Is Roger ver and craight wright faketoshi are person who to blame right now?

[vanmoreno]

Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network

Whereas The CEO of This Website is Supporting BCash ABC and He Knows That Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Can Play a Big Role in Securing The New BCash ABC's Blockchain

Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain

as Roger Ver Already Announced That BITCOIN's Hash Power Can Be Directed to The BCash ABC's Network so Miners are Following This

He Only Wants to Secure The Bcash ABC Blockchain By Providing Utmost Hash Power That is Being Used in BITCOIN's Blockchain



That's Sad For BITCOIN
IF This Thing Goes for Longer Then BTC Will Dump Towards 4500 or Even 4000 Donno Where it Will STOP.

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[franky1]

these price events have nothing to do with the altcoin drama

those studying actual stats and information knew that november would be a weird month.(no one knew how weird but they knew october-december would be different than the last 8month stagnation)
the altcoin drama is just the distraction of social drama of craig trying to to fake being an influencer by saying he and ver are the cause.

iin short. if you knew a car crash was going to happen or a lottery win of a neighbour(positive or negative drama). in 3 months. you would spend 3 months planning a plan where you organise stuff so that when it happened everyone looked at you as the significant face of fame, and you would try to take some glory from it.

yep we seen it at things like 9-11. after it happened people ran TOWARD the twin towers to take selfies and proclaim they were involved(victims) hoping to get media to 'fame' them up as victims.

you see it all the time. "OMG i could have been hurt because i visited new york at some point."(facepalm) everyone wanted sympathy that it could have been them. everyone wanted some attention even when they were not involved.

imagine what people do for fame if they had pre knowledge of events thy had nothing to do with

[vanmoreno]

these price events have nothing to do with the altcoin drama

those studying actual stats and information knew that november would be a weird month.(no one knew how weird but they knew october-december would be different than the last 8month stagnation)
the altcoin drama is just the distraction of social drama of craig trying to to fake being an influencer by saying he and ver are the cause.

iin short. if you knew a car crash was going to happen or a lottery win of a neighbour(positive or negative drama). in 3 months. you would spend 3 months planning a plan where you organise stuff so that when it happened everyone looked at you as the significant face of fame, and you would try to take some glory from it.

yep we seen it at things like 9-11. after it happened people ran TOWARD the twin towers to take selfies and proclaim they were involved(victims) hoping to get media to 'fame' them up as victims.

you see it all the time. "OMG i could have been hurt because i visited new york at some point."(facepalm) everyone wanted sympathy that it could have been them. everyone wanted some attention even when they were not involved.

imagine what people do for fame if they had pre knowledge of events thy had nothing to do with

does his action trigger the holder in general to no longer believe in bitcoin, and the movement of the mining giant makes people think negatively about the future of bitcoin? I like your quote about 9-11 many people who feel victimized or want to be victims, in this case cut loss is now becoming trendy and distrust of the future of bitcoin is spread throughout the world

[wnfakind]

All this shit is ruining crypto. They will be the ones to bring it down if this happens.. no everyday person give's a fuck about this shit. XRP The standard.. already out preforms bitcoin and really is the only real world use case crypto and the masses know about it.

[worldtraveller321]

don't forget Craig Wright

[pooya87]

Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

the "hash war" is between BCash and BCash-SV and bitcoin has nothing to do with any of them in this war although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain

that is a mining pool not a mining far. and mining pools don't control hashrate the miners do. so if they start directing their pool elsewhere that miners don't want, they will simply quit that pool.

not to mention that bitcoin.com is still mining bitcoin!

[JollyGood]

All this shit is ruining crypto. They will be the ones to bring it down if this happens.. no everyday person give's a fuck about this shit. XRP The standard.. already out preforms bitcoin and really is the only real world use case crypto and the masses know about it.

