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November 22, 2018, 08:37:09 AM
Last edit: November 29, 2018, 07:53:56 AM by yeswepump_banned
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I've created this account to see if my situation can get sorted out.

After over 4.5 years activity on the forum, my Legendary account has been banned.

My username is yeswepump and my profile is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=500098

Since there's no explanation on why account was banned, at https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php I can only see:

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Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #500098

I did a search and I could find only this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4720640.msg47529080#msg47529080 where I was added to a list of spammers?

In fact, on Nov 3rd, two of my messages were deleted. I posted in two threads a link to an airdrop (yes, it was required by the airdrop itself) but there was no reflink. See the deletion message I received:

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Registrati per ricevere 3000 gettoni ZINK GRATUITI del valore di $ 300 (1,53 ETH)
1 ZINK = 0.00050ETH
DEVI avere un indirizzo Ethereum ERC-20 con almeno 0.0005 ETH per richiedere i token.
https://www.cryptozink.io/airdrop/
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDqgbO3PFzW385mRSzunNbahZ69qW8fLRRCjG7g_Jsxhr4mg/viewform

Frankly I don't think this was spam, as the thread was https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1424389.0 which is indeed dedicated to airdrop links.

The other post also deleted, was the same message translated in English, posted on another Airdrop English thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2726305.msg47513890#msg47513890

So, even if I'm not so fully convinced that I posted against the forum rules, my posts were deleted and I really don't care about that!! It's more than fine, I should forget about airdrops!

But was that the reason to perma ban my account?

I really hope that I can keep my love for this forum, and that I'm not forced to go away forever, as it seems the rules are clear in this case.
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November 22, 2018, 09:43:11 AM
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As per the report, you and a bunches of accounts were posting the airdrop link in various sections. I am not sure whether you have been banned for this reason or not.
 If you are banned for this only,I think there is a misunderstanding (barely can happen, I never have seen) since you have said that you have posted in a thread where airdrops link are posted.
Wait for output from a moderator.

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Legendary. Without reflink, but publish in wrong section.
I see that they publish in a variety of sections, trying to cover all sections of the forum. I think everyone of these posts is spam, except for those whose posts in the sections Bounties (Altcoins) and mb Tokens (Altcoins)

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November 22, 2018, 10:08:59 AM
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Just wait OP for some user that will come to check your profile on why your account has been banned. The modz are also human being so probably they could commit mistakes. But, modz has great percentage of accuracy on banning account. I suspect that it is plagiarism. I am still checking your profile history posts and probably will help to bump this thread so that other users can get in and help also with your case.

Again, I suspect that the banned was all about plagiarism so let us wait and see other user's input.

Update:

Your post
Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.

All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.

Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.

Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.

Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


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Message from Cryptopia:

Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.
All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.
Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.
Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.
Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


This will be good to be reported as plagiarism if only you put the reference then this could be a different story.



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November 22, 2018, 10:43:54 AM
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As above, plagiarism. This was the post that was reported:



this looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that. I've yet to understand why is more efficent then a DPoS system

I think I saw something similar in Multiversum blockchain project: it looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that, but I've yet to understand it correctly...


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November 22, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
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As above, plagiarism. This was the post that was reported:



this looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that. I've yet to understand why is more efficent then a DPoS system

I think I saw something similar in Multiversum blockchain project: it looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that, but I've yet to understand it correctly...


Ok, this sounds a very stupid thing I made, you are right. Don't even remember why I made it so, two months ago; it's not my normal way of contributing.

My last suggestions:
- users should be informed of their mistakes, so they don't repeat it (same as for deleted posts/threads, there should be a warning or an explanation)
- maybe reputation should consider these mistakes as opposite to merits, nobody is perfect but there should be an overall
- I appreciate your way of trying to keep the place clean, but direct ban to people that contributed most times in a proper way, and for years, to me it sounds a bit too much

Again, I made (at least) one mistake. As by rules (frankly I didn't read about this plagiarism strict rule before today, but it's my fault...) I'm out. If there's no mercy, this is my farewell to this community.

Ciao
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November 22, 2018, 11:48:06 AM
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it's not my normal way of contributing.
So, your normal way of contribution is-
Announcement (Altcoins)
Bounties (Altcoins)
Token (Altcoins)

Sometimes, your posts go with your username too.
pump=bump, some posts are looking like a clear bump.
How else you do contribute  Cheesy

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November 22, 2018, 11:51:31 AM
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Just wait OP for some user that will come to check your profile on why your account has been banned. The modz are also human being so probably they could commit mistakes. But, modz has great percentage of accuracy on banning account. I suspect that it is plagiarism. I am still checking your profile history posts and probably will help to bump this thread so that other users can get in and help also with your case.

Again, I suspect that the banned was all about plagiarism so let us wait and see other user's input.

Update:

Your post
Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.

All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.

Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.

Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.

Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


Original Post
Message from Cryptopia:

Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.
All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.
Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.
Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.
Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


This will be good to be reported as plagiarism if only you put the reference then this could be a different story.






LOL

Please be sensible that is not plagiarism that is a cryptopia announcement  posting that to alert people here who may not have seen the notice their coins are danger if they do not see this is totally helpful.

Let's not start being completely crazy here.

His other one yes that is stupid error. I wonder if there are more or just an isolated case?

You can see it is announcement from cryptopia in the first line.  


