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September 17, 2019, 07:30:15 PM
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If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

If the minority says "no," and the government says "yes," what is the minority? Are you saying the minority is not part of society?

True proper government is to let everyone make their own decisions. And if their decisions are hurting someone else, prove it.

Stupid government and medical won't even prove that vaccines are safe.

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September 18, 2019, 07:08:27 AM
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You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Parents have rights, but they are not the owners of the their children. And often they are not qualified to decide whether something is good or bad for their children, as unfortunately there are many bad parents around,  those children need protection. Like Jehova Witnesses , when they don't allow their children to accept blood even in life threatening situations.

Problem with letting every parent  decide about every type of vaccination is that if % of people that are vaccinated drop below Herd Immunity Threshold (you can read more about herd immunity and its importance here) we could see again contagious diseases like smallpox reappearing, or some other contagious diseases spreading massively, and those with weaker immunities due various illnesses could be endangered.

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September 18, 2019, 10:36:48 AM
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You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Parents have rights, but they are not the owners of the their children. And often they are not qualified to decide whether something is good or bad for their children, as unfortunately there are many bad parents around,  those children need protection. Like Jehova Witnesses , when they don't allow their children to accept blood even in life threatening situations.

Problem with letting every parent  decide about every type of vaccination is that if % of people that are vaccinated drop below Herd Immunity Threshold (you can read more about herd immunity and its importance here) we could see again contagious diseases like smallpox reappearing, or some other contagious diseases spreading massively, and those with weaker immunities due various illnesses could be endangered.
Parents gave birth which bring the child to this world which means they are the owners right?

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September 18, 2019, 10:38:51 AM
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Anyone who supports the injection of poisons and disease into healthy babies should be locked up. Anyone who does minimal research into the working of the human immune system will realise how evil this action is.

This isn't poison though. These are tried and tested vaccines that are meant to protect people in society. This isn't a conspiracy theory relating to people being injected with stuff that will be tracking them at all times.

This is the reason that people freak out because of statements like this -- statements that aren't true in the least, and ones that scare people into thinking that the vaccines are killing them.

Except that Kennedy tried to get government and the medical to provide the safety testing results required by law, and they don't have it. See my above post and watch the video https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056942.msg52456727#msg52456727. It is now admitted by the medical that they don't know for a fact that vaccines save more lives than they kill.


The establishment's (corp/gov's) argument goes and will go like this:  'OK, vaccines kill more people than they save, but without them society will have a mass outbreaks and many many more people die when the total tally is in.'  They count on people being ignorant of the mobidity charts showing massive declines before vaccines even hit the scene for most of these 'vaccine preventable diseases.'

Ironically it might be the case that there would be outbreaks if people stopped vaccinating BECAUSE of the vaccines and the inane policies.  The 'herd' has been greatly weakened and prone to problems that simply not exist before the 'scientists' tried to play God for fun and profit.

People should be allowed to take their chances and get their own families back to a level of fitness if they so choose.  People who drink the kool-aid and trust Big Pharma to cradle one's baby in their loving arms are welcome to make that choice even though it is pretty clearly reckless endangerment if not flat-out child sacrifice given what we know even now of the 'science' behind these things.


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September 18, 2019, 10:47:43 AM
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You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Parents have rights, but they are not the owners of the their children. And often they are not qualified to decide whether something is good or bad for their children, as unfortunately there are many bad parents around,  those children need protection. Like Jehova Witnesses , when they don't allow their children to accept blood even in life threatening situations.

Problem with letting every parent  decide about every type of vaccination is that if % of people that are vaccinated drop below Herd Immunity Threshold (you can read more about herd immunity and its importance here) we could see again contagious diseases like smallpox reappearing, or some other contagious diseases spreading massively, and those with weaker immunities due various illnesses could be endangered.
Parents gave birth which bring the child to this world which means they are the owners right?

Of course not, at least not in the civilized world.

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September 18, 2019, 10:57:25 AM
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If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.


In the U.S. 'the government and/or the system' means that multi-national corporations.  A recent academic study showed that there is actually a negative correlation between what 'the people' want and what 'the government' does.

The government "dances with them whut brung 'em."  That would be Merck and not you.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

You better hope you are not my neighbor because anyone who breaks into my house and puts a hand on my child gets a shotgun blast to the face.  I'm loaded with 00 buck and slugs.  You'd not survive.


