The situation with IRAN

[aliashraf]

Disclaimer:
As a resident of Iran, I'm obviously biased toward my nation, the people who I personally know and well, mostly love. A great country it is, Iran. Thousand years of history, a very fantastic, sophisticated and sweet language FARSI (persian) which has absorbed a lot of words and concepts from Arabic pertaining its own unique and well formed grammar and rich treasury of vocabulary which has given birth to one of the most beautiful and important parts of humanity literature heritage. I love this country and its nation and I'm honored to be biased defending its right to survive and to develop.

Obviously Trump administration in the US is a global disaster (Ironic isn't it? US citizens vote on behalf of us and determine our fate!) but its worst political behavior is withdrawing from Iran nuclear deal and reinitiating the most brutal sanctions against Iran, with no excuse and no international support. Sanctions that are described as "the strongest ever in history" by US officials. In the heart of them a row of harsh restrictions  against Iran banking system, including its central bank, Bank Markazi.

Now it would be the challenge: How could bitcoin help people of Iran to resist against this dirty invasion? Isn't it the right time for bitcoiners to prove themselves as true libertarians?

I mean we have Faketoshi Wright who represents everything against bitcoin on one side but who is representing bitcoin, true bitcoin on the other side?
And what the hell other bitcoiners are doing?
Most of the prominent figures have disclosed their identities and are vulnerable to SEC/NSA prosecution and have no choice other than playing coward, I suppose.

I didn't start it to discuss about how idiot Trump is or is not, or to argue in favor of a fuckedup regime like what we've in Iran.

I'm just asking about how faithful and honest we are and how could we help people of Iran to be able to do a fair "non-nuclear" trade like buying food, drugs, weed, civil air plane parts, ... ?

Believe it or not  International Court of Justice recently ordered US to lift Iran sanctions, which Trump says he would not follow at all. Apparently it is because America has recently become great again and does not care about what the remaining 96% of human beings think or want!

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[DooMAD]

Iran have suffered with far too much Western meddling over the years, mostly from the US and Britain.  As far as I'm concerned, they're well within their rights to circumvent these ridiculous sanctions.  If Iran ends up using Bitcoin, or some other form of cryptocurrency, to achieve that, it would prove beyond doubt that the traditional banking system is becoming weaker and that there is a viable alternative.  If America want to maintain dominance through the dollar, this could easily backfire on them.  America won't be able to use money as a weapon if people don't solely rely on using that particular type of money.  Sanctions would effectively hurt America more than the nations they try to sanction if the result is that other nations adopt crypto instead. 

[aliashraf]

Doomad, for a dedicated anti-fud warrior, you are full of surprise  

Seriously, appreciate the support. You are so correct about the sanctions historical impact as it proves how vulnerable to censorship and bullism is the status of fiat currencies generally and USD especially.

[franky1]

Disclaimer:
As a resident of Iran, I'm obviously biased toward my nation, the people who I personally know and well, mostly love. A great country it is, Iran. Thousand years of history, a very fantastic, sophisticated and sweet language FARSI (persian) which has absorbed a lot of words and concepts from Arabic pertaining its own unique and well formed grammar and rich treasury of vocabulary which has given birth to one of the most beautiful and important parts of humanity literature heritage. I love this country and its nation and I'm honored to be biased defending its right to survive and to develop.

Obviously Trump administration in the US is a global disaster
 ...
Sanctions that are described as "the strongest ever in history" by US officials. In the heart of them a row of harsh restrictions  against Iran banking system, including its central bank, Bank Markazi.

first thing first. mentioning the media tripe of trump, sanctions is meaningless
thats like saying 2008 western world banks didnt make profit

what you need to do is get to the crux of the issue. how does "sanctions" personally affect average joe.
EG western world. not making profit=a smack to sub prime and causing people to get forclosed/ lose homes, banks shut down, people cant just get cash out the ATM from a couple banks.

secondly
once you know how it affcts average joe you can then start finding the issues to then find solutions

Now it would be the challenge: How could bitcoin help people of Iran to resist against this dirty invasion? Isn't it the right time for bitcoiners to prove themselves as true libertarians?

bitcoin is code. it has no arms, no legs, no voice. no political preference.
the real question is how can people of iran help themselves by using bitcoin. isnt it the right time for iranians to show they are libertarians and use bitcoin

I mean we have Faketoshi Wright who represents everything against bitcoin on one side but who is representing bitcoin, true bitcoin on the other side?
And what the hell other bitcoiners are doing?
Most of the prominent figures have disclosed their identities and are vulnerable to SEC/NSA prosecution and have no choice other than playing coward, I suppose.

