post on June 17, 2018. I can not recall why I did that but most probably I edited any spelling mistake on the bottom part of the note I left for the bounty manager.

Can anyone find any more info that would link the accounts in question to mdayonliner?

Not exactly it's "any more" (How it's any more where there were no link at all. Anyone can post my twitter feed from their bitcoinTalk account and in this case they already did for whatever the reason)

...is talking about a hypothetical scenario.

That's correct.

As to the part I bolded above:  if you were to find evidence of something like that happening, I would expect someone to bring it forward and challenge me on it, and I'd expect a neg as a result.  But since I don't participate in bounties (just the Chipmixer campaign), don't use social media, it would be very hard for someone to frame me like that.

It was a hypothetical scenario which obviously was not meant to you but seems like it happened/happening to me.

phantiennghia: A user made 4 posts where one post has bounty submission using my twitter handle
nguyenthanhhieu: A user made 5 posts where one post has bounty submission using my twitter handle.

quangtrung1991: Seems like a typical bounty hunter who posted my twitter username where s/he was suppose to post the Facebook URL. What I assume is he wanted to copy my reporting format, forget to change the URL. Notice the number of followers section: mdayonliner post has 2136 which is close to the current followers 1736 and the other account post has 3023 followers.

The post from quangtrung1991 account seems a mistake from the user where the other two users (phantiennghia and nguyenthanhhieu) post seems planed? or what could be the possible reason. Why would I (mdayonliner) will make two posts on June09 and June12 from two brand new accounts created on April 03 and May 22 when I was doing very well with my mdayonliner account. FIY hilari tagged me on July 09. Another point worth to note is: The fight between me and xtraelv was started on May 19 precisely on May 09. I have no accusation against anyone by the way coz I have really decided to give up from this account. My be I will start over, may be I already did, may be I will never look back to BitcoinTalk life.

This is where the issue is. You accuse me of lying but you have not identified a single lie. I have offered to change any mistakes in the information.

If I start listing the lies then I am sure there will be a long list however I am not sure if I am willing to do that but if that is very necessary then I will do that.

All the evidence I have presented I have backed up with a source so people can check it themselves and draw their own conclusions.

The job of a journalist is to provide information not to justify. From the beginning you picked a side, your motive was to destroy me. So you pulled the information and always left your judgement to manipulate the readers. The readers found some of the information from you which were truth and based on that they trusted your manipulated judgement as well.

This is how you started everything at the beginning...

Time to shut down this blackmailing spam clown.

The archive and original post can be read here: http://archive.is/CiVJK#selection-1431.0-1431.47
The changed contents of the same post are available here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.msg37869385#msg37869385

Point is, you have edited and updated your posts so many times (after I left the responses of the original posts) that your motives at the very beginning and the motive the user get now (after reading the current contents) are totally opposite.

I guess it's important to know the source of an issue in between two person when they involve in arguments. Your editing and updating of old posts including bringing up those online businesses I was involved in the past - made a very good impression to the community to easily pick a side or why not anyone else (except marlboroza) were talking about (never really bothered to talk about) the last video where I declared publicly that I gave up promoting those businesses?


When I was doing my investigation the user xtraelv had only 133 merits where 33 was earned. Out of that 33 merits, 13 were from Lafu (6 transactions )

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36439011#msg36439011 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36860882#msg36860882 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg32362928#msg32362928 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31817321#msg31817321 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31104253#msg31104253 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg30798924#msg30798924 (3)

There were 19 merits that sent to Lafu from xtraelv (3 transactions)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg36746425#msg36746425 (10)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg33965514#msg33965514 (2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669443.msg31744134#msg31744134 (7)

All seemed (seems) sent for some customer service for Cryptopia topic. Source: http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/897509.html

But for an exchange to take place there would have had to have been some sort of agreement. There was none. I never discussed merits with Lafu until after you made the allegation.

How would I or anyone know? Everyone (including me) have no doubt about the xtraelv now that s/he are capable of earning merits and his/her judgement about sending merits are good enough but that time, people had no idea that the old xtraelv were capable of receiving merits and had a good judgement of sending merits specially after looking at the screenshots above.

