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December 06, 2018, 04:25:17 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

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December 06, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold, silver, land, these are investments for people with little appetite for risk. Crypto is a high risk/high return investment, for a different type of people in my opinion.

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December 06, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
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Well gold is up $41/Oz since last I checked it about a month ago, so there does appear to be a little bullish sentiment in the air.  I'm not sure if that's going to be a long-term trend or not, but the precious metals market has been pretty damn dead for years now, since gold & silver peaked in 2011.

I don't follow politics--global or even local politics, and I barely follow what's happening with the economy outside the stock market.  I don't even know what "Sino-American problems" means, and I'm not sure how much the brexit thing is going to affect the global economy.  It'll be interesting to see.  

If the stock market starts to fall--and I don't mean just a correction but a bear market that lasts a year or longer, and if interest rates start to rise--then we'll probably see people starting to move money into precious metals again.  Gold has been beaten down quite a bit for years, so it might not be a bad time to buy a little.  I wouldn't count on making a big profit, though.  I don't expect the metals market to start approaching 2011 levels again anytime soon, and if you over-buy gold or silver, you'll probably be sitting on an investment that doesn't do much for you.  

I still haven't lost faith in the stock market or in crypto.  Those are the areas where I'd put my money.

Gold, silver, land,
Oh yeah, I always forget about real estate as an investment.  That might not be a horrible idea right now, either.

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December 06, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
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I don't know exactly about the other regions but from ASIA you cannot take gold away. They are crazy about gold and they are ready to invest in gold any time. I think this year investors are more interested in Gold as compared to crypto currency. Now Let's wait for the mid January to have an idea of BTC price.
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December 06, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
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Per government that would be the idea.
But what will it be per individual?

There goes the million dollar question.
I see a lot of rich people are still buying the USD instead of letting it rot in their own currency just so they could feel the spike when their countries currency are in a bad state. Also to keep them safe from an economic breakdown.

If I am to ask I would go the gold way. But that is before I knew crypto currencies.
My wife though is still into gold.  Grin
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December 06, 2018, 06:04:19 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

I believe Brexit issues are more bigger than we all thought, and if their Prime Minister is ousted it could lead to worsening of global economy. While there's a 90 day truce between China and America it's to early to say if things will get better between the two nations. I believe Asians countries have always brought gold irrespective of the global scenario, but now they'll further purchase it to be on safe side due to the current global economy scenario.
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December 06, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
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If I am to ask I would go the gold way. But that is before I knew crypto currencies.
My wife though is still into gold.  Grin

I'm bullish on Bitcoin all the way through, but have to admit that Bitcoin in general terms is still a high risk asset, especially amongst traditional investors and average joes. In other words, your wife is likely to do better going for Gold in the short term. Gold has had thousands of years to gain trust, while Bitcoin is the new kid on the block. It will take time for Bitcoin to become a safe haven asset, but I'm confident that it will happen.

Storing physical Gold is doable in smaller amounts, but a total disaster when it concerns so much Gold, that you have to buy a massive vault or have your bank store it for you. Storing large amounts of Gold in a vault yourself comes with the obvious risks of thefts and whatnot, and letting your bank store your Gold for you means you don't actually own it anymore.

Bitcoin for average joes can be stored conveniently in a hardware wallet. Even if someone takes it from you, they still can't do anything with it as long as you have your recovery seed hidden in a place only you can find.
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December 06, 2018, 07:40:31 PM
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Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
There is not enough gold in the world to back up all of the money. People can still value it, but I doubt they can use it like the US did. What could be done instead is using cryptocurrencies after dollar collapses, because they are naturally limited and don't need any kind of backing up. Well, a weird but not impossible thing would be to back up fiat by cryptocurrencies. I guess this would be the situation gold and dollar used to be in. It's not such a bad idea in case people come to value cryptocurrencies themselves. Fiat was a bad idea, and something has to replace it. The crash is probably inevitable...

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December 06, 2018, 07:55:27 PM
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You are completely right in your observation. Many countries do increase gold purchases. First of all, this is due to the growing tension in the world. Economic wars, military tensions between the United States and Russia are forcing many countries to increase their gold reserves. The USA constantly threatens with sanctions to different countries, and in trying to secure their economies, the central banks of different countries are increasing the purchase of gold. But I do not think that countries will move to the gold standard. I am afraid that the gold standard system has already exhausted itself.

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December 06, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
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Gold may have look like it recovered by rising from 1175$ last August to 1238$ today but I don't think it is clear that it is on its way up. Right now we are seeing that Gold is rising up and I doubt it is a good time to ride with it without you starting to pile up when it was on its bottom. Gold is maybe rising up because they are seeing other countries as well as the central banks buying it without even having the idea why it is rising on this bear market overall, this might just be a short term play just like what we are seeing when a coin is pumping up, I just doubt they are preparing to pile up Gold in preparation or this "dark year"
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December 06, 2018, 08:08:10 PM
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Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
There is not enough gold in the world to back up all of the money. People can still value it, but I doubt they can use it like the US did. What could be done instead is using cryptocurrencies after dollar collapses, because they are naturally limited and don't need any kind of backing up. Well, a weird but not impossible thing would be to back up fiat by cryptocurrencies. I guess this would be the situation gold and dollar used to be in. It's not such a bad idea in case people come to value cryptocurrencies themselves. Fiat was a bad idea, and something has to replace it. The crash is probably inevitable...

But the US Dollar isn't backed by Gold since years. And if Central Banks are massively buying gold it can be because they do know the USD will deflate a lot soon (GBP too anyway) (hence also the very bad stock market this autumn?) so they are avoiding the USD deflation or to "save" funds and once again gold is showing its power when it's about "saving" funds.

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Well the only reason for that is because its valuable since way back when our ancestors started trading and up until now its value almost hasn't gone down but instead have risen up specially with the current market prices in the market of cryptocurrency which dips dow really hard the last few months of this year.
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December 06, 2018, 09:11:45 PM
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Storing physical Gold is doable in smaller amounts, but a total disaster when it concerns so much Gold, that you have to buy a massive vault or have your bank store it for you. Storing large amounts of Gold in a vault yourself comes with the obvious risks of thefts and whatnot, and letting your bank store your Gold for you means you don't actually own it anymore.

Bitcoin for average joes can be stored conveniently in a hardware wallet. Even if someone takes it from you, they still can't do anything with it as long as you have your recovery seed hidden in a place only you can find.

Not worth to store Gold under the bed, it was maybe good at the time of our grandparents or during wars but in 2018 there are many disadvantages
- higher insurance price for your house
- a robbery, anything can happen but the golden rule is never to tell anyone that you store gold at home.
- you lose value when you resell
- you will get a lower ROI: the fees to buy, delivering, etc are more costs to add.

There are better alternatives and cheaper :p

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Gold does traditionally run counter-market. It goes up when the other markets are in turmoil. However it has no gone up as much as I would have expected recently. I have no idea why.
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Gold does traditionally run counter-market. It goes up when the other markets are in turmoil. However it has no gone up as much as I would have expected recently. I have no idea why.
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Well, as you said, it tends to do the opposite of what the regular markets do, and these regular markets have been an exceptional performer in the last years, and they are still doing well despite the first signs of a wide field correction. I don't really see much reason for Gold to increase much more than it already did.

The volumes the stock market is generating after each dip indicate that there is no real fear of a total market collapse. They definitely know what buy the dip is. Gold is a great indicator of fear, and as long as the price is relatively boring, which it is despite its recent upswing, you know that money isn't looking for a safe haven, yet.
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I think some investors will chosen gold because it a safe haven when market crash. Gold is a good instrument.
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December 06, 2018, 11:58:35 PM
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gold will always have its place in an investment portfolio of a good investor
sometimes gold loses its value in short term, but in the long run its value always increase
diversification is always recommended in investment practices,
so neglecting gold is like not using an option in diversification, hence reducing hedging power

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Sell some BTC, buy a little gold which is what I've been doing even at prices below this.   Everyone globally switching out of BTC I believe will still end up 'needing' some kind of alternate to US dollar going forward anyway.    In the west we are kinda blind to why that is, USA is a close cousin to many of the top 10 countries but it probably gets increasingly obvious the further away some countries are especially those without any link to dollar, under sanctions or capital controls.    BTC still has a purpose to play in linking the world better, more efficiently and on a base level compatible to capitalism not elitism

Some percentage will come back to crypto and we'll repeat some accumulation, how or what timescale that occurs on I dont know or pricing till it settles.   I dont think that basic demand and search for something beyond the status quo is over.   I would also doubt gold is going to be popular or as popular because its just not as easily swappable, its really way more boring/long term.  [Gold peaked 2011 and its still finding where its bottom pricing is, balancing supply and demand.    It will also find a new high, eventually.  A rough timescale to 'weigh' gold up would be a decade]  In the 1980's the demand to use pawn shops for gold meant queues a thousand people long some places so I'm told anyway

   tl;dr story isnt over but it might be we approach the end of the start


Gold does traditionally run counter-market. It goes up when the other markets are in turmoil. However it has no gone up as much as I would have expected recently. I have no idea why.
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Its a function of volatility.    We can put a fire out with fuel if enough is swamped on top, it'll blow up later probably but effects can be counter-intuitive.   The reaction to proposed trade tariffs that will hurt USA one of the worlds largest importers, is the market buys US dollar.    Thats nonsensical but its also cause and effect short term at least

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Yeah, people use gold as a hedge, especially in the extreme fiat volatility. I think the recent political situation with Brexit and the fud of stock market crash lead people to buy more gold. Many "experts" predict that in 2019 stock market will crash because it has been highly overvalued. Perhaps 2019 will be a "hedge year," not an "investment year."

I think it's interesting also for bitcoin, is bitcoin also considered as a means of hedging? We will see in its price movement.

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Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
They must be buying OTC gold then, because the market as it is doesn't reflect the huge buyers interest that seems to be suggested here. It's entirely possible like what happens with Bitcoin, but I doubt it at this stage.

Governments are mostly the first to notice that their economies will very likely perform poorly in the coming years, and would start accumulating as much gold as possible to hedge potential risk of devaluation asap.

We haven't yet seen the global economy go full bear to see what its effect is on Bitcoin at current stage. I guess the odds are high that it works against Bitcoin rather than for it, but I will applaud being proven wrong if so.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think people use a lot of money to buy gold to preserve their money. It is not a new trend. When the economy stabilizes, they will definitely invest in crypto and the stock market. Do not worry, everything will be fine.

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I do not believe it, who likes encryption, blockchain, technology and bitcoin will not change market due to the low season! This is only a matter of time!
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If BTC price is quoted in Dollars and the QE unravels such that inflation is seen massively in the available supply of currency that will mean BTC price is going up as dollar becomes a far weaker standard.   At least for a year or so, probably more that'll be true.
If the economy is going bearish and not also increasingly buying US debt like somehow happened in 2008 then thats possible
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They must be buying OTC gold then, because the market as it is doesn't reflect the huge buyers interest that seems to be suggested here.
China is the worlds largest producer of gold, exports nothing and reports its purchases and holdings of gold irregularly and many think inaccurately.   Central banks have been net buyers of gold for a decade now, we'd have seen lower prices otherwise but I see no chance of them going below 800 like a proper reversion should be occuring.   Instead we have endless QE, not repayment, no budget surplus or trade growth that would reflect a good outcome to QE.    Nobody will say this as it might provoke the worst but the gold will keep getting bought up  for another decade I've no doubt, the price that results from that I guess is higher but nobody knows how high it'll go as that also depends how badly dollars fall.   

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think people use a lot of money to buy gold to preserve their money. It is not a new trend. When the economy stabilizes, they will definitely invest in crypto and the stock market. Do not worry, everything will be fine.
isn't gold a stable investment since time immemorial? and trust in gold is maintained. I think they will return to crypto if their trust returns. especially if the whales buy in large quantities, so that fomo will occur

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Maybe yes and maybe not. For those who have been disappointed with the crypto market, it seems that he will leave Crypto and switch to other assets such as gold or possibly real estate. But for those who still have high optimism and enthusiasm in crypto, then surely they will stay and just be patient to look forward to the next increase from the crypto market.

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December 07, 2018, 04:22:57 AM
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Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
They must be buying OTC gold then, because the market as it is doesn't reflect the huge buyers interest that seems to be suggested here. It's entirely possible like what happens with Bitcoin, but I doubt it at this stage.

Governments are mostly the first to notice that their economies will very likely perform poorly in the coming years, and would start accumulating as much gold as possible to hedge potential risk of devaluation asap.

We haven't yet seen the global economy go full bear to see what its effect is on Bitcoin at current stage. I guess the odds are high that it works against Bitcoin rather than for it, but I will applaud being proven wrong if so.

   Investment on Gold never disappeared...the 3rd quarter of this year Gold price value drops to lowest point as posted on the Stock Market Exchange.. then after such drops it slowly goes up again..investors are often shift some of their investment into another project with high potential of gain on either short term or long term investment. The significant of Investment on Gold is simple..it is a solid asset compared to crypto as Digital asset. still it is an individual choice where they want to invest.
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December 07, 2018, 06:52:56 AM
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Gold will continue to be relevant in the economy die to it relatively stable price and since it risk involvement is low gold will be the preferred choice of investment for people will low strength for risk. And just like the silver and the real estate investment it have physical value.
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December 07, 2018, 08:53:47 AM
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Maybe yes and maybe not. For those who have been disappointed with the crypto market, it seems that he will leave Crypto and switch to other assets such as gold or possibly real estate. But for those who still have high optimism and enthusiasm in crypto, then surely they will stay and just be patient to look forward to the next increase from the crypto market.
The question is how many of the loyal for cryptocurrency will be? For sure it will compromise the market price of bitcoin and will only play at lowest market price possible to be recorded for 2018-2019. This is for sure that cryptocurrency will never be like the good times again that all are happy.
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Yes, the price of gold will hit a record high in 2019, and gold is still the best safe haven in the world. The cryptocurrency market is not mature enough and there is a lot of instability. So gold will rise in the coming year.

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December 07, 2018, 12:44:21 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Gold does get its limelight only when government bonds and corporate stock for finding its downfall. Yes, gold is still a are very good alternate investment opportunity for institutional investors worldwide. Other than this, gold is always getting a place in everyone's portfolio just for the reason of diversification.
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December 07, 2018, 12:52:56 PM
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Cryptocurrency is something that can never come to an end. I don't believe that people will abandon crypto for gold, the market will surely recover very soon.
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I think if you look at the current market conditions it is not impossible many people think of investing again in gold and or silver, because they want investment commodities that are truly safe to save their funds and also profitable if stored for a long time
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December 07, 2018, 04:30:30 PM
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Gold has always been a safe choice for an investor, it won't make you rich but if you keep on hoarding gold like Smaug there is a big chance that any economical crisis or any collapse in market won't affect you as much as other investors. Gold is more of a safe bet and would make you gain gradual slow profits instead of big leaps.

Moreover, many people believe the same thing that if you are investing into gold, you might as well just keep it at fiat and put it on a savings account, at least you will not lose money that way neither. I think people who invest into gold are mainly old people, they already made enough investments in their lifetime and since they are old they don't want risks. Young people and even middle age people go for riskier but more rewarding investments.
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Crypto and gold are different way of thinking investment, Gold needs long time to get huge profit but Crypto can really pump your profit in a year or month or sometimes in a day. And we know people have different mind set and Most of people think that gold is safest way of investment where chances of loss is very less as compared to Crypto.it may be possible that people attract toward gold.

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December 07, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
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It is not a financial crisis that drives up the gold price but rather the reaction from central banks.
If they put negative interest rates to prevent the economy from collapsing, yes in this case the gold price rises.
But if you have a financial crisis and they do nothing your gold will be caught in the crisis. So by buying gold you suppose a crisis and that the central banks are going to panic. But for a European, it is certain that if there is another crisis I do not think Europe can survive a recession.  Roll Eyes


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December 07, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
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All the time investors are searching the best time and opportunity to invest in that and people will must come for gold because it is not easy to wait for the whole year and if in result the market not show any rise we have to use some other ways for making profit and investment in different sectors is the best way to make money for long term.

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Gold might be good to get into. There is talk that the stock market could be heading
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be a slow burner.

I too am quite positive in the long term for bitcoin regardless of all the FUD.

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December 07, 2018, 05:49:46 PM
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Not all people can avail gold in our time, only can afford people could have it. Though we all know that Gold was already an ancients, but of course, still majority of the people all over the world are don't have gold because its too expensive but compare into bitcoin it was surpassed by it. That's why even the price of bitcoin now was totally dumped I still believed it will bounce again, only I just  need to be patience and hold em in a long term as well until the time will come up to sell it.
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Not all people can avail gold in our time, only can afford people could have it. Though we all know that Gold was already an ancients, but of course, still majority of the people all over the world are don't have gold because its too expensive but compare into bitcoin it was surpassed by it. That's why even the price of bitcoin now was totally dumped I still believed it will bounce again, only I just  need to be patience and hold em in a long term as well until the time will come up to sell it.
Exactly, gold and cryptocurrency investments are having a different thing. I think people if they are a real crypto enthusiast gold is nothing for them. Crypto you can invest even a small fraction and gold is not, most probably those people trying to invest are those they can afford to lose or whatever they can afford. In my own, in this situation, I rather invest crypto than gold because I can buy while cheap and even small amount, I know soon it will bring a good ROI.
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Gold might be good to get into. There is talk that the stock market could be heading
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be a slow burner.

I too am quite positive in the long term for bitcoin regardless of all the FUD.
I don't think the crypto currency investors are going back to invest on gold now in large scale,this may happen because governmets want to save their value so they need to have more gold to backup since USD is weakening now when compared to previous year.I still believe bitcoin will be still preference for more investors but they are waiting for the right time to enters into the market.









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Some people always have some gold even when economy is good but naturally when economy is bad, more people interested in buying gold. Also silver and other worthy metals. When difficult times pass they sell those and get back to their currencies. That's how it goes.

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Gold is something that inspires the confidence of investors for hundreds of years, or even thousands!. It will never depreciate and therefore today, when the indices are falling all over the world, investors begin to shift their money to a safe place.
It is not gamblers who buy gold, but serious investors with large capital, because they are not interested in high interest rates and high risks.
Now just a time when everything is falling and it is necessary what to wait.. when all stabiliziruemost gold prices will again start to fall.

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Gold might be good to get into. There is talk that the stock market could be heading
for a bear trend and that could last a while. Gold might benefit from that but it would
be a slow burner.

I too am quite positive in the long term for bitcoin regardless of all the FUD.
I don't think the crypto currency investors are going back to invest on gold now in large scale,this may happen because governmets want to save their value so they need to have more gold to backup since USD is weakening now when compared to previous year.I still believe bitcoin will be still preference for more investors but they are waiting for the right time to enters into the market.
No i meant stock market investors might go into gold.
There will definitely be more investment into bitcoin and crypto and now
may not be a time that appeals to them.

I could never read the markets so we may see a bit more falling before
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December 08, 2018, 01:49:54 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

most likely the safest asset is gold, where its existence is certain and liquidity is recognized by all countries. As long as the cryptocurrency is not stable, investing in gold is a good choice for us in the long run
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December 08, 2018, 01:53:11 AM
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well i think that gold will always favorable for many people to invest i guess and that so, people will always going back to gold again if that are happen, because we know that if gold are already use before we realised that paper money

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December 08, 2018, 05:33:30 AM
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Gold might be good to get into. There is talk that the stock market could be heading
for a bear trend and that could last a while. Gold might benefit from that but it would
be a slow burner.