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September 18, 2019, 01:17:22 PM
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You're all very funny.

So you all support the choice for parents to let their baby play on the highway I guess?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_measles#United_States
Vaccines have just saved millions of life, nothing important of course.

Vaccines are mandatory in most EU and I don't see how in hell anyone can support for the right of a parent to let their children unprotected.

Your passion for freedom is moronic. What's next? I want freedom for parents to chose to sexually abuse their children if they think it's the right way to educate them?

If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Parents have rights, but they are not the owners of the their children. And often they are not qualified to decide whether something is good or bad for their children, as unfortunately there are many bad parents around,  those children need protection. Like Jehova Witnesses , when they don't allow their children to accept blood even in life threatening situations.

Problem with letting every parent  decide about every type of vaccination is that if % of people that are vaccinated drop below Herd Immunity Threshold (you can read more about herd immunity and its importance here) we could see again contagious diseases like smallpox reappearing, or some other contagious diseases spreading massively, and those with weaker immunities due various illnesses could be endangered.
Parents gave birth which bring the child to this world which means they are the owners right?

Of course not, at least not in the civilized world.
Ohh I see,so parents need to spend their money to grow their children but they don't have any right over them.

This is the modern civilization of humanity?

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September 18, 2019, 01:58:07 PM
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You have to take government to court, and require that they prove that they had a hand in making your children. If they didn't, or if the hand they had is so miniscule that it almost doesn't exist, they don't really have ownership of your children, your property.

But do it ins such a way that you require the man or woman that actually has joint property rights to get on the stand prove his/her property rights. Government can't get on the stand and do this.

Remember one thing. If you have signed paperwork with government giving them control of your children, you might need to rescind your signature off any such docs first.

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September 20, 2019, 01:24:28 PM
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If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.


In the U.S. 'the government and/or the system' means that multi-national corporations.  A recent academic study showed that there is actually a negative correlation between what 'the people' want and what 'the government' does.

The government "dances with them whut brung 'em."  That would be Merck and not you.
Then the problem is not the law in question but the government.
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If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

You better hope you are not my neighbor because anyone who breaks into my house and puts a hand on my child gets a shotgun blast to the face.  I'm loaded with 00 buck and slugs.  You'd not survive.


That's why we have police. Cause if you kill me because I try to save your child who's playing on the roof you deserve to be taken to death row.

The fact that it is YOUR child doesn't mean you should be allowed to put him in danger.
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If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.


In the U.S. 'the government and/or the system' means that multi-national corporations.  A recent academic study showed that there is actually a negative correlation between what 'the people' want and what 'the government' does.

The government "dances with them whut brung 'em."  That would be Merck and not you.
Then the problem is not the law in question but the government.
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If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

You better hope you are not my neighbor because anyone who breaks into my house and puts a hand on my child gets a shotgun blast to the face.  I'm loaded with 00 buck and slugs.  You'd not survive.


That's why we have police. Cause if you kill me because I try to save your child who's playing on the roof you deserve to be taken to death row.

The fact that it is YOUR child doesn't mean you should be allowed to put him in danger.

You have to take government to court, and require that they prove that they had a hand in making your children. If they didn't, or if the hand they had is so miniscule that it almost doesn't exist, they don't really have ownership of your children, your property.


Considering a child as a property is such a... an American way of thinking.

That's a good thing we don't live on the same continent, I don't believe we can really understand each other one day.
Well if you consider a child as your property I guess government shouldn't tell you what to do with it.

It also means your ok with parents abusing sexually their children or killing them though. And you're fine with abortion I guess.

After all why should government meddle in what you want to do with your property?
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September 20, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
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All rights are based on property rights.


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September 20, 2019, 01:52:22 PM
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All rights are based on property rights.
Damn I think that's the most American thing I've ever read!!!!

I don't mean it with contempt. You clearly based your society on different values than the one I live in.

We would probably never be very happy in the other society Smiley

But following your reasonning I don't understand how you can be for making abortion illegal. If a child is your property and government shouldn't tell you what to do with your property, why should he forbid you from aborting it?
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September 20, 2019, 02:31:40 PM
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All rights are based on property rights.
Damn I think that's the most American thing I've ever read!!!!

