Sexual abuse in catholic church - enough already!

[dogtana]

Every week there is news about even more sexual abuse of children in catholic church and cover ups by many bishops.

It seems it is spread beyond comprehension, yet none of the abusers have been excommunicated and very few ended up in jail. They just get trasferred to another post somewhere!

I am so sick of hearing this and I expect someone to REALLY do something about this! Pope's apologies and condemnations are not enough!

These volnurable kids trusted in these people and so did their parents. Instead of being cared for and protected they ended up having their lives ruined.

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[Marshall14]

It's a situation more like "the priests can do no wrong", it's actually sickening the way and manner the church and surprisingly it's members leap to the support of the faltering priest...

You claim there's no proof,Why transfer the priest to a different parish if he isn't guilty, and of what gain will it be to a young girl accusing a priest of sexual abuse, knowing the accompanied damnation and unnecessary furore it'll cause..

More actions have to be taken on this issues,and our eyes have to be lifted far higher than simply religion, no one is above the law,the law should always take its full course in issues such as this

But sadly I doubt actions will be taken for the past and future menacing deeds

[af_newbie]

It's a situation more like "the priests can do no wrong", it's actually sickening the way and manner the church and surprisingly it's members leap to the support of the faltering priest...

You claim there's no proof,Why transfer the priest to a different parish if he isn't guilty, and of what gain will it be to a young girl accusing a priest of sexual abuse, knowing the accompanied damnation and unnecessary furore it'll cause..

More actions have to be taken on this issues,and our eyes have to be lifted far higher than simply religion, no one is above the law,the law should always take its full course in issues such as this

But sadly I doubt actions will be taken for the past and future menacing deeds

No children should be allowed within 1000 ft of any church.

I blame parents who take kids to these houses of pedophiles.

People don't want pedophiles in their neighborhoods but take kids to see them  

This is nuts.  All churches should be closed and the staff should be investigated to see if any sex crimes have been committed.

[jossiel]

The thing is they have been trusted by those parents that isn't aware of what's inside of those pedo's. I'm also tired of reading and hearing this news, I guess its already a problem that will never have any solution.

The government isn't even touching the catholic church, politics, media and other society that they have been holding is what makes them so powerful. I've never heard that there's a case that won against them but if ever there is, that is rare and surprising.  

If there's a news about any of their case, expect that there will be a news blackout and the case will be forgotten forever.

[TECSHARE]

Unfortunately it is not just the church. Any organization of any influence you can think of has at one point or another been manipulated, influenced, or controlled using a system of placing perverts in power, feeding them kids, and documenting their crimes. This is the modus operandi of the most dangerous international mobs on earth. Loyalists in governments and law enforcement all over the world are now in the process of routing these organizations out. This is the primary cause of the instability in the world we see now as they try to burn everything down on their way out. In their minds, if they can't have power/control, no one should.

[jonemil24]

Rape, it's the most hideous sin of men. Having a rape issue within the catholic church is an old issue. Their pope should dictate a new rule, adding castration to all ordained catholic priests.

Castration is the only solution for them if they wanted to save themselves from the dangers of hell they created.

[cryptothief]

All churches should be closed and the staff should be investigated to see if any sex crimes have been committed.

At least pretend to be realistic. There's no denying that the church has been complicit in at least some of the crimes committed by it's 'employees', but as in any other situation, tarring everyone with the same brush never turns out well for anyone. It's the same as saying 'All Muslims are the same', 'All Americans are the same', etc. etc. It creates a siege mentality and doesn't solve anything in the long run. Hopefully we will see more convictions of those who have been involved either directly or indirectly through covering up, and going forward, more checks and balances in place to prevent (or at least reduce the risk of) it happening in the future.

[af_newbie]

All churches should be closed and the staff should be investigated to see if any sex crimes have been committed.

