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October 12, 2018, 08:52:32 PM
Last edit: October 13, 2018, 03:24:13 PM by ni23457
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This topic has been prepared within a several days and could have been posted yesterday, so the fact that the scammers got scared and returned the money today(after 3 months of illegal holding) does not change anything at all. (If they really returned it. I can't check this at now) [They returned it on 2018-10-13]



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I have always argued that Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda are from the same city(St. Petersburg) and from the same group of people and these services protect each other.
Russian Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda, Ink.one, Evercode Lab (for unregistered users)

ChangeNOW is selective scammers which have as minimum 2 cases



And they cannot be anyone but scammers simply because of this:

Earlier, you explained the impossibility of returning the money without documents to me because you are afraid that my money was stolen and you are afraid that you may have problems with Europol.

But as soon as it became known, you immediately disappeared from the forum:
At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly[actually parent of ChangeNOW, as it became known later] and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

What is the reason to refuse me in refund? After all, you can no longer lie about the fear of Europol. Then why do you keep my money for 3 months?
From this it follows that they do not care about the purity of coins. They are only looking for an excuse for appropriating someone's coins and they are engaged in the hunt for big deposits with the help of KYC story.





Atomic Wallet and Guarda' owners == SCAM ChangeNOW' owners


This is Estonian offshore company of Atomic Wallet
ATOMIC PROTOCOL SYSTEMS OÜ
http://creditreports.ee/atomic-protocol-systems-ou [BACKUP]

This is Estonian offshore company of Guarda Wallet
GUARDARIAN OÜ
https://creditreports.ee/guardarian-ou [BACKUP]

As you see 2 offshore companies have the same address:
Tornimäe tn 5, 10117, Tallinn, Harju maakond



And now let's look at the information about St. Petersburg company Evercode Lab (INN 7804502846)

http://www.list-org.com/company/7407327/show/founders_history#founders [BACKUP]

And we see that new founders of Evercode Lab are the same people as Atomic and Guarda companies' founders.

But as you see until 2018-08-15 the founders of Evercode Lab were the CEO and Lead Developer of ChangeNOW

https://i.postimg.cc/mrYb3Rg2/changenow-whitepaper.png [BACKUP (almost the same version)]



I'm not sure, but I associate this castling with my activity in Internet. It is worth noting that at the beginning of August they escaped from their St. Petersburg office but an invalid address are indicated on their website for 2 months already (Лигoвcкий пp., 50, кopпyc 13, oфиc 28) and they refuse to tell the current address when calling the phone.

You can see that on the main page there are news about Guarda, BTG explorer and other crypto related articles. [BACKUP]


I'm sure that Evercode Lab is developer of ChangeNOW. I am sure that this exchanger is created and managed in the Evercode Lab office. Another option is simply impossible if both founders of Evercode Lab(before 2018-08-15) are at the same time a CEO and Lead Developer of ChangeNOW.


Thus, I come to the conclusion that the new founders of Evercode Lab(since 2018-08-15) are also owners of ChangeNOW. And these owners, as you understand, are the founders of Atomic Wallet and Guarda Wallet. Or more simply, all these services belong to the same group of people.




The Problem


It seems that these services(ChangeNOW, Changelly, Atomic Wallet, Guarda) have no supporters left here. And they just decided to ignore the problem questions on this forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.540 ChangeNOW (last related post on September 19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435275.360 Changelly (last related post on October 3)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437510.100 Atomic Wallet (last related post on October 2)


I also want to note that the last response to my emails from ChangeNOW was on July 19. You read it right. They took my money and gave me in return almost 3 months of absolute ignore.

I also sent dozens of letters to these addresses in the last month:
hello@atomicwallet.io
hello@guarda.co
hello@evercodelab.com
ceo@guarda.co
ilya5800@gmail.com

I have not received a single response.

The only ones who answered sometimes was support@changelly.com. But all their standard answers were actually: "get out of here loser" (it was just written in other words)



As I understand, these people are trying to wait out this hype and hope that in about six months all this will be forgotten.  And then they will continue to selectively get extra money.

