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October 14, 2018, 06:18:27 PM
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A brand new study illustrates how the price tag on securing Bitcoin will restrict its growth. There are more to it. Can someone put light to it?
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October 14, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
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A brand new study illustrates how the price tag on securing Bitcoin will restrict its growth. There are more to it. Can someone put light to it?

Can you link to the article so the discussion can be a little easier to follow? I suspect the idea is that because of bitcoin's scarcity and limited supply the price will trend upwards as people look to hold it, therefore making it difficult to use as a currency because of frequent price fluctuations.

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October 14, 2018, 07:39:58 PM
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https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611591/bitcoins-inherent-economics-could-keep-it-from-ever-being-very-important/
This post caught my sight actually.
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October 14, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
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My uncle in 2013 said to buy Bitcoin.

Now he says that the market will not recover. Do you think he's right?
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October 14, 2018, 07:59:17 PM
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I would reiterate the reply of Ari Paul stated in the article, 'it may be true'. And the article is staying the obvious.
But how important would that factor be? Especially when all BTC has been mined and nine is available for reward. Would there be enough miners to stay ahead of any potential attacker?

As for the bitcoin and gold contrast,  bitcoin would need a couple more years to mature and consolidate before it could be a fair comparison.

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This article draws it's conclusion that "bitcoin will never be very important" based on the premise: "If you believe Bitcoin has the potential to replace traditional global financial systems, a new economic analysis is here to rain on your parade."

Does anyone here believe Bitcoin will replace traditional global financial systems?

I don't. I bet the majority here agree with me. Fiat currency isn't going to be replaced by bitcoin. Bitcoin and crytpocurrency are simply alternative options that remedy what ails the fiat system. The reality is that current government and power brokers will not give up their power in replacement of a financial system that eliminates the middle men and revenue opportunities those middle men seize.

The MIT article is yet another example of a reporter taking Bitcoin's purpose to the extreme so they can come up with reasons why it would fail.

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October 14, 2018, 09:23:11 PM
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I think providing a link to such a study will help others to get inform on the study before one can highlight you on it. But I don't see any relation between price tag on bitcoin and its growth.

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October 14, 2018, 09:28:20 PM
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I think providing a link to such a study will help others to get inform on the study before one can highlight you on it. But I don't see any relation between price tag on bitcoin and its growth.
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This article draws it's conclusion that "bitcoin will never be very important" based on the premise: "If you believe Bitcoin has the potential to replace traditional global financial systems, a new economic analysis is here to rain on your parade."

Does anyone here believe Bitcoin will replace traditional global financial systems?

I don't. I bet the majority here agree with me. Fiat currency isn't going to be replaced by bitcoin. Bitcoin and crytpocurrency are simply alternative options that remedy what ails the fiat system. The reality is that current government and power brokers will not give up their power in replacement of a financial system that eliminates the middle men and revenue opportunities those middle men seize.

The MIT article is yet another example of a reporter taking Bitcoin's purpose to the extreme so they can come up with reasons why it would fail.

I totally agree, why would any government opt to replace their FIAT with something
they have no control over?

There is a minority who believe bitcoin will be the chosen currency of every country,
the they are the ones whose parade will be rained upon

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October 14, 2018, 10:24:24 PM
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My uncle in 2013 said to buy Bitcoin.

Now he says that the market will not recover. Do you think he's right?

Right short-term, but eventually, the market will find its way to recover. Historically, after a blow-off from an ATH, overall market sentiment was bearish, and that's the case for today. Personally I think that the price per se wouldn't restrict any growth for bitcoin. If anything, it promotes it and entices more entities to come in and do their business with the said cryptocurrency.

As for the general notion that cryptos would replace the fiat currency system eventually, it won't, though it can always co-exist with it just like gold-fiat relationship for the past centuries.

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October 14, 2018, 10:38:13 PM
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Here is the actual paper: http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/eric.budish/research/Economic-Limits-Bitcoin-Blockchain.pdf

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October 14, 2018, 10:56:04 PM
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I think the bitcoin price tag is determined by demand and trade volume. so, that is not limit the growth bitcoin price.

we see bitcoin charts that always create a positive market, a sign of good growth always creates better spreading.
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Thank You.
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1. mining cost has nothing to do with if it will replace traditional currencies.
it doesnt matter if it cost $1 to mine a bitcoin or a $1bill to mine a btc. nothing fundemental has changed. only politics can change what governments decide to tax, treasure, and publicly serve with..