I didn't start it to discuss about how idiot Trump is or is not, or to argue in favor of a fuckedup regime like what we've in Iran.

bitcoin has nothing to do with craig and craig has nothing to do with bitcoin..
think of craig and ver as kloe and kylie kardashians, not trump and hillary.. then you will understand the social drama of it
well.. craig is more like kanye west.. says he is a politician.. but.. yea nothing

I'm just asking about how faithful and honest we are and how could we help people of Iran to be able to do a fair "non-nuclear" trade like buying food, drugs, weed, civil air plane parts, ... ?

again bitcoin is code not AI
people of iran need to do the leg work. ask their merchants to use bitcoin so iranians can buy brad from those merchants.
you will not see bitcoin get a passport and makea phone call.. its just code

Iranians that use bitcoin are the iranian "bitcoiners".

Believe it or not  International Court of Justice recently ordered US to lift Iran sanctions, which Trump says he would not follow at all. Apparently it is because America has recently become great again and does not care about what the remaining 96% of human beings think or want!

asking code to grow legs or pointing fingers at a yellow wigged orange that lives thousands of miles away from you. solves nothing.
try instead to sort out a local meetup in your town for iranians to discuss bitcoin. learn about it, use it..
then find out popular grocery stores iranian bitcoiners would use and organise convincing that local merchant to accept bitcoin solves the problem in your town

[aliashraf]

@franky1,

Ofcourse I'm aware of the requirement for bitcoin adoption to be boosted in Iran.  Actually it is being a while since bitcoin has become popular here. But it is not about adoption:

1- Bitcoin is not resistant enough against surveillance pseudonymity is not doing fine in this regard.

2- Centralized exchanges are increasingly impose KYC/AML measure and besides discriminations against Iranians, are potentially ready to follow US regulatory authorities orders to disclose private informations about their clients and they would be more comfortable to do this against Iranians as there would be no legal consequences. In 2017, Bittrex stole hundreds of thousands worth of crypto from us, no consequences.

3- Bitcoin developers have disclosed their identity, hence they are vulnerable to US local federal authorities prosecutions.

4- Craig Wright fights for a fully regulated bitcoin but nobody is fighting for a permissionless, fully resistant bitcoin, resistant against censorship.

And no, you are not correct about bitcoin being a piece of code or a device. Originally bitcoin is the most important part of a resistance agenda. Actually we have Axiom of Resistance.

[franky1]

2- Centralized exchanges are increasingly impose KYC/AML measure and besides discriminations against Iranians, are potentially ready to follow US regulatory authorities orders to disclose private informations about their clients and they would be more comfortable to do this against Iranians as there would be no legal consequences. In 2017, Bittrex stole hundreds of thousands worth of crypto from us, no consequences.

3- Bitcoin developers have disclosed their identity, hence they are vulnerable to US local federal authorities prosecutions.

4- Craig Wright fights for a fully regulated bitcoin but nobody is fighting for a permissionless, fully resistant bitcoin, resistant against censorship.

And no, you are not correct about bitcoin being a piece of code or a device. Originally bitcoin is the most important part of a resistance agenda. Actually we have Axiom of Resistance.

2. then dont use centralised exchanges.
EG organise a meetup of local people. ask the people that turn up to raise the left hand if they are a buyer and a right hand if they are wanting to sell.. and let them work out whos who and trade at the meetup

3. bitcoin developers again are thousands of miles away. when you decide to get a group of people to meet up at a coffee shop or some rent-for the-day office conference space. has no tie to devs/us government. you will not find on the blockchain that transactions were done at the coffee shop.