At least pretend to be realistic. There's no denying that the church has been complicit in at least some of the crimes committed by it's 'employees', but as in any other situation, tarring everyone with the same brush never turns out well for anyone. It's the same as saying 'All Muslims are the same', 'All Americans are the same', etc. etc. It creates a siege mentality and doesn't solve anything in the long run. Hopefully we will see more convictions of those who have been involved either directly or indirectly through covering up, and going forward, more checks and balances in place to prevent (or at least reduce the risk of) it happening in the future.

Check the statistics, almost all cases of child molestation are unreported.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1863650,00.html

I suspect that this problem is bigger than people realize.  Think about it, grown men do not have sex with women/men for most of their lives, what you think happens to them?  Their sexual confidence is shattered, they wack off to whatever they can, eventually become sexually deviant and want to fuck anything that moves.  The fact that they do not have normal sexual lives with other adult men or women is really affecting them psychologically.

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

[TECSHARE]

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

You have gone off the deep end.

[af_newbie]

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

You have gone off the deep end.

The whole organization is suspect because they were complicit in the crimes.  It is like doing raids on gang members in different crack houses.

Why not?  Just because it is an organization that scams people and promises them afterlife?

The management of this business is responsible.  All operations should be investigated.

[tvbcof]

Just thought I'd chime in since I've been researching various theories about religious history lately.  Here's a theory which I neither believe or dis-believe, but do find interesting.

The Catholic church was constituted around the time that Constantine took the Roman empire Christian.  'Catholic' means basically 'unified' in Latin.

At that point the 'scribes' and 'pharisees' saw their opportunity to sneak back in through the back door.  These people had been the engine of Judaism and the ones who Jesus had a beef with.  He didn't dig their deceit, their ethnic supremacy, their baby rape, etc.  So, the thesis is that the Catholic Church started out being 'of the Devil' and at it's core it never really deviated.  As a casual observer I must say that the hypothesis does seem to have explanatory power.

On top of that, many modern Christian sects stem from the Catholic church, and many of them seem to display some of the more nasty aspects of mothership even while they reject (outwardly) certain of the doctrine.  Just recently a lot of new and particularly nasty forms of Christianity seem to be sprouting up at an alarming rate...watered by vast sums of debt-based money.  The so-called 'New Age' so-called 'Christian' churches/cults are a good example though many more established orders seem to be 'judizing' quickly as well.

Here's the apparently widely hated on super-troll Pastor Steven Anderson's break-down of the modern Christian family tree.  Fun for everyone since he happens to be quite listenable (albeit possibly quite inaccurate and lacking of rigor.):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyCXpD_A3xs

[squatz1]

Unfortunately it is not just the church. Any organization of any influence you can think of has at one point or another been manipulated, influenced, or controlled using a system of placing perverts in power, feeding them kids, and documenting their crimes. This is the modus operandi of the most dangerous international mobs on earth. Loyalists in governments and law enforcement all over the world are now in the process of routing these organizations out. This is the primary cause of the instability in the world we see now as they try to burn everything down on their way out. In their minds, if they can't have power/control, no one should.

Yet again, TecShare and I agree about something on this forum.

But yes, I don't think that it's fair to just blame the Catholic Church for these sorts of issues. I think these are present in MANY other organizations, and the reason that the Catholic Church is taking a good deal of heat about it due to their size -- as I wouldn't doubt this happens in other organizations.

[TECSHARE]

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

You have gone off the deep end.

The whole organization is suspect because they were complicit in the crimes.  It is like doing raids on gang members in different crack houses.

Why not?  Just because it is an organization that scams people and promises them afterlife?

The management of this business is responsible.  All operations should be investigated.

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

[Bigboss0912]

Every week there is news about even more sexual abuse of children in catholic church and cover ups by many bishops.

It seems it is spread beyond comprehension, yet none of the abusers have been excommunicated and very few ended up in jail. They just get trasferred to another post somewhere!