@s therapist

What exactly do you mean about the Announcement board in the altcoins section? I don't see what you mean?








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Ok, this sounds a very stupid thing I made, you are right. Don't even remember why I made it so, two months ago; it's not my normal way of contributing.

My last suggestions:
- users should be informed of their mistakes, so they don't repeat it (same as for deleted posts/threads, there should be a warning or an explanation)
- maybe reputation should consider these mistakes as opposite to merits, nobody is perfect but there should be an overall
- I appreciate your way of trying to keep the place clean, but direct ban to people that contributed most times in a proper way, and for years, to me it sounds a bit too much

Again, I made (at least) one mistake. As by rules (frankly I didn't read about this plagiarism strict rule before today, but it's my fault...) I'm out. If there's no mercy, this is my farewell to this community.

Ciao


Nobody should need a warning to not plagiarise content. It blows my mind that people even think to do this and there's no excuses for it, but that's greed and laziness for you. You can argue that it's harsh but that's how it is around here right now unless theymos says otherwise. I agree the rules or punishments for plagiarism should be displayed somewhere more prominent and shown upon sign-up, but again, this is only something theymos can implement.


LOL

Please be sensible that is not plagiarism that is a cryptopia announcement  posting that to alert people here who may not have seen the notice their coins are danger if they do not see this is totally helpful.

Let's not start being completely crazy here.

His other one yes that is stupid error. I wonder if there are more or just an isolated case?

You can see it is announcement from cryptopia in the first line.  

There's usually more but one is all you need for a ban. Staff aren't going to go though all their posts and tally up all the ones we can find as it's just a colossal waste of time. I probably wouldn't have banned him for that ICO announcement but it still should be properly quoted and sourced. 

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His other one yes that is stupid error. I wonder if there are more or just an isolated case?  

Judging by the appeals we see on Meta, the most common reason for banned accounts is pliagarism and passing works and contents of others as you own idea. The mods could express liniency in other cases, but on the issue of copying and pasting or worse,  copying, spinning words and pasting there is no softer penalty and should not be.

And I don't think it matters whether it's an isolated case. The rules are straightforward, and available for all to read and adhere to.

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hillarious etc

are you referring to the penguin coin swap  announcement?

I don't consider it a waste of time for a legend account in light of what theymos has said, the reporter (not the mod) should have the onus on them to evaluate the account they are reporting and suggest a punishment. There can be many reporters but hardly any mods.

Or another possibility is  offending legend pay a mod 0.1 BTC to review it properly and see if they consider it to meet certain criteria to be net positive.

I am seeing a few legend accounts going now. These are not you typical bot spammers and frequent plagiarist text spinners that are ruining the board.  Well not unless there are frequent instances not being reported.




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you are wrong. and it is easy to comment when your account is a few days old and not something that people may have put years of hard work into. also you have not spend years reading constantly here have any concept of the history of some legends here and what difference they have made.

it is quite annoying to see people here 5 mins and at time gloating at legends getting banned for 1 or 2 mistakes.

what are you even doing on meta? i know this is the easiest place to gain merits but get on on the real boards and start becoming parts of crypto projects , join some communities, contribute to them, learn, find what ones have real passionate developers with specialised use cases and are capable of finishing their designs. What are you doing lurking around a board you have no real connection to as yet on the sub board concerned with the mechanism of how to improve the function of the board.?? seems weird i didnt even know about meta for several years.









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He's a repeat offender:

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November 22, 2018, 12:23:24 PM
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He's a repeat offender:

ABCC exchange is running trading competition while listing EDG: they are going to reward Edgeless community with 500,000EDG prize pool!

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If you keep 100EDG in ABCC account, you will receive 3EDG
If your trading volume is over 500EDG, you will receive 500EDG. Only the first 50 users are eligible for the rewards.
If your trading volume is over 100EDG but under 500EDG, or if you miss the first 50 slots, they will randomly distribute 10 to 60EDG to you.

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https://abcc.com/signup?aff=7523a4

ABCC is running trading competition when listing EDG. We are going to reward Edgeless community with 500,000EDG prize pool!

When?

11–18 June (UTC+8, starting and ending at 10am)

Start trading EDG on ABCC and win your rewards now.

How to participate?

Trade EDG on ABCC (Buy + Sell):

    If you keep 100EDG in ABCC account, you will receive 3EDG. Deposit Now
    If your trading volume is over 500EDG, you will receive 500EDG. Only the first 50 users are eligible for the rewards. Trade now
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Fair enough case closed.

Why do they even appeal if it just not 1 or 2 mistake and not for financial gain.

Best thing to make a sticky telling them to check they are not just general plagiarist offenders who seek only financial gain.

What a waste of a legend account. These are not going to be that easy to build from scratch now.

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Why do they even appeal if it just not 1 or 2 mistake and not for financial gain.

Yeah, that ABCC one is particularly damning since it was blatant plagiarism and he attached his own referral link to the bottom. A complete waste of an account, as you say, but I have little sympathy for people who have been on the forum for years and haven't once bothered to read the forum rules. We teach children not to copy each other's schoolwork/homework. Why would grown adults think this is acceptable behavior?

Still, on the plus side, we get two more boxes marked off on our bingo cards!