I too am quite positive in the long term for bitcoin regardless of all the FUD.
I don't think the crypto currency investors are going back to invest on gold now in large scale,this may happen because governmets want to save their value so they need to have more gold to backup since USD is weakening now when compared to previous year.I still believe bitcoin will be still preference for more investors but they are waiting for the right time to enters into the market.
No i meant stock market investors might go into gold.
There will definitely be more investment into bitcoin and crypto and now
may not be a time that appeals to them.

I could never read the markets so we may see a bit more falling before
they decide to jump in.
Looks like some of the stock market investors were jumped into the cryptos again? Because when I wakeup this morening the prices were again going greenish for all the coins.Hope to see many more investors now before then end of this year to uplift the prices to some good certain level.









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December 08, 2018, 06:11:38 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold always safe haven assets and its more safe to keep our funds in gold. When economic crisis happen, most investor prefer convert their investment to gold. I think gold is good investment in uncertain market and anybody can accept gold when we need money for emergency.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think people use a lot of money to buy gold to preserve their money. It is not a new trend. When the economy stabilizes, they will definitely invest in crypto and the stock market. Do not worry, everything will be fine.

But if we compare between gold and crypto, its still far from the goals if we think its all were same. Gold from a long time has been used in all sector and industries, its still valuable, Moreover, gold has a physical form which make it so easy to prove how valuable it is. But in crypto without a physical form and still have much case and controversy, That was can caused these prices unstable. Manipulation in gold also didn't affect to world economy, for now people aware to Oil manipulation.


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December 08, 2018, 07:06:37 AM
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I don't see a bright future for gold. In two of the major markets (India and China), the demand for gold has been going down continuously for the past 6-7 years. And the future trends are also negative.
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December 08, 2018, 07:20:52 AM
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I don't see a bright future for gold. In two of the major markets (India and China), the demand for gold has been going down continuously for the past 6-7 years. And the future trends are also negative.
Don't think so,Gold is always precious metal and good safe investment because where the prices never fell too much like any other investment and more over we can call it as storage of value over th investment because the growth rate is very low when compared to others.Demand maybe decreased on those countires just only because of they are facing more economical problems due to inflation and bad government administration so people were out of money to save anything for their future.









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December 08, 2018, 07:30:37 AM
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I dont believe thats correct, India is trying to restrict the movement of gold and use within its borders.  They have notably removed entire bank notes from circulation as viable currency over night while trying to clamp down on the cash economy.   This was done in order to favour central government control over the economy for taxes and revenue, to aid regulation of India as a whole rather then the divided country it has been in the past.

India might easily view gold as opposite to that central control of money and capital flows within its economy, I dont think they are positive on its use by the people.  However the people who are always more important when calling a trend are positive on gold and gold has a long history in India going back many centuries as the only real money to pass within and between families.   Most commonly this would be demonstrated in weddings I guess but also gold is used for security in a business, many still save this way AFAIK

Same for China the people respect gold still as not just jewellery but traditional money.   I think this is far more true for these two growing countries then is reflected anywhere in the west, we are fully signed up to credit here and seemingly happy to accept the inflation and sponge like nature to value that comes with it in each boom bust cycle.

As a westerner I'm not sure we are even able to recognise money any more minus the credit and centralised government bank influence, its been generations since we had solid money so the idea is a mystery to us more or less.   In Asia either through tradition or just every day use they recognise the concept or feeling far better.   Thats just my guess but I dont think they ever lost the thread of capital exchange via precious metals like we have done so absolutely here.
   They definitely do have the debt and paper money, central banks and all we have but also have kept a better respect for gold.   In Vietnam they buy houses with gold bars apparently, the price in paper would vary far too much over night and cause problems in holding an agreed price a house cant be sold fast enough I guess for it not to be a problem.  Vietnam also has giant amounts of inflation, printing and a lower labour cost then China, they are growing and with knowledge of gold as a vital backstop.   If the future should bring financial trouble again like a decade ago, I think many countries will be using gold and trusting value from it.

 How well gold competes vs others alternative standards is debatable but as a great fan of technology I wont believe gold goes away in my lifetime

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December 08, 2018, 09:38:01 AM
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Why not? it could happen. Because as long as the price of the digital currency has deteriorated , people will switch to investing their money by buying gold. Gold is the safest asset in the long run. And gold will always be profitable for most people to make investments.

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Why do we need to battle between gold and Bitcoin? They are both sentimental and valuable in our economy. I do not want to buy gold or invest for it since I am not a luxurious person who wants jewelries. I am a simple person and I am satisfied with bitcoin even it is so low right now.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think people use a lot of money to buy gold to preserve their money. It is not a new trend. When the economy stabilizes, they will definitely invest in crypto and the stock market. Do not worry, everything will be fine.
But most investors are choosing the investment opportunities based on how quickly they could get more returns for their investments. When the economy stabilizes, the returns from normal stocks and shares will be very less then there will be plenty of chances for more investors get into crypto currencies. But, gold will always having stable running still people prefer to invest on it just for the reason of having it as a store of value.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People didn't really left from Gold they just diversify to crypto because they want to earn more than just in one source of income.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People didn't really left from Gold they just diversify to crypto because they want to earn more than just in one source of income.
right, gold has been trusted since ancient times until now. entering crypto only takes advantage of opportunities to make greater profits. for those who are experienced, I think that I still invest part of the funds in gold. Moreover, gold is currently at the highest price since July. which is inversely proportional to crypto

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I don't see that people mostly move or turn on Bitcoin even though it is now increasingly becoming trend of digital era. Gold, silver and real estate still becoming best choice and priority investment. Bitcoin is just becoming an alternative investment even though it offers much more return of investment than conventional investment.

So, this topic is a little bit ambiguous because gold and silver were not completely left. It is becoming favorite because it is more secure and low risky.

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December 08, 2018, 01:44:51 PM
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Maybe yes and maybe not. For those who have been disappointed with the crypto market, it seems that he will leave Crypto and switch to other assets such as gold or possibly real estate. But for those who still have high optimism and enthusiasm in crypto, then surely they will stay and just be patient to look forward to the next increase from the crypto market.

The richest people manage to invest in all profitable things. They certainly buy gold and store it in the banks. They invest in real estate. They buy many Bitcoins when the crypto falls like now.
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December 08, 2018, 02:09:40 PM
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Gold will always have it's use outside of bitcoin.  Of course there is the manufacturing process which uses small amounts of gold.  Also if a major crisis happens where the electrical grid is shut down bitcoin will be nearly worthless and gold will be the king.  Anyways you should always diversify and it doesn't hurt to own at least some gold.
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for me investing in gold is very good but for the long term and the risks involved are also quite small compared to investments in crypto, but to trade every day I think crypto is better than gold but for me personally I still like to invest in crypto and still believe prices will grow someday.

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Why not? it could happen. Because as long as the price of the digital currency has deteriorated , people will switch to investing their money by buying gold. Gold is the safest asset in the long run. And gold will always be profitable for most people to make investments.

I am confused by these thread, why would people come back to Gold? Gold is still one of the best investment for a long time now, people will not come back to Gold, if you will be saying it I guess it will be, they will be now focusing more on Gold than Bitcoin in which I think they are still doing in the past since most of them are thinking that Bitcoin is just a bubble.

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December 08, 2018, 03:30:15 PM
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I dont believe thats correct, India is trying to restrict the movement of gold and use within its borders.  They have notably removed entire bank notes from circulation as viable currency over night while trying to clamp down on the cash economy.   This was done in order to favour central government control over the economy for taxes and revenue, to aid regulation of India as a whole rather then the divided country it has been in the past.

India might easily view gold as opposite to that central control of money and capital flows within its economy, I dont think they are positive on its use by the people.  However the people who are always more important when calling a trend are positive on gold and gold has a long history in India going back many centuries as the only real money to pass within and between families.   Most commonly this would be demonstrated in weddings I guess but also gold is used for security in a business, many still save this way AFAIK

Same for China the people respect gold still as not just jewellery but traditional money.   I think this is far more true for these two growing countries then is reflected anywhere in the west, we are fully signed up to credit here and seemingly happy to accept the inflation and sponge like nature to value that comes with it in each boom bust cycle.

As a westerner I'm not sure we are even able to recognise money any more minus the credit and centralised government bank influence, its been generations since we had solid money so the idea is a mystery to us more or less.   In Asia either through tradition or just every day use they recognise the concept or feeling far better.   Thats just my guess but I dont think they ever lost the thread of capital exchange via precious metals like we have done so absolutely here.
   They definitely do have the debt and paper money, central banks and all we have but also have kept a better respect for gold.   In Vietnam they buy houses with gold bars apparently, the price in paper would vary far too much over night and cause problems in holding an agreed price a house cant be sold fast enough I guess for it not to be a problem.  Vietnam also has giant amounts of inflation, printing and a lower labour cost then China, they are growing and with knowledge of gold as a vital backstop.   If the future should bring financial trouble again like a decade ago, I think many countries will be using gold and trusting value from it.

 How well gold competes vs others alternative standards is debatable but as a great fan of technology I wont believe gold goes away in my lifetime

But still, do you know who are the biggest consumers worldwide with gold? Indian women (I didn't verify, to be honest, I just watched a documentary long ago on the gold topic). So they won't stop to consume, it's something integrated in their culture, and I don't think a government removing a banknote is doing something on gold. Some EU countries are thinking to remove the 500€ banknotes (that we never use or never see once, and the stupid 0.01€ 0.02€ coins)

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December 08, 2018, 05:51:39 PM
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Why not? it could happen. Because as long as the price of the digital currency has deteriorated , people will switch to investing their money by buying gold. Gold is the safest asset in the long run. And gold will always be profitable for most people to make investments.

I am confused by these thread, why would people come back to Gold? Gold is still one of the best investment for a long time now, people will not come back to Gold, if you will be saying it I guess it will be, they will be now focusing more on Gold than Bitcoin in which I think they are still doing in the past since most of them are thinking that Bitcoin is just a bubble.

People will not come back to gold. There is no real use of gold rather than just keep it save for long term. You cannot do trading or use it as a currency like bitcoin.

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December 08, 2018, 08:32:23 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People didn't really left from Gold they just diversify to crypto because they want to earn more than just in one source of income.
You could be right but if we take look of the history we can see use of gold has been reduce after the Revival of crypto currency. According to me gold is an old way to make money which is very slow earning so now  in this age it’s not worth earning and it can never beat crypto currency as crypto investments is at peak now a day.

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December 08, 2018, 10:14:19 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

most likely the safest asset is gold, where its existence is certain and liquidity is recognized by all countries. As long as the cryptocurrency is not stable, investing in gold is a good choice for us in the long run

Yes, you have your point there. Gold may bring the biggest functionality and it gives brightness to all. Not everyone will have this kind of opportunity but it may bring investment in the country. Like cryptocurrency though it is not stable but it gives advantages to all.
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Gold already know for centuries and people always loving gold. If economic crisis happen again, people will buying gold for their safety because not many people knowing about bitcoin. I am believe Gold is safe have investment and Gold is always first choice when crisis happen
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December 09, 2018, 04:11:07 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold always safe haven assets and its more safe to keep our funds in gold. When economic crisis happen, most investor prefer convert their investment to gold. I think gold is good investment in uncertain market and anybody can accept gold when we need money for emergency.
The main reason why gold will always have value is that everyone in the world has agreed that gold is a valuable object. So everyone won't be worried when he has gold as a place to save money even if there is a price decline. In contrast to cryptocurrency, there are only a few people who have agreed that cryptocurrency is a place that has value, they are still questioning things that are technical in nature, so that when the price drops like what has happened will make everyone worried.
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Gold already know for centuries and people always loving gold. If economic crisis happen again, people will buying gold for their safety because not many people knowing about bitcoin. I am believe Gold is safe have investment and Gold is always first choice when crisis happen
Gold has always been a very good investment choice from the past until now. this is because the price of gold continues to rise, and is increasingly valuable every year. of course I will also invest in gold if I think I'm ready.

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December 09, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

In periods of financial instability, gold has always outperformed the other sectors. This could be the reason why we saw some more activity within the gold market this year, compared to the last few years.

Obviously, there is pretty much no chance that gold will ever be able to return to being a currency like it once was, but it's still a global standard of store of value. If there was to be a recession in the economy, which is possible soon given the span of time that we have went without one now, we could see a resurgence in gold prices for sure.

But one interesting thing to see is whether or not institutions would put aside some of their funds into BTC as an alternative store of value to gold, which is imo probably more attractive as a longer term investment than precious metals, given that the value of precious metals is likely not to have large gains even in its bull markets given its maturity as an asset class. I guess volatility is an issue, but risk seeking institutions that are able to hold BTC for the long run could see this as a legitimate viable alternative investment vehicle that is independent from the fiat economy in times of crisis.
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Why not? it could happen. Because as long as the price of the digital currency has deteriorated , people will switch to investing their money by buying gold. Gold is the safest asset in the long run. And gold will always be profitable for most people to make investments.

I am confused by these thread, why would people come back to Gold? Gold is still one of the best investment for a long time now, people will not come back to Gold, if you will be saying it I guess it will be, they will be now focusing more on Gold than Bitcoin in which I think they are still doing in the past since most of them are thinking that Bitcoin is just a bubble.
I don't think I'm going back to gold because many of us are still investing in gold even though bitcoin investment or other technologies are becoming mainstream. gold is not an obsolete investment you know. gold has been around for a long time and will always be in accordance with the times. so I don't think we come back to gold. because we will always invest in gold
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Why not? it could happen. Because as long as the price of the digital currency has deteriorated , people will switch to investing their money by buying gold. Gold is the safest asset in the long run. And gold will always be profitable for most people to make investments.

I am confused by these thread, why would people come back to Gold? Gold is still one of the best investment for a long time now, people will not come back to Gold, if you will be saying it I guess it will be, they will be now focusing more on Gold than Bitcoin in which I think they are still doing in the past since most of them are thinking that Bitcoin is just a bubble.
You don't need to be confused, it is their choice and we cannot do anything. For some investors who have less confidence in cryptocurrency, it can happen, but not for investors who still believe in cryptocurrency, they will still choose Bitcoin to invest. In fact, they will choose altcoin which they think is potentially.
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December 09, 2018, 10:39:53 PM
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Real investors have never abandoned gold. In spite of any innovation, gold has retained its value for thousands of years, and has been the safe haven in the face of wars, revolution and crisis. So, ok crypto, but .... also gold!

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gold will never die, people will continue to invest in gold, there is even a cryptocurrency Investment, people still continue to invest in stable gold, many continue to use and prices will continue to rise.
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I don't think gold will be leveraged in the financial system nearly as much as it was in the past. However, every portfolio should have a certain amount of percentage points / exposure to every asset. Gold is a healthy asset to hold, much like cryptocurrency would be (even considering the risk)

To sum: I don't think Gold will be where it once was, but I do think with fear in the market it's usage may increase.

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December 10, 2018, 02:20:45 AM
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not many people know crypto in the general public. people prefer gold as an investment that is safe and quite tempting. Crypto prices are very difficult to guess even though the potential for profits is quite large. I prefer gold for long-term investment. if to take for a short profit from crypto I just do daily trading on the market.
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December 10, 2018, 02:21:40 AM
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safe investment is gold, and this gold investment can only be done by large investors with large funds, very stupid if I only have 1000 USD to invest in gold, which gives a 2% profit in a very long period of time
you better buy bitcoin when the price crashes and sell it with a minimum profit of 5%, and do it repeatedly
it's more profitable than buying gold, IMO
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December 10, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
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The performance of cryptocurrencies in 2018 was very low, so many investors withdrew from the cryptocurrency market!
The stock market is also facing the possibility of collapse, so in order to protect its assets, gold may be a good investment!
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December 10, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
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I think that gold could be good investment, gold standard is more reliable than fiat standard, but question will be, is that in favor for central banks and monetary system, I do not think so.

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December 10, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
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No, because I see that they still believe on bitcoin. They are just waiting for some time that bear market will going to end. The decision nowadays for the investors is hard for we do not really know when will bitcoin going to stop falling. For now, joining cryptocurrency may consider dangerous and risky. This is just my opinion and I have the strong feeling that others may think like this also.
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December 10, 2018, 11:58:51 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold's are good investment to begin with. With low volatility it is good to have it and keep. That aside, crypto is the counterpart of it which is more volatile yet it has a higher return.

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gold will never die, people will continue to invest in gold, there is even a cryptocurrency Investment, people still continue to invest in stable gold, many continue to use and prices will continue to rise.

that is true. Gold is a precious metal not only for consumers but there are some very good benefits of gold in other businesses. If we can keep people from consuming gold for show off purposes it's actually best metal there is that can be used to fix many human problems in variety of ways.

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December 10, 2018, 12:38:54 PM
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The performance of cryptocurrencies in 2018 was very low, so many investors withdrew from the cryptocurrency market!
The stock market is also facing the possibility of collapse, so in order to protect its assets, gold may be a good investment!
Gold is one of the most stable investments in the world, because the price is always increasing. When the crypto market weakened, many crypto owners sold it and bought gold. But speculators don't like it because the price tends to be stable, so the capital turnover is not as fast as investment in crypto. Only people who want to be quiet in investing buy gold.
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Temporally speaking we are overdue a recession. CB's buying reserves makes sense to prop up the currency.

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December 10, 2018, 03:46:51 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Recently I have been tracking only news about cryptocurrency and I don’t know how profitable it can be to invest in gold. I think the older generation is keen on this and young people will invest in cryptocurrency.
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Gold is the largest market in the world, I think this will continue to be the choice of society and will not lose its appeal. The diminishing interest of crypto because of the tedious fluctuations that made gold began to attract the society again. It seems that in the first quarter of 2019 investor interest in the gold market has increased. Maybe you are right, because people's concerns about some of the problems that you mentioned make people start to be attracted back to gold.
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Gold is relatively stable and survives I think gold has no shortcomings and has been trusted for decades.
no one turned away from gold, while crypto had a big difference and was difficult to equate with gold.
only certain people can survive with crypto.
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Gold investments are permanent investmest , I know people have already this kind of investments , what they are trying is to have a leap to new investment which is crypto, others will say that cryptocurrency is not an investment ,but I think it is ,we put up money capital in here to buy coins ,and you want to profit for your money, as this market is still falldown ,maybe the investors are still observing the market.

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gold will never die, people will continue to invest in gold, there is even a cryptocurrency Investment, people still continue to invest in stable gold, many continue to use and prices will continue to rise.

that is true. Gold is a precious metal not only for consumers but there are some very good benefits of gold in other businesses. If we can keep people from consuming gold for show off purposes it's actually best metal there is that can be used to fix many human problems in variety of ways.
the point is gold is not an investment that was knocked out today and then people will return to gold, gold has already been used by
many people as an investment or jewelry so I don't think that people will come back to gold. but gold already become main investment for everyone
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gold used to be used as an exchange tool for buying and selling jewelry, until now gold has turned into an investment that is popular among the public
crypto is a good alternative for long-term investment, I feel that many people benefit from crypto who have invested for 5 years and we can see that from the journey of blockchain and crypto.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Actually all countries competting to obtain gold then hoarding it. USD don't has intrinsic value so countries who make it as reserve currency only save an enough amount to make them safe from America and world economy system. All countries concern in gold. The more gold they have then the stronger economy for those countries. People get saturated to use paper money so they will back to use gold but it is unpractical so maybe people will make bitcoin as the representative of gold.