I think that these people feel very comfortable with my money and I can do nothing. Atomic Wallet(co-founder of this company are also co-founder of Evercode Lab, the developer of ChangeNOW) calmly conducts his bounty campaign here. They simply ignore my simplest question about the reason for refusal in refund.
And they are sure that everything will be gradually forgotten, and everything will be fine. This is cynicism, It's just disgusting.








An amendment to the fact that they returned the money after 3 months (If they really returned it. I can't check this at now) [They returned it on 2018-10-13]

In recent weeks, nothing new has been happened for ChangeNOW. Everything was absolutely the same as in recent months. My assistants distributed links to my topics and informed people about the situation.

The only thing that was added was that in recent weeks, Changelly, Atomic Wallet and Guarda began to be together with the ChangeNOW in most of messages. Also, many of you have seen the red banner dedicated to Changelly.

I am sure that this St. Petersburg group analyzed the situation and was frightened that if the shadow falls on all their services, they will lose much more than 100 BCH. And only because of this fear, they decided to return the money to me. I am sure of it so much that I can bet 100 BCH.
So do not be idiots and do not think that they have corrected and decided to be honest. They are just pathetic cowards who were afraid of losing more than they stole from me.


My conclusion: All of these services are scammers and I believe that such people have no place in the crypto world, they disgrace it and lower the trust of cryptocurrency. Do not work with them or support them.

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October 12, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
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I sent them an email 2 hours after this message:


Dear ni23457 (I'm talking to you here, because you are the most concerned of our clients), please turn to our customer support and confirm your dismissal of the KYC procedure. Your 100 BCH will be refunded to you right away, excluding the network fee.


I even promised these pieces of shit that I would not initiate problems for them in Russia. And what do you think? They did not return anything.

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I sent them an email 2 hours after this message:


Dear ni23457 (I'm talking to you here, because you are the most concerned of our clients), please turn to our customer support and confirm your dismissal of the KYC procedure. Your 100 BCH will be refunded to you right away, excluding the network fee.


I even promised these pieces of shit that I would not initiate problems for them in Russia. And what do you think? They did not return anything.

Good day to you!

We have received your last letter, and our support sent you a reply to your original ticket.
Please confirm that you are refusing to pass the KYC procedure and you will be refunded within 24 hours.
We have carefully saved all the information about your situation and will submit it to the legal authorities should they request for it.

To all our other users: don't worry. If you aren't trying to cheat and/or scam, you have nothing to be afraid of!
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October 13, 2018, 10:01:20 AM
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I am closely watching your threads, and this, I confess, did not surprise me at all. As before, you accuse someone of fraud for the reason that you decided to joke by sending a photo of your ass instead of ID. Very funny! What other evidence of fraud? Nothing! Some guys, perhaps russians, are doing business, developing companies in which they may take part jointly. It is a crime?

The only ones who answered sometimes was support@changelly.com. But all their standard answers were actually: "get out of here loser" (it was just written in other words)

It does not make sense until you provide a screenshot.

My assistants distributed links to my topics and informed people about the situation.

I will say what they did:

https://medium.com/@arennathan9/changenow-scam-or-review-how-ni23457-blackmails-the-exchange-978c483ef81a

Here are all the facts about the activities of your spam team!

I am sure that this St. Petersburg group analyzed the situation and was frightened that if the shadow falls on all their services, they will lose much more than 100 BCH. And only because of this fear, they decided to return the money to me. I am sure of it so much that I can bet 100 BCH.

You overestimate your abilities. What will you do next?
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October 20, 2018, 06:27:58 AM
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I am glad you got your coins back but what changenow did was pure evil and a malpractice. I dont think there is much more to say. Companies can change policies at any given time but thats affecting a lot of people and is really shady.

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October 21, 2018, 11:20:42 AM
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Guys and girls. I did tried to support OP in previous post and i did that because i felt services in questions really tried to use KYC to scam him from coins.

Please consider this and previous post as reminder those services are built to make money. Regardless if they working under jurisdiction of some eu country which forcing them kyc or not, eventually they will comes up with an idea to scam using those rules.

Op showed preety good example of that behaviour.
I am glad you got your couins back.
To others....Make sure you not using those services in questions.
They will eventually try and scam you same way they tried with op.

Good luck OP and if anything is needed just drop a message. We all in this together.