Don't even remember why I made it so, two months ago

direct ban to people that contributed most times in a proper way, and for years, to me it sounds a bit too much




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Let me plagiarize the Bible: First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

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I never visited this meta forum section before today, but quickly learned that this is the place to gain merits:

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Let me plagiarize the Bible: First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

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Payment received, many thanks.


I never visited this meta forum section before today, but quickly learned that this is the place to gain merits:

what are you even doing on meta? i know this is the easiest place to gain merits


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If you had read my post clearly you would have noticed I was replying to Kopyleft on that part.  
That is why it says @kopyleft, anything under that notice is for the attention of kopyleft.

I am sad you lost your legend account. I was trying to help you but it seems there are too many instances for me to try to build a case in your favour.

 I still think even though there were several instances they are still like announcements now that i look at them again really so it's not exactly as trying to claim as your own work. but then adding ref link will might mark you down I am just saying that due to more being found quickly by people it is hard to fight against it.

However if they are banning for just 1 and there are lots there is no point to try now unless they are all announcements? the cryptopia one is an announcement so I would let that one be okay for sure....especially as that one is to actually help people get their coins swapped over before it is too late.

 This is vital piece of information actually or people can lose a lot of money. That post kopyleft wrongly mentioned is actually worthy of merit for you really. I will explain why. People owning coins getting swapped for new coins often will not tell others because the less swapped over the more their stake is. So the fact you are telling people actually does tell me you are not actually a scammer. telling people of a swap date actually reduces your stake. I have missed out on a few swaps that cost me quite a bit.

I suspect it was lost in the language barrier that I was trying to help you??  I am the only person here that feels legends generally should be allowed a couple of small mistakes over the years.


Oh well.

Your best hope is directly with theymos I would say.







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I suspect it was lost in the language barrier that I was trying to help you??  I am the only person here that feels legends generally should be allowed a couple of small mistakes over the years.

Appreciated your help, thanks! My mistakes are there, even if there should be a lot to say for each quoted case, I can't delete them.

My point is, what would happen if each single user is "scanned" like me today? How many would survive?

Since I read mainly the altcoin sections, I would say that 90% of posters there should be banned, if the rules would be strictly applied. But I don't think this is the way of handling a community, banning everybody.

Some people commenting this thread have rather new accounts, and since the very first post, they completely respect the rules and make no mistakes. They born with all this "how-to" knowledge, or they just opened another account and they are here to gain merit as you stated, which is once again against the rules?

In almost 5 years, I posted over 1600 posts. Is it correct to ban me because I made some mistakes? My overall reputation and positive feedbacks are nothing? Did somebody complain about me or my posts, except the one that I clearly copied? Zero tolerance for everybody, or only for me?

I think this forum has the privilege to lead a movement. It should include more and more people, not only kick them out.

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I suspect it was lost in the language barrier that I was trying to help you??  I am the only person here that feels legends generally should be allowed a couple of small mistakes over the years.

Appreciated your help, thanks! My mistakes are there, even if there should be a lot to say for each quoted case, I can't delete them.

My point is, what would happen if each single user is "scanned" like me today? How many would survive?

Since I read mainly the altcoin sections, I would say that 90% of posters there should be banned, if the rules would be strictly applied. But I don't think this is the way of handling a community, banning everybody.

Some people commenting this thread have rather new accounts, and since the very first post, they completely respect the rules and make no mistakes. They born with all this "how-to" knowledge, or they just opened another account and they are here to gain merit as you stated, which is once again against the rules?

In almost 5 years, I posted over 1600 posts. Is it correct to ban me because I made some mistakes? My overall reputation and positive feedbacks are nothing? Did somebody complain about me or my posts, except the one that I clearly copied? Zero tolerance for everybody, or only for me?

I think this forum has the privilege to lead a movement. It should include more and more people, not only kick them out.




I would introduce zero tolerance from today forward not for early days offences for sure. But legends whom have even some posts predating the rules and from an era where there was hardly any incentive to post for profit then I would certainly give some chances to them. Not instant ban.

Honestly if you look lots of legends have been banned already. I am concerned we will lose lots of legends. I would prefer to lose only scammers and spammers really if possible.

It may be worth it making a thread of banned legends so that if later there is possibility of in depth evaluation later then you can be on it.

It's not good to see lengends banned I hate losing the older members.

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Zero tolerance for everybody, or only for me?

Zero tolerance for blatant plagiarism. Enforcement of other rules may be different and is not relevant to your situation.

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Zero tolerance for everybody, or only for me?

Zero tolerance for blatant plagiarism. Enforcement of other rules may be different and is not relevant to your situation.

Let me start this by saying I have actually made a mistake in this thread from what I can see. I thought he had more copy and pastes (which he has) and I salute the reporters for trying to weed out scammers. I was thinking this was case closed.

However....

Please study this carefully. I have a lot of sympathy for these particular copy and pastes the more I read them. I think he deserves another chance here. Or actually on the basis of these he is being misunderstood especially on some of them.

1. the cryptopia alert about the coins swap = great post worthy of merit - save people a lot of money and stop them getting scammed by devs who do sneaky swaps and keep vast bulks of the minting.

2. the other one is annoucement regarding the project on their face book and is just an obvious update for the community = worthy of merit too.

