Trump won't punish Saudi crown prince

[TECSHARE]

@Spendulus:  I meant to say that if some kind of war happens in the future over any issue.(not on the basis of this killing! sorry for the confusion) Saudi Arabia vs Western country(Christian) or Hindus/Jews. the reason I mentioned religion here because Saudi Arabia has a key to holy places "Mecca and Medina" All they have to do is Shout " Islam is in Danger" and I can bet my life on this when I say this, Muslims around the world go bonkers on this and significant amount of people will join them for this so-called Jihad.

Saudi Arabia will get its come comeuppance...

What will America do?

Create another monster? Like Rambo type more Osama Bin Laden. We all know how that road ends, don't we? America 2 Allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. You know what I am talking.

right now they are less of an enemy than others and can wait. Others are larger threats and it makes sense to cooperate with them (until it doesn't).

What other enemy?
ISIS ? I am sure you have a good idea about What ISIS is and who created the vacuum in the first place.

Iran ? Who overthrown their democratic gov and installed the Dictator? Even supporting him for almost 27 years just for oil and in the end, Americans surprised that Why they hate the USA. Please google if you have time "operation ajax"

They are going to be used then flipped on.

That's why no country likes American's Foreign policy except few (partners in crimes) and consider America a bigger threat to world peace.

I am well aware of all these operations and ulterior motives. What you don't understand is the US and Saudi Arabia are not monolithic organizations and there are competing organizations within them working toward different goals. The USA doesn't have a monopoly on corruption, and international criminal organizations do not give a shit about any nation state. The USA is in the process of cutting these groups out, this is what the domestic conflict here is about.

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[gegewojinnian18]

I am very curious, how does Trump punish a fellow party, are they not a group? Now there is Trump's good show, see if he has the courage to punish the Saudi royal family! Let us see the hegemonism of the United States.

[bluefirecorp_]

How the rest of the world sees Trump.

[Spendulus]

How the rest of the world sees Trump.

Interesting.

I don't see him bowing like Obama did.

[hipuzid]

https://edition[.]cnn[.]com/2018/11/20/politics/trump-saudi-arabia/index.html (remove brackets, doesn't let me post the link)

Apparently if you are a friend of theirs you can torture people especially if you're the rich one

Trump must feel like the crown prince was persecuted by evil journalists

Of course he wont,saudi  arabia is buying alot of weapons from United States,they wont do whats not in their interest.And afterall, why would US punish saudi prince?

[Spendulus]

@Spendulus:  I meant to say that if some kind of war happens in the future over any issue.(not on the basis of this killing! sorry for the confusion) Saudi Arabia vs Western country(Christian) or Hindus/Jews. the reason I mentioned religion here because Saudi Arabia has a key to holy places "Mecca and Medina" All they have to do is Shout " Islam is in Danger" and I can bet my life on this when I say this, Muslims around the world go bonkers on this and significant amount of people will join them for this so-called Jihad.

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Well, yah. Islam is a decentralized network with no definitive power structure. Any FATWA crap or similar assertion might well be picked up by some small percentage world wide.

Incidentally, I am an atheist but being such have a clear view of many religious concepts.

It is not logical or practical for a religion to view "places as holy."

[dogtana]

This is how some of the world sees Trump:

https://youtu.be/-6jK_Nzb9HQ

[JSRAW]

@Spendulus:  I meant to say that if some kind of war happens in the future over any issue.(not on the basis of this killing! sorry for the confusion) Saudi Arabia vs Western country(Christian) or Hindus/Jews. the reason I mentioned religion here because Saudi Arabia has a key to holy places "Mecca and Medina" All they have to do is Shout " Islam is in Danger" and I can bet my life on this when I say this, Muslims around the world go bonkers on this and significant amount of people will join them for this so-called Jihad.

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Well, yah. Islam is a decentralized network with no definitive power structure. Any FATWA crap or similar assertion might well be picked up by some small percentage world wide.

