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December 01, 2018, 05:56:14 PM
Last edit: February 05, 2019, 07:52:34 PM by CryptoPravda
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I created a topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5078416.0 (deleted)

where I discussed about creating specific Smart contract  in the Russian segment in the "programmers"(Кoдepы)  section .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=66.0
 
But the moderator Russian section moved it from the "programmers" section to the "alternative cryptocurrency" section. But there are no experts in this section and the topics quickly replace each other.

 I fully comply with rules in Russian section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5078698.msg48408253#msg48408253

So the main question: "Can I discuss smart contracts in the Russian section "Кoдepы" (Coders) or rules do not exist for this forum?"
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December 01, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
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Have you discussed it with the moderator?

The problem for you is this is a Bitcoin forum, and for inclusion they have alt boards. All they have done is move it to the appropriate section.

Not much to be done, I'm sure there is an Ethereum based forum out there, you could post your question. You could aslo recreate the topic as a self moderated thread, and bump it daily on that board in an attempt to keep it visible and clean.

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Have you discussed it with the moderator?

The problem for you is this is a Bitcoin forum, and for inclusion they have alt boards. All they have done is move it to the appropriate section.

Not much to be done, I'm sure there is an Ethereum based forum out there, you could post your question. You could aslo recreate the topic as a self moderated thread, and bump it daily on that board in an attempt to keep it visible and clean.
Thanks for the reply and advice.
I have not discussed this with local moderator.

I thought maybe global moderators will comment on this. It is foolish to prohibit discussing the creation of smart contracts in the segment where experts gather.
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Have you discussed it with the moderator?

The problem for you is this is a Bitcoin forum, and for inclusion they have alt boards. All they have done is move it to the appropriate section.

Not much to be done, I'm sure there is an Ethereum based forum out there, you could post your question. You could aslo recreate the topic as a self moderated thread, and bump it daily on that board in an attempt to keep it visible and clean.
Thanks for the reply and advice.
I have not discussed this with local moderator.

I thought maybe global moderators will comment on this. It is foolish to prohibit discussing the creation of smart contracts in the segment where experts gather.

I didn't read your topic, but if it's about ethereum, it has to be moved. You cannot have Altcoin technical discussion in a Bitcoin board. That's not foolish, that's organization.

However, you could try to create a new topic about how to implement those smartcontracts in Bitcoin network? There are implementations of smartcontracts in Bitcoin Network, such as RSK (https://www.rsk.co).

I believe particl is doing something like that as well.

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December 01, 2018, 08:11:43 PM
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Everything concerning the alternative cryptocurrencies should be in the corresponding subsection. In the Russian section, the subsection "Aльтepнaтивныe кpиптoвaлюты" is intended for this purpose.

I recommend to carefully read this topic.


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December 01, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
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Moderator was right by moving your topic to altcoin board. But I understand that you aren't happy about it. There is same issue in English part of the forum - we don't have specific Altcoin boards like ''development and technical discussion'', ''Technical support'', so these kind of topics can be posted only in general Altcoin discussion board. ''Programmers'' board in Russian section is only for stuff about Bitcoin, discussion about smart contracts counts as off-topic here.




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December 01, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
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Everything concerning the alternative cryptocurrencies should be in the corresponding subsection. In the Russian section, the subsection "Aльтepнaтивныe кpиптoвaлюты" is intended for this purpose.

I recommend to carefully read this topic.

Ok, I changed the topic and added that we are discussing the use of such smart contracts in Bitcoin using technology  RSK (https://www.rsk.co).
Now you can move the topic back.
 Thank you!
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December 01, 2018, 09:10:11 PM
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Ok, I changed the topic and added that we are discussing the use of such smart contracts in Bitcoin using technology  RSK (https://www.rsk.co).
Now you can move the topic back.
 Thank you!

It's funny. A minor mention of bitcoin in your topic does not change anything. The main discussion in your topic is alternative cryptocurrencies.


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December 01, 2018, 09:25:13 PM
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Ok, I changed the topic and added that we are discussing the use of such smart contracts in Bitcoin using technology  RSK (https://www.rsk.co).
Now you can move the topic back.
 Thank you!

It's funny. A minor mention of bitcoin in your topic does not change anything. The main discussion in your topic is alternative cryptocurrencies.

My topic does not concern any alternative cryptocurrency at all.
I do not discuss any alternative currency.
Read carefully.

The possibility of creating smart contracts for specific purposes is discussed and also the topic concerns Bitcoin.
Where in the rules says what percentage of the topic should be about bitcoin?

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My topic does not concern any alternative cryptocurrency at all.
I do not discuss any alternative currency.
Read carefully.

The possibility of creating smart contracts for specific purposes is discussed and also the topic concerns Bitcoin.
Where in the rules says what percentage of the topic should be about bitcoin?

Don't make an idiot of me. Topic originally contained other text. You edited it.
This is confirmed by your words.