I am particularly sensitive to this one because I was asked to help a (great legitimate long term project) and I was going to be responsible for copy and pasting their latest twitter updates onto  the bitcointalk thread for them because they did not have time (no financial gain for me just doing it for free for them to keep the bitcointalk members updated on news.  I am more of a fan of bitcointalk than they are and the community thread here to me is more important that moving to slack and other places. It is important the community here for that project is kept updated. Not everyone checks the projects twitter or facebook really and projects can look dead even if a lot of work is being done and reported on social media.

He could have a strong case if there is not much more.  

I should have read it more clearly before.  I didn't see he was copy and pasting from the projects facebook news to the same projects thread. I originally though it was a lot more real plagiarism or scam posting.

I support the work reporters are doing 100% and it is a lot to ask them to find and then do a complete analysis.  However on the basis of just what is presented he looks like he isn't deserving of perma ban.

If there is more then I can't say but only going on what I have looked at so far.

News about a projects face book pasted to their thread is not negative it is very positive for this board. If people start leaving bitcointalk because the news updates are not here and having to go to the projects social media that is crap. Projects got their start here and should not after they have extracted btc feel they no longer need to appeal to the members of this forum or keep them informed.

If there is additional that are not beneficial that is a different matter.

I will try to prevent any legends getting banned for this unless they are truly plagiarists and negative to the board. However I do support the work of those reporting real plagiarism and getting the alt sections back to being more easy to use.




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Please study this carefully. I have a lot of sympathy for these particular copy and pastes the more I read them. I think he deserves another chance here. Or actually on the basis of these he is being misunderstood especially on some of them.

You're missing the point of why plagiarism is bad. It's not because the content is worthless. It might be very useful or even meritorious as you pointed out. It's because of the attempt to pass it as their own.

Had the OP added quote tags and source it would have been fine.

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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements, it's not like he was deceiving people with stolen content. A perm ban seems unfair imo.
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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements, it's not like he was deceiving people with stolen content. A perm ban seems unfair imo.

     I agree, I would think a commercial service would not mind that their announcement is being disseminated, even "plagiarized." Isn't that what going "viral" is all about? The only thing that they would have issue with is if the person modified the links to direct to a phishing website or other scam.
    However, it appears that the post that was actually reported was not an announcement but a direct copy paste of another user's brief analysis.

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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements, it's not like he was deceiving people with stolen content. A perm ban seems unfair imo.

I agree, I would think a commercial service would not mind that their announcement is being disseminated, even "plagiarized." Isn't that what going "viral" is all about? The only thing that they would have issue with is if the person modified the links to direct to a phishing website or other scam.

Is this what happened there ? or are you just giving an example of what we need to be careful about?

I mean I am willing to help people who have through nobodies fault really been struck off ( i mean reporters do good work i know this but we just need to make sure some done accidentally become snagged by the well meaning net)

I have not examined the entire post history but on these examples he seems to not be the kind of person we are desperate to rid the board of.

I hope staff will have another look at him and see what can be  done.

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I agree, I would think a commercial service would not mind that their announcement is being disseminated, even "plagiarized." Isn't that what going "viral" is all about? The only thing that they would have issue with is if the person modified the links to direct to a phishing website or other scam.

Is this what happened there ? or are you just giving an example of what we need to be careful about?

    Here is the post that was reported and acted upon.
As above, plagiarism. This was the post that was reported:



this looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that. I've yet to understand why is more efficent then a DPoS system

I think I saw something similar in Multiversum blockchain project: it looks like something like a DPoS chain where, delegates are Provisioners but in this case Blocks generation isn't a delegate's task but there other light nodes doing that, but I've yet to understand it correctly...

I suppose that it is a nice touch that the OP was more specific as to the project. However, he could have just put together his own words instead of copying someone's post and then modifying it. Even a ftfy quote would have been more appropriate.


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Please study this carefully. I have a lot of sympathy for these particular copy and pastes the more I read them. I think he deserves another chance here. Or actually on the basis of these he is being misunderstood especially on some of them.

You're missing the point of why plagiarism is bad. It's not because the content is worthless. It might be very useful or even meritorious as you pointed out. It's because of the attempt to pass it as their own.

Had the OP added quote tags and source it would have been fine.

Okay but a clear annoucement from  cryptopia ..... is clearly not your own work.

I do not think pasting relevant news from the project owners social media or alerting a bunch of people to fact their coins are about to get stolen in a swap by posting the exchanges announcement to the thread is something we should even consider worth a ban.

Are you saying we should ban some legend on the basis of this announcement copying and pasting to appropriate communities? Is this your serious opinion? Please tell me why you think this? Disregard any other factors at this time.




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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements

Please clarify, do you mean helpful posts like this one?




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Big wishes for this project to gain a massive success!




As a longstanding member, you probably know this rule already, but just in case:

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

Means you can't use your alt safariwave (and other alts) anymore:

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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements

Please clarify, do you mean helpful posts like this one?




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25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

Means you can't use your alt safariwave (and other alts) anymore:

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I don't think there is any need to have a go at this guy. He was commenting on the evidence provided.

We have all claimed airdrops at one time perhaps.

I remember I claimed 6 million US dollars once  for posting a couple of words here once.  I think we all copy and paste each other saying  I actually thought my own words up (since I didn't have mouse and was using a laptop i was not aware that the time that control c and v could do such things imagine when i found control z this is a life saver) "sounds awesome"  those days we were sensible about crediting prior art

However on this case I can spare no more time right now. Seems a minor offender and some of his copy and paste could have saved people losing their coins...I hope whatever the outcome it will be fair.

