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November 21, 2018, 01:16:44 AM
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Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network

Whereas The CEO of This Website is Supporting BCash ABC and He Knows That Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Can Play a Big Role in Securing The New BCash ABC's Blockchain

Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain

as Roger Ver Already Announced That BITCOIN's Hash Power Can Be Directed to The BCash ABC's Network so Miners are Following This

He Only Wants to Secure The Bcash ABC Blockchain By Providing Utmost Hash Power That is Being Used in BITCOIN's Blockchain



That's Sad For BITCOIN
IF This Thing Goes for Longer Then BTC Will Dump Towards 4500 or Even 4000 Donno Where it Will STOP.

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November 21, 2018, 01:34:18 AM
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these price events have nothing to do with the altcoin drama

those studying actual stats and information knew that november would be a weird month.(no one knew how weird but they knew october-december would be different than the last 8month stagnation)
the altcoin drama is just the distraction of social drama of craig trying to to fake being an influencer by saying he and ver are the cause.

iin short. if you knew a car crash was going to happen or a lottery win of a neighbour(positive or negative drama). in 3 months. you would spend 3 months planning a plan where you organise stuff so that when it happened everyone looked at you as the significant face of fame, and you would try to take some glory from it.

yep we seen it at things like 9-11. after it happened people ran TOWARD the twin towers to take selfies and proclaim they were involved(victims) hoping to get media to 'fame' them up as victims.

you see it all the time. "OMG i could have been hurt because i visited new york at some point."(facepalm) everyone wanted sympathy that it could have been them. everyone wanted some attention even when they were not involved.

imagine what people do for fame if they had pre knowledge of events thy had nothing to do with

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November 21, 2018, 01:52:31 AM
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these price events have nothing to do with the altcoin drama

those studying actual stats and information knew that november would be a weird month.(no one knew how weird but they knew october-december would be different than the last 8month stagnation)
the altcoin drama is just the distraction of social drama of craig trying to to fake being an influencer by saying he and ver are the cause.

iin short. if you knew a car crash was going to happen or a lottery win of a neighbour(positive or negative drama). in 3 months. you would spend 3 months planning a plan where you organise stuff so that when it happened everyone looked at you as the significant face of fame, and you would try to take some glory from it.

yep we seen it at things like 9-11. after it happened people ran TOWARD the twin towers to take selfies and proclaim they were involved(victims) hoping to get media to 'fame' them up as victims.

you see it all the time. "OMG i could have been hurt because i visited new york at some point."(facepalm) everyone wanted sympathy that it could have been them. everyone wanted some attention even when they were not involved.

imagine what people do for fame if they had pre knowledge of events thy had nothing to do with
does his action trigger the holder in general to no longer believe in bitcoin, and the movement of the mining giant makes people think negatively about the future of bitcoin? I like your quote about 9-11 many people who feel victimized or want to be victims, in this case cut loss is now becoming trendy and distrust of the future of bitcoin is spread throughout the world

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November 21, 2018, 02:03:31 AM
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All this shit is ruining crypto. They will be the ones to bring it down if this happens.. no everyday person give's a fuck about this shit. XRP The standard.. already out preforms bitcoin and really is the only real world use case crypto and the masses know about it.
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November 21, 2018, 02:05:17 AM
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don't forget Craig Wright

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November 21, 2018, 02:05:18 AM
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Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC
the "hash war" is between BCash and BCash-SV and bitcoin has nothing to do with any of them in this war although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

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Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain
that is a mining pool not a mining far. and mining pools don't control hashrate the miners do. so if they start directing their pool elsewhere that miners don't want, they will simply quit that pool.

not to mention that bitcoin.com is still mining bitcoin!

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November 21, 2018, 02:13:52 AM
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All this shit is ruining crypto. They will be the ones to bring it down if this happens.. no everyday person give's a fuck about this shit. XRP The standard.. already out preforms bitcoin and really is the only real world use case crypto and the masses know about it.