I don't mean it with contempt. You clearly based your society on different values than the one I live in.

We would probably never be very happy in the other society Smiley

But following your reasonning I don't understand how you can be for making abortion illegal. If a child is your property and government shouldn't tell you what to do with your property, why should he forbid you from aborting it?

Property rights are the universal foundation that all less tangible rights are based upon and protected by. You seem to think that all rights being property rights means all we care about is possessions, but this is not true.  Law is code. Code only applies to real tangible and observable facts. Without that the legal system would be arbitrary. Regarding the rest of your comment I suggest you take it to a thread where it is on topic.


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September 20, 2019, 03:12:51 PM
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If parent don't have the rights then how the hell government have it?

Not government, society, which is represented by government.

If you don't feel government represents your society then you should change your governement and/or the system used to chose one. Not change the power of the government.


In the U.S. 'the government and/or the system' means that multi-national corporations.  A recent academic study showed that there is actually a negative correlation between what 'the people' want and what 'the government' does.

The government "dances with them whut brung 'em."  That would be Merck and not you.

Then the problem is not the law in question but the government.

What is that supposed to mean?

The law says (or will soon say) so shoot your kid full of whatever Merck wants, and that is because they pay the politicians who write the laws.  It's a problem with both the laws and the government.

It is already the case that 99% of the doctors don't even have the latitude to interfere with the revolving door bureaucrats who make the decisions about who gets what jabs for fear of losing their jobs.  And soon it will be 100% as mandated by law.

If I see my neighboor letting his baby play on a roof I'll kick his ass and take the baby back to the safety of the ground.

I don't have a "right" to do so. It's just the right thing to do.

You better hope you are not my neighbor because anyone who breaks into my house and puts a hand on my child gets a shotgun blast to the face.  I'm loaded with 00 buck and slugs.  You'd not survive.

That's why we have police. Cause if you kill me because I try to save your child who's playing on the roof you deserve to be taken to death row.

The fact that it is YOUR child doesn't mean you should be allowed to put him in danger.

We'll do trial by jury.  Some guy in Texas killed some perv with his bare hands got off scott free no long ago.  The do-gooder perv thought it was his duty in modern day America to teach the kid the joys of anal sex and daddy walked in on the lesson.  Probably this is why the Statists want daddy out of the picture so they can 'do ast thy whilt' with the young ones.

We all used to play on the roof when I was a kid.  We mainly got in trouble because if fucked up the roof.  In fact snowboarding is probably more dangerous than playing on the roof.  Why don't you trot on up to the ski slope and try to save the world by grabbing kids before they can hurt themselves?  Report back on how that went down will ya?

Or here's an idea:  just mind your own fuckin' business and let other's raise their families as they see fit.  As the longest running vaccine thread here shows, people like you who worship corp/gov and their mandates are the reason why half the kids (in America) are on prescription meds now.  Those kids who were kept away from the 70+ jabs tend to be as healthy as a horse.  I cannot count the number of times I've heard parents who wised up having older vaxxed kids who are sick all time time and younger unvaxxed ones who are smart and healthy.


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September 20, 2019, 08:50:28 PM
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It will not include babies though that are not fit to be vaccinated.

terrorism. act of war... end of personal sovereignty... end of life, start of war.

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[1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[9] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Those people using medical science to take over personal responsibility and choice are the opponents, what's fun is that they have chosen the side against God and Liberty... useful pawns...

What is amazing is that the 10th point, will permit to some by surrendering and letting their own babies by injected by who knows what to enter sainthood, however the struggle and self hate that will come from this highest treason to own offspring will be very hard to bear, maybe even more than fighting with the sword those wanting to inject your offspring.

