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October 24, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

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October 24, 2018, 06:39:31 PM
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That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.
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October 24, 2018, 06:54:23 PM
Last edit: October 24, 2018, 07:36:21 PM by TECSHARE
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.


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October 24, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail...

It truly amazes me that some people can completely dismiss multiple high profile democrats receiving bombs in the mail...

Would you dismiss it so easily if multiple republicans and Fox News got mailed bombs?  I'm guessing not since I have seen your hypocrisy before
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October 24, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.

I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known. Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way? Butthurt Bernie supporters perhaps? 2 years later?

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...

One was a addressed to Holder but had a return address of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, so it ended up at her address.


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I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail, right before the elections. Gotta cast yourself as the victim just like the invasion caravan. Funny, Soros's employee was pretty ballsey moving it rather than following the standard procedure of leaving the device in place and contacting law enforcement. Of course moving an IED is a little less nerve wracking if you know it won't go off...

Also notice the FBI nor the ATF are confirming that they were ACTUAL explosive devices yet, only that they "appeared to be explosive device(s)". Since standard operating procedure is to blow up the devices, there would be little way to know if it was actually armed or not. This reeks as yet another desperate last ditch attempt to salvage midterms for the Democrats.

I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known. Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way? Butthurt Bernie supporters perhaps? 2 years later?

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...

One was a addressed to Holder but had a return address of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, so it ended up at her address.




I am sure this is all just a coincidence that all these people promoting this invasion caravan stuff suddenly are all getting "bombs" in the mail...

It truly amazes me that some people can completely dismiss multiple high profile democrats receiving bombs in the mail...

Would you dismiss it so easily if multiple republicans and Fox News got mailed bombs?  I'm guessing not since I have seen your hypocrisy before

I didn't dismiss it, I said it was done for an ulterior motive, likely not even by their enemies. Also, as I said the conclusion they were actually explosive devices has not been stated by the FBI or ATF, only that they "appeared to be." As I explained the standard procedure is to blow the device in place, so chances are we will never know for sure. It could have simply been a box off unassembled components of a bomb, no one would ever be able to tell the difference after it is detonated with added explosives used to deactivate it.

When a bunch of Republicans got sent ricin a few weeks back you didn't see me here blaming Democrats over it. Also everyone knows now days these high profile people are like the 10th person to check out their mail. There was never any risk to any of them. This is exactly the kind of Hail Mary move they would make out of desperation. They constantly must fill the role of victim to sell their narrative. Also exactly the kind of movie script people who live in TV land would suck up and ask for more. In reality, things almost never have such a clear narrative.

Also all of these people are complicit in very serious federal crimes, and they know prosecution is on the way. What better way to elicit sympathy than looking like they are under physical attack as they literally call for incivility themselves, and support the mass invasion of our country. This was very carefully timed, it was not a coincidence.

Ask some simple questions like any investigator...

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?


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I wasn't expecting a conspiracy theory until at least page 3, well done.

I'm not one to jump to conclusions, or believe in conspiracies in general, but...

It IS kinda coincidental that the packages are sent to Trumps most vociferous critics, not one exploded, and the timing; right before the midterm...  Since the recent "Kavanaugh Effect" has been demonstrably hurtful the Democrats, it wouldn't surprise me if some Left Wing Extremest did this in an attempt to turn the tables.

The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?

Critical thinking doesn't seem to be at all common anymore.  Just look over in the Altcoin board for proof.

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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

My guess is if they are not real bombs, the FBI ought to know by tomorrow.  If that's the case the New York Times will have one paragraph about it, on the back page, under the Estee Lauder ad.

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The left wing is sending fake bombs just to have something to blame on the right wing.

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The packages are being taken to Quantico for disassembly.  If we don't hear anything about it tomorrow, you'll know TecShare was right.  If the left wing media buries the story we'll know it's because it won't help the Democrats.

I don't see how an arbitrary deadline can tell us the motive of this act. The FBI will take as much time to investigate as they need, whether it's done today or next week or next year.

My guess is if they are not real bombs, the FBI ought to know by tomorrow.  If that's the case the New York Times will have one paragraph about it, on the back page, under the Estee Lauder ad.

That still doesn't mean anything. To have any hint of a motive the FBI at the very least would need to figure out who did it. Which shouldn't be too hard - it's almost impossible to mail a package anonymously these days.

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What's the sentence for mailing a bomb?

Probably at least a decade, right?

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My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.


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President Trump has incited violence against his political opponents innumerable times.^[1]

Half a dozen of the President's so called "enemies" were targeted and explosive devices were sent to their offices or residences.[2]

Former CIA Director[3] John Brennan[4] sent to CNN - President Trump has called the media *"The enemy of the people"*[5]

President Bill Clinton[6] and Hillary Clinton[7] going so far as to suggest deadly violence[8]

George Soros[9]

President Obama[10]

Former Attorney General Eric Holder[11]

Congresswoman Maxine Waters[12]

The President's attacks against political opponents, the free press and praise for dictators

The rhetoric and actions taken by the President - from continuing to berate the fourth estate by referring to the media as *"fake news"*[13] to calling his political opponents traitors[14] while he attacks the judicial branch of government without remorse,[15] are just a few examples of his egregious attacks on democratic institutions and norms.

President Trump has referred to the minority party as un-American for not applauding his speech.[16] President Trump joked about wanting to consolidate his power like his dictator colleague in China, President Xi.[17] President Trump has repeatedly praised dictators including Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, and el-Sisi.[18]

Trump’s fondness for authoritarians may have more to do with how power is wielded than those who exercise it. It just so happens that Western governments have, for the past seven decades, mostly adhered to a system of the rule of law, which empowers institutions rather than individuals. Trump’s apparent preference is for a system in which one individual, presumably him, wields that power.

Indeed, his fondness for strongmen and dictators isn’t limited to Xi Jinping or any other individual in power now. He has praised Iraq’s Saddam Hussein (while also criticizing him as “a bad guy”) for killing terrorists. “He did that so good,” Trump said in July 2016. “They didn’t read them the rights. They didn’t talk. They were terrorists. Over.”

Trump also said in 2016 that Libya would be better off “if [Moammar] Gaddafi were in charge right now.” He once tweeted a quote from Benito Mussolini, the Italian fascist leader, and later defended the tweet, saying: “Mussolini was Mussolini ... It’s a very good quote. It’s a very interesting quote... what difference does it make whether it’s Mussolini or somebody else?”

Trump even said China’s brutal crackdown on protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989 “shows you the power of strength,” contrasting the Communist Party’s action with the United States, which he said “is right now perceived as weak.” Trump made those comments in 1990. When asked about the remarks during the presidential debate in 2016, Trump defended himself and appeared to take the Chinese Communist Party’s view of the events at Tiananmen. He dismissed the deadly military response as a “riot.”

Following Saudi Arabia's grotesque assassination of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey[19] President Trump encouraged assaulting reporters and journalists at a rally in Montana last week.[20]

YouTube - All the Times Trump Has Called for Violence at His Rallies

Fox News - Explosive devices mailed to Obama, Hillary Clinton, others prompt security scare

CNN - Trump blasts former CIA Director John Brennan as 'loudmouth, partisan, political hack'

NBC - Trump ties 'rigged witch hunt' to decision to revoke Brennan's security clearance

NPR - Opinion: Calling The Press The Enemy Of The People Is A Menacing Move

New York Times - Donald Trump Opens New Line of Attack on Hillary Clinton: Her Marriage

NBC - Trump accuses Hillary Clinton of colluding with Russia as crowd chants 'lock her up'

New York Times - Donald Trump Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton

Washington Post - Why Trump and the Republicans keep talking about George Soros

New York Times - Trump Attacks Obama, and His Own Attorney General, Over Russia Inquiry

Axios - Trump says Eric Holder "better be careful what he's wishing for"

The Guardian - 'You better shoot straight': how Maxine Waters became Trump's public enemy No 1

Washington Post - Trump admitted he attacks press to shield himself from negative coverage, Lesley Stahl says

The Atlantic - He Dares Call It Treason

Washington Post - All the times Trump personally attacked judges — and why his tirades are ‘worse than wrong’

USA Today - Trump blasts 'treasonous' Democrats for not applauding at his State of the Union address

Deutsche Welle - US President Donald Trump praises China's Xi Jinping for consolidating grip on power

The Atlantic - Nine Notorious Dictators, Nine Shout-Outs From Donald Trump

PK - Saudi Arabia's assassination of a journalist and the world's response

Washington Post - President Trump greenlights assaults on reporters
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This just hit the news all over the place

Explosive Devices Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html

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Explosive devices were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor who has come under fierce criticism from conservatives and conspiracy theorists.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons.