Looking at the current market state I have to agree with you

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does his action trigger the holder in general to no longer believe in bitcoin, and the movement of the mining giant makes people think negatively about the future of bitcoin? I like your quote about 9-11 many people who feel victimized or want to be victims, in this case cut loss is now becoming trendy and distrust of the future of bitcoin is spread throughout the world

he triggered NOTHING

the hashrate of BTC is due to new asic switch over..
farms are switching 2 s9's for 1 T15 to keep hashrates the same(prevent a hash spike). they are using boost so that they can reduce the amount of asics needed while still making blocks within the healthy block target time. (to prevent a difficulty spike)
farms learned not to spike hashrate/difficulty from the 2013 event. which caused a temporary price spike and then a 2 year limp along of stagnation. so this time they are trying something different.

the price of BTC is due to more efficient mining means more profitable to mine even below previous baseline value and some VC contracts from a year ago that are finally unlocked and able to spend.

people knew new asics were going to happen, it started last month and people knew back in summer that last months next gen rigs were happening
the VC contracts were from november 2017 so had alot of time.

the only thing is craig knew it too so timed his separate insignificant stuff.. to now try taking glory for btc stuff even though he aint the cause.

craig just bought up some second hand asics that are old gen(obsolete). he is not stealing hashpower. he is just creating his own hashrate. not stealing btc hashrate

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November 21, 2018, 02:50:16 AM
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the price of BTC is due to more efficient mining means more profitable to mine even below previous baseline value

you want us to believe that a mining farm that is still making the same amount of bitcoin started making more $$$ profit so they decided to sell more?!! that doesn't make any sense. if anything when miners make more profit they either continue to sell the same amount or sell less because they don't have to. so technically price should have gone up instead.

don't forget that majority of miners (specially big farms) never sell their coins on exchanges. they do it off the market and that never affects the price.

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November 21, 2018, 03:01:31 AM
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although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

the funds of sv abc are not hitting btc.
that stats of exchanges do not show that craig is selling down BTC/USD.
(if you understand arbitraging of one market going down another has to go up, to cycle the funds around.. this has not happened)

abc and sv are not the cause

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you want us to believe that a mining farm that is still making the same amount of bitcoin started making more $$$ profit so they decided to sell more?!! that doesn't make any sense. if anything when miners make more profit they either continue to sell the same amount or sell less because they don't have to. so technically price should have gone up instead.

don't forget that majority of miners (specially big farms) never sell their coins on exchanges. they do it off the market and that never affects the price.

part if it is true.. but it goes alot deeper
big farms get fiat from investors as OTC contracts that span months. where an investor pre funds the farm and over time the farm hands coins to the investor at set rates/agreed prices.

now the deeper part
when a farm is getting MORE coin than it can offer OTC because its mining more efficiently and the exchange is available to give them profit they will. so where they usually dont touch exchanges. they suddenly are
as you said they usually never sell on exchanges.

which counters your own "continue to sell the same or sell less"..
before this month they hardly ever touched exchanges, but this month they are. meaning they are selling more.. because they never sold much in the first place before

this month is different is different
they have more BTC then usual so can grab more fiat to expand faster than their normal contract plan
also alot of people bought new asics using BTC so as a second income stream the farms have more btc then they need.
again not normal time of year.
this month is a bumper month where certain farm has EXCESS btc above its OTC demands
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but like i said as a separate event . VC's from 2017 are now unlocking their coins and spending finally. so its not just mining
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but definetly not sv abc.. ...  sv abc is just separate insignificant side drama of playing up some fame.
(exchange market arbitrage analysis does not show a pattern.. so craig isnt cycling funds)

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November 21, 2018, 03:27:05 AM
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although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

the funds of sv abc are not hitting btc.
that stats of exchanges do not show that craig is selling down BTC/USD.
(if you understand arbitraging of one market going down another has to go up, to cycle the funds around.. this has not happened)

abc and sv are not the cause

of course Craig isn't selling bitcoin to crash the market. he doesn't have enough BTC to put a dent in the price. but he doesn't have to sell to cause the crash. the FUD does it for him.
it is like the exchange hacks. for example when bitfinex was hacked in 2016 the hacker did NOT sell the hacked coins on the market! others did! and that caused the drop.

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of course Craig isn't selling bitcoin to crash the market. he doesn't have enough BTC to put a dent in the price. but he doesn't have to sell to cause the crash. the FUD does it for him.
it is like the exchange hacks. for example when bitfinex was hacked in 2016 the hacker did NOT sell the hacked coins on the market! others did! and that caused the drop.

a small amount is fud. but the fud panic sellers are not causing the dips.
 think about it, fud/panic sellers are thousands of simultaneous but independent people... deciding at the exact minute to sell all at the same time.. doesnt happen.
they REACT after the fact,,, they are for emphasis "the after effect". not the cause.