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gold used to be used as an exchange tool for buying and selling jewelry, until now gold has turned into an investment that is popular among the public
crypto is a good alternative for long-term investment, I feel that many people benefit from crypto who have invested for 5 years and we can see that from the journey of blockchain and crypto.
yes, most likely gold will be the main target of all this. since the beginning, gold has been used as a transaction tool, and even now, gold is still the thing to look for because the price is very expensive.


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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
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Ideally that choice to hold some gold would already be there, its always a good idea to diversify.  If tech shares were to go up, its not a negative to take 1% out of the booming sector and place it into gold.
Gold is the kind of thing you save just a tiny bit every year for a pension type investment.   Never buy too much gold because its just a very heavy counterweight or hedge against the worst outcomes in an economy or politics or even war, trade wars even.   Anything can happen right, thats the idea of gold to mitigate the extremes most often in deleveraging of assets but also inflation and others.

BTC has an extreme of deleveraging at the moment, I do think it will catch up and settle like it has previously but all the same I dont want all the weight in a boat on just one side so gold is always smart to hold in the very long term.    Countries which do not have any gold reserves can end up in trouble

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Lol only people inside cryptocurrency has this same question in mind,but the majority of people in the world never leave holding Golds.and same as what i did,though a hold crypto coins and tokens in my folio but i still hold golds for physical investment since i leave banking service couple of years ago,but my trust in gold remain as i started to trust cryptocurrencies
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
It looks like that but in actual there is a fall in the stock market and for that people are storing their money in gold as they think it as a solid asset in which they think their money secured for the long term and for that reason its price increasing so many more are coming to it. Maybe the situation change in the future.
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December 11, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
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December 11, 2018, 08:18:15 AM
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I do not believe it, who likes encryption, blockchain, technology and bitcoin will not change market due to the low season! This is only a matter of time!
For an investor, encryption or blockchain technology or anything related to these are nothing. They just calculate what they will be getting back for their capital. Liking any of these is very less significant factor here. So, I am believing more investors will get into crypto currencies in future but I agree it will take more time as bitcoin needs to prove itself.

Maybe yes and maybe not. For those who have been disappointed with the crypto market, it seems that he will leave Crypto and switch to other assets such as gold or possibly real estate. But for those who still have high optimism and enthusiasm in crypto, then surely they will stay and just be patient to look forward to the next increase from the crypto market.
Will you leave cryptos for the reason of investing into gold ? Definitely I will not. Because, we need to compare ROI of gold and crypto currencies. Because, ROI is the prime reason why people are choosing crypto currencies by leaving of all other investment opportunities. If you want your investment to be stable then you may go for gold. I guess for this reason alone people are coming back to gold.
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December 11, 2018, 08:23:53 AM
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Gold will continue to be relevant in the economy die to it relatively stable price and since it risk involvement is low gold will be the preferred choice of investment for people will low strength for risk. And just like the silver and the real estate investment it have physical value.
What is physical value ? Why do you think bitcoin is not having such a value ? If you think deeply, gold is just a metal and any currency is just a paper, still why you are considering it will be having physical value ?

Bitcoin is having physical value in electronic mode. If you give USD to a tribal then he may not recognize it. Similarly if you consider bitcoin is not having any physical value, it will show your lack of knowledge. Nothing else.
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Gold will retain its value into the future for the simple reason that it always has. People have valued gold for over 3,000 years. It is the ultimate form of money. No matter what the social, political, or financial climate has been in the world, gold has never gone to zero or defrauded an investor. Besides that, gold stands today as an excellent wealth and portfolio diversifier.
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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
although the price increase is not like cryptocurrency, but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment. this has been trusted from ancient times, even from the royal story of my country, gold has become a prima donna for the symbol of a person's prosperity

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold's are good investment to begin with. With low volatility it is good to have it and keep. That aside, crypto is the counterpart of it which is more volatile yet it has a higher return.
because at any time the gold will not be abandoned by investors even though there are promising investment places such as crypto, so these two investments will continue to run until later

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December 11, 2018, 03:18:24 PM
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Gold is a good investment, and its quite more stable compare to cryptocurrency so for sure, those who are hardcore investors will go for this option. We should not depend on one source of income, if there’s a chance to earn in other market much better beside its hard to earn in cryptomarket now so people will really look for alternatives. We have to choose for our own sake, don’t listen to anyone’s opinion and be confident about your investment decision, gold and cryptocurrency are both good investments it just a matter of time.
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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
although the price increase is not like cryptocurrency, but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment. this has been trusted from ancient times, even from the royal story of my country, gold has become a prima donna for the symbol of a person's prosperity

Lol exactly, since early human history, gold has always been symbolic for wealth and abundance

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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
although the price increase is not like cryptocurrency, but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment. this has been trusted from ancient times, even from the royal story of my country, gold has become a prima donna for the symbol of a person's prosperity

Lol exactly, since early human history, gold has always been symbolic for wealth and abundance

People never leave gold in the very first place, even years gold never fails and it is useful in everything. And I also believe that gold is suitable for long term investment.
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December 11, 2018, 07:49:44 PM
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Gold is a good investment, and its quite more stable compare to cryptocurrency so for sure, those who are hardcore investors will go for this option. We should not depend on one source of income, if there’s a chance to earn in other market much better beside its hard to earn in cryptomarket now so people will really look for alternatives. We have to choose for our own sake, don’t listen to anyone’s opinion and be confident about your investment decision, gold and cryptocurrency are both good investments it just a matter of time.
Diversifying your portfolio is valid for these situations. It is not only within the cryptocurrency, diversifying between trading assets can prevent you from loosing. One of these assets is gold that some part of the money should be invested. Covering the volatile movement of cryptocurrency with slow movement of the gold can reduce your loss at least.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think that gold is one of the most important investments in the economy of any country, it will not be cheaper as for example platinum at the moment. Whether it is necessary to compare investments in crypto or gold. I choose gold. it is more reliable

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We can't neglect such thing if they won't find great things in crypto. Investors find ways in order to make their money growing and crypto isn't providing good right now which lead them from shifting into other form of investment. But it doesn't mean, they lift everything in crypto, still business will continue.



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December 12, 2018, 12:10:40 AM
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I don't know exactly about the other regions but from ASIA you cannot take gold away. They are crazy about gold and they are ready to invest in gold any time. I think this year investors are more interested in Gold as compared to crypto currency. Now Let's wait for the mid January to have an idea of BTC price.
not all countries in Asia have good internet connections, so indeed for regions that are still underdeveloped it will be very difficult to be able to trade bitcoin, for some regions they are not familiar with bitcoin, so they are more interested in gold investations, but for regions urban areas, especially in developed countries such as Korea, Japan, Singapore and other countries that are already advancing, then the public starts infesting in crypto, there needs to be comprehensive socialization in all regions regarding the experience of bitcoin currencies, if this happens then the public can start investing in crypto currency.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Governments are going to try to avoid that people go back to gold because they cannot control it as well as they can control their fiat currency and there are many suspicions that governments are suppressing the price of gold so people do not get tempted to buy it but at some point they are going to lose the battle against gold if the economies of the world keep performing the way they do.
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Maybe will many investor back make investment at gold, many investor have confused with how drop and lower price of bitcoin at this year and never have growing price for bitcoin, they have looking new way how to make money with gold investment.

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Maybe will many investor back make investment at gold, many investor have confused with how drop and lower price of bitcoin at this year and never have growing price for bitcoin, they have looking new way how to make money with gold investment.
well, there's no need to doubt an investor, because they might have invested a lot in gold. the question is whether we will return to gold, and the answer is yes. gold is still a valuable thing to date, of course everyone thinks that gold is the best investment.

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December 12, 2018, 10:57:13 AM
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I think that gold could be good investment, gold standard is more reliable than fiat standard, but question will be, is that in favor for central banks and monetary system, I do not think so.
Gold for sure has always been a very good investment, but in the case where there is a possible or looming financial crisis, it is normal for investors to start pulling their funds into a trusted asset, which of course, considering the rate at which gold has been bullish kind of proves that. We all know what sets gold apart over the years is its ability to at least retain its value to some great extent irrespective of external factors.
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December 12, 2018, 01:16:54 PM
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Maybe or maybe not as their is still hope for cryptocurrency. The only problem that hinders the idea of bitcoin being treated like a gold is the way we look at it today. If we will use it for a good purpose and for a good reason then we can create a real market so that people will never change their minds. The problem is that there was too much FUD and their were too many who are just holding coins and never really trying to make it usable in a realistic market. This is the missing piece for progress of bitcoin.

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December 13, 2018, 03:50:24 PM
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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
although the price increase is not like cryptocurrency, but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment. this has been trusted from ancient times, even from the royal story of my country, gold has become a prima donna for the symbol of a person's prosperity

Gold has been the best investment for thousands of years. Nothing has changed since ancient times. People still believe that if they invest in this precious metal, they can become wealthy with time.
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Gold is old form and will always remain as it is approved by the world government and people . Crypto currency not being accepted by few countries and many are undecided yet so gold was and still remain the investment option like previous years it existed .

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December 13, 2018, 04:52:52 PM
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Gold is old form and will always remain as it is approved by the world government and people . Crypto currency not being accepted by few countries and many are undecided yet so gold was and still remain the investment option like previous years it existed .
When you are stress and you are looking for diversions, gold is always a good backup in any form of investment we can see true investors to comeback and divert their money to this form as they knew that opportunities are always open by holding golds as a good assets, afterwards when crypto begin again to erise igh time will come again and investors will reinvest their money back to this market.

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December 13, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
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Since the past, gold has been made as one of the precious metals that is very desirable for everyone,
For this reason, gold is currently considered as a profitable investment for the wider community.
Bottom line:
1. although today there are many ways to invest, therefore gold remains the number one choice in getting profits in the future.
2. Certainly this is because gold is an item whose price tends to continue to rise and rarely decreases significantly.
3. hence, the more days the desire of people to save gold is increasing.

I conclude that, gold investment is an investment that can provide many benefits for investors. (Good luck and remain careful in carrying out this investment).

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December 13, 2018, 05:33:17 PM
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IMO the present day fractional reserve system cannot survive much longer. They will need to go back to gold or BTC or whatever.

They are literally printing money to manipulate markets as they please.

Here's a headline you thought you'd never see on Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-13/markets-in-turmoil-the-bull-case-is-compelling

"Economic slowdown might be good for stocks"

Let that sink in for a moment. Economic slowdown => Good for stocks???

The only reason an economic slowdown is "good" for stocks is because the FED will print more money to fight the slowdown.

And when they print money YOU don't see a penny of it.

They print money for banks to manipulate the stock markets. It's absurd.

This is not a free market.

Whether it's gold or Bitcoin, they will need to go back to some sort of reserves that limit the amount of financial fraud. What we have today is a massive fraud of unseen proportions.

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December 13, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
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Gold is old form and will always remain as it is approved by the world government and people . Crypto currency not being accepted by few countries and many are undecided yet so gold was and still remain the investment option like previous years it existed .
Right.Gold has never lost its value just like the old times.Even some members of my family are into gold too.But knowing the fact that bitcoin has much more value than gold,so people still chose bitcoin over gold.So when the price of bitcoin continues to drop,gold investment has always been a good revenue too.

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but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment.

Long term:  Gold is flat, it gains nothing as the value of gold is in wealth mostly.  Gold can be industrial to a small extent and it is unique but mostly its too expensive and highly prized in a monetary sense not industry

Short term:  Gold falls often on currency strength, when interest rates rise it combats the 0% yield that gold gives.   Gold can definitely fall in price

medium term:  Gold has fallen since 2011 and this term of 7 years is short to medium term for this kind of asset.     The story is speculation I think and market perception, price is not always accurate and buyers do not declare holdings or purchases to discourage any competition to their reserve accumulation.   I think this is the strategy of the Chinese central bank, Russia is quite plain on favouring gold for a while now

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December 14, 2018, 02:11:35 AM
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I think no one leave the gold investments just for crypto currency but its just happen that crypto currency is much convenience to invest than Gold. Just imagine that gold is physical that you need to keep them in a safest place for your future selling. So i think no one leave but maybe only few want to invest in gold before.
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December 14, 2018, 02:24:00 AM
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I think no one leave the gold investments just for crypto currency but its just happen that crypto currency is much convenience to invest than Gold. Just imagine that gold is physical that you need to keep them in a safest place for your future selling. So i think no one leave but maybe only few want to invest in gold before.
I feel that everyone is trying to have a lot of gold. well, of course, because gold has prices that tend to rise and of course stable. in fact, gold has long been made an investment. maybe other investments are only made an alternative because of the difficulty of finding gold now.
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December 14, 2018, 02:43:48 AM
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In my opinion. everyone still uses gold as an investment tool at any time. even now gold is still used for investment even though the crypto currency has circulated. and currently, crypto currencies experience very bad price fluctuations. many crypto users sell assets and switch investments to other fields just to avoid large losses. and gold is one of their choices.
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December 14, 2018, 02:46:59 AM
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Gold can be equally convenient to crypto probably.    The main difference is centralisation of value, the gold would rely on a ledger with a physical store or vault of gold somewhere.  So gold is stuck in the very conventional finance world, all you do to mitigate the contagion effect is to ensure its not leveraged in anyway at all.

Gold can be traded in quite small divisions on propriety systems, likely closed system.   But I have heard of a gold backed Visa card, I dont think its super cheap but its not beyond the average worker to use this kind of accounting for their personal finances.
I hold gold mostly as long term asset, if I have to hold it decades so be it but it can be used more frequently in the digital age.    Gold ETF is one of the most popular holdings people know about and use, personally I prefer the off market operations and I dont day trade gold as its full of politics


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December 14, 2018, 04:56:27 AM
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I think that some people will shift to gold and some will move to the stock market then it is very good for us to move on in the crypto world and gold is the asset which is ever useful in the world and for me it is important to make sure that now a days investment is the key to success for me.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
If you look at the situation in these countries, maybe what you say is true, in recent years investment in some countries will mostly return to gold, but I'm sure it won't take long to return to crypto.

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with the current market conditions, maybe people will come back to choose gold to invest because gold is safer and has a smaller risk of crypto and they don't have to lose a lot of money and become poor in crypto
Gold has always been an important part of a diversified investment portfolio for a very long time and basically nothing has changed that due to how the price tend to increase in response to events that results in the decrease in value of other investments such as stocks, bonds and the likes. We are already seeing that, and obviously looking at the reaction lately with the bullish nature of gold, that simply depicts one thing we all already know.
although the price increase is not like cryptocurrency, but with gold, the trend seems to always be bullish, so many people think that gold is indeed suitable for long-term investment. this has been trusted from ancient times, even from the royal story of my country, gold has become a prima donna for the symbol of a person's prosperity

Lol exactly, since early human history, gold has always been symbolic for wealth and abundance

I even suppose that most of Bitcoin holders that are rich enough invest mostly in gold. They can love cryptocurrency and believe in its future, but they also trust this precious metal.
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December 14, 2018, 01:03:18 PM
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Depend on how give profit with bitcoin and gold, when gold could give more profitable will make many bitcoin investor change their investment to gold, but when bitcoin is back they will back to bitcoin or altcoin investment.
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December 14, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
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I think if bitcoin is still unstable at the market price it is better at HODL and after that it returns to gold and in my opinion it is our solution that can be profitable in investing
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December 14, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.


In the global financial market smells the beginning of the crisis. It is therefore not surprising that many governments and people in general buy gold. They want to secure their assets.

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December 14, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
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I think that some people will shift to gold and some will move to the stock market then it is very good for us to move on in the crypto world and gold is the asset which is ever useful in the world and for me it is important to make sure that now a days investment is the key to success for me.

Gold is already an expensive investment and I don't think that people will be "shifting" their investment to gold but to other things. If they will be "shifting" then that means you are saying that they will be selling their Bitcoins in the market with a lower price while that means that it will be a loss for them. Instead of shifting, they should wait and be patient.

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December 15, 2018, 01:29:06 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold always be a first choice for some people. Gold already known as safe haven investment for centuries and the price always resistant compare inflation. If economic crisis come, i am believe gold price will rising because many investor prefer secure their asset value in gold

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People have a number of options for long term investment like some people go for investing in stocks while some people investing in crypto some of them investing in gold and silver and some invest in food products but we have to check that which one is easy for us and we can do that so identifying the best opportunity is a good thing.

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It could just happen, gold becomes an asset that makes it no loss, suitable for people who are afraid of high risk. But for people who are happy with adventurers in terms of investment, they will dare to take big risks and will continue to explore the potential of themselves in their lives. This will be extraordinary when discovering new things in him and blockchain technology, let alone succeed in conquering bitcoin.

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I think that some people will shift to gold and some will move to the stock market then it is very good for us to move on in the crypto world and gold is the asset which is ever useful in the world and for me it is important to make sure that now a days investment is the key to success for me.

Even the people that constantly work with different cryptocurrencies realize that the investments must bring the returns. Therefore, they also buy real estate and gold which is a good choice.
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December 16, 2018, 05:41:02 PM
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Gold is great but Bitcoin is better. There are many reasons why Bitcoin isn't as popular.
-it's much younger
-not many people know about it
-it's not easy to buy because you have to get used to exchanges and understand how they work
-bitcoin ATMs are still hard to find in many parts of the world

In time people will learn about Bitcoin and those who do won't choose gold over it.
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It seems to me that now the value of gold is too exaggerated because the main value now is digital assets such as Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Although gold will undoubtedly remain in trend for a long time.
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Its because they wanted for stable investment and secured, many people are getting disappointed because of what happening right now in crypto currency, even me if i can afford to buy a gold i do not hessitate to have and hold for a long period of time since gold was not depreciate.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Gold is the safe haven for traditional investors, but I think the effect of Cryptocurrencies will grow by the time and they could steal some of the Gold capitalization. However, Bitcoin has many factors that can top it over Gold, but it needs more and big recognition to achieve that.
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December 16, 2018, 10:32:49 PM
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Gold is one of the best save havens you can have in times of financial crisis.
With FED upping their rates, the next recession is knocking.
If I was a millionaire I'd much rather put my money in gold than risk it in cryptos.

