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Bitstamp (twitter) they have published this photo recommending installing a Full Node to improve the network.



We are not alone.

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Nodes online:



BTCitcoin Core / 9468

https://coin.dance/nodes/core





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In the future I want to run a full node
I have questions
I need a very powerful computer?
How much CPU power?
How much hard disk Gb?
Hard disk HDD or SSD?
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December 10, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
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In the future I want to run a full node
I have questions

most info you need is in a link right in the 1st post:
https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#minimum-requirements

I need a very powerful computer?

no. a rasperry pi 3 would do. or an intel atom from any netbook. basically if the computer less than 10 years old it will do.

How much hard disk Gb?
Hard disk HDD or SSD?

500 gb should last a few years at the rate the blockchain is growing. currently the blockchain is ~210gb. a ssd will make syncing faster but not needed, mechanical drives are fine for a node.

blockchain growth chart can be found here:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/647523/worldwide-bitcoin-blockchain-size/

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I only run full-nodes when i use my computer since computer isn't designed to run 24/7
If this is true, it depends on the computer, it is not convenient to be there 24/7, at least you need a box that is well ventilated to maintain a correct temperature.

It's true, especially if you use cheap or old parts. I'll measure my ventilation, temperature and avg. watt usage later.

When someone asks me what Bitcoin is, I try to explain what it is and take the opportunity to tell him to read a bit about Bitcoin, one of the books that is pretty well explained is Mastering Bitcoin Unlocking Digital Cryptocurrencies.



yup, got that book on my end table. a must read for anyone who wants to understand (or at least understand better) btc rather than just use it.

Make sure you read 2nd edition as it contains newer technology (such as SegWit) and fix few wrong information.

Also, it's free (and legal, obviously) at https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook. So people don't have excuse anymore.

Nodes online:



BTCitcoin Core / 9468

and actual full nodes number is higher as most full nodes client don't enable port-forwarding, even though there's no accurate way to measure it's number

Thanks for the 2nd edition book, Antonopoulus.
Ventilation is essential for the indoor temperature, a good fan will improve sure.
Yes, I know, I'm going to add information about the number of visible nodes with more than 8 active connections and those who are only active as clients.

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Running Full Node

The Bitcoin Core GUI are several icons. If you hover over the signal strength icon, it will tell you how many connections you have.



The icon won’t turn "green" until you have more than 8 active connections, which only happens if inbound connections are allowed.

Peer info in Bitcoin Core GUI https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#gui-peer-info

Peer info in Bitcoin Core daemon https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#daemon-peer-info

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In the future I want to run a full node
I have questions
I need a very powerful computer?
How much CPU power?
How much hard disk Gb?
Hard disk HDD or SSD?
Nice thread and design, I still have no merits, I would give 1 merit but I do not have. Grin

Thanks for your support.

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Good web on the state of the Lightning Network

Number of Nodes
Number of Channels
Network Capacity
and more information

Lightning Network Search and Analysis Engine https://1ml.com/

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Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.
I get the reason for running a node, but I don't have the spare memory/computing power to do so--and there's no reward for running one, so I temporarily un-ignored this section and voted "no" because I saw your thread in Meta. 

Don't laugh at me or call me names, but I was experimenting with earning interest through PIVX and downloaded the whole blockchain and kept it running, and it just made everything else on my computer run really slow.  I'm not a huge computer guy, don't own any spare laptops or anything, and my internet connection isn't the greatest, so I nixed that whole idea.  As an aside, I think I bought the PIVX when it was around $3 and look where it is now: $0.49.  So I'd like to say screw PIVX in addition to everything I wrote above.

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https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/
it says 9737 differnt types of nodes at time of posting
if you then search for 1037 (tag that suggests running full node services)
it says 6295 at time of posting

thats 65% of nodes are full nodes


and going back to the near 10k diverse nodes.. if you search out the current block height
it says 5805 at time of posting
thats under 60% that are uptodate of all nodes.

which means that the 65% of full nodes are not all uptodate

oh. also out of the near 10k nodes 30% of them are all hoarded on amazon, hetzner and digital ocean servers. meaning not decentralised.

so the representation of decentralised, diverse, uptodate and fully validating nodes is more closer to 3k than it is to 10k

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Many nodes, more decentralization, better for the network and for Bitcoin.