I am so sick of hearing this and I expect someone to REALLY do something about this! Pope's apologies and condemnations are not enough!

These volnurable kids trusted in these people and so did their parents. Instead of being cared for and protected they ended up having their lives ruined.

every person has his weaknesses.we are no right to judge anyone else. Even though he has served the Lord, he is able to keep them from sin because of the weakness of the person. That is why we make way,so that we can not cause the fall a man in sin.

[BADecker]

Every week there is news about even more sexual abuse of children in catholic church and cover ups by many bishops.

It seems it is spread beyond comprehension, yet none of the abusers have been excommunicated and very few ended up in jail. They just get trasferred to another post somewhere!

I am so sick of hearing this and I expect someone to REALLY do something about this! Pope's apologies and condemnations are not enough!

These volnurable kids trusted in these people and so did their parents. Instead of being cared for and protected they ended up having their lives ruined.

There isn't supposed to be any sexual abuse at all, anywhere, ever.

The Church is a place that preaches against, and attempts to reduce all kinds of, bad and evil, sexual abuse included.

The sexual abuse in the Church should stop. But the news about it should increase - as long as it is happening - so that we start to use our heads and think. What should we be thinking about? Here's what.

If the place - the Church - that is trying to get rid of sexual abuse, has enough sexual abuse in it that the abuse has become newsworthy, what about all the places that are not trying to stamp out evil, as is the church?

Consider the sexual abuse that must be going on in government, big corporations, the police and other law enforcement, the military, AND ESPECIALLY THE MEDIA which doesn't report their own sexual abuse, and the abuse their own people do, just so they can look pure enough to report on the Church... the Church, which is trying to do away with all evil including sexual abuse... while many of those other organizations don't even have getting rid of evil as their goal.

If somebody were to do a comprehensive investigation into sexual abuse done by the media, I wonder what he would find.

[af_newbie]

I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.

You have gone off the deep end.

The whole organization is suspect because they were complicit in the crimes.  It is like doing raids on gang members in different crack houses.

Why not?  Just because it is an organization that scams people and promises them afterlife?

The management of this business is responsible.  All operations should be investigated.

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

Problem is in the HR department, that is where the gap is.

Who is the CEO?  Pope.
Who is on the board of directors?  Roman Curia and Pope.
Who hires Archbishops/Bishops?  Board of directors
Who hires/assigns priests to any church? Bishop

The issue is with their vetting procedure.  So if the top is like you said "jam-packed full of pedos", you can only imagine their hiring/vetting procedures.

It is a systemic problem, and for some reason, they cannot fix it?  My guess is they don't want to fix it because the guys at the top are protecting their own.

If you hire a pedophile to work with kids in the kindergarten you can expect there will be abuse.  The same goes for any other organization.

Background checks (brain scans?) need to be done for all clergy because these people work with young kids.  And we know this organization has a systemic problem.

[CoinCube]

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

Problem is in the HR department, that is where the gap is.

Who is the CEO?  Pope.
Who is on the board of directors?  Roman Curia and Pope.
Who hires Archbishops/Bishops?  Board of directors
Who hires/assigns priests to any church? Bishop

The issue is with their vetting procedure.  So if the top is like you said "jam-packed full of pedos", you can only imagine their hiring/vetting procedures.

It is a systemic problem, and for some reason, they cannot fix it?  My guess is they don't want to fix it because the guys at the top are protecting their own.

If you hire a pedophile to work with kids in the kindergarten you can expect there will be abuse.  The same goes for any other organization.

Background checks (brain scans?) need to be done for all clergy because these people work with young kids.  And we know this organization has a systemic problem.

I agree with both of the underlined statements above. The entire situation is very sad. Pedophilia, however, is not the best word to describe the problem. The worst of the sickness here is homosexual ephebophilia

"The recent John Jay College of Criminal Justice studies (2004, 2001 and 2016)  “The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010,” found that only 4% of the 6,000 identified abusive priests were pedophiles. 80% of the victims in the Church have been males, and involved post-pubescent teen age boys.