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in the pantheon of conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.

The right wing is just doing what Trump wants, the mob and journalists are the enemy of the people and they must be terrorized by Trumps base!

It's more now, CNN got one and I thought I just heard Holder got one as well...  Looks like it's more than that even, I just heard a report of 7 packages delivered to people that Trump has attacked on Twitter and in his rallies...

Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!
If i could have a bet on it i would bet the DEMS done it themselves..

9/11 towers that blew up fox news cnn all in on it    So i wonder who is in on this event..
The scum bums would do anything for monies.. Why can't you loy who have been in power just get lost  Not to be seen anymore? You have enough monies and still you want more Roll Eyes..Greedy RATS ..ARRR is your power going?     no one cares what spews out your rotten faces anymore?  Grin..

My money is on Obama clintons and cronies who have done this to themselves for an agenda   The i am losing my power game Cheesy..
If i was the police i would look at THE DEMS  first i would always have them as 1 suspect  as well as others  Wink..

Fox news your station is becoming just as bad as CNN   been bought out by comcast?  ..

ALL THE MEDIA   IN MAIN NEWS IS BULLSHIT   DON'T BELIEVE NONE OF THEM   NOT1..

I find it finny that even a news reader would hang their own citizens for a pay packet      ALL FOR A PAY PACKET Shocked..

Oh sam the news reader it's just come in our ear from above to pretend we are not killing millions for a pay packet Wink Cheesy  GREEDY  Cheesy..

The news the doctors the judges the police mother teresa god would all tell you lies even if it's means death for MONIES Cheesy Cheesy..

Power=money=power OR  money=power=money  what ever the sum starts with           it will always involve the monies..RICHES easy life ..

Who ever believes the DEMS even TRUMPS don't believe no one i warn you..100 YEARS as a punishment for cheating BERNIE you should never be allowed in power ..

Plus Bernie you should of fought for your right to have been the dems leader   but you got cheated because they didn't want to give the USA young kids a free education..

No bernie will give free this and that and even clinton didn't want you all to get it..

VOTE TRUMPS 4 MORE YEARS ..The FBI  CIA  DEMS DOJ   Just to name a few  all are ROTTEN TO THE CORE..RATS who benefit themselves and look at every joe like a meal ticket for themselves  ...

If you have CIVIL WAR   blame the leaders and fox news cnn and many other media outlets ..

WE THE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF YOUR GREEDY FUCKING LIES  ..Get a real job you BUMS.. Cheesy  dig obama see what it's like to really work  you bum  ..
Also what cases did you even win as a lawyer?  SHIT CASES   more a black protester for the monies  i will tell the blacks bullshit they vote me in and i make monies for me and my family  ..1.2 TRILLION every year you was in power racked up 10 trillion in debt the blcks now have to pay back Cheesy Cheesy..

Get paying it BLACK USA  Obama made you a BLACK DEBT SLAVE..  well at least he never had you picking cotton   Oh i forgot he locked you up instead to work for free..

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My conspiracy, if I'm even allowed an opinion here, is it was government sanctioned to distract the entire media from the whole middle east thing.

Way more close to home story rather than just a state-sanctioned murdered journalist; also an attack on United States citizens > foreign people.

Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.

So your theory is that Trump "sanctioned" this to implicate himself? You should get your own AM radio show.

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From the WSJ editorial board:

Quote from: WSJ editorial board -- The Politics of Pipe Bombs

The Politics of Pipe Bombs
All those who choose violence need to be held accountable.


Wednesday brought ugly news that bomb-like devices had been mailed to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder, which followed the discovery Monday of a pipe bomb in the mailbox at the Westchester County, N.Y., home of George Soros, the billionaire funder of liberal political causes. Apparent explosive devices were also discovered Wednesday at the New York office of CNN, as well as at a district office of Florida Democrat Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

The motives of the sender aren’t known, though the devices suggest a pattern that could make them related. The urgent burden now is on the FBI, the Secret Service and the U.S. Postal Service to find the culprit.

Let’s hope the FBI does a better job than it did in 2001 when anthrax-laced letters killed several Americans. The FBI spent years hounding an innocent man before settling on a federal researcher who committed suicide in 2008 after learning he’d be charged. Especially so close to an election, the public should discount unconfirmed leaks about suspects or motives.

Close to an election there are also attempts to blame the devices on intemperate political rhetoric, especially from Donald Trump. We doubt this, and we doubt it in the same way we never believed the attack on Steve Scalise and other Republicans as they were playing baseball in Virginia in 2017 was the fault of Bernie Sanders, though the man guilty of the shooting rampage was a Bernie volunteer.

On Wednesday Mr. Trump condemned the act of sending the devices and said that “in these times, we have to unify. We have to come together, and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America. ”

That wasn’t good enough for Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, who issued a joint statement saying Mr. Trump’s “words ring hollow until he reverses his statements that condone acts of violence.” As if this is a moment to settle political scores.

Mr. Obama offered a better message in Tucson in 2011 when he paid tribute to those killed by the madman who also wounded Rep. Gabby Giffords. Mr. Obama said the lack of civility in politics wasn’t to blame—and he cautioned against a political impulse to “lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do.”

If we want to make America less vulnerable to violence, we’d do better to look past the political rhetoric and insist on exacting a higher price from those who choose violence. Those who burn universities because they don’t like the speaker, white supremacists who seek out and engage in brawls, or masked protestors breaking shop windows—they all deserve the full sanction of the law. The priority now is to find the person responsible—and then ensure the offender spends a long time in prison.

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I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.  
Fucking right wing nut jobs or IOW Trump NATIONALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans produce terrorists, democrats produce affordable health care!
That is sad. Probably done by a right wing extremist with some serious psychiatric disorder.
Oh, looks like all the targets were Trump's targets, turns out he incited this violence.
Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

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Until people realize the left is the right.


Until people realize the right is the left.

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As any Conservative here (and also a lot of Liberals) will tell you, CNN is irrelevant. This is how the right largely sees it, as a joke. I have never once, even on comment sections on the net, seen ANYONE EVER suggest carrying out acts of violence on CNN. Right wingers aren't forming mobs outside of CNN headquarters trying to bust the doors down, now or ever. The concept itself is quite retarded and would accomplish nothing... unless of course your only intent was to pick a handful of people who most symbolized the left and cast them as victims. This is a pathetic attempt at relevancy for these people.


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This demonizing of public figures is source of the problem. They're people, and are just trying to get by, like anyone else.

The higher you up on the ladder, the more visible your ass is, and the more you're associated with shit.

Displays of hate such as this will not end until we solve the scarcity problem and provide at least a feeling of freedom and abundance for everyone.
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Oh please do keep pretending this is not a RESIST™ branded Hollywood production.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-25/suspicious-package-found-outside-nyc-home-actor-robert-de-niro

This is their calling card. Their hubris reeks and covers every thing they do. They never know when enough is enough and insist on jumping the shark over and over.


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Until people realize the left is the right.

Until people realize the right is the left.

There is no hope for us all.

Republican vs Democrat is a silly game that rich people play to keep us fighting against each other instead of fighting them

There is a reason they keep it pretty close to 50%/50% for 200+ years... it is not an accident that the control keeps swapping back and forth between parties every 8 years... this is all by design

If one party was truly better than the other, we wouldn't have such a 50/50 split... they both try to be evil enough that they only get 50% of the vote

More people hate the other party more than they like their own... everyone knows their own party lies to them (unless they are completely ignorant)... it is never a choice between the best person for the job... it is always a choice between the lesser of two evils... because both parties always nominate someone evil
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I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.  