2. i almost facepalmed the first couple paragraphs.. whenever someone pretends to be a economist but then mentions the market cap like its meaningful. has failed lesson one of economics. i can make a altcoin of 1trill premined coins. sell 1 for $5 and instantly have a $5trill market cap.. all for just $5. so a market cap is a meaningless bit of math there would not actually be $5tril to go around or $100-$200bill for bitcoiners

3. again fiat is about politics. assuming bitcoin could cause fiat to change. and then accuse btc of not being able to cause change is such a waste of a conversation. its like saying icecream if eaten 20 times a day by everyone will make everyone sick.. then argue there isnt enough icecream. and that not everyone could afford 20 meals of icecream a day... its like then why even bring up the subject

if the writer was actually from MIT. then he has not yet studied much. or doesnt deserve a pass

bitcoin will be its own currency. without a nation. where its like gold or art.. traded across borders without a nation owning it
yes different countries can make laws or decide to accept or not accept it. but that doesnt make a difference. you dont need art to be a national currency for people to trade it. same with gold.



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I think the paper makes some interesting observations regarding the cost of securing Bitcoin, but there seem to be some problems in the paper. I feel that some of the assumptions are not realistic or accurate.

The paper claims that the cost of an attack would be At · Nc - tPblock, where A is the ratio of attacking nodes to honest nodes, t is the duration of the attack in blocks, N is the number of honest nodes, c is the total cost of a node per block, and Pblock is the block reward. It basically says that the cost of the attack is the cost of operating the attacking nodes for t blocks minus the block rewards for those blocks.

The problem here is that it assumes that the cost per block of an attacking node is the same as c, the cost per block of an honest node. If the attacking nodes are added to the network, then the cost per block is actually higher because the fixed cost of an attacking node should depreciated across the duration of the attack, while the fixed cost of an honest node is depreciated across its lifetime.

Now, in order for the attacker's cost per block to be the same as the cost per block of an honest node, the attacker must continue mining after the attack. However, that means that the difficulty, and thus the operating cost, increases by a factor of A. I'm not sure what that means, but the result certainly isn't what the paper concludes.

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October 15, 2018, 12:08:11 PM
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This is a very controversial issue. Because the value of Bitcoin is not predictable.
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October 16, 2018, 01:49:35 PM
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This article draws it's conclusion that "bitcoin will never be very important" based on the premise: "If you believe Bitcoin has the potential to replace traditional global financial systems, a new economic analysis is here to rain on your parade."

Does anyone here believe Bitcoin will replace traditional global financial systems?

I don't. I bet the majority here agree with me. Fiat currency isn't going to be replaced by bitcoin. Bitcoin and crytpocurrency are simply alternative options that remedy what ails the fiat system. The reality is that current government and power brokers will not give up their power in replacement of a financial system that eliminates the middle men and revenue opportunities those middle men seize.

The MIT article is yet another example of a reporter taking Bitcoin's purpose to the extreme so they can come up with reasons why it would fail.

I totally agree, why would any government opt to replace their FIAT with something
they have no control over?

There is a minority who believe bitcoin will be the chosen currency of every country,
the they are the ones whose parade will be rained upon

I think in this forum you'll find it's not that much of a minority, and that is still the vision that is often preached in reference to bitcoin. I also believe that's why so many view bitcoin with skepticism because they do not ever believe such a scenario could occur. I think for bitcoin to really take the next step from where we are now there needs to be some sort of consensus as to the direction and use of bitcoin. Right now there is too much disparity between visions and it just leads to a lot of confusion and in-fighting.

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October 17, 2018, 06:35:15 AM
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" Before we dive into the argument, a little context: Bitcoin’s market capitalization over the last year or so has oscillated between $100 billion and $200 billion. Gold stock is worth about $7.5 trilllion. So, yeah, in those terms, Bitcoin is nowhere close to being “economically important.” - Bitcoin has only been around for 10 years, how unrealistic to expect that it will be able to compete with Gold that has been around for ages.  Roll Eyes

Comparing Bitcoin's security cost to traditional financial systems is also stupid, because the total cost of traditional financial system's security is not taken into consideration. <The armoured vehicles / CCTV / Physical Security etc.>  Roll Eyes

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October 18, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
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The tech behind Bitcoin is revolutionary. Even if Bitcoin can't replace the global currency, it can go hand in hand with future coins/currencies.
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We might not see a replacement of fiat currency in the future but co-existence of bitcoin or crypto and fiat is surely a possibility.
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