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until now i see most of people still investing in gold real estate and stock., they just want to expand their knowledge,then invest in crypto.
for now is a great timing to in because all coin is dump.
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December 17, 2018, 02:02:13 AM
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I don't know exactly about the other regions but from ASIA you cannot take gold away. They are crazy about gold and they are ready to invest in gold any time. I think this year investors are more interested in Gold as compared to crypto currency. Now Let's wait for the mid January to have an idea of BTC price.
we have to see because some Asians still like to infest with gold, this is because most of the Asian region is not well connected to the internet network, so people still don't really understand bitcoin, but not all Asian regions are backward, because in Japan, South Korea and many other developed countries, people prefer to invest in bitcoin rather than gold, this is because the government facilitates bitcoin users to do each of their trades, and internet connections in developed countries have also been very good.
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December 17, 2018, 05:33:19 AM
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The people will no longer invest in gold largely because as they are investing into different business including cryptocurrency, they are also investing parallel for gold and other precious metals and stones, investors will go to join other new investment technology , for then that the market is in falldown ,the investors will sit and think of another investment for the mean time that the market is low.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
In my opinion, people did not go anywhere from gold, it always remained in the place of honor among investments with money supply surplus. You can earn in cryptocurrency, but you need to store partially earned in traditional ways, including gold. No matter what anyone says, gold has always been, is and will remain gold, the benchmark of the value of everything.
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until now i see most of people still investing in gold real estate and stock., they just want to expand their knowledge,then invest in crypto.
for now is a great timing to in because all coin is dump.

commodity and stock market still be main choice for investors.investing in cryptocurrency market just to diversify their asset.so they would not suffering huge loss.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Maybe it will. it depends on people who used bitcoin, there's possible on people that having a big faith.
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December 19, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
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until now i see most of people still investing in gold real estate and stock., they just want to expand their knowledge,then invest in crypto.
for now is a great timing to in because all coin is dump.

commodity and stock market still be main choice for investors.investing in cryptocurrency market just to diversify their asset.so they would not suffering huge loss.

One should always have the mix of everything so that you can make the best of all. If one market is down still can make the money from other market as normal all market do not fall together . This will help you to keep making money on regular basis and increase your wealth .

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December 19, 2018, 05:01:40 PM
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You have the goods. You exchanged goods for gold. You have gold. When you want to receive the goods, you can exchange its gold for the goods. If nobody wants to buy your gold, you can make jewelry.
Bitcoin is not material. If no one wants to buy it, you will not make anything out of it.
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In my opinion. everyone still uses gold as an investment tool at any time. even now gold is still used for investment even though the crypto currency has circulated. and currently, crypto currencies experience very bad price fluctuations. many crypto users sell assets and switch investments to other fields just to avoid large losses. and gold is one of their choices.
That is natural, gold has been around for a long time and people trust it, they know that if they have gold then it does not matter what happens to the economy, gold will still hold value, but when an economic crisis happens and people try to buy gold only to realize there is not enough of it they will try to get cryptocurrencies, unfortunately for them bitcoin is very scarce as well and there is not enough of it when the demand skyrockets.
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Based on how people want get their profit later, many people keep hold and save bitcoin because think bitcoin more profitable than gold investment, only have few change of gold price after holding and investing more than one year.
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some people consider gold as a perfect investment where we can use jewelry and can also make other immovable assets other than houses and land
and I think all the people of the world must have gold even though their needs are different for investment and jewelry.
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Based on how people want get their profit later, many people keep hold and save bitcoin because think bitcoin more profitable than gold investment, only have few change of gold price after holding and investing more than one year.
well, based on the rapid increase, of course people can think like that. however, sometimes when bitcoin prices drop, many people want to move to real estate. Well, I feel that many people want to have a lot of gold, and of course everyone wants it.
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Based on how people want get their profit later, many people keep hold and save bitcoin because think bitcoin more profitable than gold investment, only have few change of gold price after holding and investing more than one year.
well, based on the rapid increase, of course people can think like that. however, sometimes when bitcoin prices drop, many people want to move to real estate. Well, I feel that many people want to have a lot of gold, and of course everyone wants it.
Exactly.I think no one here who don't want to have gold of their own.Eversince gold invesment has always been profitable way back in our early years but since crypto investment has appeared in the market,the people were divided already.It's very clear that there are more huge profits waiting for us in crypto than just sticking to gold and gain only minimum profits.

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It could also be that people will return to investing in gold, plunging in crypto to feel a loss because they cannot manage it, then save their assets with gold or in real estate. This is natural because it is their choice and their future after feeling a failure here. But also investors who are still here and want to own gold and land for other assets.

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December 20, 2018, 05:10:52 AM
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With this global economy in 2018, all sectors of the government, banks, private sector, experiencing economic shocks, various factors that arise, this has a huge influence on cryptocurrency at the moment, I don't know for sure people will be as successful as gold at the end this, but hopefullyonly all countries will suffer from this worst economy and crypto especially Bitcoin.
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December 20, 2018, 08:16:54 AM
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Gold investment is an alternative investment to cryptocurrency and stocks.  A lot of people venture into it to spread their risk and people will surely go back to gold hen other investment and not viable
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Because we are currently recording a slowdown in the economy. And, of course, each country is trying to increase its gold and foreign exchange reserves in order to be ready for it in the event of a crisis. Cryptocurrencies are very volatile and uncontrolled by the state. And gold is a more guaranteed reserve.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
That is definitely a possibility especially since many people around the world can feel that things are not right, they cannot describe it since they do not understand the economy but they can see their salaries not going up and that the inflation is many times higher than what governments admit so the chances that people decide to buy gold to protect their savings are high.
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December 21, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
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Actually gold is one of the stable investment because we have not seen high fluctuations in gold trading that's why people turning up to crypto because it gives them lots of profits even in bear market. Can you imagine i know one person who had made 2000 usdt profit in last few days because of price fluctuations so that's why people don't want to go to gold. One thing gold can be long term investment but in crypto it may possible that money will be double within weeks.

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I used to read that cryptocuurency is not affect by global recession. fortunately have not had the experience of recession since i started. The market of gold lately has not been different from trading a stable coin. It just help to preserve value not necessarily for making profit.
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it seems like yes, because by switching to gold it's better to be able to benefit later. because now crypto is destroyed again and it's great if investors invest both fields such as gold and crypto so that later he can get a double profit
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if in my opinion the one who goes to gold is certainly there, because by investing in gold it is also to get income in the short term. therefore to wait for the market to stabilize and green again by earning income from gold

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it seems like yes, because by switching to gold it's better to be able to benefit later. because now crypto is destroyed again and it's great if investors invest both fields such as gold and crypto so that later he can get a double profit
well, we know that gold always has a price wherever you go. well, of course, even though we all look for fiat, however, when we have a lot of money, gold will be an alternative to making investments, or savings in the future, or the next generation.

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December 22, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
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Gold is one of the best save havens you can have in times of financial crisis.
With FED upping their rates, the next recession is knocking.
If I was a millionaire I'd much rather put my money in gold than risk it in cryptos.

Oh, man, probably you remember the saying about those who do not drink champagne? These are the people, who never risk. Next time, the cryptocurrencies can bring you a great profit. But gold is also a good investment.
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it seems like yes, because by switching to gold it's better to be able to benefit later. because now crypto is destroyed again and it's great if investors invest both fields such as gold and crypto so that later he can get a double profit

Destroyed? Why can you say that Bitcoin is destroyed.

I've been reading this since the start of the dump that is happening with Bitcoin and I don't think you should say that Bitcoin is destroyed since it can't be destroyed by anyone, also if it is destroyed then I don't think we will be able to invest and sell again Bitcoin in the future. Bitcoin is just experiencing a price dump and that is normal since we are investing in a volatile cryptocurrency.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Yes, people can back to gold, one of the profitable and low risk investments unlike other stock investments which have a higher risk. The value of gold could soar in the coming years if the economy is said to be bad.

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December 22, 2018, 03:11:11 PM
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I don't see a chance for coming back into gold standard - the cost of keeping the gold is too high and the governments are not ready (it seems that they never were) to give up their power of creating money. Anyway after a long period of economy growing, the rising gold price is a natural step because with every year possibility of economic crisis is bigger.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Yes, people can back to gold, one of the profitable and low risk investments unlike other stock investments which have a higher risk. The value of gold could soar in the coming years if the economy is said to be bad.
Sorry to say mate but I am not agree with you as you said gold is low risk investment and people are now liking it so it is not true now people are thinking that gold is an old fashioned investment which does not give good return at all. It is highly risky to keep too much gold at home if not for money but surely for life.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People will of course buy more gold as they did in last 5 years. But Bitcoin is stealing Gold customers drastically. But when there will come to the total fiat collapse then gold will be way more used as it was in last century. So although Bitcoin is stealing from Gold right now it is on long term giving back way more since will educate people why gold is valuable.
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many people return to invest in gold and leave cryptocurrency because they are too disappointed with cryptocurrency they feel cheated because there are so many price manipulations in cryptocurrency.
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if in my opinion the one who goes to gold is certainly there, because by investing in gold it is also to get income in the short term. therefore to wait for the market to stabilize and green again by earning income from gold

I do not think that really many people from this Forum invest serious sums of money in gold. Most of them concentrate on the cryptocurrencies as it seems to them more attractive and profitable.
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Gold is a major asset for many investors in the world, so in my opinion it is not surprising if people will continue to come in to invest in gold. They don't seem to care too much about the falling stock market and the steady price of gold, because they have accepted the gold virus as the main asset to invest, unlike cryptocurrency where not many people are aware of investing in cryptocurrency, which actually has the opportunity to be able to benefit from investing in cryptocurrency even though the market continues to be volatile.

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if in my opinion the one who goes to gold is certainly there, because by investing in gold it is also to get income in the short term. therefore to wait for the market to stabilize and green again by earning income from gold

I do not think that really many people from this Forum invest serious sums of money in gold. Most of them concentrate on the cryptocurrencies as it seems to them more attractive and profitable.

If we are in this forum, it is not if investment moves to gold, which is certain that we will persevere to gain more profit and explore our creative forum and crypto. But those who have lost will surely choose gold for their investment. This is indeed not a strange thing but it is like this. In addition, the ability to manage crypto is also minimal.

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many people return to invest in gold and leave cryptocurrency because they are too disappointed with cryptocurrency they feel cheated because there are so many price manipulations in cryptocurrency.
it doesn't seem to be back, but makes gold a real investment. well, I'm getting interested in the price of gold now. well, you know, that gold is really a promising investment. of course people will look for it.
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Gold is a real investment that has more value and is very popular with people. We are not surprised that many people return to gold because gold has an easy-to-reach and physically attractive value.
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honestly I don't really like investing in gold, I prefer investing in land rather than gold because in my opinion the land is far more profitable than gold. the decreasing amount of vacant land makes land prices continue to increase.

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I think there has no enough gold in this world to cover all the money. People are covering their money by buying Bitcoin and by this method, they are cutting a good profit also. On the other hand, gold has not such kind of activities.

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honestly I don't really like investing in gold, I prefer investing in land rather than gold because in my opinion the land is far more profitable than gold. the decreasing amount of vacant land makes land prices continue to increase.
- Real estate is really an ideal place to grow our money because society is growing, everyone wants a piece of land, a house belonging to them, and when the demand for this issue becomes too big, the price of real estate has continuously increased in recent years. If we understand that mentality, as you say, investing in real estate will bring us more benefits but the amount of capital we need will be huge, and we also need to choose reasonable positions to invest, it is not easy. Although gold may not bring more profit, but we only need a very small amount of capital to buy and accumulate, suitable for the conditions of most people or if we have conditions, we should invest in both to optimize profits


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December 26, 2018, 01:27:14 PM
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if in my opinion the one who goes to gold is certainly there, because by investing in gold it is also to get income in the short term. therefore to wait for the market to stabilize and green again by earning income from gold
Investing in gold is always a good choice, and its their choice to transfer from one market to another or better they will invest on both market. If you see good opportunity in one market grab it, because not all market can provide you enough profit especially if the market you’re investing is down. As long as you invest in any market you are good, just know how to be more wise and always diversify your investment.
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December 26, 2018, 01:27:19 PM
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they bought a lot of gold because they feared that fiat money would lose much value in 2019. because only gold could retain its value every year and it could increase.
But not everyone buys gold, real estate is also a safe investment. Looking ahead, the forex market will be volatile.

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December 26, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
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One should have the mixed bag of portfolio and this will help them to get the good average returns and not to be depended on one coin or just in crypto . More diversified the portfolio better it is in the long term as sometime of one is down you can make plenty from other .
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December 26, 2018, 05:27:38 PM
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In my opinion, smart people never give up gold as a means of accumulating value. This is the oldest and most reliable way to store your savings. In cryptocurrency, only part of our funds should work, however, the reserve should always be in normal currency or gold.

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December 26, 2018, 07:43:19 PM
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if in my opinion the one who goes to gold is certainly there, because by investing in gold it is also to get income in the short term. therefore to wait for the market to stabilize and green again by earning income from gold
Investing in gold is always a good choice, and its their choice to transfer from one market to another or better they will invest on both market. If you see good opportunity in one market grab it, because not all market can provide you enough profit especially if the market you’re investing is down. As long as you invest in any market you are good, just know how to be more wise and always diversify your investment.
No I do not think that people will come back to gold.People have chosen cryptocurrencies over gold as they give good amounts of profit returns and that too in a short period of time as their values are very volatile.But on the other hand gold's value is very stable so the profit rates are almost nil or very little and gold takes a lot of time to give returns.Cryptocurrencies are money making machine so one should take advantage of them definitely.
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December 26, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
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In my opinion, smart people never give up gold as a means of accumulating value. This is the oldest and most reliable way to store your savings. In cryptocurrency, only part of our funds should work, however, the reserve should always be in normal currency or gold.
Right.I really believe that gold has never fade its value even if we are into cryptocurrency right now.Yes crypto is obviously giving us more profits than gold but this is also a good investment when others are falling.For me,i am investing in crypto and at the same time,i also buy some gold because it will also be a good investment for future use.

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Gold is indeed a valuable investment, even before bitcoin emerged. So if people invest in gold again it is reasonable and also feasible for the future. Gold does have advantages unlike bitcoin but it has real physicality and good value so many people keep it.

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it seems like yes, because by switching to gold it's better to be able to benefit later. because now crypto is destroyed again and it's great if investors invest both fields such as gold and crypto so that later he can get a double profit
well, we know that gold always has a price wherever you go. well, of course, even though we all look for fiat, however, when we have a lot of money, gold will be an alternative to making investments, or savings in the future, or the next generation.
Gold has actually been one of the most important investments for the people so far and even still there is huge investment in gold for return. This is because gold is much shielded toward the inflation and even if there is recession in the world, gold will not lose value.
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December 27, 2018, 10:08:54 AM
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Everyone until now certainly has each of their interests and is more focused on reality's things or the virtual world, here we are like being able to see how both are like competing through the time that keeps going. I don't doubt the both, which's clear to the gold or crypto.. both are profitable.
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December 27, 2018, 10:44:53 AM
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I think bitcoin is better maintained because now gold is harder to find and difficult to mine, I want to choose bitcoin from gold because of that and the selling price also looms higher than gold
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December 27, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
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people will always use gold and the other great stone until the end. and there is a chance to back using gold. and maybe all be back to stone age. dont know and never know, because something life will be die.
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December 28, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
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Gold is a valuable natural resources that will continue to be in existence for a long while base on it use function, Gold will be back thou Cryptocurrnecy is now a major competitor with other forex exchange and Initial Public offering.
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December 28, 2018, 11:34:10 PM
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I think bitcoin is better maintained because now gold is harder to find and difficult to mine, I want to choose bitcoin from gold because of that and the selling price also looms higher than gold
Yes, the cryptocurrency can be more expensive but of course it is still depend on you because for me, both market are profitable and if you want to have more income then you will invest on more assets. You don’t need to mine gold personally, same concept with cryptos that you just need to invest in the market but not literally to mined it.

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Everyone until now certainly has each of their interests and is more focused on reality's things or the virtual world, here we are like being able to see how both are like competing through the time that keeps going. I don't doubt the both, which's clear to the gold or crypto.. both are profitable.

Gold will never be replaced by other types because gold has a special attraction for everyone in the world. Gold is more convincing for people because they can be held by the person they keep.
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December 29, 2018, 02:48:36 AM
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Still, gold is always a good investment even though bitcoin price is increasing. We should remember one thing investing all your money into crypto is not advisable we need to divert our money into different other things in order to be in safe hands.

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December 29, 2018, 06:34:23 AM
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The investor on crypto currency and gold are not same and equal. They are different investors. People who want to take high risk and high profit, they invest in crypto. For the safe invest, gold and such assets are much better, I think.
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Gold is a good investment for people who really like to collect gold, and this investment can be enjoyed and seen in real wealth, and it is only natural that people still rely on gold as the safest investment for them.

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they bought a lot of gold because they feared that fiat money would lose much value in 2019. because only gold could retain its value every year and it could increase.
But not everyone buys gold, real estate is also a safe investment. Looking ahead, the forex market will be volatile.

People will not return to Gold. Gold is a passive investment and there is no trend of investing in gold in the current times. People will either invest in forex, stocks or crypto. These are only three options where one can invest and get good gains in short term.

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December 29, 2018, 07:16:20 AM
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they bought a lot of gold because they feared that fiat money would lose much value in 2019. because only gold could retain its value every year and it could increase.
But not everyone buys gold, real estate is also a safe investment. Looking ahead, the forex market will be volatile.

People will not return to Gold. Gold is a passive investment and there is no trend of investing in gold in the current times. People will either invest in forex, stocks or crypto. These are only three options where one can invest and get good gains in short term.
Nope gold can't be replaced even if majority are trading in crypto or stock.gold is always seen as valuable asset inspire of and other costly asset as it can used for other thing as well.stock,forex or crypto are for trader who want profit in short span and people who know how to trade them but gold can be holded by anybody and it has widely accepted market and acceptance.both gold and virtual assets can go side by side but gold can't be replaced.
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there are also fluctuations in the gold market.  i get confused on why investments are expected to always win.  that is too idealistic.  we have to accept the reality of such things. 
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there are also fluctuations in the gold market.  i get confused on why investments are expected to always win.  that is too idealistic.  we have to accept the reality of such things.  

Well, most of the new investors are not quite calm or patient with their investments especially the ones on crypto currencies. All they want is to always grab a profit and they don't make ways to make that happen. They should be patient and always remember that every movement has its own advantages that they should always take, investors are opportunists.

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December 29, 2018, 12:48:34 PM
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there are still many who still believe in cryptocurrency and there are who still believe in gold, I think people who really believe in crypto., won't easily move away and eventually leaving crypto forever.

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there are still many who still believe in cryptocurrency and there are who still believe in gold, I think people who really believe in crypto., won't easily move away and eventually leaving crypto forever.
But the alternative is when there is no more cryptocurrency investors will switch to investing in gold. Although the value and benefits obtained are different, gold is the most popular metal investment with low risk.
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It depends on every individuals if they'll go to gold and leave bitcoin.  For  me leaving bitcoin is big sick like losing a big amount of money.  People won't go back to gold as it is hard to get unlike bitcoin.  Everyone of us get touched on bitcoin and it's hard to leave now.
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Bitcoin and gold are actually much different. in terms of investment and liquidity. gold is actually better but the increase is not as fast as bitcoin. Likewise, bitcoin is an investment with a big risk with a huge profit

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December 29, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
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now the digital age and everything becomes easier for payment and withdrawal transactions, gold in the current era as jewelry, gold investment still exists with its own community but not much.
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December 29, 2018, 05:24:20 PM
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It depends on every individuals if they'll go to gold and leave bitcoin.  For  me leaving bitcoin is big sick like losing a big amount of money.  People won't go back to gold as it is hard to get unlike bitcoin.  Everyone of us get touched on bitcoin and it's hard to leave now.