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Good day to you!

We have received your last letter, and our support sent you a reply to your original ticket.
Please confirm that you are refusing to pass the KYC procedure and you will be refunded within 24 hours.
We have carefully saved all the information about your situation and will submit it to the legal authorities should they request for it.

To all our other users: don't worry. If you aren't trying to cheat and/or scam, you have nothing to be afraid of!

The only one who should be affraid now is your employer for holding 3 months coins which dropped in value. For making bogus accusation of blackmail. You and your service should be ashamed big time.
But most likely damage has been done already. How many customers founds this thread and left? How many people avoided you and others services related to you? We wont know.
What i know is the fact , that if somoene asking me about where to exchange coins i always telling them to avoid you.

Second part, the bold one....: one and only scammer in this situation are you and your so called company.
Makes me laugh that you not only tried to scam OP but continuing insulting and insinuating that he tried to scam you.

Shame change now. shame
I did tagged you also just for the reason you working for them which makes you not trustworthy neither.





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maybe this is really a hoax, I also took part in the bounty campaign program a few weeks ago and the tokens that I got were worthless, I was very disappointed. Thank you for telling me that
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October 21, 2018, 03:42:27 PM
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I am glad you got your coins back  Companies can change policies at any given time but thats affecting a lot of people and is really shady.

Glad there was some feedback effect, this is a community after all and theres hope for anyone who is left unrepresented vs businesses which are far larger.   Crypto still has part of that dynamic unfortunately, its an ongoing risk people have to account for.   Anything which makes the public apprehensive is going to restrict growth possibilities, ultimately it can make everyone look bad

About companies that can change policies at any time, it should be the case that the industry does have standards to its trade.   This is necessary to raise trust and openness and do us all good in making crypto less of a back room operation that may disappear without response (this definitely happened to me more then once even while I avoid and reduce being exposed to singular risks) and into a more well rounded reasoned and structured amount of trade.
Of course I do believe crypto should also be distributed and independent but we have to deal with centralised elements it seems and its in the industries own favour to be seen to be balanced in responding to complaints and objections especially for sudden changes in T&C.

  This doesn't always have to be the wild west with how people are treated but I'm glad this showdown ended well

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October 22, 2018, 12:40:17 PM
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Information that was very useful to me, some of the projets that I worked on were in vain and this was very draining my time and energy, I was very disappointed and tired, therefore with your investigation I felt it added to my belief that all this was fraud, thanks for your information.
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October 24, 2018, 10:41:31 AM
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I saw this banner and decided to leave a message here. To begin, the “SCAM ChangeNOW” is not true - the coins returned to OP after the completion of legal procedures. But this guy, who sent a fake photo several times, paid for distributing shit, bought votes, still claims that this company is a scam.

I think he needs to go to a psychiatrist, because this story influenced his mind. He sees fraudsters everywhere.

My conclusion: All of these services are scammers and I believe that such people have no place in the crypto world, they disgrace it and lower the trust of cryptocurrency. Do not work with them or support them.

The only thing that users have to learn is the fact that sending a photo of your ass to avoid KYC can be a big problem!
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I saw this banner and decided to leave a message here. To begin, the “SCAM ChangeNOW” is not true - the coins returned to OP after the completion of legal procedures. But this guy, who sent a fake photo several times, paid for distributing shit, bought votes, still claims that this company is a scam.

I think he needs to go to a psychiatrist, because this story influenced his mind. He sees fraudsters everywhere.

My conclusion: All of these services are scammers and I believe that such people have no place in the crypto world, they disgrace it and lower the trust of cryptocurrency. Do not work with them or support them.

The only thing that users have to learn is the fact that sending a photo of your ass to avoid KYC can be a big problem!

If op didn't pay for advertising his 100bch would be taken. Just because he did what he did, doesnt give right to anybody to hold his funds.
After 3 months they comes up with idea to refund?

You need some therapy or stop being sockpuppet for those scammers services. I wonder what would you do if found yourself in this situation.
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October 26, 2018, 01:26:20 PM
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Who really pays for those attack ads?

First Changelly, then this. Are there any other 'instant' exchanges left to attack?