Looking at the current market state I have to agree with you

[franky1]

does his action trigger the holder in general to no longer believe in bitcoin, and the movement of the mining giant makes people think negatively about the future of bitcoin? I like your quote about 9-11 many people who feel victimized or want to be victims, in this case cut loss is now becoming trendy and distrust of the future of bitcoin is spread throughout the world

he triggered NOTHING

the hashrate of BTC is due to new asic switch over..
farms are switching 2 s9's for 1 T15 to keep hashrates the same(prevent a hash spike). they are using boost so that they can reduce the amount of asics needed while still making blocks within the healthy block target time. (to prevent a difficulty spike)
farms learned not to spike hashrate/difficulty from the 2013 event. which caused a temporary price spike and then a 2 year limp along of stagnation. so this time they are trying something different.

the price of BTC is due to more efficient mining means more profitable to mine even below previous baseline value and some VC contracts from a year ago that are finally unlocked and able to spend.

people knew new asics were going to happen, it started last month and people knew back in summer that last months next gen rigs were happening
the VC contracts were from november 2017 so had alot of time.

the only thing is craig knew it too so timed his separate insignificant stuff.. to now try taking glory for btc stuff even though he aint the cause.

craig just bought up some second hand asics that are old gen(obsolete). he is not stealing hashpower. he is just creating his own hashrate. not stealing btc hashrate

[pooya87]

the price of BTC is due to more efficient mining means more profitable to mine even below previous baseline value

you want us to believe that a mining farm that is still making the same amount of bitcoin started making more $$$ profit so they decided to sell more?!! that doesn't make any sense. if anything when miners make more profit they either continue to sell the same amount or sell less because they don't have to. so technically price should have gone up instead.

don't forget that majority of miners (specially big farms) never sell their coins on exchanges. they do it off the market and that never affects the price.

[franky1]

although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

the funds of sv abc are not hitting btc.
that stats of exchanges do not show that craig is selling down BTC/USD.
(if you understand arbitraging of one market going down another has to go up, to cycle the funds around.. this has not happened)

abc and sv are not the cause

[franky1]

you want us to believe that a mining farm that is still making the same amount of bitcoin started making more $$$ profit so they decided to sell more?!! that doesn't make any sense. if anything when miners make more profit they either continue to sell the same amount or sell less because they don't have to. so technically price should have gone up instead.

don't forget that majority of miners (specially big farms) never sell their coins on exchanges. they do it off the market and that never affects the price.

part if it is true.. but it goes alot deeper
big farms get fiat from investors as OTC contracts that span months. where an investor pre funds the farm and over time the farm hands coins to the investor at set rates/agreed prices.

now the deeper part
when a farm is getting MORE coin than it can offer OTC because its mining more efficiently and the exchange is available to give them profit they will. so where they usually dont touch exchanges. they suddenly are
as you said they usually never sell on exchanges.

which counters your own "continue to sell the same or sell less"..
before this month they hardly ever touched exchanges, but this month they are. meaning they are selling more.. because they never sold much in the first place before

this month is different is different
they have more BTC then usual so can grab more fiat to expand faster than their normal contract plan
also alot of people bought new asics using BTC so as a second income stream the farms have more btc then they need.
again not normal time of year.
this month is a bumper month where certain farm has EXCESS btc above its OTC demands
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but like i said as a separate event . VC's from 2017 are now unlocking their coins and spending finally. so its not just mining
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but definetly not sv abc.. ...  sv abc is just separate insignificant side drama of playing up some fame.
(exchange market arbitrage analysis does not show a pattern.. so craig isnt cycling funds)

[pooya87]

although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

the funds of sv abc are not hitting btc.
that stats of exchanges do not show that craig is selling down BTC/USD.
(if you understand arbitraging of one market going down another has to go up, to cycle the funds around.. this has not happened)

abc and sv are not the cause

of course Craig isn't selling bitcoin to crash the market. he doesn't have enough BTC to put a dent in the price. but he doesn't have to sell to cause the crash. the FUD does it for him.
it is like the exchange hacks. for example when bitfinex was hacked in 2016 the hacker did NOT sell the hacked coins on the market! others did! and that caused the drop.

[franky1]

of course Craig isn't selling bitcoin to crash the market. he doesn't have enough BTC to put a dent in the price. but he doesn't have to sell to cause the crash. the FUD does it for him.
it is like the exchange hacks. for example when bitfinex was hacked in 2016 the hacker did NOT sell the hacked coins on the market! others did! and that caused the drop.

a small amount is fud. but the fud panic sellers are not causing the dips.
 think about it, fud/panic sellers are thousands of simultaneous but independent people... deciding at the exact minute to sell all at the same time.. doesnt happen.
they REACT after the fact,,, they are for emphasis "the after effect". not the cause.

