Is Roger ver and craight wright faketoshi are person who to blame right now?

[franky1]

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

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[leopard2]

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

a pretty dangerous colleague 

[Corsicoin]

If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...

[BrewMaster]

ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

...

go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an  attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

[JollyGood]

ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

...

go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips


if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an  attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

[DooMAD]

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

[JollyGood]

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

You are right DooMAD. They do not deserve mention regarding the current market collapse. I will have to say again though as mentioned earlier: "Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin."

I am going to unwatch this thread now.

[nutildah]

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

OK and how does this drop the price of BTC?

[vanmoreno]

If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...

think again about decentralized when mining is controlled by one or 2 person, mining is centralized

[jawakoak]

War is over ABC win, the roger ver laughed with his victory.. supported by a full force of jihan wu finally the whole blockchain bch was overpowered, and craight now proposed separation of territories but the war left blood everywhere, the entire market was injured ..

[squatter]

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well.  Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media.  What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people?  Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

Because the recent crash coincided with the BCH fork, and Wright's claims about selling BTC to fund his hash rate war.

People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic. Now lots of market participants are thinking like this:

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

[nutildah]

People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic.

In the end, you're right, however, Ver's reputation has been irreparably damaged.

CSW never really had a reputation other than being a liar.

Both men are clearly sociopaths.

[vanmoreno]

OP are you f*cking nuts? Roger is not to blame at all, he just did his BCH upgrade.

It was CSW, Craigh Wright, who declared war on Roger and BCH and it was CSW who openly said that he is willing to destroy the entire crypto market by selling large amounts of crypto to finance his insane war.

Just google him and you will find out....

https://www.coinspeaker.com/hash-war-is-on-craig-wright-threatens-to-crash-bitcoin-price-down-to-1000/

Hash War is On: Craig Wright Threatens to Crash Bitcoin Price Down to $1000

OP is blaming the World Trade Center for Al Qaida attack,,, "is WTC the only building to blame right now"  

come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

[nutildah]

come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

Your thread is now 3 pages long with 375 views... I think that's worthy of a merit. Congrats, you're no longer a newbie.

[Kemarit]

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

After what's been said and done, those mining pools will go back to Bitcoin because its where the money is. Once this war is over, and it looks like CSW's SV is losing the battle its just a matter of time when he realize that the fight is just useless to begin with.

[Kikeeping]

Roger Ver is The Main Player Behind This Hash War Thats Been Going On Between BITCOIN & BCash ABC

This is The Guy Who is Supporting BCashABC Most
This is The Guy Who is The CEO of Bitcoin.com Website

and Bitcoin.com has its Mining Pool Who Provides a Significant Amount of HashPower to The BITCOIN Network

and now, look at both price. abc price 50% under bch before fork. all war on the world will be come destroyer anything, cryptocurrency too bad for that destroying 1-2 person with they egosentric.

[vanmoreno]

come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

Your thread is now 3 pages long with 375 views... I think that's worthy of a merit. Congrats, you're no longer a newbie.

thanks you miss, you are real legendary person in my lyfe

[bitcoinfuck]

hashwar doen't direct affect the price directly  TBH

[pooya87]

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

i still don't understand why people think "bitcoin" miners redirected their mining power to these altcoins! BCH already had a big mining power coming from Antpool and Bitcoin.com and it remained that way. while SV needed to get power which CSW provided but not from bitcoin.
additionally if you check the hashrate charts you can see that when the fork occurred there has been no hashrate change for bitcoin. but after the price dropped the hashrate went down, and only a little which is logical since lower price == lower profit and not all miners can continue mining under those circumstances. and mining BCH and SV have been even less profitable (you lose money if you mine SV) so i doubt anybody bothered with it.

[Zin-Zang]

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

i still don't understand why people think "bitcoin" miners redirected their mining power to these altcoins! BCH already had a big mining power coming from Antpool and Bitcoin.com and it remained that way. while SV needed to get power which CSW provided but not from bitcoin.
additionally if you check the hashrate charts you can see that when the fork occurred there has been no hashrate change for bitcoin. but after the price dropped the hashrate went down, and only a little which is logical since lower price == lower profit and not all miners can continue mining under those circumstances. and mining BCH and SV have been even less profitable (you lose money if you mine SV) so i doubt anybody bothered with it.

Whether or not the forks or the energy waste causing miners to go out of business because mining btc is no longer profitable.
https://www.blockchain.com/en/charts/hash-rate
The btc hash rate has declined
8/26/2018  =>  61,866,256 TH/s
11/21/2018=>  40,349,972 TH/s

That is ~35% drop in less than 3 months.
For a coin that promote it's energy waste and Hash rate as it's security, it now means btc is ~35% less secure than it was ~3 months ago.
Unless people decide to be honest and admit btc is secured by bitmain greater than 51% centralized control as it has been for years.  


FYI:
Blaming two people alone for an entire industry market crash is beyond asinine.
Blame the miners, Blame the buyers & sellers, Blame the tether scandal, and when you done with that ,
get a mirror and point your finger at yourself and then blame yourself for being the dumbass that fell for it.  
After that you have now blamed everyone , and now can get on with your life.