You should tell that to your pussy grabbing megalomaniac who doubled down on his attack on the media today on twitter.

Why did you only quote the shameful politicizing by those of us on the left?  I guess calling it a false flag isn't politicizing it because it helps Trump, LOL fucking hypocrite.

Even Trump had the self-awareness to not go full retard before all facts are known.

Well that lasted only a few hours LOL, Trump is back and blaming this now on the media!

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Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

"Enemy of the people" ring a bell? "Anybody that can do a body-slam is my guy"?

Trump stokes violence because it plays well with his base and supports his "tough guy" image. A few nice words later he was still attacking the media at his rally in Wisconsin last night.

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Trump was right to quickly condemn this act of terrorism, and he was right to describe this as an attack on our democracy. This type of behavior has no place in our society.

I can't say if this is a "false flag" or not, however it is very shameful for those on the left to claim this is somehow Trumps fault, when it has been many on the left actively advocating for what can reasonably be described as acts of violence on the right.

"Enemy of the people" ring a bell? "Anybody that can do a body-slam is my guy"?

Trump stokes violence because it plays well with his base and supports his "tough guy" image. A few nice words later he was still attacking the media at his rally in Wisconsin last night.


Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence, I don't want to spam up the thread with a huge list of examples. Hey you are concluding this MUST be some one on the right attacking the left, suddenly people who disagree with you can not make similar conclusions?

Conservatives have been biting their lips and not reacting to violence from the left for a LONG time, because they, unlike the left, really understand what results from solving political issues with violence. They would rather be repeatedly attacked than start a violent civil war.

For you to suggest that Trumps QUITE REASONABLE criticism of the press is equivalent to calling for violence is juvenile. You know who has been calling for violence over and over though? The Democrats and the left.

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I didn't dismiss it, I said it was done for an ulterior motive, likely not even by their enemies. Also, as I said the conclusion they were actually explosive devices has not been stated by the FBI or ATF, only that they "appeared to be." As I explained the standard procedure is to blow the device in place, so chances are we will never know for sure. It could have simply been a box off unassembled components of a bomb, no one would ever be able to tell the difference after it is detonated with added explosives used to deactivate it.

When a bunch of Republicans got sent ricin a few weeks back you didn't see me here blaming Democrats over it. Also everyone knows now days these high profile people are like the 10th person to check out their mail. There was never any risk to any of them. This is exactly the kind of Hail Mary move they would make out of desperation. They constantly must fill the role of victim to sell their narrative. Also exactly the kind of movie script people who live in TV land would suck up and ask for more. In reality, things almost never have such a clear narrative.

Also all of these people are complicit in very serious federal crimes, and they know prosecution is on the way. What better way to elicit sympathy than looking like they are under physical attack as they literally call for incivility themselves, and support the mass invasion of our country. This was very carefully timed, it was not a coincidence.

Ask some simple questions like any investigator...

Who benefits from this?
Who has the ability and means to pull this off?
What does this accomplish?
What possible motivations could be behind this?
Why is the timing so close to midterm elections?
Who has traditionally occupied the rhetoric of victimization?
What could this serve to distract from?

Totally agree with this. I just don't know how none of these bombs actually succeeded in killing their targets. It seems like something that was so idiotic that it couldn't have been done by someone who ACTUALLY wanted to do the job.

I'm not going to say that this was done internally, nor was it done by Republicans.

For god sake folks, this could have been done by the Russians to try to strike fear and divide in the country. It seems like they're succeeding. As you have the right calling this an inside job and you have Democrats (like flying hellfish) saying that the entire Republican party supports this.

We're better than this folks, come on. If this is them (or someone else trying to divide the country) they're doing a good job.




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I just don't know how none of these bombs actually succeeded in killing their targets.

Rich people don't open their own mail, it's that simple

High profile people like Obama and the Clintons probably get hundreds if not thousands of letters every day... a lot of it will be hate mail and death threats... they don't open any of that themselves, who has the time?  They have plenty of money to hire someone to open their mail, read it, and tell them if anything is worth looking at.

Kings have always employed food tasters to check for poison in their dinner before eating.  This is no different

For god sake folks, this could have been done by the Russians to try to strike fear and divide in the country. It seems like they're succeeding. As you have the right calling this an inside job and you have Democrats (like flying hellfish) saying that the entire Republican party supports this.

We're better than this folks, come on. If this is them (or someone else trying to divide the country) they're doing a good job.

I'll admit the timing is suspicious.  It is an October Surprise.  Realistically it could be anyone... to quote myself from earlier, "Republican vs Democrat is a silly game that rich people play to keep us fighting against each other instead of fighting them"
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I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.

I agree, and I am ashamed of myself for jumping into the politicization of this event.  It is terrorism, and there's no other way to describe it.  Even if the bombs turn out to be fakes, the intent was obviously to intimidate.  Regardless of the perpetrator's political motives, this is terrorism and we should all be condemning it.

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October 25, 2018, 03:27:39 PM
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Former CIA director John Brennan essentially blames Trump for the mailing of the bombs. It is statements like this that remove the credibility of the condemnations of this act of terror.

His employer should absolutely immediately fire Brennan for this, especially considering that he is not in any actual danger from these packages, it is the employees of the mailroom who these packages are most likely to hurt.

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I would say shame on those in this thread who are attempting to politicize this act of terrorism.

I agree, and I am ashamed of myself for jumping into the politicization of this event.  It is terrorism, and there's no other way to describe it.  Even if the bombs turn out to be fakes, the intent was obviously to intimidate.  Regardless of the perpetrator's political motives, this is terrorism and we should all be condemning it.

Quickseller really has no business shaming anyone frankly. You see you have the good sense to moderate yourself. This is some thing I am not seeing a lot of on the left. Coming to a conclusion based on motives is not unreasonable or equivalent to "politicizing" it. We all condemn the behavior no matter what narrative it was, but it is not yet obvious what the intent truly was.

Now public figures on the other hand, I agree completely. They have a larger voice and people respond to their words. The idea you should mute yourself while these talking heads and politicians go wild is asinine.


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Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence, I don't want to spam up the thread with a huge list of examples. Hey you are concluding this MUST be some one on the right attacking the left, suddenly people who disagree with you can not make similar conclusions?

You can unbunch your panties. Make any conclusions you want and I'll laugh at them any chance I get, as I would with anyone who pretends to have "opinions" and "conclusions" and rejects basic facts.

For you to suggest that Trumps QUITE REASONABLE criticism of the press is equivalent to calling for violence is juvenile. You know who has been calling for violence over and over though? The Democrats and the left.

"Enemy of the people" is not reasonable criticism. Look at how media is treated by Trump rally participants if you're in any doubt as to what's going on here.

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People were put in danger and a lot are dismissing it just because they do not like those people. It's disgusting.
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I heard 9 pipe bombs was sent to different addresses all DEMS     I find it was funny the fact no stamps on parcels to trace back to sender Roll Eyes ..
But the dems didn't think they said some was sent by courier  OK so how did this terrorist send them by courier? ..

If you send by courier they still need to be signed for and the persons needs to go to a post office of some sort ..
You cannot flag a courier down and pull it up at the side of the road and say POST THIS..

Go and try and pull over a courier van and say post this at such and such address with printed stamps on the parcels  Wink Roll Eyes Cheesy..

The news said the stamps that you see on the parcels was printed and then a courier service delivered them  HOW ?..
Even if the courier service never noticed they must have cameras in the building of the courier service?..

I have never ever known a courier service to post something unless it come from the office..So where is the terrorist on camera asking the courier service to deliver this parcel
and also the terrorist must of paid some how..?  so where is the terrorist receipt for the use of the couriers service delivery ..

You cannot pull a courier service van over and ask for a parcel to be sent  you must go to a office of some sort to pay for the delivery..