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what you notice is miners/VC's (whales with excess funds) sell here
what you notice is panicer's(small minnows) sell here

the thing is. when the price dips. it dips significantly.
if it was by random people. you would see separate small dips after the fact. not hoard dips of large amount in one.

but they are reacting to the dip.. not to altcoin drama.
EG did you see a panic drama price dip last august 2017.. no. because no large whale drama of VC/asics happened in august on the exchanges..
so yes fud panic was a SMALL affect. but as a small tail after action of a dip.

but not related due to altcoin drama. direct.
the psychology of panic is.
"the price tanked, i must sell now..." minutes later "ill blame craig/ver for losses to not feel guilty of own loss/stupidity"
its not
"the price tanked, i must research why" minutes later "it must be craig so i must sell"
its not
"craig is making an alt, i must sell" minutes later "OMG it tanked, its craigs fault"

panicers panic due to seeing a price. and then find an excuse, any excuse to not feel guilty for their own losses

what im just doing is informing people that the dip was not craig/ver. they cant afford to waste funds and exchange arbitrage shows no pattern of them moving funds from their [alt/btc] then [btc/usd] to cause it

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November 21, 2018, 06:33:51 AM
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the "hash war" is between BCash and BCash-SV and bitcoin has nothing to do with any of them in this war although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

We shouldn't be blaming anyone though. If one person can affect things this much (of which I'm not convinced), then we have bigger problems. Either way, most of this drama seems like it'll blow over quite soon. These miners can't keep ignoring the more profitable chain forever.

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Rover Ver is responsible for the current situation,but my theory about the price decrease is that:
1.The number of BTC buyers was equal to the number of bitcoin sellers during the last few months.The only difference now is that the buyers(or a part of them) lost hope and stopped buying.
2.The crypto whales might want a cheaper price.

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Both ver and wright are responsible for this dumb war that triggered the dump but the real blame goes to panic sellers that are following the herd and dumping with losses or minimal gains

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Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

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November 21, 2018, 09:38:05 AM
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Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

to be fair there was no drop in bitcoin hashrate when the fork occurred so you can not say it was because of the fork. then the bitcoin price went down and that always makes mining less profitable and obviously SOME small time miners shut down and that decreases the hashrate. so again you can't attribute that to this altcoin fork either!

the thing about price was only due to panic. people always do this with bitcoin, they start some sort of fear and then speculate about how that fear can drop the price and then stop selling at that arbitrary number!

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November 21, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
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O think both teams that is ABC and SV play a part with their "hash war"... The price drops of course also because other factors in markets, but this uncertainty and fighting in spite of mining at a loss etc.. certainly does not help crypto bulls Smiley

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Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network

Whereas The CEO of This Website is Supporting BCash ABC and He Knows That Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Can Play a Big Role in Securing The New BCash ABC's Blockchain

Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain

as Roger Ver Already Announced That BITCOIN's Hash Power Can Be Directed to The BCash ABC's Network so Miners are Following This

He Only Wants to Secure The Bcash ABC Blockchain By Providing Utmost Hash Power That is Being Used in BITCOIN's Blockchain



That's Sad For BITCOIN
IF This Thing Goes for Longer Then BTC Will Dump Towards 4500 or Even 4000 Donno Where it Will STOP.


It's pretty sad and maybe some Holders are buying its fud, but there's something positive after all, BITCOIN CASH destroyed its brand and there's no way someone would say again BCH ABC it's the real Bitcoin wtf???


That's why in first moment it was forked bitcoin, because.. core isn't following the patch of the original BTC, them that caused a second war between to kids with money and high EGO CW and RV and JW

Because Bitcoin isn't too much like bitcoin SV?? WTF, after all those players entering in the game in the middle of 2017 or January 2018 had never experienced the first bear market in his life, and secondly, the FUD from CW don't have anything to do with BTC only with its own altcoin.

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November 21, 2018, 11:31:18 AM
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In my opinion they <Roger Ver and CW> are the major trigger for this dump. We <BTC> has lost almost 30% in value because these two idiots wants to show the rest of the world that they are the Alpha males in Bitcoin Cash.

We know that they are burning through money to accomplish this goal and CW stated that he would be dumping a lot of BTC to prove his point, so I guess this is what is happening now.

You only need a small spark to ignite a fire that will burn out of control and the Bitcoin Cash fork was the spark that was needed to cause this drop in the BTC price.  Angry Angry Angry

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Both Ver and Wright are sad losers.