There is nothing questionable in my feedback. Both feedback is true, previous one and new one.

Questionable because you never wanted to answer the questions I left on the investigation topic.

I didn't wake up later, I am always here.

By waking up I meant about the red trust you left for me. You could left one shortly after hilary tagged me or may be after the PM respond I left for you. What took you too long to tag me?

What conversations OMG. You sent me message to check something and I said I can't find anything and you should report it to admin. That can't be called conversation. What other conversation you have in mind? I can't find them in my PM.

Can you please point me several conversations between?

I had no idea that conversation means only the PMs (which is one or two I guess). Would you ignore the public conversations? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4773983.0

[marlboroza]

that I gave up promoting those businesses?

Can you address this:

Not sure which country you are talking about coz I live in one country but my native country is another one.

How many times I had to explain that I never promoted any of these on this forum?

Does shilling count?
This is one very interesting thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2597577.0

Recently I moved to Bangladesh and seems like the system does not support registration from here...

Do you have anything in mind for Bangladeshi users?

By the way good luck with your project. I wish I was still in UK to be part of this. No hurt feelings anyway.

What was cashbackadverts? Site is offline. On this forum https://www.beermoneyforum.com/threads/cashbackadverts-com-reviews-scam-or-legit.10290/ site was moved to HYPE section. Why would any forum move legit site to HYPE reviews https://www.beermoneyforum.com/forums/hyips-reviews.31/ ?

Questionable because you never wanted to answer the questions I left on the investigation topic.

Can you address this:

1) Was traffic monsoon ponzi scheme?
2) Are Mypayingads and Mypayingcryptoads ponzi schemes?
3) All revshares sites which are gone and you actively promoted them, were they ponzi schemes?

[hulla]

100k isn't that much money.  I guess there are a lot of poor people on these forums.  I seems most  all the bitcoin millionaires have left this place for good.

Even being a millionaire isn't considered wealthy these days, that is reserved for billionaires.

$100K may not be much to you but I want you to understand that the issues on here is not about the forum been filled millionaires or poor people. Even since I'm on this forum doing escrow of any huge fund on this forum require two or three trusted parties signatures and trying to operate the escrow of huge fund alone will definitely raise a red flag which is what is happening now.

A good person can turn bad .

[hilariousetc]

I never really trust anyone who offers to hold onto other's money when they're not qualified to and more often than not it does go sour when they do and that's why this is such a big issue that makes me intrinsically distrust people when they do it.

For what it's worth, I understand your position on this and respect it--and I know why you left that neg for mdayonliner.

In real life, I generally tend to look for the best side of people, though I'm not stupid enough to take everything people say and do at face value.  And yes, I've been fooled many times before and expect I'll be fooled again.  I try to take a much more skeptical approach on bitcointalk, where it seems like the proportion of scammers here is orders of magnitude greater than it is IRL. 

I'd personally rather err on the side of caution than think most people are angels who won't scam you given the chance, but scammers will be disproportional on here compared to real life because this is a board about magical internet money that you can't get back once you send it so it's the perfect money for scammers and that's why they flock here. Once they've scammed you that's it in 99% of cases. Money gone and you'll never see it again. If you can build up a bit of trust and rep and go for the long con then it's much easier to run off with a big amount at some point. I still wouldn't trust someone who comes up to me on the street and asks to borrow money though or someone I've known for year or so offers to escrow a large cash deal for me. Adding the layer of anonymity with the internet just makes things easier to go sketchy without repercussions.

100k isn't that much money.  I guess there are a lot of poor people on these forums.  I seems most  all the bitcoin millionaires have left this place for good.

Even being a millionaire isn't considered wealthy these days, that is reserved for billionaires.

$100K may not be much to you but I want you to understand that the issues on here is not about the forum been filled millionaires or poor people. Even since I'm on this forum doing escrow of any huge fund on this forum require two or three trusted parties signatures and trying to operate the escrow of huge fund alone will definitely raise a red flag which is what is happening now.

A good person can turn bad .

Big Dicks is a troll; just ignore him. $100k is a lot of money to anyone unless you're a billionaire. $100k is a worth a lot more if you're not from the West too.