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October 11, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
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This has been mentioned so many times, but it is still prolific, and it includes Heroes and Legendaries who really should know better.

There is no need to quote an opening post in full if you are replying in a thread, and nesting the quotes is even worse. The net result is that a reader will probably skip over your post, and not bother with your reply. This is certainly the case with me. I've even seen senior members just post the quote without adding a comment.

SMF has the option to remove nested quotes. Do you think it would be beneficial if this was implemented here?

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October 11, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
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There are threads where a single quoted post takes up half a page. Maybe using this thread to show some creations of people who still don't understand what they're doing would change something? I can understand newbies and juniors doing it, but legendaries should know better. Why would anyone quote 4 or 5 previous posts? What is the reason? Deleting this could be too much additional work for staff but maybe campaign managers could treat these posts as unfit for payment. I'm sure it would be a wake up call for some higher ranks. This isn't the worst I've seen but not a bad example that includes a hero and a legendary.

Convincing people in a gambling place is not probably wrong, but a surely too it is not good. Because you're making a wrong move to a put your own self into a things that people have there own decisions to make than to convinced them.

Only way is let your friends know some worst experiences about people how they have lost everything if they continue gambling for winning the money and not playing and enjoying the best of the times from it. This might help them the seriousness of the cause and they may not be gambling that frequently if they understood it.
Letting know them about bad experiences is okay but they are adults and probably they can decide what is good what is not for themselves. I think, we should avoid talking about gambling with a person who has a potential about being a gambling addicted.
Therefore to avoid them becoming addicts we have to convince them that gambling is only for fun and joy not for profit
I am not sure they know what is bad and what is good, because many people are adults but still become addicts right?

Yes, I think the same as you because we see that once that person knows about gambling, there is a chance for him to become addicting in gambling and we don't have to convince them about the gambling especially to enjoy the gambling itself. Soon, they will know by themselves, and they will prove that playing gambling can attract them to become addicted. So convincing people to enjoy gambling is okay, but we need to tell him about the consequences and don't let them become addicting in gambling.

The word "enjoy" actually tells the main point of the discussion. Convincing others to enjoy gambling means we are telling them all about gambling, especially about the bad effect of gambling so they can enjoy gambling with no worries of the bad effect. As long as people are enjoying gambling, they should be ready to avoid the worst cases before they start. Without a doubt, the chance to get addicted is still big even if our main purpose is just for fun only. It is obviously depending on the individual, we may convince others to gamble for fun only but other people are free to choose.

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October 11, 2018, 05:38:40 PM
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Is there a way to auto-prune the number of nested quotes to maybe 2 or 3 deep?  I can't see many valid reasons why anyone would need to nest 4 or more.  I made a post on my phone earlier today, where it actually takes quite a bit of effort to manually select parts of the text and trim it down to just the relevant sections I actually wanted to talk about, but I still made that effort so as not to waste space.  

From my recent-ish posts, for example, I went 3-deep with this post, but I suppose that's excusable because they're just short lines.  It's something I try to be mindful of, though.

If someone does use excessive nesting of quotes, is that 'Report to moderator' territory?  Or would that be overkill?

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October 11, 2018, 05:42:24 PM
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Redundant full quotes are usually used by poor posters. You are never going to see the top merited posters using those quotes, unless they make sense. Om the contrary, if you go to the spam megathreads you will see lots of those quotes.

I think if one is interested in improving, one will learn. That's what I did, I was using full quotes at first and when I saw the good posters using short quotes I learned how to do them by myself.

I don't know if some measures will help people who are not interested, there was already a thread explaining how to quote properly on the forum some time ago, published here on meta and those who use redundant full quotes didn't pay attention to it.

Maybe measures that don't depend on users' will, as DooMAD suggests, will be more effective.
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October 11, 2018, 05:59:50 PM
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This issue is one of good internet etiquette in general, and I'm not sure if anything really can be done about it.  No surprise that these garbage spammers don't give any thought whatsoever to what they're posting, because they could care less if anyone reads their posts.

To me it's also kind of a minor problem, more an annoyance than anything serious.  If only this were the worst issue on the forum, I'd be tap dancing around my house.  The real problem IMO is the shitposting, not the quoting of unnecessary things.  It's really not that big a deal to scroll past some long quote, and usually the quotes aren't enormous ones.  Sometimes when some idiot quotes the OP of a signature campaign thread, I'll just put the person on ignore.