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It seems like Roger's server is just being arrogant and too ambitious that making a roger ver like this, Rogers ver too makes the traders hate him for playing with prices easily and he's too greedy.

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I feel this war was orchestrated in other for secret whale investors to buy cheap, leaving the weak in a dilemma as we are witnessing now. One time, you see a sign of recovery followed by another massive dumping. This hashwar might have been well planned by the major players. The richer keeps getting richer while the fearful setback and watch their asset been taken from them. Conspiracy

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Ver and Wright are both driven by egotistic tendencies.

They care more about themselves and lining their own pockets than they do about anything else.

Neither it seems have any real care or concern for crypto or the community. It seems they are seeking personal gain in terms of status as well as money.

Ver created Bitcoin Cash because he lost the battle to try to take over Bitcoin. In the days after Bitcoin Cash was created it stated on the duplicitous bitcoin.com domain (which is owned by Ver) that Bitcoin was not democratic and that Bitcoin Cash had several teams and consensus would be the way forward.

Now the very thing Ver created to try to sell as the "real" Bitcoin has been hijacked by Wright who wants Bitcoin Cash SV to be the "real" Bitcoin.

There is only one Bitcoin simple. Others are low level forks such as Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Cash SV etc.

With Ver and Wright and all other pretenders humiliated, they should stop it and give up.

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what im just doing is informing people that the dip was not craig/ver. they cant afford to waste funds and exchange arbitrage shows no pattern of them moving funds from their [alt/btc] then [btc/usd] to cause it

It most certainly was them. They've been inducing chaos in the crypto markets and encouraging people to get out and stand on the sides until the drama was over. This in itself has a panic-inducing effect which amplifies the whole scenario. Both sides also have deep BTC pockets that they can sell in order to either fund their silly hash war or prop up the price of their dying coins.

I tend not to believe a single thing CSW says but he is all for dropping the price of BTC to $1000 if need be.

I was about to post an image of his tweet that says so on twitter but he's done blocked me  Sad  Cry

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OP are you f*cking nuts? Roger is not to blame at all, he just did his BCH upgrade.

It was CSW, Craigh Wright, who declared war on Roger and BCH and it was CSW who openly said that he is willing to destroy the entire crypto market by selling large amounts of crypto to finance his insane war.

Just google him and you will find out....

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November 21, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
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Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin.

Roger Ver failed to influence the path of Bitcoin so he created Bitcoin Cash claiming it was the "real" Bitcoin in the way Satoshi wanted it. Now Craig Wright has forked Bitcoin Cash claiming his Bitcoin Cash SV is the "real"  Bitcoin in the way Satoahi would have wanted.

Bitcoin Cash is obsolete thanks to this ABC/SV drama and because it is associated with Ver and Wright

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Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin.

Yeah, no, I see a difference between Roger calling BCH "the real bitcoin" and CSW calling his BCHSV "the real Bitcoin Cash" and then declaring a war that costs the community billions and billions of dollars, and threatening do actively destroy BCH via 51% attacks. If this was a regulated market (CSW loves regulation) then he would be in jail already.  Angry

Roger never attacked or threatened the rest of the community, or did he? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin.

Yeah, no, I see a difference between Roger calling BCH "the real bitcoin" and CSW calling his BCHSV "the real Bitcoin Cash" and then declaring a war that costs the community billions and billions of dollars, and threatening do actively destroy BCH via 51% attacks. If this was a regulated market (CSW loves regulation) then he would be in jail already.  Angry

Roger never attacked or threatened the rest of the community, or did he? Correct me if I'm wrong.



It is a funny old world.

BCH vs BCHSV is now the new battleground for Ver.

For so long Ver tried to fool people in to calling Bcash/BCH the real Bitcoin but now we have someone calling Bcash/BCHSV the real Bitcoin.

In the end there is only one Bitcoin which is all about bitcoin.org and all the others are pretenders, low level forks such as BCH and bitcoin.com and of course BCHSV ...

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November 21, 2018, 06:51:42 PM
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ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

this topic should be in the altcoin section or the speculation section
show me a chart where large volume is arbitraging from

[sv/btc] ^ just before a time of [btc/usd] v just before a time of [sv/usd] ^ and then repeat
if you cannot show an arbitrage from sv to btc/USD the craig is not doing jack crap

[abc/btc] ^ just before a time of [btc/usd] v just before a time of [abc/usd] ^ and then repeat
if you cannot show an arbitrage from abc to btc/USD the ver is not doing jack crap


i checked some and seen no arbitrage. so they are not tanking the exchanges
other factors are in play and the two drama queens are just beating their chests holloring they are the cause just for fake glory and to pretend they are influencers

go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

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Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin.

