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December 20, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
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Are you talking about this one?

(https://www.marketwatch.com/story/defying-trump-fed-hikes-interest-rates-by-a-quarter-point-2018-12-19)

This is the latest statement from the FED that might cause the stock market to crash and that was on a Wednesday and I don't see anything mentioning about printing money or I'm just missing something. And the statement has something to do with lowering the "growth and inflation" forecast for next year. I guess its really forthcoming although is doesn't look good for Trump because it looks like they're defying him (again).


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December 20, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
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Are you talking about this one?

(https://www.marketwatch.com/story/defying-trump-fed-hikes-interest-rates-by-a-quarter-point-2018-12-19)

This is the latest statement from the FED that might cause the stock market to crash and that was on a Wednesday and I don't see anything mentioning about printing money or I'm just missing something. And the statement has something to do with lowering the "growth and inflation" forecast for next year. I guess its really forthcoming although is doesn't look good for Trump because it looks like they're defying him (again).



You're missing something.

The FED prints money whenever they want. But they don't call it "to print money". They call it something fancy so average people don't understand and they can keep their theatre going.

When the FED says they'll "tighten" controls, it means they will print less money.

When the FED says they'll "ease", it means they print money.

When the FED eases (prints their dirty money), the stock markets soar.

Yesterday they said they'd raise rates again in 2019, which in FEDspeak means "tightening".

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December 20, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
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Look, I think anyone who just outright states that the printing of new money is wrong is mistaken and jumping the gun. I cannot say that your conclusion is wrong because it is highly subjective but it is an intricate debate, there are many for's and many against's in the matter.

One bank. Controlled by 17 bankers. Has just taken down the US stock markets with one statement.

It's not simply about being against "printing money".... It's a completely insane system controlled by a little over two dozen people.

7 billion people on this planet will have worked all day today and will work for 40+ years of their whole lives simply to make the FED and their friends wealthier.

That is insane.

No doubt it is insane the level of control and influence they have over the world and all of those people's lives. BUT, that does not mean that there isn't an argument that it is for good. The fed announced an interest rate increase to make borrowing more expensive and slow consumer spending, they do that with the objective of limiting inflation and growth to a targeted amount. If that is the right course or not for an economy is open to debate. But that word is exactly what it should be, debate, debate and opinion. Not black and white.

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December 20, 2018, 11:55:35 AM
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What kind of capitalism is it when the markets depend on the FED?

It doesn't matter if 300 million Americans and billions of Asians work today or not.

It doesn't matter if a meteorite falls on Earth right now.

All that matters is whether the FED will print more FED-money to pump the markets or not!!!

All that you do, all your work, all the world's production is worthless because the FED/BCE/BOJ can simply print more money.

Everyone must work more and more to sustain a system that is absolutely unreal and illogical.

Everything we do, every single thing of value that is produced is subject to the valuation of a token that the FED prints at will. An inventor spends decades researching, files a patent, sells his patent for 100k dollars. The FED simply prints a trillion U$. That's the proportion we have right now.

For how long will The People of the world continue to accept this system?
Who knows about this first of all,lot of people don't have any knowledge how the money came from and why they are still can't rich even if they are earning more and more from the previous year,why the inflation happens and who is controlling the money.If they knows that then they will look for alternative payment medium like bitcoin.

For sure. People think moneyis magical and simply is a natural thing.

We need to help educate others and tell them the truth about where their money comes from.

Money is printed by a handful of people in their own interest.
The made us slave by keeping the printed money as superior of all so we need to run behind them if we want to succeed but in that mean while they are taking our time to do what they want to do by paying us what we wanted.But what can we do,we can't go back to old age lets make awareness and go for decentralization.

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December 20, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
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The markets continue bleeding.

Bad economy? No. Actually the economy is fine.

Low productivity? No. Productivity has never been this high.

Why are the markets crashing???

Because one bank, with 17 people inside it, decide to crash the markets.

When will The People do something about the FED?

