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Question: Do you think that creating a Child Board for ban complaints is a good idea?
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October 25, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
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Would that be a bad thing?

But then what's the point in Meta? As I've said before we don't need sub boards for every little issue, especially when creating a new one will leave the existing one dead or largely inactive. Meta is the board for complaints and people are going to complain. If we want to cut down on these sort of complaints then just fix it so we can state the reason of the permaban more efficiently and most of these threads will stop instantly.

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October 25, 2018, 12:25:34 PM
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I don't think we need a new sub for this, especially as Meta would be pretty empty without them,

Would that be a bad thing?

It wouldn't be empty, we could still have 50 threads about merit here, and of course the threads about other child boards that we would like to create.

I like CB's idea though, whether we create a child board, or a single megathread for appeals, or leave appeals in Meta:

they should also have the privileges of using their old account to appeal their cases

It seems kinda pointless to force them to create a new account. The ban message could have a link to Meta/child board/megathread so they could just go and post there (but nowhere else).
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October 25, 2018, 12:28:07 PM
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But this is what Meta is for: forum-based issues, and that's what a banned account falls under. It's even in the rules that banned users can only post in here. I don't think we need a new sub for this

Maybe the best thing would be a pinned Topic in Meta with maybe Titel "  Complaints about Banned Accounts "

But there will be always users they will give a shit about it and open a new Thread !

Best example from the last days are the users with the message : " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=userID;sa=statPanel "
One User with a few accounts asking for every Account in new threads .

The final result was :  All these accounts have a connection !


Best solution should be the Reason of the ban in the Ban Message self !







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October 25, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
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If permabanned users are just actually told that they're banned for copy and pastes then 98% of them probably won't bother creating another account to ask why (though I'm sure some will still do so to try futilely protest and whatnot).
I still like the idea of having a child board, but the above suggestion would probably help.  It would be even better if banned members were given an example of what they copy/pasted, which I think is usually provided when someone reports a plagiarized post to a moderator.  That's probably asking way too much if the current system for mods issuing bans is as clunky as you say (and I believe you), but showing someone exactly what they plagiarized would likely cut down on ban appeal threads even more--or at least we wouldn't get all the stupid "what did I do wrong?" posts.  Those are unnecessary and waste people's time, because invariably someone goes digging to come up with an example.

But even if a reason and an example were provided in the ban message, I would bet money that these people are still going to keep making Meta threads asking for mercy, giving excuses, and lying through their teeth about how their dog stole their laptop and somehow managed to copy someone else's content.  That's why I think the child board solution is a better one, and I disagree that Meta would be empty without ban appeal threads--if anything, it'd be easier to find actual discussion threads.

Best solution should be the Reason of the ban in the Ban Message self !
That's not the best solution, but as I said I do think the reason should be provided in the message.  It's a start.

Maybe the best thing would be a pinned Topic in Meta with maybe Titel "  Complaints about Banned Accounts "
That was suggested before, and the main problem with it is that most banned members won't read it or will still create an appeal thread begging for mercy, complaining about the ban, or whatever else.  I don't think a pinned topic would help at all.

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October 25, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
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Would that be a bad thing?

But then what's the point in Meta? As I've said before we don't need sub boards for every little issue, especially when creating a new one will leave the existing one dead or largely inactive. Meta is the board for complaints and people are going to complain. If we want to cut down on these sort of complaints then just fix it so we can state the reason of the permaban more efficiently and most of these threads will stop instantly.

Exactly, fix the reasons for complaints and be done with!!!

Right now meta is flooded with
- why I have been banned
- get those plagiarists banned
- complaints about the merit system
- bragging about the merit system
- adding features to the forum
- why are not features we need so badly added and so on

If we would fix all those somehow I guess nobody will complain that the meta section is empty and forgotten.

I'm also a bit active in a local forum, it's far smaller, probably with only 10k active users but in the forum feedback section that acts the same way meta does here the topic at the bottom of the first page is from 15th of June !!!!, and this is mostly because there are no actual issues with it. Of course, Btctalk is different and the amount of $ involved here is one of the main reasons but there are a lot of things that could be done in a few hours of coding (maybe more, not a programmer here) which would cut hundreds of hours of debating and mod work.

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October 25, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
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And some perspective: mods have been banning 1-2 thousand users per week recently. According to the OP there were ~30 appeal threads in ~ half a week, including bumps of older threads from before. Could be worse.
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1-2k bans per week – damn it... it’s quite a lot - they have really lot of work…

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But this is what Meta is for: forum-based issues, and that's what a banned account falls under. It's even in the rules that banned users can only post in here. I don't think we need a new sub for this, especially as Meta would be pretty empty without them
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But then what's the point in Meta? As I've said before we don't need sub boards for every little issue, especially when creating a new one will leave the existing one dead or largely inactive.
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Once again: no one wants to throw these threads out of meta board just to move them child board – I understand a child board as a part of main board just more specialized in a specific matter.
I wouldn’t also worry that meta would be empty without them. I gave the idea for consideration, because there are really lot of such threads (tens a week) but there are still not more than 15%-25% of all meta threads so there would still many threads left in main board, so I’m sure so it would not become inactive nor dead.

The description of meta bard is “Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum” what I see much wider than “Discussion about specific users complains”, more like place to discuss about forum like the whole – its rules, ranks, stats, inconveniences, possible facilities etc... where specific users issues are treated more like examples than main point of focus...

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