Lot of people still trust the investment on gold more than Bitcoin because gold is more attractive and more stable one and it came from a long time before that's why people still love gold investment than Bitcoin

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It depends on every individuals if they'll go to gold and leave bitcoin.  For  me leaving bitcoin is big sick like losing a big amount of money.  People won't go back to gold as it is hard to get unlike bitcoin.  Everyone of us get touched on bitcoin and it's hard to leave now.

Yes for sure it is hard to leave bitcoin because we have long history with it. Leaving it after investing can damage our profit. Gold for me is not good choice because it is an old fashioned investment which needs huge amount of to invest the profit will be too small along with huge risk as keeping so much gold at home can make you suffer someday.

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December 29, 2018, 09:01:58 PM
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It depends on every individuals if they'll go to gold and leave bitcoin.  For  me leaving bitcoin is big sick like losing a big amount of money.  People won't go back to gold as it is hard to get unlike bitcoin.  Everyone of us get touched on bitcoin and it's hard to leave now.

Yes for sure it is hard to leave bitcoin because we have long history with it. Leaving it after investing can damage our profit. Gold for me is not good choice because it is an old fashioned investment which needs huge amount of to invest the profit will be too small along with huge risk as keeping so much gold at home can make you suffer someday.

Everything is just a business. The market is filled with investors. Everyone keeps analyzing the markets and keeps shifting their funds based on the revenue they get out of it. Hence let it be gold, bitcoin, land or etc, its just an object for an investors. As long as bitcoin and crypto currencies support investors gain profits, its going to be the next object to be looked upon. It can be either gold or anything else.

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December 30, 2018, 08:20:39 AM
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The value added of gold in the future is certain, but its appreciation will not surprise people. Gold will only rise wildly when the war breaks out. In the war, mankind is very far away. The Third World War is the end of human civilization. No politician will let this happen.

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December 30, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
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Bitcoin and gold are actually much different. in terms of investment and liquidity. gold is actually better but the increase is not as fast as bitcoin. Likewise, bitcoin is an investment with a big risk with a huge profit
when people return to gold, and invest in gold, I think that happens when they see gold has enormous potential. besides, gold also has a very stable price, and tends to rise. this made many investors more interested, and returned to gold.

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December 30, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
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The value added of gold in the future is certain, but its appreciation will not surprise people. Gold will only rise wildly when the war breaks out. In the war, mankind is very far away. The Third World War is the end of human civilization. No politician will let this happen.
The gold investment is always there ,maybe majority of people will still buy gold up this now in the form of jewelry, gold is eternal investment it last for a very long period of time ,  people will still buy gold even if they have other investments , so with this reason of falldown in the market, I do not think that crypto investors will not go back to gold and leave behind cryptos.

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December 30, 2018, 09:35:32 AM
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now the digital age and everything becomes easier for payment and withdrawal transactions, gold in the current era as jewelry, gold investment still exists with its own community but not much.
well, even though nowadays is the digital era, however, it cannot be separated from real investment. sometimes people may have a substantial income on the internet, or digital, however, gold is still one of the best investments, and it has been around for a long time.
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gold is something that will always retain value, something you can't print and something with immediate use ... so it will be a good value to hold at any time...
Don't think it will be possible to come back to gold, even with all the tricks on the fiat world... they have printed way too much bills ...
The future is crypto... but gold will never loose it's value... not sure how this will turn to be in the future... curious Grin

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For me personally, gold is not of special value, because for most people in our world this resource is completely inaccessible. Only states or certain very rich personalities can increase the volume of the precious metal. Therefore, it is useless to talk about the value of gold and the transition to gold-currency exchange. None of the world currencies has a value in gold and does not provide the currency of their states in gold equivalent. But digital gold is a really good alternative for use in economics.
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Maybe yes or not, how ever when bitcoin price still stay at lower price will be possible make all people want back make investment at gold, what for make investment at bitcoin with lower and drop price.
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December 30, 2018, 03:32:55 PM
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maybe that will happen, but if people will turn to gold, not everyone, maybe only the biggest shareholders will return to gold because they have to grow their business. Small people like us maybe stay on crypto, but will be bothered by the move of big investors to gold.

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December 31, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
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gold remains a valuable asset and will not be replaced. because this tradition has survived for thousands of years and gold is a relatively stable asset.
crypto is different from gold, and I'm sure crypto is still in demand and will become a commodity to be invested in the future.
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My answer will be a little bit different but I think logical. Gold is for stable investors but not forget word investor. As you know people don't want all their money to be put in bank, some also want it at home but that's a little bit riskier. Gold is very small but valuable, you can wear gold necklace or something else safely, in a hurry you can sell it and get $$$ in your pocket. But wait, you can hold as much bitcoin as you want in very small flash drive, save that in very hard to find area or backup wallets for safety and keep funds somewhere you wish on digital device. Now we have stablecoins too so no, gold's time is gone at some point but people know gold more than crypto.

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January 01, 2019, 01:00:45 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
All of us deserve to be a wealth, i know and i believe that people will comeback in bitcoin because bitcoin is well recover.
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January 02, 2019, 03:18:32 AM
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All countries back up their wealth with gold, even fiat sometimes makes them doubt because to maintain the value of fiat statesmen who have good political control are needed. Gold is widely used for electronic devices as the most stable transmission to deliver power. This is a digital and robotic era, so it's natural that some countries and companies need a lot of gold. I am sure that if gold has begun to be difficult to obtain, crypto can be used as an alternative to managing the assets of each country and gold is specialized in making electronic products.
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Gold always become safe haven investment. The growth always stable and more resistant againts inflation. I am believe if our economic using gold standart, our country economic getting stronger and can survive from economic crisis

While gold is considered to be a safe heaven, I don't feel it's return can sustain ones expenses these days. I feel gold has lost it's shine, as the demand for it also has fallen all across the globe. I feel people now are ready to take more risks, for higher returns and are looking for risky ventures to earn and sustain for itself. Hence I feel people will opt for cryptos over gold, as they'll get more returns with cryptos.
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People never looked out to gold. Gold is an investment which has a higher possibility that will increase in a long term basis. Gold is part of the peoples life including social status , gifts etc. This is the best investment so far, it was like happened that crypto are better than gold. They acquire both, not dropping one for another.

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January 02, 2019, 10:05:59 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
All of us deserve to be a wealth, i know and i believe that people will comeback in bitcoin because bitcoin is well recover.
For me your post is good because it is true that soon people will realize that crypto currency is better than gold because is now an old fashioned investments which gives small profit but huge money to buy. It is hard to handle it because of safety issues while bitcoin is a safest investment because of blockchain. It will good to keep for long time without any kind of lose ever.
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January 03, 2019, 01:50:11 AM
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Gold is indeed an appropriate investment and has good value in the eyes of the general public, and bitcoin is a good investment in the eyes of crypto lovers. So gold is indeed a valuable asset for the general public and many will save it.
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January 03, 2019, 04:59:45 AM
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  I don't think so, well, since gold is over stock for commercial and for reserves, I don't think the price be higher as what they want but this is the decision of individual what is good while bitcoin since price will be in the bottom right now, I have a big possibilities that the price will be back in normal price soon .
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January 03, 2019, 07:23:15 AM
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Everyone has their own opinions about gold and bitcoin. Even if there are many who lose and lose then run on gold investment, this is indeed worthy of being a personal asset that can provide a real function. Bitcoin remains valuable and remains in its function and position.
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Based on how profitable giving both bitcoin and gold, if bitcoin could be profitable than gold many investor will keep investing at bitcoin, but when bitcoin price have lower maybe gold investment is the best way.

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Investing gold is good. It can help you in many ways. If you are in a financial crisis you can go to pawnshop. But if not you can keep it that someday you can use it when the value of gold is high.
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Honestly I don't know why are people so much in love with gold. Most people believe the value of gold is something steady and firm but just imagine some new and crazy excavations (let's say in huge Russia), large quantities of shiny mineral will reduce it's value x2 maybe x3. Btc to some point centralized but still limited quantity.
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Honestly I don't know why are people so much in love with gold. Most people believe the value of gold is something steady and firm but just imagine some new and crazy excavations (let's say in huge Russia), large quantities of shiny mineral will reduce it's value x2 maybe x3. Btc to some point centralized but still limited quantity.

People are most usable of good that's why gold is more popular in all over the world but Bitcoin intra sentence played an important role in their life that's why people can change their investment from gold to Bitcoin but in today situation people are most interested in investing in Gold because of the value but it changes depends upon the situation.
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Honestly I don't know why are people so much in love with gold. Most people believe the value of gold is something steady and firm but just imagine some new and crazy excavations (let's say in huge Russia), large quantities of shiny mineral will reduce it's value x2 maybe x3. Btc to some point centralized but still limited quantity.

People are most usable of good that's why gold is more popular in all over the world but Bitcoin intra sentence played an important role in their life that's why people can change their investment from gold to Bitcoin but in today situation people are most interested in investing in Gold because of the value but it changes depends upon the situation.
Some people are never know that bitcoin price in future will very beneficial and profitable so that's why they depend on gold and they invest their money in gold but gold price in increasing very slow than bitcoin so it will never big deal for them so that's why people should aware from bitcoin and its value because bitcoin is the actual way to investment not gold.
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January 04, 2019, 09:53:27 AM
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Market conditions like this are a lot of traders who enter when the end of 2017 and buy bitcoin at expensive prices prefer to close the account and switch to other platforms not only gold but there are also property investments and some other shares because for them consider cryptocurrency is can't provide benefits anymore.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Maybe because gold is a good investment among the general public, and some of the economic problems that have occurred lately, gold has more interest in people. I myself think gold is indeed a good investment when viewed from risk, perspective and value, so gold is indeed above average.

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Will be possible many people back to gold investment, when always got bad moment and lost money with bitcoin investment, they will try back to gold investment and hope get profit there.
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Will be possible many people back to gold investment, when always got bad moment and lost money with bitcoin investment, they will try back to gold investment and hope get profit there.

the situation sometimes can change nowadays. moreover the state of bitcoin is being so declining, so it makes a lot of people sad, and sometimes they look for other ways to make a profit. moreover they are also afraid of the risk of bitcoin which is increasingly declining.

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January 04, 2019, 02:40:10 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
I think buying gold is absolutely right. Because it is really a great asset to invest now. Gold is one thing to keep the value of the money you have in hand. With current inflation and it may rise in the future, buying gold and real estate will be a smart decision.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Maybe because gold is a good investment among the general public, and some of the economic problems that have occurred lately, gold has more interest in people. I myself think gold is indeed a good investment when viewed from risk, perspective and value, so gold is indeed above average.
About gold it is very famous that it never die so fast but it has more stress to carry and to hold for long term you always will be worry about the safety band you will have to wait so long. About bitcoin investments that’s famous it increases fast and has very safe and promising investment to increase high even within months.
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January 05, 2019, 03:58:20 AM
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Will be possible many people back to gold investment, when always got bad moment and lost money with bitcoin investment, they will try back to gold investment and hope get profit there.

the situation sometimes can change nowadays. moreover the state of bitcoin is being so declining, so it makes a lot of people sad, and sometimes they look for other ways to make a profit. moreover they are also afraid of the risk of bitcoin which is increasingly declining.
for those who are afraid of cryptocurrency, gold is an alternative investment. I think as an investor already have a view on investing. and I think the moment is one of the causes
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January 05, 2019, 04:33:55 AM
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.
There are only few investors of gold but they are big investors.
Gold been here until now but bitcoin is an invention and this technology is useful for humanity, gold is not.
Soon, gold will become obsolete because people will trust their money in the internet where they can access anytime.

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since ancient times until now gold and silver have always been attractive and remain used as an investment tool until now. because of its beauty and value, which continues to increase, people like to invest in gold. although the increase every year is only 5%. but the value of gold has never dropped. so investing in gold is very safe.

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All possible can happen because gold is a manifestation of real money, gold has value and form. I think everyone must be able to distinguish between money and currency to avoid misunderstandings.
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Well those who were investing in Gold will probably did not left to it especially if they made some gains on it. I think it would.not be appropriate say that people will go back to gold when in fact they probably did not left on investing gold. Thet may venture into another form of investment and they still have their investment.
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the government will always continue to work to increase their assets without us knowing it because only that is the source of the guarantor of the currency which will become the basic foundation for all the possibilities of fiat they have. Likewise, the circulation of gold in the wider community, but the era of gold will only remain as an asset investment and we will not return to the era of barter with various modern aspects that can no longer be changed back to the past.

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January 05, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.

indeed many people have invested in gold but sometimes they also don't want to invest in bitcoin. because sometimes they have benefited, and they don't want to move. so sometimes gold is also very valuable to us and sometimes not.

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January 05, 2019, 11:26:48 PM
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since ancient times until now gold and silver have always been attractive and remain used as an investment tool until now. because of its beauty and value, which continues to increase, people like to invest in gold. although the increase every year is only 5%. but the value of gold has never dropped. so investing in gold is very safe.
Gold and silver is quite a good investment if we plan to hold it for 10 years, imagine how much it cost then but it is not a good investment if you want to gain some profit in less than a year. I would say, bitcoin is still the best profitable token in terms of investment.
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January 05, 2019, 11:35:56 PM
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since ancient times until now gold and silver have always been attractive and remain used as an investment tool until now. because of its beauty and value, which continues to increase, people like to invest in gold. although the increase every year is only 5%. but the value of gold has never dropped. so investing in gold is very safe.
Gold and silver is quite a good investment if we plan to hold it for 10 years, imagine how much it cost then but it is not a good investment if you want to gain some profit in less than a year. I would say, bitcoin is still the best profitable token in terms of investment.
It not gold investment era rather it is the era of digital currency and everyone want to some extra profit in small time so that is why digital money can give them a lot of profit in very small period but gold will give them their profit in a lot of years and if we keep the gold in home so it will very harmful because thieves can easily stole it so digital currency is more secure than gold and more profitable in short time.
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but it is not a good investment if you want to gain some profit in less than a year.

Depends on the year I think, 2019 will be a good year probably as its finished and outlasted a downtrend thats been in play since 2011.    Also we have dollar at a high but putting in a lower high then it recorded previously in Jan 2017 I think

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As a member of the bitcointalk.org forum, I often hear gold, gold, and gold, because gold is considered a real object, which people can use as a protector of value. Now, let's get rid of all the digital concepts that exist in crypto, bitcoin especially. Suppose that bitcoin is something real, like gold. Then you imagine, that you are now holding a piece of gold in your hand. Now you try to think, who created gold? And, does gold have a definite number? I don't think anyone can prove who and where the creator is, because so far no one has ever created gold. Because to get/have gold, of course we have to mine it first or buy it from the nearest gold shop. In this case, an investor should be aware that the price of gold is basically easier to manipulate, because their transactions are not transparent.

So in my opinion, only smart investors will spend their funds on cryptocurrency, because crypto is more transparent than gold especially its fluctuations.

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January 06, 2019, 05:50:27 AM
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Will be possible many people back to gold investment, when always got bad moment and lost money with bitcoin investment, they will try back to gold investment and hope get profit there.

the situation sometimes can change nowadays. moreover the state of bitcoin is being so declining, so it makes a lot of people sad, and sometimes they look for other ways to make a profit. moreover they are also afraid of the risk of bitcoin which is increasingly declining.
for those who are afraid of cryptocurrency, gold is an alternative investment. I think as an investor already have a view on investing. and I think the moment is one of the causes
This is not correct mate if market is moving slow then it does not mean that one should get discourage and start to think negative because gold is not good as compare to the bitcoin because we know that good grows very slow along with the risk but bitcoin grows faster and with safety because of all those wallets.
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January 06, 2019, 05:59:12 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
It depends. Gold is not like cryptocurrency, cause it doesn’t have high risk. Gold is just like investing in your money in lands, if you buy land today, after some years the price will increase. That’s how Gold works too, if you invest in it today, in some years coming the price will also increase. It is less volatile than Bitcoin and there isn’t huge risk. But for Bitcoin, it is highly volatile and that makes it a lot riskier.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People would take a rest about investment of Bitcoin because they felt not to received a good return. But about for buying of gold is normal for them because gold is not volatility. People are still waiting for a good price as of the moment but it doesn't mean people are split to use to others like gold
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January 06, 2019, 04:55:07 PM
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I am sure that gold is the safest and most important investment choice for everyone, they will never leave gold because only gold is the standard and will continue to be accepted throughout the world even in a recession.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People would take a rest about investment of Bitcoin because they felt not to received a good return. But about for buying of gold is normal for them because gold is not volatility. People are still waiting for a good price as of the moment but it doesn't mean people are split to use to others like gold
Apart from all this i am not in favour to buy gold because i have never seen any of gold invest to be happy. This is best to think wise and invest in those which grows. Gold is now an old fashioned investment according to me only those who are living in  nineties will invest in gold but those who knows how to move with time will buy only bitcoin.
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January 06, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

People would take a rest about investment of Bitcoin because they felt not to received a good return. But about for buying of gold is normal for them because gold is not volatility. People are still waiting for a good price as of the moment but it doesn't mean people are split to use to others like gold
Apart from all this i am not in favour to buy gold because i have never seen any of gold invest to be happy. This is best to think wise and invest in those which grows. Gold is now an old fashioned investment according to me only those who are living in  nineties will invest in gold but those who knows how to move with time will buy only bitcoin.

Price of gold doubled since 10 or more years ago, I need to check dates to be sure exactly. Price of gold have a steady grow, but have in mind that banks and big gold corporations manipulate with supply and demand. What they do is some other topic, but lets try to look at average person, how many of them have anything with gold expect few rings, necklaces or something like that, who from us here have some investments in gold? I don`t have anything gold, I don`t even like it. Crypto is much easier to buy, store and trade with, except that crypto is growing industry and gold has a steady price grow. I believe gold lovers will move to crypto, far from that that gold will be forgotten, its a nice way to keep your fortune, but don`t count on big profit in short term.

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January 06, 2019, 10:30:30 PM
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Gold was always strong and that is going to continue probably for a very long time since the economy of it is so big and so much money are invested every year. I don't understand what you mean by asking is people will come back to gold, because I don't think they ever forgot about gold and leave it behind. It doesn't matter what kind of new investment will appear, gold is always going to be in the top because it's something existing since the term of economy was created and its also something tangible unlike different assets or cryptocurrencies.
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I am sure that gold is the safest and most important investment choice for everyone, they will never leave gold because only gold is the standard and will continue to be accepted throughout the world even in a recession.

It is one of the safest investment as told by the investors.

Gold is always every where in the globe and that is the reason it really is one of the best investment or asset you can have. Wherever you go, gold has its value sticked to it, countries may have different values to gold but you get the point. Investors will not be coming back to gold because in the first place, they never leave gold.
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Investors will not be coming back to gold because in the first place, they never leave gold.

The world has left gold.   If you want a certain conclusion and comparison thats how certain I would state it.    In previous decades, the whole world had a currency based around the solid worth of gold.   I'm not going to argue any kind of perfection based off metal standards and I'm sure plenty of mistakes occurred anyhow.  Also consider the fractional reserve relating to gold, even USA never kept a 100% backing with gold it was always some kind of theoretical holding to meet any requirement to pay gold while almost always trading just paper notes

The point now and the stark contrast to all modern money is it has no relation to gold.      Its very different now from before, many might excuse this due to technology or all sorts of reasons.   Gold got old, whatever line

However its nonsense, whats just true now is we have debt and we dont have assets to cover the debt.   We hope to pay bills but its stretched scenario and the multiple deficits maintained over decades with no attempt to resolve or readdress that balance would seem to indicate a forced rebalance will occur.

