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[bluefirecorp_]

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Marriage is pretty simple;

When two individuals wish to bond and spend their lives together, they create a formal agreement of their bond and combine their assets. The state is really only interested in the income implications of these individuals.

If either party wants to break the bond, they should have the ability to do so. Without this freedom, marriage is slavery.

Now, if we add in polygamy, the system becomes a lot more complex. I'm sure it's feasible to have a good polygamist relationship, but I'm not exactly sure how the state would track that agreement between all the consenting, adult individuals.

Jesus christ, can't even talk about marriage without getting posts removed. Damned radicals in the thread stating marriage is where the man owns the women. As soon as a moderate voice comes in; reported and deleted.

Fuck this forum for 'freedom of expression'; it's just right wing extremist with their nutty conspiracy theories and authoritarian ruling of society.

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[qwk]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

[bluefirecorp_]

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Once all speech has moved to privately owned platforms, having the right to free speech will be effectively useless.

I'll build my own platform, with blackjack and hookers!

[hilariousandco]

Maybe don't post in a six year old thread that was necrobumped by a brand new spam account?

[bluefirecorp_]

Maybe don't post in a six year old thread that was necrobumped by a brand new spam account?

Maybe implement a platform that locks old posts then? I'm pretty sure reddit implements a feature similar to this.


Just because a thread is old doesn't make it irrelevant to the conservation of communities, especially in a place like society and politics.

[suchmoon]

We need a child board for complaints about deleted posts.

Or perhaps a child board for bluefirecorp_ who can't seem to fit into adult intertubes.

Maybe implement a platform that locks old posts then? I'm pretty sure reddit implements a feature similar to this.

Why are you here and not on reddit then?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Maybe implement a platform that locks old posts then? I'm pretty sure reddit implements a feature similar to this.

That sounds like a reasonable solution when necrobumping isn't allowed, but I have no clue as to how the forum software works and I bet there's not an easy, automated way to do it.  

I'm sure when the new forum software comes along in 100 years, all these problems will be fixed.

Why are you here and not on reddit then?

I know your question was rhetorical, but man...if Reddit was all that was available I think I'd jump headfirst off the webbertubes and never discuss anything related to bitcoin again.  For all the problems bitcointalk has, at least it's not Reddit.

[bluefirecorp_]

We need a child board for complaints about deleted posts.

Or perhaps a child board for bluefirecorp_ who can't seem to fit into adult intertubes.

Maybe implement a platform that locks old posts then? I'm pretty sure reddit implements a feature similar to this.

Why are you here and not on reddit then?

Actually, that'd probably cut down on the spam; except there's like 6 posts per week whining about deleted posts. Better off creating one for ban appeals and account recovery.

Also, just because a forum or software implements a certain feature set doesn't make it an amazing, all-inclusive, best platform. Reddit has all sorts of problems.

Maybe implement a platform that locks old posts then? I'm pretty sure reddit implements a feature similar to this.

That sounds like a reasonable solution when necrobumping isn't allowed, but I have no clue as to how the forum software works and I bet there's not an easy, automated way to do it. 

I'm sure when the new forum software comes along in 100 years, all these problems will be fixed.

I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

[InvoKing]

I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

Hmm, is it that hard to take a look when the first post was posted? I am aware many people here just jump to the last post(+/-s) and don't bother to check the date but this is in the first place their fault and I reported them several times in the press section.

[bluefirecorp_]

I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

Hmm, is it that hard to take a look when the first post was posted? I am aware many people here just jump to the last post(+/-s) and don't bother to check the date but this is in the first place their fault and I reported them several times in the press section.

I saw it was from like 2014 or something, but wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things. Also, the forum isn't a live-only-thing, not just "guys, it's older than 10 min old, forget it!!!"

[InvoKing]

I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

Hmm, is it that hard to take a look when the first post was posted? I am aware many people here just jump to the last post(+/-s) and don't bother to check the date but this is in the first place their fault and I reported them several times in the press section.

I saw it was from like 2014 or something, but wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things. Also, the forum isn't a live-only-thing, not just "guys, it's older than 10 min old, forget it!!!"

Personally, I used to report every bumped topic older than 3 months. I don't see why should a discussion be made after such long period.
If an old topic contains genuine information and is very important to the community then it is ok. Other topics have to be used as a reference in a new topic (season 2 somehow).

[o_e_l_e_o]

Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

You are already met with the following warning when trying to necrobump a thread:

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

I don't think a blanket ban on necrobumps is appropriate. There are some threads, particularly in Technical Discussion and Technical Support, where users have encountered the same or very similar issues as outlined in old threads. Bumping these threads with new information or solutions is more appropriate than starting a whole new thread and having to rehash all the previous solutions again.

From mprep's Unofficial Rules thread:

Regarding necro posting, if the necro post is substantial (doesn't break the rule especially rule 1 and 2 (2014/07/21 version)), then it's OK.

The necro bump on that marriage thread was low value spam - I know because I reported it - and so deserved to be deleted. Unfortunately your post was likely collateral damage.

[friends1980]

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Personally, I used to report every bumped topic older than 3 months. I don't see why should a discussion be made after such long period.
If an old topic contains genuine information and is very important to the community then it is ok. Other topics have to be used as a reference in a new topic (season 2 somehow).