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Seems like he was only posting helpful annoucements

Please clarify, do you mean helpful posts like this one?




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November 22, 2018, 06:45:07 PM
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Okay but a clear annoucement from  cryptopia ..... is clearly not your own work.

I do not think pasting relevant news from the project owners social media or alerting a bunch of people to fact their coins are about to get stolen in a swap by posting the exchanges announcement to the thread is something we should even consider worth a ban.

Are you saying we should ban some legend on the basis of this announcement copying and pasting to appropriate communities? Is this your serious opinion? Please tell me why you think this? Disregard any other factors at this time.

I'm not fighting your army of straw people. Multiple copy-pasta examples have been provided. It costs nothing for the poster to add quotes and references. It is absurd to rely on some undefined potential leniency instead.

Again, the ban is not for the content. It's for the improper use of the content. If you plagiarize a college essay you're not getting away with a B- and a slap on the wrist if you get caught, even if you copy it from your BFF with her permission. So unless theymos explicitly tells us that posting announcements and other shit from external sites without references is acceptable - we should continue to assume that it's not.

Seems a minor offender and some of his copy and paste could have saved people losing their coins...I hope whatever the outcome it will be fair.

See that's why your whole "1 in 1000" defense is so fallacious. You get 1, 2, 3, 4 examples of copy pasta and it's still "a minor offender". You're wasting everyone's time by arguing these hopeless cases. Go and report a few hundred posts instead. There is no need to encourage shitposters.

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November 22, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
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Okay but a clear annoucement from  cryptopia ..... is clearly not your own work.

I do not think pasting relevant news from the project owners social media or alerting a bunch of people to fact their coins are about to get stolen in a swap by posting the exchanges announcement to the thread is something we should even consider worth a ban.

Are you saying we should ban some legend on the basis of this announcement copying and pasting to appropriate communities? Is this your serious opinion? Please tell me why you think this? Disregard any other factors at this time.

I'm not fighting your army of straw people. Multiple copy-pasta examples have been provided. It costs nothing for the poster to add quotes and references. It is absurd to rely on some undefined potential leniency instead.

Again, the ban is not for the content. It's for the improper use of the content. If you plagiarize a college essay you're not getting away with a B- and a slap on the wrist if you get caught, even if you copy it from your BFF with her permission. So unless theymos explicitly tells us that posting announcements and other shit from external sites without references is acceptable - we should continue to assume that it's not.

Let's stay civil if possible,.  forget whether you consider it a strawman. I just want to know if you have an opinion. I mean you are not a bot right so you have a human mind that can form an opinion of your own.


can you answer my question ? I am just interested in your answer. There is no reason not to answer and make your position clear.

Do you want to see legends/anyone banned for copy and pasting an announcement that is very useful to members of their community and is quite clearly not their own work and is simply a copy and pasted announcement from an exchange ?

Yes you think they should be banned or NO you do not think they should.

How much copy and paste or paraphrasing is allowed. I mean are you saying if you can prove what is copy and paste spliced with own words originates with another party then they should be banned?

2 questions contained.

To answer your second point this does not crush my 1 in 1000 offences idea. I do not think the cryptopia announcement would count as anything other than being useful. The other one where he admitted he was lazy would. As they stack up I guess it gets harder to make a case but so far I see nothing to say he is dangerous of creating a problem with the forum.

Guides helping people prevent loss of investment and reducing his own stake is not posting "other shit"  this is preventing people getting burned and leaving this arena feeling cheated and disillusioned.

Honestly I believe people who are meta hermits have not got a complete understanding of this environment. That is not being nasty to anyone this is honestly what I think. You need to have experience of being is many different positions as a supporter of multiple projects and experience many different scenarios which most will have not experienced from dealing with just btc or living in meta.

To understand how useful or not useful something is sometimes requires you to have been in a position where such information could have been presented to you is. These are sometimes not obvious unless you have had to find out the hard way for yourself.







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November 22, 2018, 07:18:28 PM
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Do you want to see legends/anyone banned for copy and pasting an announcement that is very useful to members of their community and is quite clearly not their own work and is simply a copy and pasted announcement from an exchange ?

I hate long-winded contrived loaded questions but I'll humor you on this one.

Under the current rules - yes, they should be banned. It should not be up to moderators to try and figure out the "usefulness" or some other merits (no pun intended) of copy-pasta.

In an ideal world I would prefer castration signature removal or a 500 merit penalty as an alternative punishment for the first offence. That way a truly accidental/unintentional 1-in-a-1000 infraction would not be fatal but 2 or 3 would be.

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I am sad you lost your legend account. I was trying to help you but it seems there are too many instances for me to try to build a case in your favour.
I don't know why you're spending time trying to defend these people anyway.  Anyone with a Legendary account ought to know the rules and even if they didn't, they still ought to know plagiarism is wrong.

You are definitely a bleeding heart on a forum where there needs to be more strictness and less tolerance of crap like this, because plagiarism/account sales/shitposting/greed/stupidity are all rampant.  No need to mourn the loss of a Legendary account unless it's your own.  That's just my opinion, and don't take that as an attack on you personally.  We had a major disagreement over the Rambotnic situation, but most of these other cases are pretty cut and dried.