I dont care about politics, I dont care whose responsible, doesn't really matter as we all are part of the scenario as humans.   The only real thing to take away, is this situation real and how is it likely to develop.
     Will people come back to gold, almost certainly the % people use gold in 2030 over 2019 is going to significantly higher.   I hope thats clear enough, obviously people should think and read on related info for themselves but its a definite trend imo

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Investors will not be coming back to gold because in the first place, they never leave gold.

The world has left gold.   If you want a certain conclusion and comparison thats how certain I would state it.

What?! That's not what the chart says. Between 1999 and 2011, the price exploded 660%. Since then, we've only seen a shallow retracement, implying a bullish consolidation. That illustrates a lot of demand!

Despite the emergence of fiat banking, gold continues to play an important role in finance today. Central banks have been heavily accumulating gold over the last decade as a matter of hedging and diversification. From a few months ago:

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As the global financial system seized up in 2008 and early 2009, global central banks caught the gold buying bug again. It's a trend that looks likely to continue.

Starting in 2008 central banks have continuously added gold to their reserves. At first, the net acquisitions additions were relatively small. In 2008 and 2009, such institutions added 580,000 and 210,000 ounces of the metal respectively, again according to CPM data. Since then the buying binge has accelerated, with around 11 million ounces getting purchased in 2017, with likely a similar amount forecast for this year.

"Today central banks are buying gold to diversify their monetary reserves," says CPM's Christian. "Most central banks want to diversify away from the dollar."

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

I think, gold has always been and will always be the best option when it comes to investing, it will never be out of the market and it will never run out of value. I cannot blame why people are getting back on gold rather than going on cryptocurrency and other modes of investments, now when it comes to usd, I cannot tell whether the demand for usd will be affected as much, but if this dark year will come near, definitely everyone will be affected, it doesn't matter what world classification your in.

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January 07, 2019, 04:28:37 AM
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I am sure that gold is the safest and most important investment choice for everyone, they will never leave gold because only gold is the standard and will continue to be accepted throughout the world even in a recession.

It is one of the safest investment as told by the investors.

Gold is always every where in the globe and that is the reason it really is one of the best investment or asset you can have. Wherever you go, gold has its value sticked to it, countries may have different values to gold but you get the point. Investors will not be coming back to gold because in the first place, they never leave gold.
Gold is one of the safe zone for investors and storage of value but it involves lot of politics in it.In many countries the people were trusting the golds too much and  others were considering gold ornaments are much important to show their prestige,but it all was just created for the purpose of increasing demand of gold.Maybe who knows if people stop buying gold it also can lose its value.

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January 07, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
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in my opinion they did not return to gold, because they also did not really leave gold. people will continue to look for a place or business area, if gold is profitable, they will also invest in gold, as well as crypto. now crypto conditions are bad, so many people are returning to gold to seek other benefits.

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I think gold will always hold a certain appeal to a certain demographic.
There are also plenty of people who have not forgotten Gold and as
or when the bext financial crash comes, Gold will be in demand.

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I know what you mean I think but the point is gold would be the ultimate settlement for all value traded between countries.   It cant just be the people who like shiny things, it'll hold a tenth of its proper value if thats just it.



What?! That's not what the chart says. Between 1999 and 2011, the price exploded 660%. Since then, we've only seen a shallow retracement, implying a bullish consolidation. That illustrates a lot of demand!

Despite the emergence of fiat banking, gold continues to play an important role in finance today. Central banks have been heavily accumulating gold over the last decade as a matter of hedging and diversification. From a few months ago:


Central banks have been net buyers of gold over the last decade.   Yea I acknowledge that but also we should consider how much new paper money has been created also and thats the point about how much is gold used.    Its not circulated as value or used in trade especially, the backing to most money is still government debt which is seen as safest and most profitable as it has a yield.   Gold has no yield.
Russia has at times made itself poorer to continue building up gold reserves, while selling dollar yet dollar remains an appreciating asset often.   China buys up loss making gold mines to continue production at below the market price, they are aware of wanting to avoid spiking the price at all by any outright excessive open buying.

Overall we cant argue central banks favour gold as the majority of the worlds richest countries still are with the dollar system, what % gold hedge they hold is worth examining but its mostly the poorer developing countries which have increased gold reserves.  China had none previously from what I've read, the richer countries have largely been seen to increase debt and so far as I know its massively out of proportion with gold reserves

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January 07, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
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Central banks have been net buyers of gold over the last decade.   Yea I acknowledge that but also we should consider how much new paper money has been created also and thats the point about how much is gold used.    Its not circulated as value or used in trade especially, the backing to most money is still government debt which is seen as safest and most profitable as it has a yield.   Gold has no yield.
Russia has at times made itself poorer to continue building up gold reserves, while selling dollar yet dollar remains an appreciating asset often.   China buys up loss making gold mines to continue production at below the market price, they are aware of wanting to avoid spiking the price at all by any outright excessive open buying.

For sure, selling dollars for gold or amassing gold via unprofitable mines may be detrimental in the short term. It may even be detrimental in the long term. After all, markets are unpredictable and hedging is just a matter of probability. Hedging often means paying a premium just in case an adverse event occurs.

There are no historical precedents for a reserve currency collapse of this magnitude, if the USD were to collapse at this point. So gold is a very obvious hedge due to its importance prior to the emergence fiat money. If the fiat system begins breaking down, I believe many states will immediately regress to gold-based money.

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I think people have never left gold. Those who prefered to invest in gold kept that habit. Besides I don't think at all that Bitcoin is replacement for gold and I don't like these two assets to be compared because I think they are quite different. I also think that Bitcoin investors and gold investors are quite different.
Investing in gold has a long history and not only by individuals but by the governments and banks too and I don't think this will change no matter the Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

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January 07, 2019, 10:46:44 PM
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Gold is an historical value based asset that has got a physical shape. With bitcoin this isn't possible, also with gold common people find it an asset that can be used into all sort of needs due to its local availability. The same isn't possible with bitcoin as it need knowledge to make use of it. With this people who have learned about bitcoin won't think of investing into gold anymore.

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 #267

. Hedging often means paying a premium just in case an adverse event occurs.

There are no historical precedents for a reserve currency collapse of this magnitude, if the USD were to collapse at this point. So gold is a very obvious hedge due to its importance prior to the emergence fiat money. If the fiat system begins breaking down, I believe many states will immediately regress to gold-based money.

I totally agree with that and explains why gold has fallen out of favour, it does nothing important exactly just stays a metal without ever degrading or changing.   People view it as expensive, unproductive and unneeded.   Warren Buffet tells a tale of how stupid humans appear to dig up metals & exspend so much effort only to place it back in the bank vault, right in the ground again.

He is right in a way but gold does have a purpose, every time I read about poltiics its obvious we need to rely on something as simple as gold to regulate value.   We cant have political debt as money like the current system is.

There is historical precedent and I will copy up the link for anyone who wants to listen.    The most recent example is the British Empire, the largest amount of land controlled by any country in history with great wealth all over the world and relevant as it was backed by a gold standard first formulated by Issac Newton.     UK left the gold standard and also lost the empire lands, the currency is well under 1% of its previous value

Heres the ancient example of similar magnitude, Roman empire and failed currency - https://mises.org/library/inflation-and-fall-roman-empire


I'm not pro gold but its necessary, we can skip insurance on a house for similar reason to save money but in the end its needed.   If I thought gold was optional, wasnt inevitable at this time I'd have forgotten it on its last decline but its not that sticker price that matters, as gold determines dollar value not vice versa and so on.   Its a head scratcher Tongue

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January 08, 2019, 08:32:22 AM
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.

Oh, no, here you are wrong. For most guys that want to make money (big money, sure), gold is in the first place. For them, it is easier to buy precious metal than to work with the cryptocurrencies.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

You know 2018 was a mysterious year. Even if we faced so many problems such as the ones you have mentioned (Brexit, Itan, etc.) we still underwent a great year with a great growth rate for the global economy. I think that the reason that institutions have started to turn into buying gold in more quantities is the imminent economic downfall that I predict it will happen in 2019.
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Well, gold is always and will always be the, well, gold standard in backing up currency. Though I'm pretty sure that gold was once of little or no value besides accessories.

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yes they will return because gold is an asset for investment that fluctuates with fiat currency and its value is stable.
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January 08, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.

Oh, no, here you are wrong. For most guys that want to make money (big money, sure), gold is in the first place. For them, it is easier to buy precious metal than to work with the cryptocurrencies.
Gold will always have its value and no one will leave it as a good place for investing your money, a good backup in case economy issue happen, crypto might be another alternatives and those who understand financial investment will keep gold while playing with crypto, diversion and spliting assets but gold will never be forgotten as a priority.
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yes they will return because gold is an asset for investment that fluctuates with fiat currency and its value is stable.

I think as an additional source of investment people will buy gold and not as a replacement of crypto cueeency . As it should be in different categories gold and crypto both are good investment options and continue to flurry in coming time as well.

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January 08, 2019, 04:51:51 PM
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Will be possible many people back to gold investment, when always got bad moment and lost money with bitcoin investment, they will try back to gold investment and hope get profit there.

the situation sometimes can change nowadays. moreover the state of bitcoin is being so declining, so it makes a lot of people sad, and sometimes they look for other ways to make a profit. moreover they are also afraid of the risk of bitcoin which is increasingly declining.
for those who are afraid of cryptocurrency, gold is an alternative investment. I think as an investor already have a view on investing. and I think the moment is one of the causes
Choosing both will be the best strategy since I am sure that gold will also begin to grow very fast during the next decades, the only problem with holding gold is that the growth could take a long time to manifest itself while in bitcoin a new asset that can be traded more easily than gold the bull markets appear more quickly and with greater intensity.
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if the investment is to be made to gold, silver, and so on, more amounts of money must be invested than cryptocurrencies because these mines do not earn as fast and as much as crypto money. Besides, mines offer a more risk-free investment, so large corporations and investors who don't like the risk tend to the mines. in short, it is not a weird situation for people to tend to mines.



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if the investment is to be made to gold, silver, and so on, more amounts of money must be invested than cryptocurrencies because these mines do not earn as fast and as much as crypto money. Besides, mines offer a more risk-free investment, so large corporations and investors who don't like the risk tend to the mines. in short, it is not a weird situation for people to tend to mines.





People are still using gold more than Bitcoin because gold is more stable than Bitcoin it will be the main reason for people don't get more attractive with Bitcoin and gold is more fortunate with the people that's why I think a gold is better than Bitcoin
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I'm not a gold investor since I started investing to Crypto but I believed that they just want to get a secure investments by buying some gold. And still gonna invest their left money to Crypto this year of 2019 because as we can see the market is still on the move of making the alue of any currency I that's why it is really hard to know if their investments in those two will gonna grow faster.
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I'm not a gold investor since I started investing to Crypto but I believed that they just want to get a secure investments by buying some gold. And still gonna invest their left money to Crypto this year of 2019 because as we can see the market is still on the move of making the alue of any currency I that's why it is really hard to know if their investments in those two will gonna grow faster.
Talking about security,  absolutely gold have it than of bitcoin. The price of gold is continuously growing as its stay longer to us, it could be the same with bitcoin but the big problem with bitcoin is that there is a big chances of getting which couldn't be happen to gold. 

But we are in practical now,  we look for high gaining profits investment  which is presence to bitcoin and that is why people have love it.
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. Hedging often means paying a premium just in case an adverse event occurs.

There are no historical precedents for a reserve currency collapse of this magnitude, if the USD were to collapse at this point. So gold is a very obvious hedge due to its importance prior to the emergence fiat money. If the fiat system begins breaking down, I believe many states will immediately regress to gold-based money.

I totally agree with that and explains why gold has fallen out of favour, it does nothing important exactly just stays a metal without ever degrading or changing.   People view it as expensive, unproductive and unneeded.   Warren Buffet tells a tale of how stupid humans appear to dig up metals & exspend so much effort only to place it back in the bank vault, right in the ground again.

He is right in a way but gold does have a purpose, every time I read about poltiics its obvious we need to rely on something as simple as gold to regulate value.   We cant have political debt as money like the current system is.

Exactly. I think it's a mistake to make everything about an asset's utility. I've seen the argument made that the best forms of money don't have any utility at all because that makes supply unpredictable.

Fundamentally, people need money, and they're always going to choose something. It's easy to view gold production/storage (or Bitcoin mining) as unneeded or unproductive because it has very little intrinsic value or utility. Their biggest value is not intrinsic at all: it has to do with society's faith in them as money.

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if in my opinion to return to gold, yes, because crypto still doesn't have a good change right now, and this seems to be only temporary. but to get rid of crypto investment is not because crypto investment is very promising and to get big profits is easy and fast

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January 09, 2019, 04:21:52 AM
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Will be based on how bitcoin and altcoin price or situation at the future, when bitcoin still at lower price will make many investor back to gold investment and never joined bitcoin or altcoin investment again until have higher price.
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I am sure that gold is the safest and most important investment choice for everyone, they will never leave gold because only gold is the standard and will continue to be accepted throughout the world even in a recession.

It is one of the safest investment as told by the investors.

Gold is always every where in the globe and that is the reason it really is one of the best investment or asset you can have. Wherever you go, gold has its value sticked to it, countries may have different values to gold but you get the point. Investors will not be coming back to gold because in the first place, they never leave gold.
But in times of crisis gold is even more wanted by investors and the average person as well, governments know this and they are trying to manipulate the price of gold so it seems their economies are doing well when in fact they are only postponing the inevitable, because sooner or later the system they have created that is based in debt will collapse.
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Gold has become an investment that has existed since ancient times and until now there are still many people who still invest in gold and this is a good thing
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Maybe these countries you are referring to are just making sure they backed their local currency with gold to avoid any trouble in time of economic crisis. Gold is pretty stable so risk could be less unlike the high risk high return cryptocurrency that might change it's value anytime due to volatility. Good for those who has large funds as they can hoard some  for the future purposes. Gold is actually a good investment for back-up.



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January 09, 2019, 06:51:30 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
There is nothing like people coming back, lol, they are already buying gold. In my country, majority of the people here are buying lands, only a few people I have seen talk about investing their money in golds. I once invested in gold but didn’t work out the way I planned, so I switched to what everyone was doing, which is buying lands and keeping it for the future, you never know when it might get useful and the price will increase.
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January 09, 2019, 06:53:34 AM
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Recently gold price has peaked high, and the same has made the market of gold grow high. When the price of bitcoin grew people from gold moved to cryptocurrencies. Soon after that people moved back to gold as it serves as a trusted investment and as an easy accessible asset that has got usage all around and accepted worldwide. As it looks like a bullish market the inflow of fiat from gold will continue supporting the growth of cryptocurrency market.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
From ages to generations, Gold have been the most trusted commodity used for trading and storage of wealth. I think if the modern means of investments are becoming unreliable, Gold will once more dominate.

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January 09, 2019, 03:34:28 PM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
There is nothing like people coming back, lol, they are already buying gold. In my country, majority of the people here are buying lands, only a few people I have seen talk about investing their money in golds. I once invested in gold but didn’t work out the way I planned, so I switched to what everyone was doing, which is buying lands and keeping it for the future, you never know when it might get useful and the price will increase.

That's a mistake a lot of people do. When you save your money in gold you do it for a 15-20 years period, not to sell it 5 years later. (Notice I didn't say "when people invest in gold...")
I also didn't say people stopped to inject funds in gold, but it's a lot less popular. Buying lands is also good of course but it doesn't mean you can't lose money (the value can decrease too=

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January 09, 2019, 04:24:49 PM
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in my opinion gold from the past until now is still an investment tool that has never been lost and destroyed and is likely to return to gold it could happen and gold has become an investment asset of the economy
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.

Oh, no, here you are wrong. For most guys that want to make money (big money, sure), gold is in the first place. For them, it is easier to buy precious metal than to work with the cryptocurrencies.
Here i am not agree with you mate people are now modern and they are not using gold even as jewelry  so as an investment only foolish will use. As much as you said people love previous things so I must say that the previous you use the danger you will gave to your money as anyone can steel your gold so better invest in crypto currency it has digital, unbearable security.
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Anyone read it? Smiley


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Seems like an arcane reference but the idea of a comet of gold I've heard mentioned a few times.    Earth is mostly protected from comets by our much larger planetary neighbours,  that likely also means we miss out on any incoming amounts of gold.   Until mining on jupiter is a thing we are probably outside this resource flow

Also my really big take on this would be that the core of the earth has giant amounts of gold in it already, we just dont have an easy way to access that.   We see this potential realised via volcanoes and magma flows over really long time scales.   No doubt this is large part of the explanation for the quite diverse geographical distribution to gold, part of what makes it suitable as monetary asset over other precious metals which are more densely located.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
From ages to generations, Gold have been the most trusted commodity used for trading and storage of wealth. I think if the modern means of investments are becoming unreliable, Gold will once more dominate.
We cant deny it how gold stabilize  it's price and even show dominance in the market as well. But it turns into different now,  people will just look for better gains and quick money returns which could possibly be made with crypto investment.
Crypto have continue to soar high and many people will adopt the market rather than of keeping their money on investing gold.



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Here i am not agree with you mate people are now modern and they are not using gold even as jewelry  so as an investment only foolish will use. As much as you said people love previous things so I must say that the previous you use the danger you will gave to your money as anyone can steel your gold so better invest in crypto currency it has digital, unbearable security.

So you are saying dont invest in gold as not many people use it (apart from countries, central banks, personal investors, jewellery, dental and industrial purposes) then you say to invest in crypto?

That doesnt add up as crypto adoption compared to gold is a fraction of a %
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I hope they will come back to gold because i am doing the same thing because the profits i am making with cryptocurrency will help me to buy more gold. In this way, our investment will be in safe hands instead of just keeping them completely in cryptocurrency.
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I hope they will come back to gold because i am doing the same thing because the profits i am making with cryptocurrency will help me to buy more gold. In this way, our investment will be in safe hands instead of just keeping them completely in cryptocurrency.
Diversification is a better thing than you leave the full potential of crypto. gold is a stable commodity, suitable for maintaining the value of your money. you can save gold for your wealth and invest in crypto to grow your money. its the win win solution, isnt it ?
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gold is free and they are not bound and affected by inflation and many other activities and this makes gold able to provide good value for the future. gold as crypto they are decentralized and having them in large quantities will benefit you
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Talking about gold in our country many people love a gold. and most of the people know a gold. but a cryptocurrency does not know much about it. but for the better to choose to invest in a crypto versus to invest in a gold..the crypto is now gradually rising in price and in the coming days will rise a crypto, it will start a trading platform . easier way to earn a huge of money ..
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I will still support bitcoin as work material, until now I still support bitcoin as an investment material, hopefully this year the bitcoin price will rise and prices will stabilize

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
In my opinion, Maybe people will return to gold because with the development of the modern economy, nowadays, gold is an investment tool and anti-inflation because the inflation index is increasing and gold will be a tool to keep Get the highest value.
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People will never leave gold in the first place. Aside from you can use it as an accessory its price will still continue to grow in a more stable manner that can still be beneficial for your end you were investing your money on it.