Now if the FBI CIA CRONIES  who are a total gangsters crew  should of easy find out by now..

The USA     FBI  CIA   are scum of the earth RATS  not the little guys in the FBI or CIA  the top of the tree needs cutting down to size..
As in STOP  using people for your own gains   YOU BUMS..

It wouldn't surprise me if the FBI set some poor fucker up..  WE GOT HIM    yeah right Cheesy..

Lets just say  YOUR secret services in the USA  are SCUM BAGS   rats..  the top brass send the small CIA dudes to do their dirty work so they benefit  not the little CIA dude but the top ASS HOLE   RATS   who clinton obama and the likes have in their pockets ..

dON'T GET ME WRONG I COULD BE WRONG 1% WRONG ..I know i am right and so do most of the planet KNOW what RATS  you political elite are like..

The funny thing is the internet  MADE US SEE THE LIGHT Grin Cheesy...I bet the politicians HATE THE INTERNET Cheesy Cheesy...I FUCKING LOVE IT..
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Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence....

You can unbunch your panties. Make any conclusions you want and I'll laugh at them....

Laughing and ridiculing these events is way, way improper.
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Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence....

You can unbunch your panties. Make any conclusions you want and I'll laugh at them....

Laughing and ridiculing these events is way, way improper.

Reading matters. I'm laughing at Tecshare's "conclusions" (more like conspiracy theories) as well as the ridiculous assertion that I'm somehow trying to prevent said "conclusions" from being made.

Bolding random shit and cutting posts up to make it seem like I said something I didn't is indeed improper, and I'll ridicule that too. I hope that's ok with you but I don't really give a shit if it isn't.

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Right wing extremism is a scary thing.

I'm pretty sure the person or people that are mailing these bombs through the mail are mentally ill in at least some way. There's no way that a mentally competent person would think this was a good idea in anyway, shape, or form.

As a democratic supporter, I feel as though I could be next personally, if a certain individual really wanted it so.

Unlike these victims, I don't have a security detail. They're obviously getting a basic hit-list from some place. So far, there's been wild accusations that it's some left-wing person targeting their own people as some false-flag operation. "Hey guys, I'm going to risk my freedom by spreading fear through bombs in the mail to well guarded people". That's some nutbag crazy conspiracy tbh. Eventually, the perpetrator will be caught. There's plenty of lessons of that. What person in their right mind would even think to do something.

Now, onto the actual perpetrator. The hit-list comes from Trump himself, as so far, only the individuals targeted have criticized them. The victims are all registered democrat voter, as far as I'm aware. There were political and cultural people victims.

A few questions; was this a state-sanctioned act? is America under attack?

Sadly, without evidence, we can't even rule this out. It's obviously an internal attack, and I'm sure our borders are safe. I don't feel as though it'd be a nation-state level of events, even though Putin does hate some of these individuals (including Clinton).

The only supporting evidence this is foreign to me, is they fucked up the envelope. That could have just been a way to bypass security, however it was off. Even that seems a bit far-fetched, at least to me.

So, assuming the attack in internal, what can we leverage from the information we have. Let's look at the consumption of media by the individual.

I don't really follow right wing extremist (eg. Alex Jones) but I know of it. I know there was calling of violence, anger, hate, pretty much everything that breeds political incitement. I caught some AM radio news and holy hell, the way people talk about stuff. It's absolutely mindnumbing. The amount of mental gymnastics people make. Paint Obama as the devil for years, but then say "don't criticize the president, it's unamerican". Anyway, back to my point, the right. I'm assuming these people are mentioned frequently in right wing media. I'd imagine they need some sort of mental scapegoat for problems they're facing.

The targets are democrats that haven't been mentioned in months by moderate left media. Also, as a moderate left member of democrats, I feel some disdain towards the DNC for failing at security procedures and Clinton especially for being in bed with the lobbist. But Biden aint done nothing wrong, nor has any of the other individuals listed. To be honest, if we never find out who the perpetrator is, and all these individuals run for office, I'll put on my tin hat and call this whole mess a left-wing conspiracy. However, I don't forsee Clinton trying another run at Trump. I don't see De Niro going for it either.

I'm not sure about the moderate left or right to be honest. I think they're mostly keeping their heads down and staying out of it. I'd like to rule those people out.

Now, looking at the evidence, we can probably assume the individual was a right-wing extremist with mental issues.

Mental issues stem from a variety of problems, such as poverty and drug addiction, other are more natural. America does have a drug problem, too much black market, not enough regulation. Legalization of weed is coming along as progress in a few states, but myth and heroin has been taking this nation by storm. Rural towns are meth'd up, cities are heroin'd down from my perspective. I think it was probably someone myth'd up, to be honest. It seems as though someone listening to AM radio while doing some meth (and I bet you there are hundreds across America doing this now, in our land of 330 million (with only 300 million free currently [rofl 10% incarceration]) could be reasonable of suspicion of committing a crime or two. I mean, smoking, injecting... consuming meth is against the law, as far as I'm aware. But the larger issue is they're sending bombs through the mail.

A meth-head with a stolen laptop searches internet bomb and prints off a couple labels, drops them off at random sections, and them damned evil doers will be dead.

If the individual's a gaming man:
I'd bet he'd gamble on the next target. De Niro being the odd ball no one picked or some bullshit. I'm not sure, I don't gamble, but goddamned, cheating the system Wink

Anyway, until the FBI releases more details, I'm making the assumption it's some rural meth addicted right wing extremist executing his wild aggressive fantasies without regard to reality.

My assumption could be wrong pretty quickly if all of a sudden political allies to Trump were targeted next, not individuals that he has attacked.
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Pretty sure the person or people that are mailing these bombs through the mail are mentally ill in at least some way. There's no way that a mentally competent person would think this was a good idea in anyway, shape, or form.

Mentally ill < Yes i bet hillary is mentally ill after losing to TRUMPS Cheesy..
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I just don't know how none of these bombs actually succeeded in killing their targets.

Rich people don't open their own mail, it's that simple

High profile people like Obama and the Clintons probably get hundreds if not thousands of letters every day... a lot of it will be hate mail and death threats... they don't open any of that themselves, who has the time?  They have plenty of money to hire someone to open their mail, read it, and tell them if anything is worth looking at.

Kings have always employed food tasters to check for poison in their dinner before eating.  This is no different

For god sake folks, this could have been done by the Russians to try to strike fear and divide in the country. It seems like they're succeeding. As you have the right calling this an inside job and you have Democrats (like flying hellfish) saying that the entire Republican party supports this.

We're better than this folks, come on. If this is them (or someone else trying to divide the country) they're doing a good job.

I'll admit the timing is suspicious.  It is an October Surprise.  Realistically it could be anyone... to quote myself from earlier, "Republican vs Democrat is a silly game that rich people play to keep us fighting against each other instead of fighting them"

I didn't even know there was a term for this sort of news, thanks for that by the way!.

But yes, I do fully understand the whole rich people don't open their mail thing. You would just think whoever was sending this, if they were ACTUALLY TRYING TO SUCCEED, would do their research into that and it would foil their plan in their head. This person is either incompetent/dumb, or this was planned to create chaos. Who knows which one though.




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I didn't even know there was a term for this sort of news, thanks for that by the way!.

But yes, I do fully understand the whole rich people don't open their mail thing. You would just think whoever was sending this, if they were ACTUALLY TRYING TO SUCCEED, would do their research into that and it would foil their plan in their head. This person is either incompetent/dumb, or this was planned to create chaos. Who knows which one though.

There is no shortage of right-wing nut jobs who listen to people like Alex Jones, then shoot up a pizza shop because they think it is a secret child sex slave shop run by Hillary Clinton herself... seriously, this happened
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#Comet_Ping_Pong_shooting

Another right-winger ran into a bunch of protesters, killing 1 girl... after he watched a clip on Fox News promoting running over protesters with your car like the Muslims were doing
https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

There have also been 42 abortion clinic bombings since 1977, so right-wingers are not new to bombs:

Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States

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Excuse me. Remember Rep. Steve Scalise? What about Rand Paul getting his ribs broken? The ricin in the mail? There really are so many cases of unhinged leftists losing it or calling for violence, I don't want to spam up the thread with a huge list of examples. Hey you are concluding this MUST be some one on the right attacking the left, suddenly people who disagree with you can not make similar conclusions?