I respect the fact that you don't want to see injustice, but if a ban is handed out wrongly, more likely than not Theymos will reverse it.

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November 22, 2018, 07:53:01 PM
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Do you want to see legends/anyone banned for copy and pasting an announcement that is very useful to members of their community and is quite clearly not their own work and is simply a copy and pasted announcement from an exchange ?

I hate long-winded contrived loaded questions but I'll humor you on this one.

Under the current rules - yes, they should be banned. It should not be up to moderators to try and figure out the "usefulness" or some other merits (no pun intended) of copy-pasta.

In an ideal world I would prefer castration signature removal or a 500 merit penalty as an alternative punishment for the first offence. That way a truly accidental/unintentional 1-in-a-1000 infraction would not be fatal but 2 or 3 would be.

I think I should take this as a NO. Since I asked what you would like to see.

That is a credit to you. 1 in 1000 seems reasonable.  

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I do not defend the person I defend the right to a fair decision based on observable events or evidence at hand.

I once did not do enough for a person that was getting bullied. I have regretted it severely and although it was too late to help them I always try to help achieve a fair solution when I get the opportunity.

Legends some for sure have put a lot of work into this forum. A couple of mistakes are not why we are coming down hard on copy and paste right now as we all know.

There is no need for emotion really. I simply think the more you put in the more you can expect back.

I did not fall out with you on that thread. I simply feel you were wrong. If you felt you were correct in light of all evidence I presented then there was no need for me to fall out with you. I was glad I could help that person to what I considered a better position than if I had not found that case. I remember you from way back. I didn't like how you continued to say dash was a good project after my great cake analogy that you enjoyed... i was certain you would see how unfair and terrible that manner of distribution was (back then). But you are not a scammer so I just figured we can not all have the same view of what is fair.  

I am  sure over all that you are net positive here, so i would stick up for you if there was a couple of mistakes in your post history that one day may be grounds for your banning. If it didn't seem fair I would help you. If that makes me a bleeding heart that is of no consequence to me.




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November 22, 2018, 08:32:24 PM
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I think I should take this as a NO. Since I asked what you would like to see.

That is a credit to you. 1 in 1000 seems reasonable.  

Yeah I knew you would like it if I threw "1 in 1000" in.

Except I haven't seen any such phenomenon yet. If there is 1 usually there's 2 and 3 as well. My suggestion for a softer penalty was aimed at reducing the bitching about bans and reducing the need for someone to go digging for that 2nd or 3rd offence, because that time is better spent reporting another 100 shitposters.

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I think I should take this as a NO. Since I asked what you would like to see.

That is a credit to you. 1 in 1000 seems reasonable.  

Yeah I knew you would like it if I threw "1 in 1000" in.

Except I haven't seen any such phenomenon yet. If there is 1 usually there's 2 and 3 as well. My suggestion for a softer penalty was aimed at reducing the bitching about bans and reducing the need for someone to go digging for that 2nd or 3rd offence, because that time is better spent reporting another 100 shitposters.

I did like it. Thanks.

Now. I am actually devising a system that will deal with all of this. I am counting actually on your support. I am not a master of game theory though so I will need it stress  tested before implementation.

In return I will allow you to continue to benefit from my prior art without " " nor full citation and  I will not insist you pay me 0.1 btc to review your post history. Nor even report you. People may say I am making favourites here but I  say to them become a legend with 13k posts and spend hours  helping return the alt discussion to usable form and you too can benefit from my toil.

If you had supported my call for junior boards even if just for the alt discussion you would probably not need be spending your time doing those reports you could be feeling very positive for rewarding the good instead of punishing the bad.



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November 23, 2018, 08:52:17 AM
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My point is, what would happen if each single user is "scanned" like me today? How many would survive?
You are free to scan and find the answer.

Since I read mainly the altcoin sections, I would say that 90% of posters there should be banned, if the rules would be strictly applied. But I don't think this is the way of handling a community, banning everybody.
You are correct that banning everybody is not a way to build a community, but welcoming everybody is also not a way to build a community when they do not fit the bill.

In almost 5 years, I posted over 1600 posts. Is it correct to ban me because I made some mistakes? My overall reputation and positive feedbacks are nothing? Did somebody complain about me or my posts, except the one that I clearly copied? Zero tolerance for everybody, or only for me?
Apart for plagiarism, you are in spammers list   too.

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November 23, 2018, 09:41:13 AM
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I just only think that a legendary account was being wasted while other are diligently to rank up even in member rank. Sad but OP has already move on with the loss. Let us always be careful to copy and paste post from articles or other peoples work for it really be resulted to banning account.

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Thanks ALL for discussing my case and for underlining my full or partial mistakes.

Once again, I would ask to reconsider my account not only for mistakes, but also if I made something good for the forum and community over the years. If I will be here in future, for sure I learned the lesson.

As somebody suggested, only Theymos could revoke my ban, so could somebody please ask him to give his final opinion so I don't bother anymore?

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Thanks ALL for discussing my case and for underlining my full or partial mistakes.

Once again, I would ask to reconsider my account not only for mistakes, but also if I made something good for the forum and community over the years. If I will be here in future, for sure I learned the lesson.

As somebody suggested, only Theymos could revoke my ban, so could somebody please ask him to give his final opinion so I don't bother anymore?

Thanks

He probably doesn’t have time for this. You broke the rules and you got banned. Usually it doesn’t matter if you did a lot of « great » for the forum over the years.