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I immediately said ethereum-like networks, there are already many coins of copies of Ethereum with the same possibilities. On the Ethereum is not to do, is very popular, start with a little, but fundamentally powerful coin.

I cited Bitcoin as an example in terms of psychology and as people think with huge sums, that is, they will be interested in it not only for price growth, but also elementary for safety.


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December 02, 2018, 06:59:13 AM
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My topic does not concern any alternative cryptocurrency at all.
I do not discuss any alternative currency.
Read carefully.

The possibility of creating smart contracts for specific purposes is discussed and also the topic concerns Bitcoin.
Where in the rules says what percentage of the topic should be about bitcoin?

Don't make an idiot of me. Topic originally contained other text. You edited it.
This is confirmed by your words.

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Биткoин я пpивeл кaк пpимep c тoчки зpeния пcиxoлoгии и кaк мыcлят люди c oгpoмными cyммaми, тo ecть oни впoлнe бyдyт зaинтepecoвaны в этoм нe тoлькo для pocтa цeны, нo и элeмeнтapнo для бeзoпacнocти.

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I immediately said ethereum-like networks, there are already many coins of copies of Ethereum with the same possibilities. On the Ethereum is not to do, is very popular, start with a little, but fundamentally powerful coin.

I cited Bitcoin as an example in terms of psychology and as people think with huge sums, that is, they will be interested in it not only for price growth, but also elementary for safety.
Mods are here to do a job which is to moderate. I don't think they take the moderating job personal. Sometimes we are ignorant of the rules and fill we are right while we are wrong and when corrected we never want to learn. There is an advice for you to create a thread on bitcoin smartcontracts if you still want to post this topic in respect to bitcoin and stop attacking the mods.

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December 02, 2018, 02:20:28 PM
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My topic does not concern any alternative cryptocurrency at all.
I do not discuss any alternative currency.
Read carefully.

This conflicts with your original post

But the moderator moved my topic only because it does not concern Bitcoin.

And he moved it from the "programmers" section to the "alternative cryptocurrency" section. But there are no specialists in this section and the topics quickly replace each other.

I think it’s very wrong to transfer this topic just because this topic is more related to ethereum.

You tweaked your original topic based on some advice here that may have allowed the topic to blur the lines and remain within the board. However that is contingent on the moderator agreeing with you, which they do not. So my advice, let it go.

Sitting here trying every little trick to force your will upon the board and moderator will not serve you well. I've provided you with my advice and opinion above should you want to reconsider.

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December 03, 2018, 12:05:16 AM
Last edit: December 03, 2018, 01:33:47 AM by CryptoPravda
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Xal0lex (moderator Russian section,who doesn't know)

I recommend to carefully read this topic, which you wrote.

---------- Кoдepы ----------

Paздeл для oбcyждeния paзpaбoтки блoкчeйнa и пpoчиx пpoгpaммныx peшeний, cвязaнныx c кpиптoвaлютaми.
Paздeл HE пpeднaзнaчeн для:
- пpeдлoжeний пo paбoтe для пpoгpaммиcтoв (для этoгo ecть в paздeл Paбoтa);
- вcякиx cepвиcoв для пpoгpaммиcтoв (для этoгo ecть paздeл Бизнec);
- вoпpocoв, oбcyждeний и т.п. пo пpoгpaммиpoвaнию в цeлoм, кoтopыe c биткoйнoм и кpиптoвaлютaми нe cвязaны. (Для этoгo ecть paздeл Paзнoe . Этo в лyчшeм cлyчae. Ho, cкopee вceгo, тaкoe, вooбщe, нe для этoгo фopyмa.)

Translation!!!
Section for discussion of the development of blockchain and other software solutions related to the cryptocurrency.
The section is not intended for:
- PROPOSALS FOR WORKS FOR programmers(for this there is a section for work);
- all servers for programmers(for this is the section of Business);
- questions, discussion, etc. on programming in general, that with bitcoin and cryptocurrency  are not connected. (For this, it is the section of the "different". This is in the best case. But, most of all, not for this forum.)





And another fact that i'm 100 percent right

In this topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4441550.0

user taikuri13 asks clarifying question
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4441550.msg39745648#msg39745648



---------- Кoдepы ----------

Paздeл для oбcyждeния paзpaбoтки блoкчeйнa и пpoчиx пpoгpaммныx peшeний, cвязaнныx c кpиптoвaлютaми.
Paздeл HE пpeднaзнaчeн для:
- пpeдлoжeний пo paбoтe для пpoгpaммиcтoв (для этoгo ecть в paздeл Paбoтa);
- вcякиx cepвиcoв для пpoгpaммиcтoв (для этoгo ecть paздeл Бизнec);
- вoпpocoв, oбcyждeний и т.п. пo пpoгpaммиpoвaнию в цeлoм, кoтopыe c биткoйнoм и кpиптoвaлютaми нe cвязaны. (Для этoгo ecть paздeл Paзнoe . Этo в лyчшeм cлyчae. Ho, cкopee вceгo, тaкoe, вooбщe, нe для этoгo фopyмa.)