You can unbunch your panties. Make any conclusions you want and I'll laugh at them any chance I get, as I would with anyone who pretends to have "opinions" and "conclusions" and rejects basic facts.

For you to suggest that Trumps QUITE REASONABLE criticism of the press is equivalent to calling for violence is juvenile. You know who has been calling for violence over and over though? The Democrats and the left.

"Enemy of the people" is not reasonable criticism. Look at how media is treated by Trump rally participants if you're in any doubt as to what's going on here.

Please, don't impose your imaginary emotional states upon me. Yeah, laugh it up, because this is a hilarious topic. You know what I am using here that you lack completely? Critical thought. You believe the world is as it presents itself and the TV tells you so, so it must be true. You act like  "conspiracy theories" have never been proven true, and the media doesn't CONSTANTLY lie to us. There is nothing unreasonable about these conclusions.


Regarding your "enemy of the people quote, lets look at what he ACTUALLY said:

 "The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @CNN, @NBCNews and many more) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people," he wrote. "SICK!"

LOOK HOW THE MEDIA IS TREATED BY TRUMP? LOL what poor poor victims. They certainly don't deserve this! The media has been totally civil and never calls for violence or makes up lies about Trump. Nope... never.

As you can see he was specifically calling FAKE NEWS the enemy of the people, but of course the media, like with everything, has to take it out of context and sell it as the most extreme angle possible. Thanks for this public demonstration on your inability to even check the source material before making a claim, and just believing what the TV says. Also for the convenient example of what Trump was talking about when he made that statement.




Reading matters. I'm laughing at Tecshare's "conclusions" (more like conspiracy theories) as well as the ridiculous assertion that I'm somehow trying to prevent said "conclusions" from being made...

Again, a hilarious topic for you I am sure. Who said you were trying to prevent anything? As I predicted it is starting to come out that the devices were not even explosive, and this was all a hoax to elicit sympathy for these people.





As a democratic supporter, I feel as though I could be next personally, if a certain individual really wanted it so.

Get over yourself. You aren't important enough for anyone to attack with bombs. You wanna talk about being afraid as an individual? Put on a MAGA hat and walk around LA, Seattle, or NY and tell me how long it takes before you are assaulted.


Unlike these victims, I don't have a security detail. They're obviously getting a basic hit-list from some place.
Oh its obvious is it? Is it even obvious they were intended to actually be targets? Nope, the FBI and ATF will not even say the devices were explosive, only that they "appeared to be explosive". Watch this little detail get glossed over again and again and the story fades to black as people find new pictures of Kim Kardashian's butt.



Now, onto the actual perpetrator. The hit-list comes from Trump himself, as so far, only the individuals targeted have criticized them. The victims are all registered democrat voter, as far as I'm aware. There were political and cultural people victims.

It comes from Trump himself now directly does it? I mean really, what are you doing wasting your time here, you should be working at the FBI with those investigative skills to have figured this out so quickly with zero information related. You don't think it is at all coincidental that these people are largely irrelevant, EXCEPT for the fact that they are a perfect little sample summary of people Trump has criticized?



A few questions; was this a state-sanctioned act? is America under attack?
Sadly, without evidence, we can't even rule this out. It's obviously an internal attack, and I'm sure our borders are safe. I don't feel as though it'd be a nation-state level of events, even though Putin does hate some of these individuals (including Clinton).

Is it really obvious though, or are you just drawing conclusions that fit your narrative and filling in the gaps as you go? Yes, our borders are TOTALLY safe xD right. Now you are making assumptions about who Putin hates (based on nothing but your confirmation bias ofc).


I don't really follow right wing extremist (eg. Alex Jones) but I know of it. I know there was calling of violence, anger, hate, pretty much everything that breeds political incitement.

He never called for violence. This is again just another example of parroting what you see on TV without checking any source material. If you think I am wrong, please do find me an unedited, un-cropped, quote of his calls for violence on video. However I know you can't because it doesn't exist.



The targets are democrats that haven't been mentioned in months by moderate left media....I'm not sure about the moderate left or right to be honest. I think they're mostly keeping their heads down and staying out of it. I'd like to rule those people out.

Yep, quite interesting so much supposed rage would be focused on largely irrelevant people isn't it?


Now, looking at the evidence, we can probably assume the individual was a right-wing extremist with mental issues. A meth-head with a stolen laptop searches internet bomb and prints off a couple labels, drops them off at random sections, and them damned evil doers will be dead.

Oh can you? Can you assume? A meth head trying to build a bomb is only going to have one result, horrible catastrophic failure. If you think it is THAT easy to build mail bombs then you should go back to watching 24 or something.


Anyway, until the FBI releases more details, I'm making the assumption it's some rural meth addicted right wing extremist executing his wild aggressive fantasies without regard to reality. My assumption could be wrong pretty quickly if all of a sudden political allies to Trump were targeted next, not individuals that he has attacked.

Yeah, because this meth head you have in your imaginations, he is smart enough to coordinate a national level organized attack without being immediately caught, but not smart enough to know that these people don't even open their own mail. Yeah. Ok. This is an extremely odd and skilled meth head you have here.







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It seems certain users are entirely blind to reality. If you can't even piece together the victims of attacks or notice calls of violence from certain individuals, you're gonna have a rough time in the real world.

Pretty bad when a single individual can literally call for violence, but no one holds that individual accountable.

Another right-winger ran into a bunch of protesters, killing 1 girl... after he watched a clip on Fox News promoting running over protesters with your car like the Muslims were doing
https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

See, at points like this, I think we should hold those accountable for inciting violence. Do you think, without this news story, that an individual would do the same?
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And the sweeping it under the rug begins...

"Some Suspected Mail Bombs Were Not Capable of Exploding, Others Yet to Be Analyzed, Officials Say"
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Mail-Bombs-Biden-De-Niro-Clinton-FBI-Obama-Florida-New-York-City-Delaware-Washington-Investigation-498562021.html?

Notice not one official statement positively confirming actual explosives, only lots of liberties by the author as well as "sources" who remain unnamed.






It seems certain users are entirely blind to reality. If you can't even piece together the victims of attacks or notice calls of violence from certain individuals, you're gonna have a rough time in the real world.

Pretty bad when a single individual can literally call for violence, but no one holds that individual accountable.

Another right-winger ran into a bunch of protesters, killing 1 girl... after he watched a clip on Fox News promoting running over protesters with your car like the Muslims were doing
https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/media/daily-caller-fox-news-video-car-crashing-liberal-protesters/index.html

See, at points like this, I think we should hold those accountable for inciting violence. Do you think, without this news story, that an individual would do the same?


Do you have an actual rebuke or just moral grandstanding and a series of character attacks ?


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who is playing with the top figures head now ? because to me i see it as another game or conspiracy to be able to get the better part of the country audience, distract and perform the real deal!! so for me am not really focused on what was sent but why was such a display done when its sure to get public awareness!! my Question remains what is the next play card?

The individual has gotten the first result
next!! should be what every security agencies should be anticipating

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who is playing with the top figures head now ? because to me i see it as another game or conspiracy to be able to get the better part of the country audience, distract and perform the real deal!! so for me am not really focused on what was sent but why was such a display done when its sure to get public awareness!! my Question remains what is the next play card?

The individual has gotten the first result
next!! should be what every security agencies should be anticipating

You make a very good point. In the security field this kind of behavior could be characterized as "probing" or eliciting a false alarm. It usually serves 2 main functions. To desensitize the targets/security forces for an actual attack in the hope that they will treat it carelessly next time, and to observe the response of the security forces to the act. Again the narrative is not yet clear, but this could be some type of probing here. That would suggest that there are bigger things to come.