Learn the lesson this way: always read the rules first, and never break them. Otherwise, you may lose everything you earned over the years (i.e your account). Just move on.

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He probably doesn’t have time for this. You broke the rules and you got banned. Usually it doesn’t matter if you did a lot of « great » for the forum over the years.



If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

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He probably doesn’t have time for this. You broke the rules and you got banned. Usually it doesn’t matter if you did a lot of « great » for the forum over the years.



If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.
I agree with you. I know yeswepump because he's a member of the Italian community and he's always been very active and helpful with several projects/bounties. He made a few mistakes but banning him in my opinion is a bit too much, maybe a suspension would have been better especially because he recognized more than once in this thread that he was wrong, it would be a pity losing a good user like him.
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If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.

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Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.

Thanks SaltySpitoon for your reflection. Since I have already admitted my faults, and that I hadn't read this meta section before today (I suppose this can't be my fault if I read other sections and not this one), and that I was not aware of this direct permaban for plagiarism (again my fault - the mother of all my faults!), my humble request is to receive a penalty that is not permanent.

I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact) so most people here will say that I can just leave forever, since they are perfect while I'm the sinner.

My request is to Theymos, which people tells me is the only one that can remove permabans, in order to be judged not only for my 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever sins, but also for my contributions made over the years.

In other words, instead of death penalty, I humbly request any other kind of clemency.

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I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact) so most people here will say that I can just leave forever, since they are perfect while I'm the sinner.

Is this true? Kind of weird and ironic. It is where a lot of Merit sources / holders hang out but I'm personally here for the entertainment.

Reported for plagiarism:

I'm reasonably confident

I'm reasonably confident

J/K... i think copyright infringement is at least 7 words in a row anyway

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I already know that people in this meta section is here mainly to gain merits (another thing I didn't know before this fact)

Nah. Most people are actually just in Meta to try get their ban for plagiarism removed.

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Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.

All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.

Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.

Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.

Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


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Cryptopia is pleased to announce support for the upcoming Penguin (PENG) coin swap.
All PENG balances held on Cryptopia by the 25th of August 2018 will be swapped 10:1 to the new PENG coin.
Please complete any PENG deposits and trades on Cryptopia before the 25th of August 2018 23:00 UTC for them to be credited and swapped to the new coin. Any transactions after this time may not be credited.
Old PENG transactions will not be supported after the 25th of August 2018.
Cryptopia will implement the new PENG wallet and credit users with 1 new PENG coin for every 10 old coins once we've completed our swap procedure. We will provide any further updates as they become available.


This will be good to be reported as plagiarism if only you put the reference then this could be a different story.

It seems quite obvious to me that the copied content was from Cryptopia, even without "quotes" or "reference" even though it should've been noted that the author was Cryptopia. E.g. that "We will provide..." obviously hints that it's a copy paste from some announcement by Cryptopia. Or in other words, I don't see that anyone really took this content to be written by the banned user, as it is obvious that it's Cryptopia's announcement. Not something that plagiarism is...

Also AFAIK it's allowed to create an alt account to appeal for the ban, which is not considered as ban evasion itself.

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It seems quite obvious to me that the copied content was from Cryptopia, even without "quotes" or "reference" even though it should've been noted that the author was Cryptopia. E.g. that "We will provide..." obviously hints that it's a copy paste from some announcement by Cryptopia. Or in other words, I don't see that anyone really took this content to be written by the banned user, as it is obvious that it's Cryptopia's announcement. Not something that plagiarism is...

I agree with you regarding this one post from Cryptopia, but if you read down the thread, he has been busted multiple times for plagiarism. On one occasion he even pasted his own referral link at the bottom of a plagiarized post - i.e. he knew fine well what he was doing and was doing it for monetary gain.

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If you did a lot of great work for this forum I hope one copy and paste would not be a perm ban. Depending on severity of the instance. We are trying to rid the forum of serial spammers who have nothing to say of their own that is of any value and is just there to gain them a few bucks promoting some spam campaign. I would not want to get rid of many good legend members for this kind of thing.

Nope, the rules apply to everyone. Copy and pasting is absolutely not tolerated here. There is never a case where you will accidentally plagiarise. We've previously talked about plagarism spam vs incorrectly cited passages, so I hope we don't need to further discuss what if scenarios. Whether you are a legendary account or not, you shouldn't have any impunity to the rules. If you are here to gain a few bucks promoting some spam campaign, as long as you don't spam, its fine. The second you start spamming, you are detracting from other's forum experience to earn those few bucks, and need to be politely told to leave. A few years ago, the only copy and paste spam reports that I recall seeing were just bots advertising ED medicine or something. People just copy and pasting other people's posts is a relatively new thing. Its started because of signature advertising, its unbelievably lazy, and there can't be any tolerance for it.

The people who have been here for years and have done a lot of great work aren't here for the signature ads that incentive's spamming. Even if they are, they know better than to spam, and can get their post counts up by continuing to be helpful and do the same great work they've been doing all along. Copy and pasting posts is just lazy. If you want an excuse to get your post count up, go help some newbies, don't try to artificially inflate your post count with spam.

Look at that, this upped my post count by 1, but I'm reasonably confident it wont be reported as spam.


I'm sorry to disagree with you since you seem like a decent guy for sure.