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December 21, 2018, 07:04:43 AM
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FED is not a useless organization, they are not really that bad neither. The problem is it should have been connected to some objective organization instead of money greedy ones. If you give the rights of FED to the government than government can do whatever they please that would get them more votes and get them richer, they could literally print money and give out to the public individually for a short term gain that will affect their votes.

However, that would destroy the economy on the long run. There is a reason why FED is a private organization but certainly that reason is not to make the FED people rich, it was to actually have economic genius people to control the FED so they could do the right thing that makes sense instead of thinking politically. If Fed could move to that reality, it is actually quite useful.
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December 21, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
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World economy depend on The Fed decision. When The Fed decide to raise their interest rate, world economic could be on recession. Its affecting to others country economic because dollar needed for commodities transaction.

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December 21, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
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FED is quite important in our case because when the investments are let loose some of that money comes to crypto and that affects us greatly. Even if it doesn't go directly (which it sometimes does) it can be spent on some investment which the owner of the invested could use the personal profits on getting crypto as well.

Those billions that is spent on small establishments every year can be directly attributed towards those business getting bigger and bigger and making the owners more and more money and some of that could go into crypto.

Hence, maybe it won't be a short term gain but it could be a long term great deal for us. Hence the FED decision will always have affects on crypto either in short term or in the long term. Of course, the number one organization for us is still SEC and not FED because SEC could directly affect us quite marginally.

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December 21, 2018, 05:21:47 PM
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FED is quite important in our case because when the investments are let loose some of that money comes to crypto and that affects us greatly. Even if it doesn't go directly (which it sometimes does) it can be spent on some investment which the owner of the invested could use the personal profits on getting crypto as well.

Those billions that is spent on small establishments every year can be directly attributed towards those business getting bigger and bigger and making the owners more and more money and some of that could go into crypto.

Hence, maybe it won't be a short term gain but it could be a long term great deal for us. Hence the FED decision will always have affects on crypto either in short term or in the long term. Of course, the number one organization for us is still SEC and not FED because SEC could directly affect us quite marginally.
absolutely right, and all we have to do is just pray that the decision that will be announced is very good as the market can go back to experiencing green and the coins in it can rise in price
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December 21, 2018, 06:07:21 PM
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Did you know before the FED creation, taxes didn't exist in The US? (I even think that it was the FED that decided to not back the dollar on gold anymore) What's funny with it is it's not controlled by the White Hous,it lends money to the USA in exchange for bonds. More debt for citizens. When you born in America you are already in debt for $80,000.

When you see who pushed for the FED, you understand lol. It's an endless circle when you see that the country keeps borrowing money to pay interests. Other central banks aren't much better, to be honest.

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December 21, 2018, 11:59:26 PM
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What kind of capitalism is it when the markets depend on the FED?

It doesn't matter if 300 million Americans and billions of Asians work today or not.

It doesn't matter if a meteorite falls on Earth right now.

All that matters is whether the FED will print more FED-money to pump the markets or not!!!

All that you do, all your work, all the world's production is worthless because the FED/BCE/BOJ can simply print more money.

Everyone must work more and more to sustain a system that is absolutely unreal and illogical.

Everything we do, every single thing of value that is produced is subject to the valuation of a token that the FED prints at will. An inventor spends decades researching, files a patent, sells his patent for 100k dollars. The FED simply prints a trillion U$. That's the proportion we have right now.

For how long will The People of the world continue to accept this system?

I wouldn't go as far as saying that it doesn't matter if people are working or not, or disasters won't matter because the Fed controls everything. That would be absurd.

But it does have a very significant influence over the economy, and the currency that is currently used by billions of people across the world as a store of value.

The current system is essentially everyone placing their trust within a single entity, and that particular entity trying to control everything that goes on within the economy. It's also based on endless debt financing, which will eventually lead to the depreciation of fiat currencies.

I guess this is the issue that bitcoin is trying to tackle, because it doesn't have this single regulating entity that is able to manipulate the money supply, and create money out of thin air. Bitcoin's the exact opposite, and is actually a viable alternative long term store of value due to that fact.