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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

I can't wait to find out. Then we will see if the old saying is true. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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who is playing with the top figures head now ? because to me i see it as another game or conspiracy to be able to get the better part of the country audience, distract and perform the real deal!! so for me am not really focused on what was sent but why was such a display done when its sure to get public awareness!! my Question remains what is the next play card?

The individual has gotten the first result
next!! should be what every security agencies should be anticipating

You make a very good point. In the security field this kind of behavior could be characterized as "probing" or eliciting a false alarm. It usually serves 2 main functions. To desensitize the targets/security forces for an actual attack in the hope that they will treat it carelessly next time, and to observe the response of the security forces to the act. Again the narrative is not yet clear, but this could be some type of probing here. That would suggest that there are bigger things to come.

They found 2 more packages today.

With 12 devices intact and at Quantico there is a treasure trove of evidence for the FBI to asses.  Electrical tape is a fucking magnet for DNA lol.  

By mailing these things and the devices not going off there is going to be soooooo much evidence that they are going to catch this guy/s.

When they do catch him/them they will face 30 years in prison for each package sent if convicted.  IOW when they get these nut jobs and convict them they will spend the rest of their lives in jail.

Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

Sauce??

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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

Sauce??
https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-arrested-in-florida-in-connection-with-suspicious-packages-sent-to-democrats

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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

No we won't, unless of course it supports the mainstream narrative. If it is anything else it will be buried like Las Vegas.


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I don't understand they say they arrested someone but then later in the article say they have 24 teams looking for the culprit?

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I don't understand they say they arrested someone but then later in the article say they have 24 teams looking for the culprit?

I think it is safe to assume, given the scale of this event, it is likely there are multiple suspects.


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October 26, 2018, 03:39:24 PM
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I don't understand they say they arrested someone but then later in the article say they have 24 teams looking for the culprit?
That is probably because they edited the article in a hurry to report on the news. This has been reported by multiple major news organizations.

Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

No we won't, unless of course it supports the mainstream narrative. If it is anything else it will be buried like Las Vegas.
I am not sure about this. There is very little information available in regards to the Vegas shooting and there are more than one MSM organization with compeating ideology.

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I don't understand they say they arrested someone but then later in the article say they have 24 teams looking for the culprit?
That is probably because they edited the article in a hurry to report on the news. This has been reported by multiple major news organizations.

Ya everyone is picking it up and reporting on it now, thanks.

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October 26, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
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Ahahaha, the maga bomber was caught Wink

Right wing extremist -- wait guys, wait until he's declared guilty before calling him a criminal.


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....

Christ, the guy's car shows he was the epitome of metal security:




Well, that's definitely a Likely Suspect!

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So there was no devious Democratic plot to subvert the midterms?

Let me guess, mentally ill individual, harmless joke with some metal parts and wires, definitely not domestic terrorism.

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A law enforcement source told Fox News that the suspect is a white male in his 50s, a former New Yorker, who lives in Aventura, Florida, who had prior arrests for terroristic threats. Several of the packages went through a U.S. postal facility in Opa-locka, which is less than 10 miles from Aventura.

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A law enforcement official identified the suspect as Cesar Sayoc, 56, of Aventura, Fla. The official said Mr. Sayoc had a criminal history and ties to the New York area.

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So there was no devious Democratic plot to subvert the midterms?

Let me guess, mentally ill individual, harmless joke with some metal parts and wires, definitely not domestic terrorism.

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A law enforcement source told Fox News that the suspect is a white male in his 50s, a former New Yorker, who lives in Aventura, Florida, who had prior arrests for terroristic threats. Several of the packages went through a U.S. postal facility in Opa-locka, which is less than 10 miles from Aventura.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-arrested-in-florida-in-connection-with-suspicious-packages-sent-to-democrats

No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! 


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I wonder if those conspiracy nuts are going to apologize for their attacks of "left-wing" individuals. Claiming it's a "false flag operation by the left" instead of accepting the reality of the situation.

I'm absolutely amazed we didn't see the fake news here that was circulating the internet yesterday.

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No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!  

He definitely isn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a criminal and a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/26/pipe-bombs-latest-live-news-updates-arrest-florida

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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

No we won't, unless of course it supports the mainstream narrative. If it is anything else it will be buried like Las Vegas.
I am not sure about this. There is very little information available in regards to the Vegas shooting and there are more than one MSM organization with compeating ideology.

Like I said... buried. The Vegas shooter was linked with not only ISIS, but ANTIFA.


No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! 

He definitely wasn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

I said the results helped Democrats, not that this man purposely helped them. I also clearly explained how this benefits them, and does not at all benefit conservatives, of which this man supposedly is.


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No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!  

He definitely isn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

Did you see his ride?  It was fucking pimped out to the max!  Big surprise a stupid right wing crazy, I wonder if he early voted in the mid terms for "Trump" already LOL!

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No, of course not! This certainly doesn't turn every conservative into a potential suspect or elicit sympathy for the left casting them as victims as their own REAL violence is increasingly exposed, so very conveniently before mid terms. This doesn't serve the left AT ALL!

I guess this guy was smart enough to carry out a nationwide coordinated attack, all without blowing himself or anyone else up, but he is not smart enough to know that none of these people open their own mail, or that attacking Democrats just before midterms would have a contradictory affect to the ideology he supposedly holds.

It all makes perfect sense! He would have got away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!  

He definitely isn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

Did you see his ride?  It was fucking pimped out to the max!  Big surprise a stupid right wing crazy, I wonder if he early voted in the mid terms for "Trump" already LOL!

Can't wait for the alex jones crowd to refute the DNA evidence that is 100% coming LOL.

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I said the results helped Democrats, not that this man purposely helped them. I also clearly explained how this benefits them, and does not at all benefit conservatives, of which this man supposedly is.

Still can't let go of your cockamamie plot? The man is a deluded conspiracy theorist, much like yourself and the cast of Fox News, except he was dumb enough to act on it. The list of addressees is a dead giveaway:

Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way?

Since then more packages have been found - addressed to Robert de Niro, Joe Biden, Corey Booker... the list sounds like it was taken from Sean Hanity's or Rush Limbaugh's show or Trump's rallies.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people think life is like movie scripts. The world is not as it presents itself. After a while, the media saturates your brain to the point that scripts seem more real than reality does. Nothing in life is ever this clearly spelled out from A to Z, especially in politics. This is a hand crafted tale designed to serve a specific purpose.

It never ceases to amaze me how tenuous the grasp of reality and facts is among some seemingly otherwise smart people when it comes to challenging their political or religious beliefs. Give it up. It's over. Find the next bogeyman. I suggest THE CARAVAN.

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Authorities have made an arrest in relation to this.

We will probably find out his political affiliations soon and potentially his motives.

No we won't, unless of course it supports the mainstream narrative. If it is anything else it will be buried like Las Vegas.
I am not sure about this. There is very little information available in regards to the Vegas shooting and there are more than one MSM organization with compeating ideology.

Like I said... buried. The Vegas shooter was linked with not only ISIS, but ANTIFA.

This is quite off-topic, but the Vegas shooter was linked to gambling and real estate. Pretty sure he was Russian linked too.

Not ISIS or ANTIFA you fake news spreading piece of shit Wink

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Holy cow his TECSHARE guy is so desperate for his convictions.
We have the expression down here "to pee in the face" which means even when you're out of logical, convincing, believable arguments, you continue to talk nonsense simply because you have to answer something no matter what. And you don't care how you look from the outside and what people might think about you. As an example, see any statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia on Syria.

Anyway, he really deserves respect.
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Christ that's so sad it's almost funny. Looks like Alex Jones got into his head.

Other angle;


You can't make this shit up.

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I said the results helped Democrats, not that this man purposely helped them. I also clearly explained how this benefits them, and does not at all benefit conservatives, of which this man supposedly is.

Still can't let go of your cockamamie plot? The man is a deluded conspiracy theorist, much like yourself and the cast of Fox News, except he was dumb enough to act on it. The list of addressees is a dead giveaway:

Most of the recipients are targets of right-wing rhetoric but largely irrelevant to Democrats. No sane person on the left gives a shit about Wasserman-Shultz or Holder or even Clinton so why would they set up such a lame conspiracy to send fake bombs to some has-beens who are not part of midterms in any way?