Yeah, no, I see a difference between Roger calling BCH "the real bitcoin" and CSW calling his BCHSV "the real Bitcoin Cash" and then declaring a war that costs the community billions and billions of dollars, and threatening do actively destroy BCH via 51% attacks. If this was a regulated market (CSW loves regulation) then he would be in jail already.  Angry

Roger never attacked or threatened the rest of the community, or did he? Correct me if I'm wrong.


I threats with his hand on the network are not met. To be honest, it seems to me that there is no difference between them. Yes, of course the main segments and concepts differ in different opinions, but in the end they talk about the same thing. And the saddest thing is that these conversations do not bring absolutely no results.

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Roger Ver, a person who is greedy for wealth who always makes chaos in the world of cryptocurrency. While we are not consumed by propaganda, I think that is fine, but the more new bitcoin users refer to Roger Ver, I feel sad about that.
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November 21, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
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ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

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go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

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November 21, 2018, 08:42:24 PM
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Roger ver is not the person to blame for everything he has always supported bitcoin ! But Craig Wright started this war ! Roger ver had to join the fight he had no choice !

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If there's anyone to blame it's the people who don't understand markets and can only talk about celebrity gossip.  If you think these particular individuals have too much influence, that's probably because you're giving it to them by hanging on their every word.  If no one paid attention to them, they'd be irrelevant.  Remember that Simpsons episode?


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How much BTC and BCH did Craig Wright hold?

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November 22, 2018, 04:28:18 AM
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ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

this topic should be in the altcoin section or the speculation section
show me a chart where large volume is arbitraging from

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if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

Why do you insist that any of their ability to dump BTC is dependent on arbitrage?

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"?? You need to provide evidence for your completely novel and unfollowed theory more than we need to provide evidence for ours.

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-btc-there-is-no-liquidity-in-the-market-to-absorb-the-sell-off-says-bart-smith/

https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/11/22/bch-usd-price-analysis-bitcoin-cash-wars-force-giga-watts-bankruptcy/

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1048015/bitcoin-price-news-btc-sell-plunge-will-bitcoin-fall

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November 22, 2018, 07:40:51 AM
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How much BTC and BCH did Craig Wright hold?

Since Craig claims to be Satoshi, 1 million of each? Lmfao. But yeah, regardless of the truth of that statement, that figure is probably close to reality:

In the filing, Kleiman's brother includes what he says is email traffic between himself and Wright in which the entrepreneur indicates he may have been holding 300,000 of Kleiman's bitcoins.

Dave "mentioned that you had 1 million bitcoins in the trust and since you said he has 300,000 as his part,'' the computer expert's brother wrote. "I was figuring the other 700,000 is yours," he added in the email. "Is that correct?"

"Around that," Wright wrote back. "Minus what was needed for the company's use."

He could be burning through these for this drama.

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November 22, 2018, 07:50:08 AM
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If what was explained here is the fact then Mr. Var is the one to blame. What is the problem is he having with bitcoin team? Can't it be resolved so that market will correct now and move in the right direction?  Come to think of it, is bitcoin group helpless in this situation? can't they fight for their own and make sure that bitcoin survive this onslaught. Though we had a similar situation last year and bitcoin was able to survive and went ahead to make a new high.
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November 22, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
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Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

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November 22, 2018, 01:17:27 PM
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Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

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November 22, 2018, 01:20:43 PM
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If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...

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November 22, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
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ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

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go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an  attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

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November 22, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
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ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

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go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an  attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

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November 22, 2018, 01:53:39 PM
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Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

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November 22, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
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Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

You are right DooMAD. They do not deserve mention regarding the current market collapse. I will have to say again though as mentioned earlier: "Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin."

I am going to unwatch this thread now.

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November 22, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
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Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

OK and how does this drop the price of BTC?

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November 23, 2018, 04:18:52 AM
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If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...
think again about decentralized when mining is controlled by one or 2 person, mining is centralized

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War is over ABC win, the roger ver laughed with his victory.. supported by a full force of jihan wu finally the whole blockchain bch was overpowered, and craight now proposed separation of territories but the war left blood everywhere, the entire market was injured ..
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November 23, 2018, 05:49:13 AM
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Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

Because the recent crash coincided with the BCH fork, and Wright's claims about selling BTC to fund his hash rate war.