Copy and paste is context dependent for a perm ban. I can't think how what Theymos has said said can be interpreted any other way in his most recent post on the matter.

Of course the context will be ultimately up to Theymos. Also if he even has time to review it. So that could be unlikely. Unless there was a huge outcry about someone being banned like in the case of anonymint.  Perm banning his account was a bad idea since a lot of posts he made were of great value to many including new persons seeking information. He could have just has his account frozen so he could not post but to delete all his 40k posts was quite a big loss to the board imho.

Guides, jokes , and being helpful with no financial motivation should obviously not get a legend banned. That is totally not in the spirit of this board. I have no idea why anyone would like to see that even happen.

No black and white, no robotic attitude, just simple human decision based on the individual circumstances. Imagine you found someone like gmaxwell had in all of his posts accidentally missed a reference in something he had posted. Would we simply say bye bye to one of the smartest people here for good and delete all of his posts?

Nobody is above the rules because I would not even want a newbie banned for honestly trying to be helpful.... but even less a legend that has done a lot of good to help a lot of people.

Of course others doing this to bump post counts and earn a few bucks need to be deleted.

I don't know why people are still saying that the punishment is not context dependent after Theymos last post. He is actually a very sensible and balanced person from what I can tell and would not like to see this kind of thing spiral out of control.

Of course I see the issue with not making it black and white hence why there needs to be the option of paying 0.1 btc to have your account fully reviewed if you believe you are net positive after copy and paste (not guides for noobs to mine, not humour from films etc) forund on your account.

I agree no way to have people above the rules but still we need a sensible approach where we can get rid of the spammers/scammers but not ban the net positive.

Also going back too far is strange, I mean this was not something that was policed before so going back 3 years is enough, that was really before all financially motivated people with no real enthusiasm for the environment we all want to create here turned up. If someone has made a mistake 3 years ago and not since seems very weird to punish them harshly now. I know you can't murder someone and 3 years later expect to get let off but let's remain sensible in our comparisons.

Let's clean up the board but try to not remove any net positive contributors.

I can not say about this person but he has said he would be more than willing to pay 0.1 btc for review so to me he sounds confident unless he likes blowing money away.

I am not putting blame anywhere because it is a nightmare to try and keep the board in a state that is practical for all. However legends do deserve review if they believe they are net positive over the years. That is years of work just deleted so this does need a lot of consideration. I mean I can't imagine what anonymint must feel after having years of work deleted. Some people really have over the years poured HUGE effort into helping others and stopping them getting scammed and also trying to teach them things.

This board has been the best board on the net for years ... so to suddenly be banned from it would be a dreadful thing. Let's have some empathy for others.

1 in 1000 seems reasonable of course not for financial reasons too.

Let's start with temp ban +rank reduction merit reduction. Perm ban straight away for everyone for any copy paste is too harsh.














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I think that the only question everyone should answer is: Is this permanent ban too much? Is it possible that the decision of a single user can cause a pemanent ban?
I am not happy with this kind of ban because they will destroy bitcointalk forum, banning good users.
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Angry I think that the only question everyone should answer is: Is this permanent ban too much?  Angry

Sad Is it possible that the decision of a single user can cause a pemanent ban? Sad

Cry I am not happy with this kind of ban because they will destroy bitcointalk forum, banning good users. Cry

The ban was reasonable and you should be temp-banned for whining about it.

Then, your temp ban should be made permanent for writing a Goodbye Cruel World post in the indirect form of a bitcointalk obituary.


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I do happen to think that some of the plagiarism perma bans are way overly harsh here. A 4.5 year old account here thrown straight in the bin.

Sad!

I think there should be a warning / temp ban first depending on the circumstances.

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One suggestion that was talked about is if the plagiarism is done due to monetary gains - the user would be permabanned.
If the plagiarism was caused due to forgetting to provide a source link or not giving credit to the original author - maybe a reconsideration if the complete post history of the user is positive and he made significant contributions to the forum. But it has been said that only one account was brought back from permabanned status.

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One suggestion that was talked about is if the plagiarism is done due to monetary gains - the user would be permabanned.
If the plagiarism was caused due to forgetting to provide a source link or not giving credit to the original author - maybe a reconsideration if the complete post history of the user is positive and he made significant contributions to the forum. But it has been said that only one account was brought back from permabanned status.

Totally agree with the points made in the quoted post. There should be movement for a reprieve in some cases. Imagine copying & pasting something you find interesting or useful that you want to share but forget to credit the original source, you then lose your account that you’ve had for years.

 I definitely think they need to have a think about the plagiarism rules. I’m sure 95% of plagiarism is done by shit posters to fill sig campaign quotas or shill shit tokens or ICO’s but there will definitely be exceptions & I don’t think it’s fair to lose your account for a genuine mistake.

Perhaps a panel of 3 DT1 or DT2 members make a decision where majority rule decides the fate of accounts. I definitely do not think plagiarism = total ban. There should be wriggle room for genuine posters who make a mistake.

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Perhaps a panel of 3 DT1 or DT2 members make a decision where majority rule decides the fate of accounts. I definitely do not think plagiarism = total ban. There should be wriggle room for genuine posters who make a mistake.

This has nothing to do with DT. It is forum policy  that theymos need to decide whether he want the alternative punishment or not.
And do not be lenient with plagiarist , because it take too much time and effort to find them.

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