There might be a coordinated plot against competition here. Shapeshift was the leader in this space for a long time, but has maintained unfavorable margins that competitors are beating, thus offering a better service. Perhaps its investors are scared about losing their market share now that so much money has been poured in. They recently closed their smart contract project 'prism' too, after so muc development going into it.

Roger Ver and Erik Voorhees are key investors in Shapeshift.

Vorhees is known for duping investors with a project that didn't even get started after doing an IPO in bitcoin early days.

I'm absolutely to blame for the failure of FZB, and for the poor communication after it fell apart.

Now, "BTC should payback bitcoin," you say. First, investors don't get "paid back" when a business fails.


This scheme, may or may not have contributed to formulating Voorhees' bitcoin fortune and making him a 'key investor' in the space.

Ver on the other hand, built on Voorhees' concept from that failed IPO and build his own paid trolling network, paying people to promote his ideas. He used it extensively to pure vitriol on the bitcoin community and spread propaganda for his BCash altcoin.
https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/872377516564111362

Those two are not new to using subversive tactics to promote their personal agenda. I wouldn't be surprised if they had devised a plan to hurt the reputation of their competitors by manipulating public opinion.



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October 26, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
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So recently I was interested in buying an altcoin my friend recommended (TEL) and when I went to coinmarketcap they recommended the Atomic Wallet for storage

I went to download via Google Play store on mobile and luckily checked the reviews before downloading because the real Atomic wallet app is only available on iOS at the moment and the android version was set up by some dodgy dudes  (to scam coins off users?)

Are you talking about the fake (android) Atomic wallet, or the 'real' one on iOS?


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Hey guys, we saw the mention of Atomic Wallet. However the topic starter issue was not directly related to our company. He used pretty other service ChangeNOW. As far as we understand from the discussion, user violated their KYC/AML policy by sending fake documents. Exchange service completed the legal investigation and returned funds to the initial address. As we see in the thread.

As for mobile version, we did not yet released the app. Only desktop available for now. Please, be aware of any other apps in the store pretending to be us. The only apps are published for downloading on our official website. You are very welcome!
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For an unrelated company you seem very aware of the facts and seem to adopt the point of view of Changenow.

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Hey guys, we saw the mention of Atomic Wallet. However the topic starter issue was not directly related to our company. He used pretty other service ChangeNOW. As far as we understand from the discussion, user violated their KYC/AML policy by sending fake documents. Exchange service completed the legal investigation and returned funds to the initial address. As we see in the thread.

As for mobile version, we did not yet released the app. Only desktop available for now. Please, be aware of any other apps in the store pretending to be us. The only apps are published for downloading on our official website. You are very welcome!
https://atomicwallet.io


I think changenow is finish !
you scammed the wrong guy, he totally destroyed  your reputation, you are finish
Best for you to start a new business
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I always like to read up your investigations !
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October 29, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
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This topic has been prepared within a several days and could have been posted yesterday, so the fact that the scammers got scared and returned the money today(after 3 months of illegal holding) does not change anything at all. (If they really returned it. I can't check this at now) [They returned it on 2018-10-13]



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Russian Changelly, Atomic Wallet, ChangeNOW, Guarda, Ink.one, Evercode Lab (for unregistered users)

ChangeNOW is selective scammers which have as minimum 2 cases



And they cannot be anyone but scammers simply because of this:

Earlier, you explained the impossibility of returning the money without documents to me because you are afraid that my money was stolen and you are afraid that you may have problems with Europol.

But as soon as it became known, you immediately disappeared from the forum:
At the same time, I was a customer of Changelly[actually parent of ChangeNOW, as it became known later] and have whitelisted account there and exchanged hundreds of bitcoins in recent months without any kind of KYC. (it's funny but they gave me whitelisted account after ChangeNOW's scam!) The fact is that I have 5-year-old crystal clear coins, so it never aroused suspicion from anyone.

What is the reason to refuse me in refund? After all, you can no longer lie about the fear of Europol. Then why do you keep my money for 3 months?
From this it follows that they do not care about the purity of coins. They are only looking for an excuse for appropriating someone's coins and they are engaged in the hunt for big deposits with the help of KYC story.