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December 22, 2018, 06:15:18 AM
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What kind of capitalism is it when the markets depend on the FED?

It doesn't matter if 300 million Americans and billions of Asians work today or not.

It doesn't matter if a meteorite falls on Earth right now.

All that matters is whether the FED will print more FED-money to pump the markets or not!!!

All that you do, all your work, all the world's production is worthless because the FED/BCE/BOJ can simply print more money.

Everyone must work more and more to sustain a system that is absolutely unreal and illogical.

Everything we do, every single thing of value that is produced is subject to the valuation of a token that the FED prints at will. An inventor spends decades researching, files a patent, sells his patent for 100k dollars. The FED simply prints a trillion U$. That's the proportion we have right now.

For how long will The People of the world continue to accept this system?
it means that in my superficial opinion market price movements are determined by market participants of 1% and the remainder is driven by certain institutions or groups that do have great power in driving prices, and the world community must inevitably accept all those things, there will be no powerless against giants. Is my opinion not too vulgar or offensive to one party?
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December 22, 2018, 07:17:10 AM
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For how long will The People of the world continue to accept this system?

As long as the average citizen is dumbed down by the people who are in control of our financial system and the education system that are pushing their agenda.

The average citizen of this world does not understand the inner workings of this complex Fiat system and how the printing of "toilet paper" money are slowly digging the grave for our global economy.  Roll Eyes

We hoped that the previous near collapse of the economy in 2007/2008 would have opened up their eyes, but the people in control just avoided the collapse by dumping millions of tax payers money into that bottomless pit. This temporarily delayed the collapse with a couple of years.  Angry

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December 22, 2018, 12:02:04 PM
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Most country depend on The Fed because most commodity market using US Dollar and every foreign transaction using US Dollar. Its make world economic depend on The Fed decision. Every time The Fed make announcement about interest rate, it will afffecting to US Dollar value and creating turbulance in world economic
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December 22, 2018, 06:29:33 PM
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What kind of capitalism is it when the markets depend on the FED?
All that matters is whether the FED will print more FED-money to pump the markets or not!!!

Everything we do, every single thing of value that is produced is subject to the valuation of a token that the FED prints at will. An inventor spends decades researching, files a patent, sells his patent for 100k dollars. The FED simply prints a trillion U$. That's the proportion we have right now.
For how long will The People of the world continue to accept this system?
I single authority has both advantages and disadvantages. If the system is good, it can guarantee impressive stability and money can be save. However, the temptation of printing more money is a very risky thing with fiat. FED is always cautious not to print too much, though, because nobody needs hyperinflation. People mainly don't care. They think that dollar's been around for long enough, so they believe it will not betray them. I bet many people don't know that printing infinite amounts of money is allowed, and some might still think that dollar is backed up by something like gold. Cryptocurrencies are obviously better in many aspects, but one should just look at volatility to understand why people can't just switch to them.

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December 23, 2018, 02:23:47 AM
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From what i am read, The Fed having control on world economic because US Dollar needed for global transaction. Interest Rate from The Fed affecting to global economic because if The Fed raise the rate, US Dollar will back to America and its bad for local currency value

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December 23, 2018, 04:01:18 AM
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99% of the people are sheep.They live under the "study hard-get a college degree,get a job,get a mortgage,retire" type of matrix.This matrix is maintained and funded by the central banks.The bankers want only 2 things-more debt and more consumers.This is a rat race.
Very well said, it's sad but its the reality, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Blockchain and bitcoin is anti government because its decentralized, if we want our life to be change in the future, we should bet on this technology now.
Government can make regulations but I hope people will object until a regulation will be pro bitcoin and pro people because this is us and this is our future.

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December 23, 2018, 04:38:31 AM
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I think you should accept this. Because this is the nature of the market, a lot of people will have a lot of power.
We are always on the low side but we can still make money by trading. Don't give up, try to become rich and join the manipulation organization. You will feel yourself very successful. Cheesy

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