Rewards for having an active node, you do not have.
I get the reason for running a node, but I don't have the spare memory/computing power to do so--and there's no reward for running one, so I temporarily un-ignored this section and voted "no" because I saw your thread in Meta.  

Don't laugh at me or call me names, but I was experimenting with earning interest through PIVX and downloaded the whole blockchain and kept it running, and it just made everything else on my computer run really slow.  I'm not a huge computer guy, don't own any spare laptops or anything, and my internet connection isn't the greatest, so I nixed that whole idea.  As an aside, I think I bought the PIVX when it was around $3 and look where it is now: $0.49.  So I'd like to say screw PIVX in addition to everything I wrote above.


If, unfortunately, the connection to the Internet is indispensable, be it good, this is a difficult point to solve, I am sure that if I did not have these problems I would have an online node.

https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/
it says 9737 differnt types of nodes at time of posting
if you then search for 1037 (tag that suggests running full node services)
it says 6295 at time of posting

thats 65% of nodes are full nodes


and going back to the near 10k diverse nodes.. if you search out the current block height
it says 5805 at time of posting
thats under 60% that are uptodate of all nodes.

which means that the 65% of full nodes are not all uptodate

oh. also out of the near 10k nodes 30% of them are all hoarded on amazon, hetzner and digital ocean servers. meaning not decentralised.

so the representation of decentralised, diverse, uptodate and fully validating nodes is more closer to 3k than it is to 10k

Your answer is a good reason to encourage everyone to install a Full Node,
I hope that this thread arouses curiosity and we increase the number.

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VB1001:
Please search the forum how to combine quotes from different posts from different members into one reply. Don't worry, it's easy
The above 2 posts has been made with 6 minutes difference, so it would be just easier to edit the first reply and insert the content of your second reply into the first post. You can also delete the second post, the topic would become more easy to read and you won't get reported in the end (it's against the rules to post several replies in a row into the same topic).
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Nodes online:



BTCitcoin Core / 9468






This graphic is wrong, or, at least, not totally true about the real number. According to @gmaxwell: "that page only lists ones that accept inbound connections". The actual number could be over 50 thousand. Still, it may sound small, but it is not. This number already guarantees the necessary statistical reliability. And more nodes would be useful to ensure individual security and privacy, but would not be totally necessary or urgent at this time.

I do not know if bitcoin-seeder still works, but it could deliver better numbers: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder

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Ok, I'm going to try the software bitcoin-seeder.

Bitcoin is only useful if it is decentralized.
The larger the hashrate a single miner controls, the more centralized Bitcoin.

One of the reasons why the increase in the size of the Bitcoin block is not a solution, is because if the block increases in size, the individual nodes will be excluded.
This is a danger for any network, not just Bitcoin.
The larger the block size the more centralization.

Start more individual Full Nodes is the solution.

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If, unfortunately, the connection to the Internet is indispensable, be it good, this is a difficult point to solve, I am sure that if I did not have these problems I would have an online node.

home users that naively think connecting their (imagine worse case)1mb connection to 100 nodes is helping. it is not.
if you have low bandwidth its better to only connect to 10 nodes. thus the 10 nodes get the data relayed sooner.

no one wants to be connected at a speed of 0.01. when they could be connected to a node at 0.1
it puts less strain on the user AND less strain on the network this way.

imagine it this way. your house. you want to open it up as a homeless shelter. it can only accommodate 10 beds happily.
do you think cramming in 100 people is helping those people. or is it better to help just 10 people and let others find another house where if everyone offered a room for 10 people everyone becomes happy.

so in short if your bandwidth is tight. just connect to less nodes, better for you, better for those connected to you.
if 10 nodes is a problem. try 5, if that a problem try 2.. just dont go up to high numbers and then cry that your internet is super slow

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Nodes online:
BTCitcoin Core / 9468

This graphic is wrong, or, at least, not totally true about the real number. According to @gmaxwell: "that page only lists ones that accept inbound connections".
AFAIK it's not wrong as it only show full nodes which open listening port 8333 and configure forwarding ports properly, the page should state this information.