I've tried to make it a habit since I've been a member here to only quote the part of a post I'm actually responding to.  Often my post is in response to only a part of the quote, and by quoting only the relevant part it makes it crystal clear what I'm writing about.  That's what people should be doing IMO, but it takes a bit more time to do that and we know full well shitposters spend only the bare minimum amount of time/effort/thought when making posts.  It shouldn't be an unreasonable request for people to be careful when quoting, but on bitcointalk it's like trying to herd cats.

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October 11, 2018, 06:06:48 PM
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SMF has the option to remove nested quotes. Do you think it would be beneficial if this was implemented here?

If Smf have an easy solution, I don't see why isn't it already implemented.

Isn't it possible to make a script which blocks more than X characters between quotes?
Another problem is that many people quote big posts to spam... This would be a solu for that too.

I guess this will only be solved on the new forum software

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October 12, 2018, 12:49:07 AM
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I think if we disable nested quote, again Meta will flooded with complain as twit/Facebook hunters will be affected.

Actually, I like the ability to nest quotes, but it is much misused in this forum so it is better to remove it.
Limiting the number of characters in quote is also a good option.
I found some user just qoute without even writing a reply, It is better if these kinds of reply automatically deleted


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October 12, 2018, 02:43:04 AM
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When I run into this I do 2 things. I try to educate them, by directing them to a topic I created [Tips] Posting technique

Whether it ever gets read that's a different story, I then usually follow it up with a good old "Report to moderator" asking them to trim the nested quote. I got the idea from the mining section as I noticed some threads were cleaned up nicely by this.

To each there own, I don't blame people for ignoring these posters and their lack of awareness. I'm on here for long enough stretches browsing at times where there is no discussion I want to be a part of atm, so I take a minute or two. I wrote the topic because it drove me crazy watching people quote massive posts several times over.


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October 12, 2018, 02:52:50 AM
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This has been mentioned so many times, but it is still prolific, and it includes Heroes and Legendaries who really should know better.
When I run into this I do 2 things. I try to educate them, by directing them to a topic I created [Tips] Posting technique

I'm on here for long enough stretches browsing at times where there is no discussion I want to be a part of atm, so I take a minute or two.

There are so many pinned posts that educate newbies about this forum.  Some contains rules and regulations, merit system, ranking, and etc.  Yet I rarely see the topic about using quotation (and the proper usage of it).  I think we need a pinned post regarding this one to educate newbies like me.

SMF has the option to remove nested quotes. Do you think it would be beneficial if this was implemented here?
If you remove nested quotes, then you will ruin the discussion of the thread.  The best way is to educate new members of this forum.  Or you can set an option wherein you can limit the characters that you can quote? By this way you can set a limit and regulate users on their posts with quotation.



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October 12, 2018, 05:17:55 AM
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If someone does use excessive nesting of quotes, is that 'Report to moderator' territory?  Or would that be overkill?

I usually report such, especially in Bitcoin Discussion spam threads since it's hard to read those specially when I'm in mobile. Sadly though, there's not much that can be done on quoting such a huge nested conversation here in the forum or anywhere on the internet in general. Perhaps a 'hide quote' feature would be nice, or automatically prune redundant quotes in a conversation so as to lessen the clatter in a certain topic/thread. We'll never know how would it be implemented, when or whether it will ever get looked at by theymos, but it's a handy feature that should be around if we cannot stop spammers to quote full quotes.

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October 12, 2018, 07:02:29 AM
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Is there a way to auto-prune the number of nested quotes to maybe 2 or 3 deep?  I can't see many valid reasons why anyone would need to nest 4 or more.
In addition, why anyone would even need to quote the whole post while s/he should quote only the specific parts in which s/he is responding to?

It's really annoying. It makes hard to read posts and join a discussion.
What can be implemented-
1. Limitations in characters of a quoted message.
2. People can only quote 1 message, for avoiding nesting quotes.
3. A strict rule says clearly something against such kind of quotes.
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Now the best solution is report useless nested quotes and moderator will look if quoter deserve banned.
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October 12, 2018, 07:35:12 AM
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Now the best solution is report useless nested quotes and moderator will look if quoter deserve banned.
I think, reporting is not a best way to stop those people who making a full or a large quote. Because this forum have a hundred thousand users and its hard to find out whos making full annoying quotes. Let say, yes! Reporting method help to reduce that activity, but this is not a best solution.

For me, the best solution for this is to limit the words of quoting.

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October 12, 2018, 07:37:09 AM
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If you remove nested quotes, then you will ruin the discussion of the thread. 