People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic. Now lots of market participants are thinking like this:

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

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People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic.

In the end, you're right, however, Ver's reputation has been irreparably damaged.

CSW never really had a reputation other than being a liar.

Both men are clearly sociopaths.

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November 23, 2018, 06:43:50 AM
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OP are you f*cking nuts? Roger is not to blame at all, he just did his BCH upgrade.

It was CSW, Craigh Wright, who declared war on Roger and BCH and it was CSW who openly said that he is willing to destroy the entire crypto market by selling large amounts of crypto to finance his insane war.

Just google him and you will find out....

https://www.coinspeaker.com/hash-war-is-on-craig-wright-threatens-to-crash-bitcoin-price-down-to-1000/

Hash War is On: Craig Wright Threatens to Crash Bitcoin Price Down to $1000

OP is blaming the World Trade Center for Al Qaida attack,,, "is WTC the only building to blame right now"  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

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come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

Your thread is now 3 pages long with 375 views... I think that's worthy of a merit. Congrats, you're no longer a newbie.

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November 23, 2018, 07:07:41 AM
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Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

After what's been said and done, those mining pools will go back to Bitcoin because its where the money is. Once this war is over, and it looks like CSW's SV is losing the battle its just a matter of time when he realize that the fight is just useless to begin with.

 
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This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network
and now, look at both price. abc price 50% under bch before fork. all war on the world will be come destroyer anything, cryptocurrency too bad for that destroying 1-2 person with they egosentric.

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come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

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hashwar doen't direct affect the price directly  TBH

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November 24, 2018, 03:05:52 AM
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Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

i still don't understand why people think "bitcoin" miners redirected their mining power to these altcoins! BCH already had a big mining power coming from Antpool and Bitcoin.com and it remained that way. while SV needed to get power which CSW provided but not from bitcoin.
additionally if you check the hashrate charts you can see that when the fork occurred there has been no hashrate change for bitcoin. but after the price dropped the hashrate went down, and only a little which is logical since lower price == lower profit and not all miners can continue mining under those circumstances. and mining BCH and SV have been even less profitable (you lose money if you mine SV) so i doubt anybody bothered with it.

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Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

i still don't understand why people think "bitcoin" miners redirected their mining power to these altcoins! BCH already had a big mining power coming from Antpool and Bitcoin.com and it remained that way. while SV needed to get power which CSW provided but not from bitcoin.
additionally if you check the hashrate charts you can see that when the fork occurred there has been no hashrate change for bitcoin. but after the price dropped the hashrate went down, and only a little which is logical since lower price == lower profit and not all miners can continue mining under those circumstances. and mining BCH and SV have been even less profitable (you lose money if you mine SV) so i doubt anybody bothered with it.

Whether or not the forks or the energy waste causing miners to go out of business because mining btc is no longer profitable.
https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/hash-rate
The btc hash rate has declined
8/26/2018  =>  61,866,256 TH/s
11/21/2018=>  40,349,972 TH/s

That is ~35% drop in less than 3 months.
For a coin that promote it's energy waste and Hash rate as it's security, it now means btc is ~35% less secure than it was ~3 months ago.
Unless people decide to be honest and admit btc is secured by bitmain greater than 51% centralized control as it has been for years.  Wink


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This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network
and now, look at both price. abc price 50% under bch before fork. all war on the world will be come destroyer anything, cryptocurrency too bad for that destroying 1-2 person with they egosentric.

they don't care about the price, of course they wanted a higher price but that still is free money that they earned out of thin air and with a little bit of social media drama.
not to mention the fact that now they are buying bitcoin at a much cheaper price compared to before! so that is even more profit.

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Some people think that market drop at this months because bitcoin cash fork. Its like civir war in cryptomarket. I dont know about this but i think market already drop the value since beginning year.

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Some people think that market drop at this months because bitcoin cash fork. Its like civir war in cryptomarket. I dont know about this but i think market already drop the value since beginning year.

this is part of the whales game, they throw their bitcoin in various big exchanges like bitfinex. this is a hard blow for investors and beginners.
anything must be dealt with, hopefully the market will turn green.