You also can use https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/software.html to check more accurate number, even though i'm not sure how updated is the page.

If, unfortunately, the connection to the Internet is indispensable, be it good, this is a difficult point to solve, I am sure that if I did not have these problems I would have an online node.
home users that naively think connecting their (imagine worse case)1mb connection to 100 nodes is helping. it is not.
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You're right, but some client by default only connect to up-to 8 nodes and people who can tweak such configuration should able to know that it doesn't help the network.

probably better if your gonna use lukes charts to atleast use the more useful one
https://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/branches.html ~65% are capable of being full nodes, but it doesnt really show how many actually are (not prunned)

and as for home users with bad internet or using it as an excuse i have seen many times when they post their logs they ramped up their connection count

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Interesting article:

Pierre Rochard > "Lightning Adoption Will Basically Mirror Bitcoin Adoption"

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/pierre-rochard-lightning-adoption-will-basically-mirror-bitcoin-adoption/

Easiest Bitcoin Lightning Guide!

https://medium.com/@pierre_rochard/windows-macos-lightning-network-284bd5034340

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what you'll find is that in the network. the whole consensus of solving byzantine generals problem has been bypassed. with near everyone just following one general now(core) and any dev team that wants to propose a new rule/feature that opposes the core roadmap ends up getting knocked off the network.. there is less need of a decentralised network(their view). as the "generals"(plural) has been sidelined and relegated off network. and now its one general and tens of thousands of loyal soldiers blindly following.

its gone from a byzantine generals solution for a decentralised generals network. to a singular general for a distributed soldier network

people end up not wanting to archive 10 years of data. just to wade through all that data just to ensure their $100 is confirmed.
holding the data if they are just interested in a few addresses becomes a waste of hard drive utility so they end up prunning it, thus they no longer become able to be a node that others can sync from

.. also you being a DNS seed is not being a full node. its just being a yellow pages directory to guide users to each other, essentually. which if you without bias dont set it to just list core nodes(as all DNS should do), would help if a revolution occured to bring core down a peg or two back down to an equal playing field with other nodes that want to get back to a united community of byzantine generals,
so it has purpose for some independent people to be DNS seed nodes to ensure the network doesnt become full 100% core only centralised.
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but back to the users being full nodes...
the situation will get worse when things are really pushed to pursuade users off the bitcoin network and into using another network like lightning.

because lightning network is not a bitcoin layer. it is its own network that allows multiple coins.
(bitcoin layer is just the sponsorship advertising buzzword many people use to try faming up that their project is part of the crypto industry, to garner investment)

users using the lightning network will find in a couple years that funds from litecoin, vertcoin or bitcoin are locked to be unspendable on their respective networks in a smart contract with a "factory/watchtower" entity. and this entity would need to monitor those multiple chains as a masternode.(super bloated mega node) to then when convinced the locks are locked. offer out a un-chained(unconfirmed) 'payment' to users that allows users to open channels. so that users can use phone apps to make payments instead of lugging around laptops/desktops when they visit starbucks

these factories become the gatekeepers (i would say banks but people hate when i say it, even if factually correct). this is so that users dont need to wait for their locked funds timeout to close a channel and broadcast a tx to the respective coin networks. they can just close channel and let the factory audit and then refresh them with a new un-chained(unconfirmed) 'payment' to reopen a new channel at any time.