4- stop talking about kanyewest kardashian drama. it has nothing to do with bitcoin. he is just dancing around to "im a little teapot"

4-as for permissionless bitcoin. thats something world wide.. i thought you were looking for iranian solution tobuy bread, choose the battles you wish to solve and build a community to then join the war on permissioned transactions, and single "REFERNCE client" source of code issues

5-bitcoin is code. the axiom of resistance is human. again you cant ask code to change a human. but you can ask a human to change code. its then for the human to change their life by using the code or not. the code is not AI. it has no arms or legs. humans do. so organise the human to solve the situations using the tools available or to ask humans to make the tools.
bitcoin is NOT self programming. again its not AI

easy way to view it. replace the word bitcoin. with the word dollar
dollar is just dollar. its the humans that make the rules for dollar. (senators(bitcoin devs)) its the humans that decide to use the dollar(btc) its humans who "should" tell the other humans what rules should be allowed for the dollar rather than just let just one side decide how it should be for everyone.

[pooya87]

there are a lot of problems with using bitcoin.
first and foremost, the laws regarding bitcoin are not clear yet. they said "a team" is investigating and the talks were mostly positive but there has not been any actual law legalizing bitcoin or not.

then there is the fact that there aren't any decent exchanges where you can trade bitcoin! your option is P2P trading with high risks. and as you already know sanctions mean you can't use your bank account to deposit on exchanges such as kraken, coinbase, bitstamp,...

and as always we have the high volatility of bitcoin which turns everyone around. even when the local fiat is tanking, despite bitcoin drop the value of it stayed nearly the same in IRR!

my guess is that we will soon see an Iranian version of cryptocurrency similar to Petro since there has also been talks about it and they mentioned the project is on its way. i doubt it can solve anything or be remotely successful but i think that is the rout that is going to be taken.

[Kakmakr]

As long as you guys are not trying to circumvent those ridiculous sanctions, to buy nuclear weapons, then the rest of the world would support you. The worst thing for your country would be to use Bitcoin or Crypto currencies to do that and for the rest of the world to suffer, because of that. <Actions like that will just give regulators more ammunition to ban Crypto currencies> 

If ordinary citizens wants to use bitcoins to buy food and medicine to survive, then I would be the first person to support that. Governments should not initiate any actions that would cause ordinary people to suffer from hunger and paid and if they do, then people should use technology like Bitcoin to stop that. 

[TBboys]

I am very curious. I know that the Iranian government has always implemented the external website filtering policy for the domestic Internet, and this year the Iranian government has blocked VPN access, so how did you come here?
If you think your government is right, why are you using VPN?

[glenntalbot]

Hi man, I read that the United Stated banned Iran from the SWIFT system is that true? That you guys can’t access now payments from international banks or financial institutions.  

Can you still use Paypal, Payoneer, Payeer, Neteller or uphold or Zelle or any other wallets or payment services? I guess that many Iranians will start to use Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrencies now. I hope that everything works fine to you guys… good luck!  

[aliashraf]

there are a lot of problems with using bitcoin.
first and foremost, the laws regarding bitcoin are not clear yet. they said "a team" is investigating and the talks were mostly positive but there has not been any actual law legalizing bitcoin or not.

I guess, it is no more possible for bitcoiners to live in the gray zone, it is just fading out, the gray zone:

Trump needs even more centralization of power for running his version of Fascism, Putin has already centralized everything in Russia (again) and Chinese have no clue about what a non-centralized form of power could ever be.

In monetary systems, AML/KYC discourse is getting more aggressive on a daily basis, It is about Orwell 1984 rather than Satoshi Nakamoto 2009. The true force behind bitcoin falling down is this trend and the fact that bitcoiners are doing almost nothing about it other than sticking with their few coins and waiting for dick heads in regulatory agencies to show merci and absorb them in the so-called 'legal system'.

As a smart con artist, Craig Faketoshi Wrong has understood the situation and made a decision: "Don't be shy Craig, you've never been, choose the wrong side as usual and figure out a way to keep talking in public."

The rest of bitcoiners? They are just shy!

[aliashraf]

Hi man, I read that the United Stated banned Iran from the SWIFT system is that true? That you guys can’t access now payments from international banks or financial institutions.  

Can you still use Paypal, Payoneer, Payeer, Neteller or uphold or Zelle or any other wallets or payment services? I guess that many Iranians will start to use Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrencies now. I hope that everything works fine to you guys… good luck!  

That's true, as of now, Iranian banks access to SWIFT is cut and as an Iranian you need to go through a shameful forgery and denying/faking your identity to use Paypal and similar services to buy a graphics card from e-bay or pay for a newsletter subscription.