Well this is a difficult one. I think you really should look at the content and the quality of the new message. We don't want people to start a new thread about marriage, or Merit or Ripple or whatever, every other 3 months, do we? If they really can't resist pumping their Activity, I'd rather see them keep their irrelevant nonsense in the old topic instead of opening new ones.

[InvoKing]

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Personally, I used to report every bumped topic older than 3 months. I don't see why should a discussion be made after such long period.
If an old topic contains genuine information and is very important to the community then it is ok. Other topics have to be used as a reference in a new topic (season 2 somehow).

Well this is a difficult one. I think you really should look at the content and the quality of the new message. We don't want people to start a new thread about marriage, or Merit or Ripple or whatever, every other 3 months, do we? If they really can't resist pumping their Activity, I'd rather see them keep their irrelevant nonsense in the old topic instead of opening new ones.

I prefer to start a new spammy topic rather than spamming an old one. This way you can detect new spammers at least.
And what's wrong with starting a new marriage (topic) every so on? Some people want to discover new...experiences

[hilariousetc]

Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

You are already met with the following warning when trying to necrobump a thread:

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

The trouble is bots or spammers won't read it or listen to that warning then everyone else just piles in like flies around shit because another thread has appeared that they can post in. People should be able to see for themselves that the thread has been necrobumped pointlessly and to not post in it or report it though. Maybe we should make people fill in a captcha when they try necrobump threads and maybe that will stop some of the bots at least.

I don't think a blanket ban on necrobumps is appropriate. There are some threads, particularly in Technical Discussion and Technical Support, where users have encountered the same or very similar issues as outlined in old threads. Bumping these threads with new information or solutions is more appropriate than starting a whole new thread and having to rehash all the previous solutions again.

Agreed. There are sometimes when it's valid but most times it's just caused by a bot or sig spammer. Had two idiots yesterday bump a thread about April Fools just to post about how it's their 'favourite time of the year' or something like that (both were obvious alt accounts as well spamming up threads in off topic).

[o_e_l_e_o]

The trouble is bots or spammers won't read it or listen to that warning

I agree, but that wasn't the point I was making. I was pointing out the forum already has the ability to flag up when the most recent post is several months old - it's not lack of functionality that is allowing necrobumps as bluefirecorp_ suggested, but rather there are some cases in which they are appropriate. I should have made that clearer on my previous post. As we are all aware, spammers care not for reading rules and warnings.

[hilariousandco]

The trouble is bots or spammers won't read it or listen to that warning

I agree, but that wasn't the point I was making. I was pointing out the forum already has the ability to flag up when the most recent post is several months old - it's not lack of functionality that is allowing necrobumps as bluefirecorp_ suggested, but rather there are some cases in which they are appropriate. I should have made that clearer on my previous post. As we are all aware, spammers care not for reading rules and warnings.

The trouble is it's only show to the first user who bumps it and not those who think they're posting legitimately after.

[xfactor13]

I'd be willing to bet the javascript trash forum that we're supposedly migrating to won't allow that feature without months of changes. Pretty sure you could just add a query to the existing forum to check the age of the most recent post, and if it's greater than several months; disallow the post. SMF probably wouldn't be that hard to extend.

Hmm, is it that hard to take a look when the first post was posted? I am aware many people here just jump to the last post(+/-s) and don't bother to check the date but this is in the first place their fault and I reported them several times in the press section.

I saw it was from like 2014 or something, but wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things. Also, the forum isn't a live-only-thing, not just "guys, it's older than 10 min old, forget it!!!"

Personally, I used to report every bumped topic older than 3 months. I don't see why should a discussion be made after such long period.
If an old topic contains genuine information and is very important to the community then it is ok. Other topics have to be used as a reference in a new topic (season 2 somehow).

I think we really need to have a serious discussion on this one. Especially that we always pinpoint to the newbies to use search function.  If they just use the search function to look for the topic that they want and bump to an old post (several months ago and inactive already).  What do you think is the best way to approach it? Comment on the old thread and make the topic/discussion going or just make a new thread?

Though I would like to say that I always see comments from the high-ranked members criticizing the newbies that their topic of concern is already been discussed on the old posts and they are just seeking for merit.  I do not know, I really think that this is a critical issue or am I just overthinking it?

[InvoKing]

Though I would like to say that I always see comments from the high-ranked members criticizing the newbies that their topic of concern is already been discussed on the old posts and they are just seeking for merit.  I do not know, I really think that this is a critical issue or am I just overthinking it?

If the user (newbie or another rank member) find the response to his question in an old topic then his issue is solved and no need to bump the topic by thanking the OP imo.
If he didn't find the correct answer then better to simply start a new topic and mentioning that he followed the old topic steps and failed.
I don't see the point of bumping 95% of old topics in btctalk unless it contains valuable contents and i won't hesitate to bump it.

[Harlot]

I can't even consider it a problem of freedom of expression as you can freely say informal/rude words in a post without it being deleted, but it is really a matter of your post being worthless or not, you just described or defined what marriage and polygamy was and you are not even right with your definition with marriage, some marriages are arranged or agreed by their families which their kids are forcibly married whether they like it or not. Maybe add some more thought on what you are trying to say then your post might not be deleted this time.