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”
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“The argument for liberty is not an argument against organization, which is one of the most powerful tools human reason can employ, but an argument against all exclusive, privileged, monopolistic organization, against the use of coercion to prevent others from doing better.”
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“Our freedom of choice in a competitive society rests on the fact that, if one person refuses to satisfy our wishes, we can turn to another. But if we face a monopolist we are at his absolute mercy. And an authority directing the whole economic system of the country would be the most powerful monopolist conceivable…it would have complete power to decide what we are to be given and on what terms. It would not only decide what commodities and services were to be available and in what quantities; it would be able to direct their distributions between persons to any degree it liked.”
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“Freedom to order our own conduct in the sphere where material circumstances force a choice upon us, and responsibility for the arrangement of our own life according to our own conscience, is the air in which alone moral sense grows and in which moral values are daily recreated in the free decision of the individual. Responsibility, not to a superior, but to one's own conscience, the awareness of a duty not exacted by compulsion, the necessity to decide which of the things one values are to be sacrificed to others, and to bear the consequences of one's own decision, are the very essence of any morals which deserve the name.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


“Emergencies” have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded.”
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“It is not difficult to deprive the great majority of independent thought. But the minority who will retain an inclination to criticize must also be silenced....Public criticism or even expressions of doubt must be suppressed because they tend to weaken pubic support....When the doubt or fear expressed concerns not the success of a particular enterprise but of the whole social plan, it must be treated even more as sabotage.”
― Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

Another battle against liberty begins... and swording is the only to defend liberty, and that's sacrifice that those fighting for liberty do... they garden for the tree...

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[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


The Revelation is a little difficult to interpret right. Remember, Scripture has to back itself up withat least two, but maybe 3 witnesses.

"[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

So, where are the 2 or 3 Scripture witnesses that back this up?

Consider these two: 1 Kings 11:
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14The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, 15not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land.
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13The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, 14not including the revenues brought in by merchants and traders.

There is one other place in the Old Testament that speaks the 666, but it probably doesn't apply. However, Scripture has all kinds of meanings, so it might apply in some strange way. If you want to see it, look it up.


Now, what does Solomon receiving 666 talents of gold, yearly, for 18 years, from Africa, have to do with 666 in the revelation? Here's what, and how.

- The number of the beast is the number of man; they are all after the same thing.

- Your "[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" shows that the 666 is the thing that people and the beast think about (forehead) and work for (hand).

- The 666 as referenced by the above two other places in Scripture is gold... money/wealth.

Here is the answer straight forward: 1 Timothy 6:10:
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Often the "griefs" wind up being the grief of Hell if one looks for money more than he looks for the knowledge of God's salvation.

If you think that this is baloney, think about it good before you dismiss it.

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If you think that this is baloney, think about it good before you dismiss it.

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at least it's fully off topic ! for a quick reminder it's about FORCED INJECTION (eventually against the will of the parents), ie the state would take control of the body of the children, what ever their parents want.

it's a reduction of liberty.

please, now you are authorized to go back to your thinking ways...

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If you think that this is baloney, think about it good before you dismiss it.

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at least it's fully off topic ! for a quick reminder it's about FORCED INJECTION (eventually against the will of the parents), ie the state would take control of the body of the children, what ever their parents want.

it's a reduction of liberty.

please, now you are authorized to go back to your thinking ways...

It all has to do with money... 666.

Your body is your property. Your child is a product of your body (generally). The child is your property just luike your body, because it is a part of you. The country is based on property rights. Stand up for the rights of your property, your child, because if you lose the rights to your property, you lose the rights to yourself.

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I'd oppose it. I remember the dengue vaccine(a.k.a. dengvaxia) which caused children to be hospitalized and many dead(most are children) because of it.
there were a lot of rumors about it being still on the testing phase when it was distributed.

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I'd oppose it. I remember the dengue vaccine(a.k.a. dengvaxia) which caused children to be hospitalized and many dead(most are children) because of it.
there were a lot of rumors about it being still on the testing phase when it was distributed.


The wheels of justice grind slowly, but (allegedly) corrupt government officials are under indictment now for their role in the Dengvaxia fiasco.  Of course nobody at the multi-national (Sanofi-Pastuer in this case) are in any danger for paying off said local officials.

The problem with the 'shoot first, ask questions later' system of vaccine safety is that 10 million kids can be permanently damaged for life by one or two corrupt bureaucrat who probably won't even get into any real trouble for their malfeasance anyway.  They almost never do.

I do wonder if the 'vaccination program' is a Darwinian inspired expression of the 'survival of the fittest' paradigmn.  Those who blindly trust Big Brother to watch over them with no understanding of how He works don't pass on their genes as effectively.  If so, there is at least a tiny sliver of silver lining to this satanic child sacrifice program that 'they' have going on with vaccines.  And maybe the seeds of 'their' destruction though that would be a number of generations out.


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