Oh, no, here you are wrong. For most guys that want to make money (big money, sure), gold is in the first place. For them, it is easier to buy precious metal than to work with the cryptocurrencies.
Here i am not agree with you mate people are now modern and they are not using gold even as jewelry  so as an investment only foolish will use. As much as you said people love previous things so I must say that the previous you use the danger you will gave to your money as anyone can steel your gold so better invest in crypto currency it has digital, unbearable security.

You don't use gold, you store it, you don't invest money in gold you save it. Why on earth people don't understand the purpose.
If a day your country is in war let's see who was the fool to not buy gold before, yes you could be the one begging some food to others.
Very hard to steal gold, most people store gold in a vault, if you can go there and steal gold then go... I can steal your cryptos as well, in fact, it's easier to steal cryptos than gold.

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hopefully this year the bitcoin price will rise and prices will stabilize
And it's never then.

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Gold is not free what the hell.

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Trading isn't an easy way to earn money, you could lose more than you can afford if you still keep thinking like that. Just look at other trader, especially the common one. Did they get lot of money through trading?

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of course people will return to gold, they are more stable and many people still like gold. it is equally beneficial between bitcoin and gold, but gold is safer and will always be loved all the time by many people. maybe for investment, many choose to invest in gold and bitcoin at once.

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I hope they will come back to gold because i am doing the same thing because the profits i am making with cryptocurrency will help me to buy more gold. In this way, our investment will be in safe hands instead of just keeping them completely in cryptocurrency.


Gold is a traditional investment with a very small price increase, I am sure that gold investors are rich people who are used as long-term investments and they already have strong finance so they will not sell gold in the short term.


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Despite the existence of cryptocurrency, people are still into gold as an investment. As for most of the people who are holding gold, the is a lesser risk in it and that they could have it in their own hands. It is important that we'll know where to invest and no matter how many altcoins may exist we should know that gold is the most trusted invetment of all time.
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of course people will return to gold, they are more stable and many people still like gold. it is equally beneficial between bitcoin and gold, but gold is safer and will always be loved all the time by many people. maybe for investment, many choose to invest in gold and bitcoin at once.


Gold is the safest investment than others, most stable and acceptable investment for anyone, anytime and anywhere, all countries make gold a state asset so that anyone who has gold is not worried about any situation including recession and even world war.


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Please consider the reality:
The rarity of gold in the known universe is much less as the rarity of bees in our Globe already. Or?
I feel the life of bees is much important for us. Gold don't help us, if the bees can't live and work any more.
The people should come back to the REALITY... Cheesy I think.

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of course people will return to gold, they are more stable and many people still like gold. it is equally beneficial between bitcoin and gold, but gold is safer and will always be loved all the time by many people. maybe for investment, many choose to invest in gold and bitcoin at once.
since long time ago, gold has always been the item that was sought after, and very well made an investment tool. even since there is no money, I think they are doing gold and silver mining. until now, the price of gold is still very high for 1 kg.

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^^ Gold as a ratio to oil cost would give a more sensible view then just counting up a plain figure.     Gold is not free but its supply is related to costs, oil being a long term part of that

I'm certain gold is not expensive
if the investment is to be made to gold, silver, and so on, more amounts of money must be invested than cryptocurrencies because these mines do not earn as fast and as much as crypto money



The gold market is far more suitable for large investment then crypto quite often due to volatility and also the whale problem.    A rhino taking a dip in a bird bath is not going to end well, the largest entities require a big stable market which makes gold far more suitable a base for long term value retention.   The fact gold has been a quite stable price, either maintaining or rising over decades is hard to beat in comparison

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no, the economy will not be able to walk using gold alone, because gold is a resource that cannot be renewed, so it is impossible to use gold. and if indeed someone is interested in investing in gold and when gold is scarce and the price is too high, it is the same that no one will buy it. meaning that the investment will be in vain. it's better to go forward using crypto.
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gold is free and they are not bound and affected by inflation and many other activities and this makes gold able to provide good value for the future. gold as crypto they are decentralized and having them in large quantities will benefit you
Gold is not free neither is it decentralised,  if gold was truly decentralised,  we won't be having many owners  of it greedily having so many of them to themselves alone, it's not truly transparent just as cryptos and that is what makes crypto to stand out.  I know you meant it being free as in the sense that anyone who have the money can acquire it can have it but yet... It's not.
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gold is free and they are not bound and affected by inflation and many other activities and this makes gold able to provide good value for the future. gold as crypto they are decentralized and having them in large quantities will benefit you
Gold is not free neither is it decentralised,  if gold was truly decentralised,  we won't be having many owners  of it greedily having so many of them to themselves alone, it's not truly transparent just as cryptos and that is what makes crypto to stand out.  I know you meant it being free as in the sense that anyone who have the money can acquire it can have it but yet... It's not.
The concept of gold is so old and it will never profitable as like bitcoin so now we should think about new era because its a digital time and that's why bitcoin replace the gold, bitcoin is a short time investment and gold is long time investment rather if gold price increase so it will not big profit but than bitcoin will very huge profit in very short time and also security will sure so people will never lose their trust rather invest in this currency before you feel guilt.
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Looks like most people are losing trust on the power of USD since the demand for it went down.

Let me guess that 'Asia' consists of Japan, South Korea, and China. Singapore too. Other than those, you don't expect anything from them to make such adjustments. Maybe a little but not as big as the countries I mentioned.
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no, the economy will not be able to walk using gold alone, because gold is a resource that cannot be renewed, so it is impossible to use gold. and if indeed someone is interested in investing in gold and when gold is scarce and the price is too high, it is the same that no one will buy it. meaning that the investment will be in vain. it's better to go forward using crypto.
maybe very good when everyone uses cryptocurrency. but, I think people will be more interested in gold, because basically, money becomes valuable because of gold. well so I think people are more interested in having large amounts of gold. so, maybe people will return to gold

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   I don't think this is not the right time to go back for gold, gold is lots of reserved so the price is low. They cannot gets easy profit for gold .
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I hope they will come back to gold because i am doing the same thing because the profits i am making with cryptocurrency will help me to buy more gold. In this way, our investment will be in safe hands instead of just keeping them completely in cryptocurrency.


Gold is a traditional investment with a very small price increase, I am sure that gold investors are rich people who are used as long-term investments and they already have strong finance so they will not sell gold in the short term.

But you said that it has a very small price increase... How gold investors are going to be rich? By accumulating the small fractions of the price increase year by year?
Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.
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I hope they will come back to gold because i am doing the same thing because the profits i am making with cryptocurrency will help me to buy more gold. In this way, our investment will be in safe hands instead of just keeping them completely in cryptocurrency.


Gold is a traditional investment with a very small price increase, I am sure that gold investors are rich people who are used as long-term investments and they already have strong finance so they will not sell gold in the short term.

But you said that it has a very small price increase... How gold investors are going to be rich? By accumulating the small fractions of the price increase year by year?
Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.
the rich buy it because prices continue to rise and are greater than the increase in inflation every year. and I think that can also be called an investment. but many are abusing it for money laundering, because it is not registered with state assets, unlike land or property which is recorded in the state administration.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
that's just a short-term need for people because fiat money is becoming more and more valuable. Gold will be a great choice now because it is a very difficult asset to be shaken. When the world's economy is restored, they will start selling gold and continue to invest in financial markets.

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Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.

Thankyou, I really dislike people saying gold or Bitcoin even or the majority of crypto is a investment.   Its just a holding, if I go out and purchase a barrel of oil I'm not invested as what I'm actually doing is speculating on an asset price rising.

If we own a gold miner then thats an investment, capital is deployed in working operations for profit or loss and so we are invested in business.   Just holding a plain currency gives me no part in that production, the people who hold US Dollar notes are creditors to a debt at best but have no yield or return or rights for that note as its not linked to any contract worth.

Gold also, famously it has no counterparty and so that is its worth to be independent of many failings that can occur in other types of asset worth.   But we are speculators, really my bet is the dollar is overvalued and gold under used as exchangeable worth.   A rise in its holdings relative to world trade means the price rises greatly, possibly to 10,000 is feasible which is a big gain for something that never changes value.
Whats happened at 10,000 would be mostly about the fall of the dollar in usage and absolute value exchangeable for ordinary goods all the way down to bread and water


The point about only rich people is incorrect, gold is distributed around the world and is a natural resource that regularly reoccurs open to industry with low entry points.    Its very ironic I'll agree but gold is less centralised then political FIAT currency
Gold was commonly held by ordinary public when notes were backed by it, they dont have to literally carry around the gold to be utilising its attributes in wealth preservation

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Think of it this way: Old folks who aren't particularly interested in technology will continue putting their money in gold. However, only a small fraction of new generations will do the same. Over time, the overall preferences will shift, and more people will invest in digital assets, rather than physical gold. That might very well take a few decades though.

Fast forward to the year 2100: If we manage to colonize our solar system, we will at some point be able to reach asteroids and planets with far more precious metals than we have on earth. With supply increasing, prices will fall. Bitcoin on the other hand, in 2100, will still be limited to <21 million

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I couldn't agree more with you. If only the members could understand that. Gold isn't an investment, I don't know any sane investor injecting money in the gold market to get gains. It's funny when you read the full topic, you can see who know nothing, not even a place to buy some...
In the first post I mentioned the central banks increasing their gold stock, why are they doing this? Not to invest and get a 5% within 12 months

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I couldn't agree more with you. If only the members could understand that. Gold isn't an investment, I don't know any sane investor injecting money in the gold market to get gains. It's funny when you read the full topic, you can see who know nothing, not even a place to buy some...
In the first post I mentioned the central banks increasing their gold stock, why are they doing this? Not to invest and get a 5% within 12 months

Well my investement in gold paid off my current house after the post Brexit vote price spike.

Currently holding 403oz gold + just under 2000oz of silver.

Fully expect the gold to make me a millionaire when the next financial crisis kicks off in the not too distant future.

Fast forward to the year 2100: If we manage to colonize our solar system, we will at some point be able to reach asteroids and planets with far more precious metals than we have on earth. With supply increasing, prices will fall. Bitcoin on the other hand, in 2100, will still be limited to <21 million

And you think they'll pull off deep space asteroid mining of gold at under $1300 an oz?

Scarcity does not always equate to value also techology moves fast, do you think BTC will still be the no.1 crypto that far in the future?  My bet it is it will be a distant memory and state issued and backed crypto will be the norm.
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In my opinion gold will never lose interested people, this is because gold is the longest safest investment, even when there is a world war the war country only makes gold a payment system, and this is what makes gold always the first choice.
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Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.

If we own a gold miner then thats an investment, capital is deployed in working operations for profit or loss and so we are invested in business.   Just holding a plain currency gives me no part in that production, the people who hold US Dollar notes are creditors to a debt at best but have no yield or return or rights for that note as its not linked to any contract worth.


Exactly. The term "investment" is connected in with the production of wealth or with something that brings value to the economy, in my mind. If you hold gold/bitcoin/oil or any other commodity you are not an investor as you don't contribute to the value-added chain of economic growth. The same I could say with any kind of fiat money.
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While I always have interest in gold, it's not easily traded like coins and I don't fancy margin trading :/

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But you said that it has a very small price increase... How gold investors are going to be rich? By accumulating the small fractions of the price increase year by year?
Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.
It does makes sense that if people who investing gold aiming high profit then gold is not an good option because every year gold price were too stable but i have been ask the questions to the people in my country why they choose gold as their investment tools and mostly they answers is because gold price is stable from year to year and for long term purposse gold is good because gold was never lost the value

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January 15, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
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But you said that it has a very small price increase... How gold investors are going to be rich? By accumulating the small fractions of the price increase year by year?
Gold is not an investment. It is an alternative of saving and storing the value of your money. No one became rich by buying gold, because only rich people buy it.
It does makes sense that if people who investing gold aiming high profit then gold is not an good option because every year gold price were too stable but i have been ask the questions to the people in my country why they choose gold as their investment tools and mostly they answers is because gold price is stable from year to year and for long term purposse gold is good because gold was never lost the value


Still most of the people had lots of hope in the investment and gold so they are not accepting Bitcoin is better than gold but Bitcoin users will definitely we need to understand both Golden bit kind had equal responsibility to be stable for long time so we can definitely choose both these things as the future investment

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January 15, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
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The only important fact is fiat is the worst thing to hold.

Inflation always exceeds any interest paid on cash savings so constantly erodes purchasing power year on year.
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January 15, 2019, 12:57:17 PM
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Perhaps banks are now actively buying gold, but at the same time there is a very large number of OTC transactions during which various funds and individuals actively buy bitcoins from miners, and if they do this, this means that they have some kind of investment plan. I think that ultimately buying bitcoins is much more profitable than buying gold.
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Perhaps banks are now actively buying gold, but at the same time there is a very large number of OTC transactions during which various funds and individuals actively buy bitcoins from miners, and if they do this, this means that they have some kind of investment plan. I think that ultimately buying bitcoins is much more profitable than buying gold.

You have to factor in risk too as recent events have shown.
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January 15, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
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Yes, maybe some people will return to gold, or those who buy gold in large quantities, they really do not pay too much attention to the presence of Cryptocurrency. but I am sure, gold and bitcoin are both going to generate big profits. so now it's up to ourselves, want to stay here or be back in gold.
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Fast forward to the year 2100: If we manage to colonize our solar system, we will at some point be able to reach asteroids and planets with far more precious metals than we have on earth. With supply increasing, prices will fall. Bitcoin on the other hand, in 2100, will still be limited to <21 million

And you think they'll pull off deep space asteroid mining of gold at under $1300 an oz?

Scarcity does not always equate to value also techology moves fast, do you think BTC will still be the no.1 crypto that far in the future?  My bet it is it will be a distant memory and state issued and backed crypto will be the norm.


Unless a new significant use case for gold arises within the next decades (which is not impossible, could be something space related), the price will go down to its intrinsic value (on computer chips and the likes). Jewelry, which is one important use case for gold right now, is quite useless apart from being a part of our culture. Once people start to realize this, gold will go down in price. At the very latest, the price will go down once supply increases.

On Bitcoin existing in 2100: It's absolutely impossible to predict that far into the future. The scenario was hypothetical, and deliberately exaggerated in order to make the point, that while the supply of gold might spike at some point in the future, Bitcoins cannot.

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January 15, 2019, 05:00:50 PM
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it could all happen that no one can know for sure if seen from the beginning until now gold still exists and is still used by people as an investment does not cover the possibility that in the future gold can be a promising investment
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Unless a new significant use case for gold arises within the next decades (which is not impossible, could be something space related), the price will go down to its intrinsic value (on computer chips and the likes). Jewelry, which is one important use case for gold right now, is quite useless apart from being a part of our culture. Once people start to realize this, gold will go down in price. At the very latest, the price will go down once supply increases.

On Bitcoin existing in 2100: It's absolutely impossible to predict that far into the future. The scenario was hypothetical, and deliberately exaggerated in order to make the point, that while the supply of gold might spike at some point in the future, Bitcoins cannot.

Countries such as China and Russia are accumulating gold as quickly as possible.
Countries are fighting to repatriate their gold from the US and UK.
Gold jewellery has been sought after since around 3100 B.C. that is not about to change any time soon.
Gold does have a minimum floor price due to energy, equipment and people costs to pull it out of the ground all of which continue to increase in price with reducing yields.
Gold hits an all time high in 72 currencies:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-15/gold-hits-all-time-high-72-currencies



Bitcoin has no new use cases, no mass adoption, no killer app.  
It has existed such a small amount of time it could disappear tomorrow and the majority of the world wouldnt even notice.
There is no minimum floor price for bitcoin thanks to the automatic difficulty adjustment, 1 nerd mining on pentium III with bitcoin at $1 could happen.
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January 15, 2019, 06:43:16 PM
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Unless a new significant use case for gold arises within the next decades (which is not impossible, could be something space related), the price will go down to its intrinsic value (on computer chips and the likes). Jewelry, which is one important use case for gold right now, is quite useless apart from being a part of our culture. Once people start to realize this, gold will go down in price. At the very latest, the price will go down once supply increases.

On Bitcoin existing in 2100: It's absolutely impossible to predict that far into the future. The scenario was hypothetical, and deliberately exaggerated in order to make the point, that while the supply of gold might spike at some point in the future, Bitcoins cannot.

Gold doesn't need a new use case, it doesn't need to prove anything more. It showed us its strength long before we were born. Its price won't decrease no matter if we have not a new industry consuming it. Check back the gold history.
You contradict yourself, your first say jewelry is important and then useless. Which one should we take?

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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

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gold will always be an interesting item to have and store. since ancient times gold has become a valuable item today. and investing in gold is always profitable even though it is quite low every year. but the price of gold rarely goes down. so it's not surprising if now people are still interested in investing in gold.

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gold will always be an interesting item to have and store. since ancient times gold has become a valuable item today. and investing in gold is always profitable even though it is quite low every year. but the price of gold rarely goes down. so it's not surprising if now people are still interested in investing in gold.
I think gold will not become obsolete, it will not be excluded by technology and time. we know that gold has been around for thousands of years, and the price continues to stabilize and even increase. we don't go back to gold. we always invest in gold
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gold will always be an interesting item to have and store. since ancient times gold has become a valuable item today. and investing in gold is always profitable even though it is quite low every year. but the price of gold rarely goes down. so it's not surprising if now people are still interested in investing in gold.
after all, Emasn is one of the influential assets, and has a price wherever you are. when money is no longer guaranteed, most people will return to investing in gold, real estate, and others. I am sure, many of us target to have a lot of gold in the future. it is an investment that is easy to control.
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January 16, 2019, 11:05:55 AM
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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes
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January 16, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes
Seems legit. Another one is corrosion.
Do you really want to store your value in something that basically is goingto turn into rust just because exposed to air?

Sorry, I am new on this thread: are we brushing up WHY store of value is GOLD and not Copper or Silver? /sarcasm



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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes
Reassure me, you don't know anyone with 6.7 tons of copper in his house, do you? Even the Gypsys don't have.
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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes
Reassure me, you don't know anyone with 6.7 tons of copper in his house, do you? Even the Gypsys don't have.
That’s exactly why copper is not used as a store of value: storing big wealth with copper would be impracticable from a physical point of view. And if you think storing is a problem, try moving that wealth.
So wealth density is a very important quality for store of value. Gold is good, diamonds are better, but bitcoin is simply unbeatable from this point of view.

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January 17, 2019, 07:42:44 PM
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gold will always be an interesting item to have and store. since ancient times gold has become a valuable item today. and investing in gold is always profitable even though it is quite low every year. but the price of gold rarely goes down. so it's not surprising if now people are still interested in investing in gold.
I think gold will not become obsolete, it will not be excluded by technology and time. we know that gold has been around for thousands of years, and the price continues to stabilize and even increase. we don't go back to gold. we always invest in gold
No doubt gold has long history since years people are investing into it and growing their money but it’s not an old age now. It’s modern age where people are in need of modernized technologies and I think crypto investment is the best investment ever. Gold is now an old investment which is not fully acceptable in this era.
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And why Gold isn't good in this current era? When we were in the 1500 BC we were in a new era and gold was still used.
It's not because the technology improved that it makes gold outdated. Actually, I would say gold is stronger than bitcoin (i take BTC as an example since we talk about technology)
Why central banks are massively buying gold so? I strongly believe central banks are smarter than me.