Кaк я пoнимaю - этo чиcтo pyccкaя пpидyмкa, тaк кaк в aнглoвeткe пoдoбнoй тeмы в cпиcкe пpaвил нeт.
Oтcюдa вoпpoc. Этa тeмa нaзывaeтcя "Oпиcaниe...", пpaвилa вeтoк в aнглийcкoм opигинaлe пpaвил нe yкaзывaют пpaвилa для вeтки Кoдepы.
Знaчит нeoбxoдимo этo oпиcaниe coeдинить c пpaвилaми фopyмa (RU)?

Translation
As I understand it, this is a purely Russian rule, since there is no such rule in the English list in the list of rules.
Hence the question. This topic is called "Description ...", the rules of the branches in the English original rules do not indicate the rules for the Coders branch.
So it is necessary to connect this description with the rules of the forum (RU)?



Xal0lex answer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4441550.msg39835515#msg39835515

Пpaвильнo пoнимaeтe. Hy, вo-пepвыx, я нaпиcaл, чтo:
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Taк кaк в нaшeй вeткe нaмнoгo мeньшe paздeлoв, чeм в aнглoвeткe, в oпиcaнияx yчитывaeтcя этa ocoбeннocть.

Translation
You understand correctly. Well, first of all, I wrote that:
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Since there are far fewer sections in our branch than in an English section, this feature is taken into account in descriptions.



So these rules are only for the Russian section and I fully comply with them.




We all forgive you your mistakes, everybody makes mistakes.
Now you can move the topic back.
 Thank you!
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December 03, 2018, 12:57:33 AM
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However, you could try to create a new topic about how to implement those smartcontracts in Bitcoin network? There are implementations of smartcontracts in Bitcoin Network, such as RSK (https://www.rsk.co).

I believe particl is doing something like that as well.


You tweaked your original topic based on some advice here that may have allowed the topic to blur the lines and remain within the board.

I am sorry that my advice was misunderstood.

I said you should try to create a new topic.

I didn't said you should change a few words in your topic... And demanding moderator to move your topic is not the right way to solve your problems here.

This a great community and there are rules here. If moderator open exceptions for people, the forum will become a mess.

What's the problem with Altcoin board ? Do not count for signature campaign? Too much spam?
You could create a self moderate topic to keep it without spam.

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December 03, 2018, 01:25:45 AM
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I am sorry that my advice was misunderstood.

That's not how I understood your advice just to be clear. I feel OP took the general idea and tried to manipulate your example to achieve their goals.

It's just not working out for them, as it was pretty transparent.

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December 03, 2018, 01:28:06 AM
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I am sorry that my advice was misunderstood.

I said you should try to create a new topic.

I didn't said you should change a few words in your topic... And demanding moderator to move your topic is not the right way to solve your problems here.

This a great community and there are rules here. If moderator open exceptions for people, the forum will become a mess.

What's the problem with Altcoin board ? Do not count for signature campaign? Too much spam?
You could create a self moderate topic to keep it without spam.

Thank you for your answers and attention.
But I don't have to create anything.

 I fully comply with rules in Russian section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5078698.msg48408253#msg48408253

I am sorry that my advice was misunderstood.
I feel OP took the general idea and tried to manipulate your example to achieve their goals.
It's just not working out for them, as it was pretty transparent.
I did not try to manipulate anything
and just added information about Bitcoin, although according to the rules in the Russian section, I could not do this
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December 04, 2018, 04:00:45 AM
Last edit: December 04, 2018, 05:48:43 AM by CryptoPravda
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Well, I deleted this topic.
But it showed how a moderator Russian section may be biased.
You all saw that I was right and fell silent, and before that you put him merits.

And when he realized that I was right, he simply began to ignore. He has nothing to answer.

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December 04, 2018, 04:20:13 AM
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If I am not completely mistaken, litecoin started to be discussed in the Development & Technical Discussion section. Some other ideas for new protocols have also started there like DAG. It is necessary to have some differentiation on the technical discussions involving Bitcoin and those about Altcoins. But removing any discussion about something not being used by Bitcoin today, but that could be used in future, is an unnecessary limiter.

Perhaps even to completely rule out this idea as it does with the discussions related to PoW and PoS.
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December 08, 2018, 02:50:03 PM
Last edit: December 08, 2018, 03:19:22 PM by CryptoPravda
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Xal0lex
Who is right in this dispute, me or you?
Will you avenge me for this?
And those who put merits to Xal0lex , why do you not give me merits now?
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December 09, 2018, 03:30:43 AM
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...
where I discussed about creating specific Smart contract  in the Russian segment in the "programmers"(Кoдepы)  section .
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=66.0
 
But the moderator Russian section moved it from the "programmers" section to the "alternative cryptocurrency" section. But there are no experts in this section and the topics quickly replace each other.
...

And those who put merits to Xal0lex , why do you not give me merits now?

So, is this discussion about getting the merit for your topic?

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