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December 05, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
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Newbies are really limited accounts, they can't really do much... And form each 100 new users registered 1 should be a good element, so, for that one it worth to have the registration system just like the way we have it right now.

But if in future it becomes a problem, we can change the registration just like the steemit one and ask users to verify their account with a phone sms.

SMS verification in my opinion doesn't belong in a Bitcoin forum. Yes it would stop most malicious users but a lot of people here wouldn't like giving out personal information. SMS verification could be optional for 2fa.
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December 06, 2018, 12:05:22 PM
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Newbies are really limited accounts, they can't really do much... And form each 100 new users registered 1 should be a good element, so, for that one it worth to have the registration system just like the way we have it right now.

But if in future it becomes a problem, we can change the registration just like the steemit one and ask users to verify their account with a phone sms.

As I've said before things like this will just scare genuine users off whilst the ones who are determined to earn here will just jump through whatever hoops you throw at them (and theymos would never implement this anyway). If I signed up to this forum and it required sms verification I would seriously think twice about proceeding and just leave... or I could just buy a throwaway sim for £1, and that's what those who come here to abuse the forum will also do and that's also why it's essentially futile.

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December 06, 2018, 03:02:46 PM
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For the amount of money that these spammers earn they wouldn't even blink at getting a throw away sim. SMS verification doesn't solve the problem but it does affect genuine users. I know there's no point in discussing this as theymos would be against the idea anyway. But any restrictions which severely limit normal users should be avoided. This is why I think the shadow ban is the best idea out of all of them. It doesn't affect normal users and only those that break the rules. It solves almost all the problems. Yes they will find out eventually but if it slows down the process of the spamming then I'm all for it.
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December 06, 2018, 10:31:17 PM
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I understood. Then there is only one thing-to tighten the rules for obtaining the rank of Jr.Member to 10 merits. This will reduce spam, but will not solve the problem of one-day accounts for spam and fraud.
Or, we should make different merit requirements for creating a topic in various threads, e.g. if you want to open a topic in the Beginners's section (or in the OFF topic), you don't have to have any merits, but if you want to open an [ANN] thread, you should have at least 5 merits etc.
I know that it will scare away geniue coin devs and those who want to advertise a really working new altcoin, but that's only 1 out of 1000 or even less...
Also, because we're a bitcoin forum, let's make it easier to open a topic in the Bitcoin Discussion thread (less merit requirement and more merit to open in the alt section).

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December 06, 2018, 11:24:31 PM
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SMS verification in my opinion doesn't belong in a Bitcoin forum. Yes it would stop most malicious users but a lot of people here wouldn't like giving out personal information. SMS verification could be optional for 2fa.

I have to agree that not all might really want to use sms. Tho, there are already few members here who were giving out personal informations and sms verification might not ve a problem for them.

Therefore, 2fa and sms is both good as long as you have choices since also not all wants to do the 2fa cause i think we already have it in here yet not everyone is using this feature

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December 07, 2018, 09:34:29 AM
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I understood. Then there is only one thing-to tighten the rules for obtaining the rank of Jr.Member to 10 merits. This will reduce spam, but will not solve the problem of one-day accounts for spam and fraud.

If this happened even today, i would also leave the forum. It would be totally demoralizing for newbies looking to rank up. This kind of attitude towards new members must stop. With this kind of restrictions, this forum will just loose it it no time and new users will just migrate to other forums with "softer" rules.
You don't want to see to a lengendary Bitcointalk forum loose it's number one spot to a new rival forum

Or, we should make different merit requirements for creating a topic in various threads, e.g. if you want to open a topic in the Beginners's section (or in the OFF topic), you don't have to have any merits, but if you want to open an [ANN] thread, you should have at least 5 merits etc.
More reason for genuine new users to go to other forums. what will stop the genuine devs from going to other forums to post their projects due to the stringent measures on bitcointalk?
Am pretty certain that the altcoin section brings in almost half of the users in here, so imagine there are little or no more ANNS of projects in the Altcoin boards due to your strict rules but instead there are quite a number of them in other crypto forums... i guess you know what will happen next.

You may not see it short term, but long term, it has an effect.
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December 07, 2018, 09:48:55 AM
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SMS verification is a very bad idea, it will stop only potential good people, bot and abusers will likely use virtual online SMS generators to bypass the problem...

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December 07, 2018, 09:53:56 AM
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Or, we should make different merit requirements for creating a topic in various threads, e.g. if you want to open a topic in the Beginners's section (or in the OFF topic), you don't have to have any merits, but if you want to open an [ANN] thread, you should have at least 5 merits etc.
More reason for genuine new users to go to other forums. what will stop the genuine devs from going to other forums to post their projects due to the stringent measures on bitcointalk?
Am pretty certain that the altcoin section brings in almost half of the users in here, so imagine there are little or no more ANNS of projects in the Altcoin boards due to your strict rules but instead there are quite a number of them in other crypto forums... i guess you know what will happen next.

You may not see it short term, but long term, it has an effect.
This is true, I was aware of the possible effect.
But ANNs are bringing most of the bounty hunters who just don't care about bitcoin, won't ever post in the bitcoin section, so from bitcoin point of view, it's not quality traffic.
From the traffic point of view, I know that every user counts. (even bots, who are e.g. half of the traffic of the ANNs traffic I guess, but I don't have proof of course, it's just an educated guess Smiley )

I'm also against of scaring off genuine devs but I have no idea how we can make a difference. I think that genuine devs are the ones who won't be able to get merits on the short run when they start their altcoin topic, because spammers scammers (who work together and sharing merit among themselves) seems more legit from the merit point of view than a genuine dev who has no connections with the forum to get merit quickly. I know that a genuine dev can also hire the bots to be able to stand out from the mass of shitcoins but that would cost heavy ETH for him and half of the bot farmers are also scammers, they won't just do anything but run away with the money...

So if you have a look at the ANN threads, from the point of view of a newbie (who came here to make some money with joining the bounty campaigns),  what is the chance that they can select a legit ANN topic with a genuine dev? Really low... Even what is the chance that they will ever found that legit ANN topic, when all the scammy ANNs are bumped all the time and legit ANNs won't have a chance to get to the first page? Users are used to select from the first page (like in a google search) so chances are really low for genuine devs to get noticed at all.
So I think at the moment this is what scares off genuine devs, so if we make some restrictions, maybe (maybe) the legit ANNs would become more noticeable, so I'm not 100% sure that restrictions equals the loss of the quality traffic.
But this is just my opinion, I'm happy to discuss, I hope somehow sometime we'll be able to work out a solution for the current situation, it's badly needed...

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