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November 02, 2011, 07:46:55 PM
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Bitcoin gets its nodes from IP's connected on the IRC irc.lfnet.org...

so what would happen if the IRC were to go down?


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November 02, 2011, 07:58:29 PM
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A question for the experts at the Bitcoin Stack Exchange:

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/1292/bitcoin-client-irc-a-potential-network-weak-link

Short answer: it won't be a big problem, since IRC is only one way for the client to find peers.
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November 02, 2011, 08:07:23 PM
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Nothing as the link above me shows the client has multiple methods to find peers and more methods could be added to future versions of the client.

H IRC is a "quick and dirty" way to bootstrap the network (get it up and running fast) but there is no reason to continue to use it.  It opens up some potential vulnerabilities and there are other methods of finding peers.
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November 02, 2011, 10:43:58 PM
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no idea why this was moved to newbies...

Ok so theres multiple methods...

is there a way that a user could flood IRC and cause all the bitcoin clients to hang or worse?

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November 03, 2011, 10:02:23 AM
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There are other 8 ways, from the src code

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November 03, 2011, 01:09:01 PM
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I've asked the same question, don't worry.

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November 03, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
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is there a way that a user could flood IRC and cause all the bitcoin clients to hang or worse?

All?  No.  Some, maybe.  I don't use IRC at all, personally.  It's not necessary anymore, even for a fresh install.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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November 04, 2011, 06:52:30 PM
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I dont use the IRC the other methods are still just as reliable.

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November 04, 2011, 08:47:49 PM
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I didn't know bitcoin was based on irc, is it strong enough to survive without it?
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November 04, 2011, 08:57:16 PM
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I didn't know bitcoin was based on irc, is it strong enough to survive without it?

Bitcoin is not based upon irc, but there is a channel dedicated to announcing peer addresses so that a new client install can find peers in the network quickly and 'bootstrap' itself.  However, the current client uses several parrallel methods of doing this, so that it's not dependent upon the irc channel.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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November 06, 2011, 12:23:08 AM
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I know that in addition to IRC, it uses DNS. Are there any other main methods used (besides IRC and DNS)?

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November 06, 2011, 03:55:17 AM
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There is an internal fallback list, as well as a history list after the first connection.  Connected peers can also share the addresses of peers that it is aware of as well.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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November 06, 2011, 09:38:14 AM
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If IRC went down right now, would it negatively impact the Bitcoin economy and reduce prices?
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November 06, 2011, 10:18:42 AM
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If IRC went down right now, would it negatively impact the Bitcoin economy and reduce prices?

No. At the very most it could induce some connectivity problems, which isn't very likely, given that IRC is just one of many mechanisms for peer discovery.
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