Incidentally, I am an atheist but being such have a clear view of many religious concepts.

It is not logical or practical for a religion to view "places as holy."

With due respect to your opinion but you are wrong when you used the words " decentralized " and "No definitive power structure" with Islam

Koran = is Centralized and according to Muslims its perfect, there is no space for any improvement not even any sort of discussion. because its word of supreme power Allah told by Mohammad ( he's considered, perfect man )

If by any chance some rational Muslims managed to bring Koran 2.0 version then its blasphemy. But would like to see Koran 2.0 in the future.

Allah = Everything revolves around only Allah and Allah wants complete submission and there is no cheat code in this process. That's why we don't see many ex Muslim publicly comes in the limelight. Even a good amount of ex Muslims do not tell their loved ones about their beliefs.

I agree with your FATWA Logic, but these days Fatwa is not as effective as it used to be.

I do not doubt your intelligence, but we shouldn't use Logical/practical words with Religion IMHO. and skipping "Holy place" point right now. will save it for another time.

Saudi Arabia will get its come comeuppance...

What will America do?

Create another monster? Like Rambo type more Osama Bin Laden. We all know how that road ends, don't we? America 2 Allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. You know what I am talking.

right now they are less of an enemy than others and can wait. Others are larger threats and it makes sense to cooperate with them (until it doesn't).

What other enemy?
ISIS ? I am sure you have a good idea about What ISIS is and who created the vacuum in the first place.

Iran ? Who overthrown their democratic gov and installed the Dictator? Even supporting him for almost 27 years just for oil and in the end, Americans surprised that Why they hate the USA. Please google if you have time "operation ajax"

They are going to be used then flipped on.

That's why no country likes American's Foreign policy except few (partners in crimes) and consider America a bigger threat to world peace.

I am well aware of all these operations and ulterior motives. What you don't understand is the US and Saudi Arabia are not monolithic organizations and there are competing organizations within them working toward different goals. The USA doesn't have a monopoly on corruption, and international criminal organizations do not give a shit about any nation state. The USA is in the process of cutting these groups out, this is what the domestic conflict here is about.

If you say so then maybe you are aware of this part of history, but the question is, did we learned any lesson from history? I am not well read person so I may be missing something here and you are free to educate me on this if you want but please keep in mind that I do not believe in conspiracy theory much.
And again please tell me what process you are talking about?

[Spendulus]

@Spendulus:  I meant to say that if some kind of war happens in the future over any issue.(not on the basis of this killing! sorry for the confusion) Saudi Arabia vs Western country(Christian) or Hindus/Jews. the reason I mentioned religion here because Saudi Arabia has a key to holy places "Mecca and Medina" All they have to do is Shout " Islam is in Danger" and I can bet my life on this when I say this, Muslims around the world go bonkers on this and significant amount of people will join them for this so-called Jihad.

...

Well, yah. Islam is a decentralized network with no definitive power structure. Any FATWA crap or similar assertion might well be picked up by some small percentage world wide.

Incidentally, I am an atheist but being such have a clear view of many religious concepts.

It is not logical or practical for a religion to view "places as holy."

With due respect to your opinion but you are wrong when you used the words " decentralized " and "No definitive power structure" with Islam

Koran = is Centralized and according to Muslims its perfect, there is no space for any improvement not even any sort of discussion. because its word of supreme power Allah told by Mohammad ( he's considered, perfect man )

If by any chance some rational Muslims managed to bring Koran 2.0 version then its blasphemy. But would like to see Koran 2.0 in the future.

Allah = Everything revolves around only Allah and Allah wants complete submission and there is no cheat code in this process. That's why we don't see many ex Muslim publicly comes in the limelight. Even a good amount of ex Muslims do not tell their loved ones about their beliefs.
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I understand all that, but the existence of a book is not the same as a centralized power structure. I also understand that some may wish to ARGUE that it is the same.

But in the real world it isn't. In the real world you have imperfect people such as Saudi and Iranian leaders dictating how and what the rules are that people follow and alleging those are the correct readings of the book.