The 2011 report also shows 81% abuse to be homosexual in nature."

Telling the truth and spring-cleaning the Church
30 Aug 2018
http://www.anglican.ink/article/gay-predators-telling-truth-and-spring-cleaning-church


Talking about the real problem would require one to discuss:

#1 The large number of Catholic clergy who are gay in the USA; and not only gay, but sexually active.

#2 The prevalence in that community of individuals who are interested in homosexual ephebophilia North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) types as well as those tempted to such things.    

#3 The logic result of establishing a clerical celibacy policy that forbids marriage or heterosexual activity but tolerates homosexual activity.

These are not politically correct to discuss to certain segments of society so we don't hear much about it.

[af_newbie]

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

Problem is in the HR department, that is where the gap is.

Who is the CEO?  Pope.
Who is on the board of directors?  Roman Curia and Pope.
Who hires Archbishops/Bishops?  Board of directors
Who hires/assigns priests to any church? Bishop

The issue is with their vetting procedure.  So if the top is like you said "jam-packed full of pedos", you can only imagine their hiring/vetting procedures.

It is a systemic problem, and for some reason, they cannot fix it?  My guess is they don't want to fix it because the guys at the top are protecting their own.

If you hire a pedophile to work with kids in the kindergarten you can expect there will be abuse.  The same goes for any other organization.

Background checks (brain scans?) need to be done for all clergy because these people work with young kids.  And we know this organization has a systemic problem.

I agree with both of the underlined statements above. The entire situation is very sad. Pedophilia, however, is not the best word to describe the problem. The worst of the sickness here is homosexual ephebophilia

"The recent John Jay College of Criminal Justice studies (2004, 2001 and 2016)  “The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010,” found that only 4% of the 6,000 identified abusive priests were pedophiles. 80% of the victims in the Church have been males, and involved post-pubescent teen age boys.

The 2011 report also shows 81% abuse to be homosexual in nature."

Telling the truth and spring-cleaning the Church
30 Aug 2018
http://www.anglican.ink/article/gay-predators-telling-truth-and-spring-cleaning-church


Talking about the real problem would require one to discuss:

#1 The large number of Catholic clergy who are gay in the USA; and not only gay, but sexually active.

#2 The prevalence in that community of individuals who are interested in homosexual ephebophilia North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) types as well as those tempted to such things.    

#3 The logic result of establishing a clerical celibacy policy that forbids marriage or heterosexual activity but tolerates homosexual activity.

These are not politically correct to discuss to certain segments of society so we don't hear much about it.

Pedophile brain scans would cover both straight and gay clergy.

If I were Pope I would allocate few million to root out pedophiles from my organization. Administer routine brain scans, just like some companies do random drug testing.

They are sitting on 200+ billions, spend some money to correct the issue!

[tvbcof]

Pedophile brain scans would cover both straight and gay clergy.

If I were Pope I would allocate few million to root out pedophiles from my organization. Administer routine brain scans, just like some companies do random drug testing.

They are sitting on 200+ billions, spend some money to correct the issue!

Careful what you wish for.  It looks to me as though in certain organizations, including many governments, pedophilia is "not a bug, it's a feature."

Certain of these religious organizations have centuries of practice of finding, cultivating, and promoting pedos and other degenerate psychopaths and don't really need 'brain scans' to be successful.  Unfortunately they can use their well honed expertise to keep our governments stocked with their kind, and they have a great deal of interest in doing so.

[SnowAugustine]

Sexual abuse happens a lot and not just in the Catholic Church. But what really disgusts me is how they treat said abuses. A lot of priests who are accused of sexual abuse are just sent to a different location. Some do not face their crimes. The RCC seem to kind of dismiss them in their own way. There really is no significant solution being done but just monetary compensation to the people who were abused. It's like, here's money, shut up.