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what you notice is miners/VC's (whales with excess funds) sell here
what you notice is panicer's(small minnows) sell here

the thing is. when the price dips. it dips significantly.
if it was by random people. you would see separate small dips after the fact. not hoard dips of large amount in one.

but they are reacting to the dip.. not to altcoin drama.
EG did you see a panic drama price dip last august 2017.. no. because no large whale drama of VC/asics happened in august on the exchanges..
so yes fud panic was a SMALL affect. but as a small tail after action of a dip.

but not related due to altcoin drama. direct.
the psychology of panic is.
"the price tanked, i must sell now..." minutes later "ill blame craig/ver for losses to not feel guilty of own loss/stupidity"
its not
"the price tanked, i must research why" minutes later "it must be craig so i must sell"
its not
"craig is making an alt, i must sell" minutes later "OMG it tanked, its craigs fault"

panicers panic due to seeing a price. and then find an excuse, any excuse to not feel guilty for their own losses

what im just doing is informing people that the dip was not craig/ver. they cant afford to waste funds and exchange arbitrage shows no pattern of them moving funds from their [alt/btc] then [btc/usd] to cause it

[jseverson]

the "hash war" is between BCash and BCash-SV and bitcoin has nothing to do with any of them in this war although the consequences of this war is affecting bitcoin. and it is not just Ver, it is Wright too and they both are fighting over control and money.

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

We shouldn't be blaming anyone though. If one person can affect things this much (of which I'm not convinced), then we have bigger problems. Either way, most of this drama seems like it'll blow over quite soon. These miners can't keep ignoring the more profitable chain forever.

[davis196]

Rover Ver is responsible for the current situation,but my theory about the price decrease is that:
1.The number of BTC buyers was equal to the number of bitcoin sellers during the last few months.The only difference now is that the buyers(or a part of them) lost hope and stopped buying.
2.The crypto whales might want a cheaper price.

[btyco]

Both ver and wright are responsible for this dumb war that triggered the dump but the real blame goes to panic sellers that are following the herd and dumping with losses or minimal gains

[dothebeats]

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

[Pursuer]

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

to be fair there was no drop in bitcoin hashrate when the fork occurred so you can not say it was because of the fork. then the bitcoin price went down and that always makes mining less profitable and obviously SOME small time miners shut down and that decreases the hashrate. so again you can't attribute that to this altcoin fork either!

the thing about price was only due to panic. people always do this with bitcoin, they start some sort of fear and then speculate about how that fear can drop the price and then stop selling at that arbitrary number!

[flyingplows]

O think both teams that is ABC and SV play a part with their "hash war"... The price drops of course also because other factors in markets, but this uncertainty and fighting in spite of mining at a loss etc.. certainly does not help crypto bulls

[th3nolo]

Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network

Whereas The CEO of This Website is Supporting BCash ABC and He Knows That Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Can Play a Big Role in Securing The New BCash ABC's Blockchain

Henceforth! What's Happening Now is All The HashPower from Bitcoin.com's Mining Pool Who Were Supposed to Work for BITCOIN Blockchain, Now Working for BCash ABC Blockchain

as Roger Ver Already Announced That BITCOIN's Hash Power Can Be Directed to The BCash ABC's Network so Miners are Following This

He Only Wants to Secure The Bcash ABC Blockchain By Providing Utmost Hash Power That is Being Used in BITCOIN's Blockchain



That's Sad For BITCOIN
IF This Thing Goes for Longer Then BTC Will Dump Towards 4500 or Even 4000 Donno Where it Will STOP.

It's pretty sad and maybe some Holders are buying its fud, but there's something positive after all, BITCOIN CASH destroyed its brand and there's no way someone would say again BCH ABC it's the real Bitcoin wtf???


That's why in first moment it was forked bitcoin, because.. core isn't following the patch of the original BTC, them that caused a second war between to kids with money and high EGO CW and RV and JW

Because Bitcoin isn't too much like bitcoin SV?? WTF, after all those players entering in the game in the middle of 2017 or January 2018 had never experienced the first bear market in his life, and secondly, the FUD from CW don't have anything to do with BTC only with its own altcoin.