this allows users to open/close channels more frequently if their co-partner in-channel is offline
yea i know your thinking the optimism of how great and user friendly it is. but. if you think about the whole network security of phone app users needing to trust a factory/masternode(bank) who has the real privatkey co-sign control of the real funds
and that the factory has to be a masternode monitoring the networks and also many users channels...
its not healthy. or secure, especially when the channels themselves are not byzantine general solved either

the only reasons the bitcoin network is told to people that blockchains dont work and impractical and slow. is due to the limitations of a blockchain imposed by the developers.(bitcoin is not AI self coding.. devs code it. devs put in the limitations, devs can remove them too)

anyway, take the initial block download argument. people dont really object to the blockchain data size. as a 256gb data is less than a fingernail(microsd) size, not a server size
its the fact that its coded that users cant even check a unverified balance to be able to do anything until the chain is synced.
if only they realised they could bloomfilter(request specific data of specific addresses) from peers first. just to get a unverified balance instantly. and then make the verifying/syncing more of a background secondary task that goes on less noticably so that people are not twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if they even have a balance/imported the correct wallet/keys

many people are too optimistic about lightning(future multicurrency banking system) but dont realise that to "be your own bank" on LN requires being a masternode of multiple chains. which is much more than just full noding one chain
(if you still think LN is bitcoin only feature.. research chainhash registry code in LN aswell as atomic swaps)


many people are too optimistic about lightning(future multicurrency banking system) but dont realise that its not a 'scaling bitcoin' its a take people away from bitcoin and use 12decimal payment values PEGGED to bitcoin via a masternode

many people are too optimistic about lightning(future multicurrency banking system) but dont realise that its not scaling bitcoin because its taking people off the bitcoin network where people wont want to be bitcoin full nodes as they are never going to be using bitcoin network daily

but anyways.. we are already seeing the dilution of the community bing diverted away from bitcoin. we are starting to see where the term "bitcoin maximalists" are being used as a derogatory term even to make it fel like if you support bitcoin as a payment network and want bitcoin to be secure and to scale then your 'dirt'

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Thanks for the analysis, your argument is very complete, I can not debate it because my knowledge in Bitcoin technology is very recent, but these innovations can serve to make Bitcoin adoption faster to the base of the population, which does not know how to save, buy, sell ​​or pay with Bitcoin.

They are projecting Bitcoin all over the Internet:

Tim Draper Backed OpenNode Startup Raises $1.25 Million



https://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-payment-processor-opennode-gets-125m-from-investors-cm1071687

Bitcoin Space:

The move is an interesting one, as it removes the dependency on a physical internet connection through traditional ADSL connections and fibre optic networks.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-from-space-blockstream-cso-explains-its-satellite-services

Maybe he's right, surely, if Bitcoin does not react, every time we will be less decentralized.

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Thanks for the analysis, your argument is very complete, I can not debate it because my knowledge in Bitcoin technology is very recent, but these innovations can serve to make Bitcoin adoption faster to the base of the population, which does not know how to save, buy, sell ​​or pay with Bitcoin.

if you can understand the history of how banks came about in the 18th-19th century by locking gold up(call it bitcoin 8 decimal point value transactions locked outputs) and then hand people unaudited promissory(bank) notes(call it 12 decimal unconfirmed non blockchain transactions of value pegged to multiple coins(dependant on which coin you locked/atomically linked to)) then you will be on your way to understand what LN is doing with its latest concepts and direction.

as we all know what happened to the gold:bank imbalance after people stopped wanting to withdraw gold(bitcoin) but take silver(litecoin) coins out instead.

just remember LN wont by paying with real confirmed guaranteed funds. the developers have made it clear use at own risk. there is no way to guarantee fund confirmation.

LN is also not user adoption ready. and wont be for years, by which it will only fit a small niche of those wanting to spend under $100 for purchases of far less daily.

LN is to make people move away from the bitcoin network.
by definition that is not scaling bitcoin network in any way. its diluting/offsetting/removing utility

alot of people are already questioning the whole have fiat. then get a crypto, then lock a crypto to then split up unconfirmed crypto into multiple accounts to hope for productive regular use.... when its far easier to just use fiat to buy a few giftcards. job done.
(i have seen many other questions asked by average joe questioning is crypto better than fiat)

yes i understand th utopia. yes i understand as a bitcoiner myself all the other benefits of it. but for the outsider looking in. see LN as another barrier wall against adoption. "another room inside a room that needs to be walked through" (one reply was) "just to spend crypto as fast as say applepay or bank notes"

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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