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Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network
and now, look at both price. abc price 50% under bch before fork. all war on the world will be come destroyer anything, cryptocurrency too bad for that destroying 1-2 person with they egosentric.

they don't care about the price, of course they wanted a higher price but that still is free money that they earned out of thin air and with a little bit of social media drama.
not to mention the fact that now they are buying bitcoin at a much cheaper price compared to before! so that is even more profit.

Before the network split, the price of BCH was $512. Now the combined price of both BCH tokens is $247. It's hard to think of that as free money! More like lost money. Cheesy

I'm not sure about the ABC side, but didn't Craig Wright say his side was selling BTC to fund this little war? I don't think any party in this war benefits from lower BTC prices...

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November 25, 2018, 02:18:21 AM
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After this blaming would it change the reality?Be mature guys and move on,decide if you will still trust this market or you need to go to another field of profiteering
For me everything is possible to happen even how hard we dont want this to be,let us continue supporting the coins were holding and just dont mind what roger ver and craig wright has to do,and besides small investors like us is the most affected from this
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I agree, they are all people who deserve to be blamed for all the market price chaos today. but surely they are not the only factor and the reason for all these events, since the beginning of the year we have presented difficult moments and problems that came from outside the crypto industry (like gov and bank). so roger ver and craight wright is only a supporter of the chaos that has actually been formed long before.

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Roger ver, a greedy and very arrogant person who creates chaos now in the crypto world, I will not be affected by nonsense Roger ver, but I am worried about new bitcoin users, afraid they will be affected by nonsense Roger ver.
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I dont know who is to blame in this bear market. I am prefer looking this as an opportunity. With most coin drop more than 90% from highest, i think its good time for accumulating more coin in good project and having working product

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Do you realize how stupid , you all sound hating on 1 single guy for the price collapse of a crypto market.

He is 1 guy, he is not your president ,  he is not your king, he is not the head of the IMF.

Get the fuck over yourselves and quit blaming one guy because you are upset at your poor investment skills.

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Do you realize how stupid , you all sound hating on 1 single guy for the price collapse of a crypto market.

He is 1 guy, he is not your president ,  he is not your king, he is not the head of the IMF.

Get the fuck over yourselves and quit blaming one guy because you are upset at your poor investment skills.

Grow the fuck up , you silly bunch of Nancys.


but but but .. .. .....
every statement from both of them will definitely have an impact on the price of cryptocurrency
like it or not they both have a big influence
and of course the drama that happens to BCH (now ABC) will have an impact on all coins
especially the statement from Faketoshi who said to declare war on all coins that tried to fight bitcoin
like the previous statement on his Twitter account, Faketoshi will also attack Ripple XRP in a few years

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Now BCHabc dumped  Grin https://www.ccn.com/lawsuit-accuses-crypto-heavyweights-bitmain-roger-ver-of-hijacking-bitcoin-cash/  and the drama is continues

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Yeah, let the drama continues and exposed how greedy those people are. Its pretty obvious that they manipulated everything from the beginning. The lawsuit states that they committed unfair practice by converting their Bitcoin gear and renting extra hardware to mine Bitcoin Cash ABC. Its a messed they started that we all have to suffered, to say the least.

 
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that's exactly what it is, drama and nothing more. even the lawsuit that the site is talking about is pure drama. and it has been used for manipulation of the bitcoin price which is followed by the massive dump of altcoins.

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Do you realize how stupid , you all sound hating on 1 single guy for the price collapse of a crypto market.

He is 1 guy, he is not your president ,  he is not your king, he is not the head of the IMF.

Get the fuck over yourselves and quit blaming one guy because you are upset at your poor investment skills.

Grow the fuck up , you silly bunch of Nancys.


but but but .. .. .....
every statement from both of them will definitely have an impact on the price of cryptocurrency
like it or not they both have a big influence
and of course the drama that happens to BCH (now ABC) will have an impact on all coins
especially the statement from Faketoshi who said to declare war on all coins that tried to fight bitcoin
like the previous statement on his Twitter account, Faketoshi will also attack Ripple XRP in a few years

The guy above you is correct .  those are only normal people and we should not believe on what they were trying to say but we should rather foccus on what we are currently doing right now and that is to hodl and buy more coins  .  even if those guys say that cryptos will go down , just dont ever believe on them because we already see that cryptos are now being applied on our daily lives . crypto is the future of money and no one can change that destiny  .
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This is what happened, we survived for bitcoin and let them rejoice in their discovery, we think positively for bitcoin and other cryptos. ABC's bitcoin attack is indeed quite good and hopes this competition will remain healthy.
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