Thanks for the support, by the way.

[coinwizard_]

I thought iran was going to create their own currency like venezuela. If not then iranians should start stocking up on bitcoin, it is a good way to bypass sanctions. Monero is another good one to use

[aliashraf]

I thought iran was going to create their own currency like venezuela. If not then iranians should start stocking up on bitcoin, it is a good way to bypass sanctions. Monero is another good one to use

First of all, the idea of state cryptocurrency, is so absurd, it is not crypto, it is just another form of fiat.

Secondly, Iran government is really corrupted from the head to the tail. They look at every project in the country as an opportunity to steal some money from us. A bunch of stupid thefts they are who don't bother caring about anything other than winning the corruption competition in Iran. Apparently they feel being smart or something this way.

So, I seriously pray to god they might not start playing crypto games as they are good at ruining everything, I mean they've ruined the word revolution like forever, already.  

[countryfree]

Well, Iran has petrol. Quite a lot of it, I believe. So you may buy a generator and powerful computers to mine BTC. You will not be making a lot of money to begin with, but BTC shall allow you to buy things you couldn't get with your local Iranian currency.

Sorry if what I'm proposing is not very original, but that's the best BTC can do for you.

[mocker001]

there are a lot of problems with using bitcoin.
first and foremost, the laws regarding bitcoin are not clear yet. they said "a team" is investigating and the talks were mostly positive but there has not been any actual law legalizing bitcoin or not.

I guess, it is no more possible for bitcoiners to live in the gray zone, it is just fading out, the gray zone:

Trump needs even more centralization of power for running his version of Fascism, Putin has already centralized everything in Russia (again) and Chinese have no clue about what a non-centralized form of power could ever be.

In monetary systems, AML/KYC discourse is getting more aggressive on a daily basis, It is about Orwell 1984 rather than Satoshi Nakamoto 2009. The true force behind bitcoin falling down is this trend and the fact that bitcoiners are doing almost nothing about it other than sticking with their few coins and waiting for dick heads in regulatory agencies to show merci and absorb them in the so-called 'legal system'.

As a smart con artist, Craig Faketoshi Wrong has understood the situation and made a decision: "Don't be shy Craig, you've never been, choose the wrong side as usual and figure out a way to keep talking in public."

The rest of bitcoiners? They are just shy!

wow that's deep bro

[aliashraf]

there are a lot of problems with using bitcoin.
first and foremost, the laws regarding bitcoin are not clear yet. they said "a team" is investigating and the talks were mostly positive but there has not been any actual law legalizing bitcoin or not.

I guess, it is no more possible for bitcoiners to live in the gray zone, it is just fading out, the gray zone:

Trump needs even more centralization of power for running his version of Fascism, Putin has already centralized everything in Russia (again) and Chinese have no clue about what a non-centralized form of power could ever be.

In monetary systems, AML/KYC discourse is getting more aggressive on a daily basis, It is about Orwell 1984 rather than Satoshi Nakamoto 2009. The true force behind bitcoin falling down is this trend and the fact that bitcoiners are doing almost nothing about it other than sticking with their few coins and waiting for dick heads in regulatory agencies to show merci and absorb them in the so-called 'legal system'.

As a smart con artist, Craig Faketoshi Wrong has understood the situation and made a decision: "Don't be shy Craig, you've never been, choose the wrong side as usual and figure out a way to keep talking in public."

The rest of bitcoiners? They are just shy!

wow that's deep bro

Indeed. I wonder who wrote this? Me? NO! I'm not that insightful, it is not me  

By the way, once you find a post "deep" best practice would be sending the poster some merits 

[aliashraf]

I think one reason for btc drop below $4K may be this suforum. Every minute one or two pointless topics pop up ... anyway, BUMP!

[Hans17]

Well i quietly not aware on this situation but i'm reading this blog or a link the link is down below feel free to check it out and how about post some comments or even reply so i can know something about it , also to expand my knowledge about what is happening. Link : https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-hits-24000-in-iran-after-government-okays-mining/

[Lizzylove1]

The sanction of President Trump been hammered on IRAN has a lot of momentum. This will have to do with the President of Iran's decision and actions. The people ought not to suffer for the mistake of a few government officials. Iran has to consider incorporating the bitcoin for now to ameliorate the economic sanctions and hardship.