Te real point is that it is a discussion thread, and not a discussion post. I don't understand why the poster has to assume that all readers have such a limited memory capability. I would assume that the majority of the serious members here are of above average intelligence, and are quite capable of following a conversation.

Of course, if the thread is so spam laden that the poster feels that he has to isolate the relevant posts, then we will need to address the spam pollution as a priority. This has already been highlighted in this thread, but until that happens, it would be great if members could not amplify the problem by quote abuse.

Reading a thread when looking for meritable posts is a bit like driving down a dual carriageway road. The vehicle in the slow lane ( normal text ) doesn't slow you down too much, and even the rubbish spam can be passed easily, much as you would pass a bicycle. Finding a block of quotes or a large image is similar to being blocked by a slow moving truck in the fast lane, you have to get it out of the way before you can move on. If a road always contains slow moving traffic, then you choose a different road in future ( ignore the board ).

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October 12, 2018, 07:59:29 AM
Last edit: October 12, 2018, 08:14:30 AM by jackg
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There is no need to quote an opening post in full if you are replying in a thread, and nesting the quotes is even worse. The net result is that a reader will probably skip over your post, and not bother with your reply. This is certainly the case with me. I've even seen senior members just post the quote without adding a comment.
Or adding things like "ref" where it isn't required, just on its own...
It gets extremely annoying in spam megathreads too as, chances are, someone has already replied with something very similar.

SMF has the option to remove nested quotes. Do you think it would be beneficial if this was implemented here?
That's not a great option though is it? With things like the FTT forum where that is enabled, you end up with comments on two separate quotes (like this one) and then nothing....
It's better just to not quote anything if we're going down that road...
OR maybe you could split it into two quotes but I don'tt think that comes with SMF and would require a bit of coding from theymos.

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October 12, 2018, 08:09:50 AM
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The behavior of stopping quotation marks is often considered trivial, even though this is not good, because in addition to not being good, the quality of yourself appears to be decreasing in front of other members.
Swearing can create a negative impression, especially from those who don't know you well and who often post well. Therefore I am sure this is less successful.

At least you can be a little better right? even though the meaning of posting often doing spam is still ugly, even though you stop the quotes because it is not commendable.

it all up to you to do or not?


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You are consistently within a few feet of the topic, but just not quite there. It always comes across as random facts and junk by the time I'm done reading it.
A forum where you discuss a problem, whether good or bad, clear (hair is black). different thoughts, whether you respond well or badly is up to your mind, obviously I always give what I know and best. That is your right.

there's also the fittotalk.com/talk-English forum you can use to to learn a bit more on English and improve your skills a little if you'd like...
Thank you, I have registered, maybe my writing is a bit wrong about English,
Maybe here (Meta) I am more proficient in English and how to write it?

Thanks for clearing that up  Roll Eyes

That's twice now I've seen someone mention you using a translator program to post. Just go post in your local and be content having your message make sense to you and the people reading it.
In the future I will improve my writing more professionally, thank you?

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*snip*

Honestly I've heard of reading between the lines, but after reading a few of your posts this evening I'm convinced. This is the first time I've seen someone "speak" between them.

You are consistently within a few feet of the topic, but just not quite there. It always comes across as random facts and junk by the time I'm done reading it.



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A forum where you discuss a problem, whether good or bad, clear (hair is black). different thoughts, whether you respond well or badly is up to your mind, obviously I always give what I know and best. That is your right.

Thanks for clearing that up  Roll Eyes

That's twice now I've seen someone mention you using a translator program to post. Just go post in your local and be content having your message make sense to you and the people reading it.

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@YOSHIE, I'm not sure where the swearing bit came from, but other than that....

I mean you could probably do with reading and fully understanding the op a little but (you can't use google translate to write but you can use it to read stuff here, there's also the fittotalk.com/talk-English forum you can use to to learn a bit more on English and improve your skills a little if you'd like...

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just ignore people who continually do it

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October 12, 2018, 11:11:53 AM
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The lack of education to all members here in the forum is the main reason why they fail to acknowledge the rules and regulation of the forum. The suggested welcoming protocol for the newbie and old members would be a tool for the new comers to acknowledge forum rules and regulations.

I saw a thread suggested form a certain user to implement a welcoming page for all the members before logging in to the forum. The welcoming page must promote professionalism when posting a topic or promoting discussions to all the members. Reading must be specified in the welcome page and should be a highlight to everyone to learn more about the forum's do's and dont's. Well this is already

Well hope that some of the members will going to change their ways on the forum after reading the OP's post and the post of all the members concerning an issue like this to promote the welfare of all members in participating forum discussions.

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