Since then more packages have been found - addressed to Robert de Niro, Joe Biden, Corey Booker... the list sounds like it was taken from Sean Hanity's or Rush Limbaugh's show or Trump's rallies.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people think life is like movie scripts. The world is not as it presents itself. After a while, the media saturates your brain to the point that scripts seem more real than reality does. Nothing in life is ever this clearly spelled out from A to Z, especially in politics. This is a hand crafted tale designed to serve a specific purpose.

It never ceases to amaze me how tenuous the grasp of reality and facts is among some seemingly otherwise smart people when it comes to challenging their political or religious beliefs. Give it up. It's over. Find the next bogeyman. I suggest THE CARAVAN.

Why? Because you berate me and attack my character? So far none of you have bothered to even attempt to refute any of the points I made, you simply just tell me what you believe, what some one told you, or what you saw on TV. This is not a debate is is a very transparent attempt to shame people from having dissenting views, much like this whole bombing hoax to begin with.


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There's a certain individual who pretends he's a victim, when in reality;



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How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.

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He definitely isn't smart. Sending a package without getting caught is pretty much impossible, particularly for someone already known to the authorities. He seems to be a registered Republican though and has a history of being a criminal and a conspiracy nutjob.

Why would he help Democrats?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/oct/26/pipe-bombs-latest-live-news-updates-arrest-florida

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Suspect Cesar Sayoc is a registered Republican with an extensive criminal history who appears to have owned dry cleaning and catering businesses, NBC News reported, citing public records.

I am not surprised he is not smart. To me his idol doesn't seem very smart either. I am literally shocked every time he opens his mouth. I can't believe he is born American.
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Why? Because you berate me and attack my character? So far none of you have bothered to even attempt to refute any of the points I made, you simply just tell me what you believe, what some one told you, or what you saw on TV. This is not a debate is is a very transparent attempt to shame people from having dissenting views, much like this whole bombing hoax to begin with.

You can have any views you want and I can laugh at your views because I find them utterly ridiculous, I think we've been there before once or twice. I don't give a shit about you personally or your character, or whether you have one.

The fact is, the perp is a conspiracy nutjob (see van pictures above). You're insisting this is a plot. What is there to refute? You're just making shit up. Provide some evidence that what you're saying has any basis and then we can discuss that.

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How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.



The president is not responsible for this wackos actions, however he is responsible IMO for embracing and encouraging an environment which would give a mentally unstable person the idea that what he was doing was wanted and helpful to America.

Paraphrasing from Les Mis:  The real problem is not the criminal that takes advantage of the darkness but the autocrat who creates the darkness in which the criminal thrives!

Trump is the problem.

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There's a certain individual who pretends he's a victim, when in reality;

How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.

That is quite an interesting projection considering this whole time I was pointing out the whole point of this was the cast the left as victims to elicit sympathy right before midterms. Also a lot of them have prosecutions coming. They are losing power and are desperate.

If that is your argument, who is responsible for inciting the shooting at the Republican baseball game a while back where Steve Scalise was shot? What about the people who incited a man to beat Rand Paul so badly he had to be hospitalized? Why is the left not responsible for their own rhetoric in the same way you are claiming the right should be?


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Trump is the problem.

Weekend's tweetstorm is going to be glorious. Trump will do his best to poison the jury pool for Mr. Sayoc.

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There's a certain individual who pretends he's a victim, when in reality;

How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.

That is quite an interesting projection considering this whole time I was pointing out the whole point of this was the cast the left as victims to elicit sympathy right before midterms. Also a lot of them have prosecutions coming. They are losing power and are desperate.

If that is your argument, who is responsible for inciting the shooting at the Republican baseball game a while back where Steve Scalise was shot? What about the people who incited a man to beat Rand Paul so badly he had to be hospitalized? Why is the left not responsible for their own rhetoric in the same way you are claiming the right should be?

You know the answer. You know the way the left thinks.

It's because, SHUT UP.
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How about we start talking about the guy that incited the right? Trump's a symptom of the propaganda machine, but the buck does stop with the President, in my opinion.



The president is not responsible for this wackos actions, however he is responsible IMO for embracing and encouraging an environment which would give a mentally unstable person the idea that what he was doing was wanted and helpful to America.

Paraphrasing from Les Mis:  The real problem is not the criminal that takes advantage of the darkness but the autocrat who creates the darkness in which the criminal thrives!

Trump is the problem.

Indeed. I remember clearly when Trump said "2nd amendment people" could potentially harm H. Clinton.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html
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There are extremists on both side of this issue.  Violence has no place in politics, and politicizing this issue says more about you than it does about those you're arguing with.

We are all Americans, we need to come together and condemn this behavior.  The president has said some things he should not have, and so have some of the people who were targeted with packages.  Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. 
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Violence has no place in politics, and politicizing this issue says more about you than it does about those you're arguing with.

Seems about right. I'm pretty sure there'd be massive calls of "the violent left" it was a left-wing extremist.

It's hypocrisies like this that makes is hard to take conservatives seriously;

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I still don't believe it ..I will believe it when the guy is locked up and everyone can see he as been in jail for 3 years at least..

I would like to see him in a interview and see what he as got to say about the whole situation ..

Remember the church for black people getting fire bombed it said vote trump on the wall   well that was a black dem voter that done it..

Remember 9/11 well that was your political elite for monies..

Remember to remember the fact your political elite are scumbags  FACT..

To mr Trumps  don't trust no one not even your FBI top brass ..Oh we are all legit my butt hole Cheesy.

Yes you could have the real pretend bomber   a bomb expert said on your news channels  that the bombs were badly made and wouldn't do anything SO blame your CNN
FOX  and the likes for putting these stories up..

We the average joe have nothing to do with this it's all the lies and murder you have done in the past and maybe still some now..
But if you done your jobs in the first place then no one would be accusing you FBI for being RAT LIARS..

The little boy who cried wolf never ever gets believed again..So it's up to you public services to act in a proper manner..

9/11 was an inside JOB   100%  and 98% of the world knows this  SO  you got some explaining to do before anyone believes you lot..

And BLAME YOURSELF      FBI CIA   for all this   the public doesn't believe us shit..

You have Trump haters battling each other with trump supporters   and you the media spread all this CCN  was all to blame  because they refused to let the elected president
do his job..

If you CNN would of just said oh well may be next time and got on with your lives and let the president do his job  YOU never  you said we are not having him as my president..  SO YOU    CNN   was all to blame  100% FACT..

Remember  it's the ones that don't like trump that stir up the trouble because they cannot except the loss..

Come on if you cannot except the loss      it's you who is causing the trouble..
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The Mystery of the #MagaBomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCREg72Uq0


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The Mystery of the #MagaBomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCREg72Uq0

The suspect has been arrested. Try to keep up. Do you have at least an updated conspiracy theory?

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The Mystery of the #MagaBomber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCREg72Uq0

The suspect has been arrested. Try to keep up. Do you have at least an updated conspiracy theory?

I see, because it was filmed last night all of his arguments are automatically invalid. Good point.


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Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.

If this act of terror outrages you, then you probably weren't going to vote for 45 anyway  Wink most folks have already picked a side. This is either freaking you the fuck out, or you are absolutely loving this. And the partisanship from all sides just makes everyone double down. This won't fix itself.

And going by Breitbart comments, half of the board still thinks this is all a Soros funded false flag. Like the caravan  Grin


Dammit, when did we get so damned stupid? I cant denounce my fellow countrymen for their beliefs, we are all entitled to them.

BUT DAMMIT. WAKE UP.
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Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.
What about the rhetoric by the likes of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and others? Sometimes explicitly calling for violence and in others implicitly calling for violence. How do you feel about liberal Mayors ordering police to stand down for political purposes, resulting in danger to many innocent lives? What about either condoning or ignoring violence when it happens?