[neocrypto90]

I think he will never punish him, and moreover, the prince will be more powerful in the future because he's a new approach to build peace in the middle east. Not considering Israel as an ennemy, as well as other gulf countries. Trump and Israel will never find a man like him, who defends their interests.

[Spendulus]

I think he will never punish him, and moreover, the prince will be more powerful in the future because he's a new approach to build peace in the middle east. Not considering Israel as an ennemy, as well as other gulf countries. Trump and Israel will never find a man like him, who defends their interests.

Some people do not like him though, or they would not be pushing this story so hard.

Same people that did nothing and did not care with the tens of thousands of atrocities of ISIS.

[elastiman]

U.S government would never touch or do anything that upsets the Saudi royalty because the Saudis own like a 15% of the U.S  Economy and Saudi Arabia it's full of U.S oil companies so why bother?

[darklus123]

I guess Trump is not as brave as he brags to be.

He really isn't, have you ever wonder why he is focusing too much in making walls towards mexican borders?

It is because he really hate mexican cartels that is why he will just have to protect his ass from the mexicans.

He even threatened Philippines current president which is a real asshole than he is and when trump realizes that one he offered friendly deals.

That will surely happens to saudi

[ggirishcica]

Trump is as dumb as a bag of rocks but what about the rest of the world, why the fuck are they not sanctioning MBS. 

Canada (PM Trudeau) for example said the exact same thing Trump did, "we have a 15 billion dollar light armour vehicle deal with Saudi Arabia so we have to be careful"

Lets at least be realistic Saudi Arabia can pretty much do what they want because the world hates Iran more, sells them arms and buys their oil!

I won't say anything about our Prime Minister, It's nice to think sometimes before talking..  and Yes, Saudi is very rich country because of oil, so it will be very tough for those leaders!

[Jet Cash]

The US "empire" is based on an old agreement with Saudi that oil deals have to be conducted in dollars. This enabled the dollar to become the world reserve currency. With pressure from China and Russia to use alternatives to the dollar, it's status is at risk. In order to protect its position, the US has increased its oil production, even thought costs for the US are so high that it has become uneconomic. They need to keep the price as high as possible, and I don't believe that it is a coincidence that the Saudis have reduced output by a similar amount to the US increase. Although Qatar only produces 2% of the OPEC total, their natural gas extraction is about a third, and their leaving OPEC is going to be another destabilising factor,

One never really knows what goes on behind the scenes in politics, but perhaps there is a link between the reduction in Saudi oil extraction, and the suppression of their human rights abuses.

[Spendulus]

Most of what has been said in this thread misses the essential realities of this "journalist."

This article pretty much gets it right.

https://spectator.org/what-i-learned-over-lunch-with-the-real-jamal-khashoggi/

[tvbcof]

Henry Kissinger and friends set up the 'petro-dollar' system to allow the USD to get off of gold convertibility, and Saudi-Arabia has been exceedingly important since then.  This is true.  The U.S. maintained a linage of Kings to keep the place under control.

A certain other country decided that it was high time to steal Saudi-Arabia for themselves.  Going forward this will allow their country to be a significant hub in the next monetary system when the USD petro-dollar is flushed.  The way to do this was to steal the chain of succession of the Saudi-Arabian monarchy.  That's basically what we saw with the Kushner/MBS love-fest.

Kushner is Chabad-Lubavitch.  His confusion about why 'the people' would have a problem with MBS having his adversaries butchered alive was probably genuine on Kushner's part.

The salient point here is that Trump is clearly acting directly against 'US interests' and directly for Israeli interests in this case, and that's usually what he does.  It's reasonable to wonder if it's partially because of his 'relationship' with Jeffery Epstein.  Other hypothesis about Trump's loyalties are rational as well.  Hard to know exactly what is going on at this point, but it's perfectly clear that Trump is 100% Israeli-firster, and the MBS/Khashoggi affair is just one more example of this.