Atomic Wallet and Guarda' owners == SCAM ChangeNOW' owners


This is Estonian offshore company of Atomic Wallet
ATOMIC PROTOCOL SYSTEMS OÜ
http://creditreports.ee/atomic-protocol-systems-ou [BACKUP]

This is Estonian offshore company of Guarda Wallet
GUARDARIAN OÜ
https://creditreports.ee/guardarian-ou [BACKUP]

As you see 2 offshore companies have the same address:
Tornimäe tn 5, 10117, Tallinn, Harju maakond



And now let's look at the information about St. Petersburg company Evercode Lab (INN 7804502846)

http://www.list-org.com/company/7407327/show/founders_history#founders [BACKUP]

And we see that new founders of Evercode Lab are the same people as Atomic and Guarda companies' founders.

But as you see until 2018-08-15 the founders of Evercode Lab were the CEO and Lead Developer of ChangeNOW

https://i.postimg.cc/mrYb3Rg2/changenow-whitepaper.png [BACKUP (almost the same version)]



I'm not sure, but I associate this castling with my activity in Internet. It is worth noting that at the beginning of August they escaped from their St. Petersburg office but an invalid address are indicated on their website for 2 months already (Лигoвcкий пp., 50, кopпyc 13, oфиc 28) and they refuse to tell the current address when calling the phone.

You can see that on the main page there are news about Guarda, BTG explorer and other crypto related articles. [BACKUP]


I'm sure that Evercode Lab is developer of ChangeNOW. I am sure that this exchanger is created and managed in the Evercode Lab office. Another option is simply impossible if both founders of Evercode Lab(before 2018-08-15) are at the same time a CEO and Lead Developer of ChangeNOW.


Thus, I come to the conclusion that the new founders of Evercode Lab(since 2018-08-15) are also owners of ChangeNOW. And these owners, as you understand, are the founders of Atomic Wallet and Guarda Wallet. Or more simply, all these services belong to the same group of people.




The Problem


It seems that these services(ChangeNOW, Changelly, Atomic Wallet, Guarda) have no supporters left here. And they just decided to ignore the problem questions on this forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.540 ChangeNOW (last related post on September 19)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435275.360 Changelly (last related post on October 3)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4437510.100 Atomic Wallet (last related post on October 2)


I also want to note that the last response to my emails from ChangeNOW was on July 19. You read it right. They took my money and gave me in return almost 3 months of absolute ignore.

I also sent dozens of letters to these addresses in the last month:
hello@atomicwallet.io
hello@guarda.co
hello@evercodelab.com
ceo@guarda.co
ilya5800@gmail.com

I have not received a single response.

The only ones who answered sometimes was support@changelly.com. But all their standard answers were actually: "get out of here loser" (it was just written in other words)



As I understand, these people are trying to wait out this hype and hope that in about six months all this will be forgotten.  And then they will continue to selectively get extra money.

I think that these people feel very comfortable with my money and I can do nothing. Atomic Wallet(co-founder of this company are also co-founder of Evercode Lab, the developer of ChangeNOW) calmly conducts his bounty campaign here. They simply ignore my simplest question about the reason for refusal in refund.
And they are sure that everything will be gradually forgotten, and everything will be fine. This is cynicism, It's just disgusting.








An amendment to the fact that they returned the money after 3 months (If they really returned it. I can't check this at now) [They returned it on 2018-10-13]

In recent weeks, nothing new has been happened for ChangeNOW. Everything was absolutely the same as in recent months. My assistants distributed links to my topics and informed people about the situation.

The only thing that was added was that in recent weeks, Changelly, Atomic Wallet and Guarda began to be together with the ChangeNOW in most of messages. Also, many of you have seen the red banner dedicated to Changelly.

I am sure that this St. Petersburg group analyzed the situation and was frightened that if the shadow falls on all their services, they will lose much more than 100 BCH. And only because of this fear, they decided to return the money to me. I am sure of it so much that I can bet 100 BCH.
So do not be idiots and do not think that they have corrected and decided to be honest. They are just pathetic cowards who were afraid of losing more than they stole from me.


My conclusion: All of these services are scammers and I believe that such people have no place in the crypto world, they disgrace it and lower the trust of cryptocurrency. Do not work with them or support them.
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