All that is okay, right? The double standard of the left is sickening and removes their credibility. Frankly many on the left with these double standard are outright bad people.

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Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.
What about the rhetoric by the likes of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and others? Sometimes explicitly calling for violence and in others implicitly calling for violence. How do you feel about liberal Mayors ordering police to stand down for political purposes, resulting in danger to many innocent lives? What about either condoning or ignoring violence when it happens?

All that is okay, right? The double standard of the left is sickening and removes their credibility. Frankly many on the left with these double standard are outright bad people.

what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about

What about not sending bombs to them and not blaming them for getting bombs in the mail. That would be a good start.

If any of those people actually called for violence (tenuous assertion at best) then they deserve to be criticized. Just as Trump deserves to be criticized for his incessant villainization of anyone who doesn't praise him.

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Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.
What about the rhetoric by the likes of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and others? Sometimes explicitly calling for violence and in others implicitly calling for violence. How do you feel about liberal Mayors ordering police to stand down for political purposes, resulting in danger to many innocent lives? What about either condoning or ignoring violence when it happens?

All that is okay, right? The double standard of the left is sickening and removes their credibility. Frankly many on the left with these double standard are outright bad people.

But none of these people are the POTUS.
I would hope that the highest office in our country was held to a higher regard. I don't like Trump, but he is the president and I respect the office and consequently the man. Americans should have a role model in the POTUS, as he is the literal representation of our nation on a global stage. Is this behavior acceptable to you, sincerely?

And finally, if it's enough to criticize on the other side, why condone the behavior from your own?

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Tbh, I don't think this matters much politically, despite all the hot air. This might swing a few conservative moderates and undecideds, but Trump's base is Trump's base. They do not perceive the rhetorical environment the President has fostered, and don't understand the constant attacks on Trump from liberal media. So any political coin gained is useless to spend.
What about the rhetoric by the likes of Maxine Waters, Corey Booker, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder and others? Sometimes explicitly calling for violence and in others implicitly calling for violence. How do you feel about liberal Mayors ordering police to stand down for political purposes, resulting in danger to many innocent lives? What about either condoning or ignoring violence when it happens?

All that is okay, right? The double standard of the left is sickening and removes their credibility. Frankly many on the left with these double standard are outright bad people.

what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about what about

What about not sending bombs to them and not blaming them for getting bombs in the mail. That would be a good start.

If any of those people actually called for violence (tenuous assertion at best) then they deserve to be criticized. Just as Trump deserves to be criticized for his incessant villainization of anyone who doesn't praise him.

Tell me, when did Trump call for violence? You talk about rhetoric, but it was all there before Trump got into office, except hes not a pansy and fought back against those attacking him. He didn't foster this environment, it was IMPOSED upon him, and anyone else who supports him in public. Trump supporters have been getting attacked since before 2016, now the left is crying about the hostile environment after two years of nonstop violence against conservatives any time they organize in groups, or even alone. What about Scalise? Rand Paul? ANTIFA? Tell me more about how the left is peaceful and innocent and Trump started this.

If the right is responsible for unhinged people on the right then the left has A SHITLOAD of unhinged people being violent over the past 2 years to account for.


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Tell me, when did Trump call for violence?

Let me google that for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+did+Trump+call+for+violence%3F

All the Times Trump Has Called for Violence at His Rallies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIs2L2nUL-0

Quote from: Donald Trump
Knock the crap out of him
I'd like to punch him in the face
I woulda been boom boom boom, beat the crap outta him
I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself, or if other people will
Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing
If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of him
I'd like to punch him in the face
Try not to hurt him, if you do I'll defend you in court
In the good old days this doesn't happen, because they used to treat them very very rough... we've become weak
And you know what?  The audience swung back, and I thought it was very very appropriate
Nobody wants to hurt each other anymore
I've instructed my people to look into it (referring to paying the legal fees of of someone who assaulted a protester)
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This is ridiculous.  Political rhetoric is not likely to die anytime soon, but attempting to link the words of a politician to the acts of a mad man is mad in itself.  No body attempted to blame Bernie Sanders for the acts of James Hodgkinson.  The media is not helping the situation.  They continue to blame the president.  A continuation of this hyperbolic rhetoric is likely to incite yet more violence.


613 incidents of Democrats being violent, or calling for violence

Video archive of Violence Against Trump Supporters

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October 27, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
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Tell me, when did Trump call for violence?
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Not out of context at all...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPABV-UJvk



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October 27, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
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This is ridiculous.  Political rhetoric is not likely to die anytime soon, but attempting to link the words of a politician to the acts of a mad man is mad in itself.  No body attempted to blame Bernie Sanders for the acts of James Hodgkinson.  The media is not helping the situation.  They continue to blame the president.  A continuation of this hyperbolic rhetoric is likely to incite yet more violence.

Did Bernie say violent things? (not trying to be a smartass here - I'm genuinely not sure, haven't heard the man since ~2016 I think and he was fiery but not violent as I recall)

Trump likes to be portrayed as a tough guy. He says a lot of stupid shit that would not be acceptable in a polite company. There is way to escape that, if he's not on traditional media then he's on Twitter making shit up about rapists and terrorists invading the country and he has a list of perceived enemies whom he repeatedly attacks on a personal level. Rhetoric matters a lot when it comes from such a position of power.

He could stop at any time if he doesn't like the optics of it. The bar is set very very low for him. Look how everyone media is fawning when he reads a few sentences off a teleprompter. But he doesn't want that.

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October 27, 2018, 05:42:17 PM
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Did Bernie say violent things? (not trying to be a smartass here - I'm genuinely not sure, haven't heard the man since ~2016 I think and he was fiery but not violent as I recall)

Trump likes to be portrayed as a tough guy. He says a lot of stupid shit that would not be acceptable in a polite company. There is way to escape that, if he's not on traditional media then he's on Twitter making shit up about rapists and terrorists invading the country and he has a list of perceived enemies whom he repeatedly attacks on a personal level. Rhetoric matters a lot when it comes from such a position of power.

He could stop at any time if he doesn't like the optics of it. The bar is set very very low for him. Look how everyone media is fawning when he reads a few sentences off a teleprompter. But he doesn't want that.

In polite company, what are you a Victorian housemaid? People voted for him because he says things that PC culture forbids, things that resonate with the majority of people. Part of that is not kissing everyone's ass. Good leaders aren't fucking pansys, they are often forceful and say things like they are, even if some people might be upset by that reality. What exactly is he making up, please tell me. Your little out of context snippits don't cut it. Trump and his supporters have been nonstop targets since 2016 over and over again by unhinged leftists, Democrats have been openly calling for harassment and incivility, over the course of years... but yep all Trump's fault cause he says things you think are naughty.

If you say something to some one and they freak out and physically attack you for it, is it their fault for attacking you or your fault for upsetting them? I would love to hear your answer.


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October 27, 2018, 06:21:48 PM
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If you say something to some one and they freak out and physically attack you for it, is it their fault for attacking you or your fault for upsetting them? I would love to hear your answer.

You seem to be confused. Trump isn't being attacked physically, he's being rightfully ridiculed for saying stupid shit. If someone attacks him physically or sends a bomb to him that would not be ok.

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October 27, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
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If you say something to some one and they freak out and physically attack you for it, is it their fault for attacking you or your fault for upsetting them? I would love to hear your answer.

You seem to be confused. Trump isn't being attacked physically, he's being rightfully ridiculed for saying stupid shit. If someone attacks him physically or sends a bomb to him that would not be ok.


Trump has made him self an ICON with lots of enemies who just want to see him burn!! but i feel there strategy never seems to get to the man..
sometimes I don't know if to like or dislike trump, I feel the man got is style and not all can love you.

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October 27, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
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If you say something to some one and they freak out and physically attack you for it, is it their fault for attacking you or your fault for upsetting them? I would love to hear your answer.

You seem to be confused. Trump isn't being attacked physically, he's being rightfully ridiculed for saying stupid shit. If someone attacks him physically or sends a bomb to him that would not be ok.


Instead of assuming who is who in this hypothetical, maybe answer the question.


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