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And why Gold isn't good in this current era? When we were in the 1500 BC we were in a new era and gold was still used.
It's not because the technology improved that it makes gold outdated. Actually, I would say gold is stronger than bitcoin (i take BTC as an example since we talk about technology)
Why central banks are massively buying gold so? I strongly believe central banks are smarter than me.

@fillippone
Have you invested in the diamond field?

Currently Gold is the best Store of Value (SoV).
This has to do with scarcity. All the gold ever mined in mankind history is basically a 70 meter cube. Gold is scarce means that the rate of gold mining is constant in history, above all constant regarding the price: spikes in prices basically cannot cause more gold digging (this is not true for other store of value, like silver).

Gold has proved in past century as a good SoV because goods priced in gold had constant prices, whilst in fiat money had increasing prices.

Now we live in a digital world: every aspect of our life has been digitised: communications, pictures, audio, money, wealth and so, sooner or later, a digitised world will need a digitised Store of Value. This is Bitcoin, as the only scarce digital asset available today.

Central banks are hoarding gold reserves because gold is a PROVEN store of value, Bitcoin is a tentative store of value, actually so far has been a subpar store of value because of volatility, that it is not a feature of a store of value (the opposite being true: SoV has a low volatility, above all in real terms).

Diamonds are historically a good store of value because of wealth concentration, in war times you could eat your diamond and safely carry your wealth in your stomach. But nowaday scarcity is totally artificial: not only we know diamonds are well abundant in Earth’s crust, but their scarcity is maintained by the monopolist supplier (De Beers) rigging the supply chain. In addition technology is now able to craft synthetic diamonds virtually indistinguishable from real ones. Diamonds are over imho.

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Gold is perfectly relevant even now.   It does not have be to held or exchanged as a piece of metal, it can be exchanged by agreement without physical transfer.    Economies circulate value and often multiple times between the same people, final settlement between countries is where actual transfer of the metal can occur hence the wording 'trading deficit' comes into play.

If theres any doubt why central banks have been net buyers of gold over 10 years its down to this difference.   We the people are still throwing bits of paper at each other while the long game is the final settlement of debts over decades and the price will be in gold not debt and bonds


The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes

Not a bad point but dont take these current prices as the set field for what is possible.   People said the same thing about bitcoin when it was 1 dollar, with only 21 million it could never be used for anything big because there isnt enough to go around.

Even now people want to argue about owning 1 bitcoin or not.  Obviously the idea is that most people only ever use bits not the entire coin, hence the name !

Same with any currency standard, forget the rich people.   I know everyone thinks its a top down system but thats a falsehood.   Same as democracy its down to the little votes that all add up, the smallest parts of an economy are what matters and is what drives growth.   The largest richest amounts often just want to preserve their purchasing power over time, hence land investment etc

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January 17, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
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I think there are a number of other base metals/products that one can invest in to store wealth

The problem is wealth density.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone.
$40k copper is 6.7 tonnes
Reassure me, you don't know anyone with 6.7 tons of copper in his house, do you? Even the Gypsys don't have.

More no copper lol.

About 95% in gold and the rest in silver. 

Silver is bad enough for starting to take up space, wouldn't touch anything else
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Gold is the best investment. and there is no such significant decline. different from bitcoin. but also gold cannot have a significant increase. of course everyone has their own opinions about an investment
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January 18, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
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@fillippone
I was interested in diamonds over a year ago and was even ready to go to Anvers... but that was when BTC was at $20k, since it didn't last long my interest too lol
I haven't known synthetic diamonds for long, I learned that from watching a documentary last year. I think by then there's a long way to go before it's used on a massive scale. And I think it will be very much framed, precisely to avoid finding synthetic diamonds in the jewelry for example.
(I may be wrong but De Beers isn't dominating as it did years ago.)

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So true. People think they have to hold their gold at home, actually, I don't know anyone with gold stored under the bed. It was valid during the time of my grandparents but not in 2019

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@fillippone
I was interested in diamonds over a year ago and was even ready to go to Anvers... but that was when BTC was at $20k, since it didn't last long my interest too lol
I haven't known synthetic diamonds for long, I learned that from watching a documentary last year. I think by then there's a long way to go before it's used on a massive scale. And I think it will be very much framed, precisely to avoid finding synthetic diamonds in the jewelry for example.
(I may be wrong but De Beers isn't dominating as it did years ago.)
De Beers is quite ready to flood the market with synthetic diamonds, actually.
Here you can find the last of a series of articles (others on the FT, but there’s a paywall).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-04/lab-made-diamonds-for-less-why-de-beers-s-plan-worries-rivals

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January 19, 2019, 12:55:54 AM
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im sure if someday people will comeback to gold. someday, there is nothing valuable than gold and silver. so, if you can buy, just buy for now.
gold is the best thing in the earth that you must have. technology still technology. if some fuel out of stock, you can walk with that technology
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The strong believers of cryptocurrency is set and ready for the up and down season of the market of cryptos , for gold it is a stable kind of investment and the value is not volatile compare to bitcoin, but I believe most crypto owners will not immediately goes back to gold, but continue to work for their coin investment.

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January 19, 2019, 02:38:19 AM
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im sure if someday people will comeback to gold. someday, there is nothing valuable than gold and silver. so, if you can buy, just buy for now.
gold is the best thing in the earth that you must have. technology still technology. if some fuel out of stock, you can walk with that technology
I think people will return to gold no matter what. in fact, when they already have a lot of money, or bitcoin, I think gold will be one of the things on their list to collect. for some reason, gold is a very good investment for now. and I feel that gold will always have a high price, and when we have it, we don't worry about the price in the future.

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January 19, 2019, 02:59:07 AM
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In my opinion, maybe going back to Gold, because currently, a very lucrative investment is a Gold investment because Gold investment is a long-term investment because the longer we have a Gold meal, the more expensive the price will be.
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January 19, 2019, 07:18:03 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold is safe haven and i think people already know it. But for transaction, i dont think people will back to gold because its not flexible and its about security. As investment, i am believe people prefer choosing gold as long investment because its already known for centuries
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January 20, 2019, 09:20:47 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold is safe haven and i think people already know it. But for transaction, i dont think people will back to gold because its not flexible and its about security. As investment, i am believe people prefer choosing gold as long investment because its already known for centuries
Gold is not safe because of its physical presence it’s hard to keep it away from street robbers and thief’s so I am sure people are not going to connect with good again once they try investing in bitcoin now is hardly possible for them to move again to 19th century where people were not having any other option than Gold.
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January 20, 2019, 02:25:30 PM
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it could happen because we know gold from the past until now is still valuable and still has value and interest may also be a good investment tool
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold is safe haven and i think people already know it. But for transaction, i dont think people will back to gold because its not flexible and its about security. As investment, i am believe people prefer choosing gold as long investment because its already known for centuries
Gold is not safe because of its physical presence it’s hard to keep it away from street robbers and thief’s so I am sure people are not going to connect with good again once they try investing in bitcoin now is hardly possible for them to move again to 19th century where people were not having any other option than Gold.
Typical trash post.
You have no idea what is gold. Do you think people go on the street with their gold in their pocket? Do you think people are dumb as you to invest in Bitcoin. For your education, people had several choice to invest in. Again you know nothing. Don't you have a school in your city?

Thanks to reminding me to set the topics in self-moderated mode Angry

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January 20, 2019, 08:28:37 PM
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I don't see a return to precious metals for one reason: convenience. Yes, in this day and age, especially in China, there is less cash. So it's not going back to precious metals.


I totally agree. It's hard to force people to get back things when they already found a way where they feel that convenience that they need. Just think that people are now switching to online shopping so using gold is not a good idea at all.
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January 20, 2019, 08:38:07 PM
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Likely yess, gold is one of top profitable investment in history. The price of gold is constantly increases, I personally prefer like to invest in gold or real estate rather than stocks market because the risk is very small although the profit is can't be gained in short time, need atleast 2-3 years for it.

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January 20, 2019, 09:13:49 PM
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Gold is a historical asset that's been used for years and has got a physical state. The same is not found with bitcoin, because it is completely an innovation and the major major backing is the technology. I'm sure every bitcoin holder or user will be having gold. People give importance to gold as a security asset that can be used any time on need while bitcoin is preferred as an asset for long term profiting as we don't know when the growth happens.
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January 20, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
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Likely yess, gold is one of top profitable investment in history. The price of gold is constantly increases, I personally prefer like to invest in gold or real estate rather than stocks market because the risk is very small although the profit is can't be gained in short time, need atleast 2-3 years for it.
You surely get half of the point here: gold increase the price measured in FIAT money, not because gold is increasing value, but because FIAT  money is decreasing in value. Price of gold measured in real terms has been stable in centuries.

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January 20, 2019, 10:45:13 PM
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Gold is safe haven and i think people already know it. But for transaction, i dont think people will back to gold because its not flexible and its about security. As investment, i am believe people prefer choosing gold as long investment because its already known for centuries
Gold is not safe because of its physical presence it’s hard to keep it away from street robbers and thief’s so I am sure people are not going to connect with good again once they try investing in bitcoin now is hardly possible for them to move again to 19th century where people were not having any other option than Gold.
Typical trash post.
You have no idea what is gold. Do you think people go on the street with their gold in their pocket? Do you think people are dumb as you to invest in Bitcoin. For your education, people had several choice to invest in. Again you know nothing. Don't you have a school in your city?

Thanks to reminding me to set the topics in self-moderated mode Angry
No kidding.  The only reason I came back to this thread was to see if there were any posts worth meriting, but all I see are the typical one-line sig shitposts which demonstrate that they can barely comprehend the thread title, much less anything else here.

Back to on-topic stuff:  goldbugs still keep hyping gold ownership, and meanwhile it's still <$1300/ounce and going nowhere--even amidst all the chaos we have in the world.  That sort of surprises me, since you'd think that investors would be looking for some safe-haven assets right now, and gold has historically been one of them.  Silver has gone up a bit, but not much.

As I've said before, there's no way in hell gold or any precious metal is going to be used the way it was before 1900.  Not even if there's a zombie apocalypse.  The world has moved (and continues to move) so far away from physical cash that we're past the point of no return right now.  As evidence I only have to go to the local convenience store and buy a cup of coffee.  Most of the people in line in front of me will pay with some form of card or their phone.  On the other hand, I do think certain people will always want to own gold, whether it's in the form of jewelry or collectible coins or whatever--but the world is done with it as a form of money.

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 #365

I don't see a return to precious metals for one reason: convenience. Yes, in this day and age, especially in China, there is less cash. So it's not going back to precious metals.

You might be right and another reason for Bitcoin is that online factor and easy integration.   But this alone is not really why gold will be a declining in usage, its easily possible to use gold in a proxy form and if your standard is centralised anyway and trusting higher authority in a conventional way then gold is just fine as a tradable service.  

You can hold the gold centrally and trade notes of worth that have a claim on that gold deposit.   That system works fine under most circumstances and has been normal for hundreds of years, the gold is settled when a larger amount is accrued like settling a credit card


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As I've said before, there's no way in hell gold or any precious metal is going to be used the way it was before 1900.  Not even if there's a zombie apocalypse.  The world has moved (and continues to move) so far away from physical cash that we're past the point of no return right now.


I'm always reminded of the Tide going out on a big beach when I was a kid.   It always seemed like the sea had gone and would never return, the plug was pulled in the seabed and this situation was irreversible.  It was barely in sight or at least at knee height only that was my view of the world.
Thats how people view gold, since 1971 gold has gone and it will never come back.  How could it come back when its been gone my entire life.   I understand why people would say that with respect to technology but gold has been outdated thousands of years by other ideas and ability to transfer value without a heavy rock.    Yet gold remains, its useful and unique and part of the money system I think forever.

The tide will turn, we will once again be using gold every day.   High tide will be surprise to everyone as we again are upto our chins in water in once what was only sand.   Change is not just possible but inevitable imo
[I live near the worlds largest tidal range btw, hence my memory of these epic beach ranges]

Bitcoin is what many people believe is that change, but its only one part of the story we will see happen

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January 21, 2019, 12:27:24 AM
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Gold always become safe haven investment. The growth always stable and more resistant againts inflation. I am believe if our economic using gold standart, our country economic getting stronger and can survive from economic crisis

While gold is considered to be a safe heaven, I don't feel it's return can sustain ones expenses these days. I feel gold has lost it's shine, as the demand for it also has fallen all across the globe. I feel people now are ready to take more risks, for higher returns and are looking for risky ventures to earn and sustain for itself. Hence I feel people will opt for cryptos over gold, as they'll get more returns with cryptos.

Gold is safe investment and i think gold hard to speculate the price in investment market or any market. Gold more resistant on inflation compare with fiat money because paper money always flooded in market by central banks.
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January 21, 2019, 12:47:52 AM
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Gold is safe haven and i think people already know it. But for transaction, i dont think people will back to gold because its not flexible and its about security. As investment, i am believe people prefer choosing gold as long investment because its already known for centuries
Gold is not safe because of its physical presence it’s hard to keep it away from street robbers and thief’s so I am sure people are not going to connect with good again once they try investing in bitcoin now is hardly possible for them to move again to 19th century where people were not having any other option than Gold.
Typical trash post.
You have no idea what is gold. Do you think people go on the street with their gold in their pocket? Do you think people are dumb as you to invest in Bitcoin. For your education, people had several choice to invest in. Again you know nothing. Don't you have a school in your city?

Thanks to reminding me to set the topics in self-moderated mode Angry
No kidding.  The only reason I came back to this thread was to see if there were any posts worth meriting, but all I see are the typical one-line sig shitposts which demonstrate that they can barely comprehend the thread title, much less anything else here.
Strange,
Because your message basically agrees with my message here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081092.msg49287476#msg49287476

Ready to debate though.

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January 21, 2019, 12:22:52 PM
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it could happen because we know gold from the past until now is still valuable and still has value and interest may also be a good investment tool
I think gold now has a high price and bitcoin has dropped dramatically and I think this is a bitcoin problem today and many investors are moving gold rather than bitcoin
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January 21, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
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Gold is not safe because of its physical presence it’s hard to keep it away from street robbers and thief’s so I am sure people are not going to connect with good again once they try investing in bitcoin now is hardly possible for them to move again to 19th century where people were not having any other option than Gold.

Owning physical gold exposes you to a few local thieves, owning bitcoin exposes you to a global network of hackers.

How many exchanges been hacked?
How many people have been scammed on this forum?

Find me a precious metals forum with a section similar to the scam accustion thread on this forum, you wont find one.

$40k gold is the size of a smart phone and very easy to hide away securely and if your discreet how would anyone know you have it?

Buying gold with cash is anonomous, dealing with bitcoin leaves your digital fingerprint everywhere you go.
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No kidding.  The only reason I came back to this thread was to see if there were any posts worth meriting, but all I see are the typical one-line sig shitposts which demonstrate that they can barely comprehend the thread title, much less anything else here.


They give me stress. Sometimes I have to read the same post 3 times and it often comes to the point I wonder if I'm not the one who's dumb.
Sure gold won't be used for our daily uses like it was used centuries ago, but as a store of value, it could easily happen. Today generations don't know how it is to live in a war (I don't too btw). If a day it happens they will quickly understand.


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No kidding.  The only reason I came back to this thread was to see if there were any posts worth meriting, but all I see are the typical one-line sig shitposts which demonstrate that they can barely comprehend the thread title, much less anything else here.


They give me stress. Sometimes I have to read the same post 3 times and it often comes to the point I wonder if I'm not the one who's dumb.
Sure gold won't be used for our daily uses like it was used centuries ago, but as a store of value, it could easily happen. Today generations don't know how it is to live in a war (I don't too btw). If a day it happens they will quickly understand.



Have a look at Glint, it lets you link a mastercard to an allocated gold holding and you can switch between several currencies.

Makes saving and spending gold quick and simple:
https://glintpay.com/


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January 21, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
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Crypto is much better than gold.

Instead of backing money up by some precious metal, it's backed by pure abstract math. It's the concept of the future.

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January 21, 2019, 03:00:23 PM
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Gold can be physically held, has other valuable properties instead of scarsity. It is only subject to theft by people coming to your house/bank. Has been a safe store of value for hundreds of years.
Crypto is good for worldwide transactions with a good level of anonimity. It however can potentially be stolen or cracked making it easier in use and abuse. It is in it's infancy so we don't fully trust it yet.

As with every investment you need to split risk. So it is good to have both in your portfolio.

I therefore think people will still go back to gold.

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January 21, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
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Gold can be physically held, has other valuable properties instead of scarsity. It is only subject to theft by people coming to your house/bank. Has been a safe store of value for hundreds of years.
Crypto is good for worldwide transactions with a good level of anonimity. It however can potentially be stolen or cracked making it easier in use and abuse. It is in it's infancy so we don't fully trust it yet.

As with every investment you need to split risk. So it is good to have both in your portfolio.

I therefore think people will still go back to gold.

People very rarely store their gold in their home, I told it already but since you didn't read anything on this topic... on the top of that it's often not covered by insurances. There is no anonymity in cryptos as soon you exchange it with fiat and the money hits your bank account.


It's like if you hide your face with a balaclava but on your t-shirt, it's written "Hey it's me! Wilhelm!"  Cheesy

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January 21, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
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Gold can be physically held, has other valuable properties instead of scarsity. It is only subject to theft by people coming to your house/bank. Has been a safe store of value for hundreds of years.
Crypto is good for worldwide transactions with a good level of anonimity. It however can potentially be stolen or cracked making it easier in use and abuse. It is in it's infancy so we don't fully trust it yet.

As with every investment you need to split risk. So it is good to have both in your portfolio.

I therefore think people will still go back to gold.

People very rarely store their gold in their home, I told it already but since you didn't read anything on this topic... on the top of that it's often not covered by insurances. There is no anonymity in cryptos as soon you exchange it with fiat and the money hits your bank account.


It's like if you hide your face with a balaclava but on your t-shirt, it's written "Hey it's me! Wilhelm!"  Cheesy

Well gold shares aren't gold so let's put that aside.
Almost all cash in countries are no longer backed by gold or silver so keeping your gold in the bank is an IOY. Cash is also an IOY. IOY is not gold.
The federal reserve is most likely empty since my country and other countries are having problems getting gold back from the USA.
More and more people are no longer trusting banks and are physically storing gold and silver.
The topic talks about going back to gold. I interpreted it like having gold in the olden days. When you bite your gold dollar to test if it real.

I know there is no full anonymity that's why I wrote "a good level of". Ever tried tracing a coin to a person? No well it's not as simple as you might think. Especially if you run it through a few trading sites or satoshi dice mixers or swap it around through shitcoins or sell it through coldwallet handovers. You can only figure out the person after he/she has bought or sold Bitcoin and the providing a link to an account in the ledger.

In your analogy it would be more like.
- You buy a balaclava.
- Cops see you in a balaclava.
- They figure out the type of the balaclava.
- They trace it back to the store(s).
- They get the financial records.
- They trace it to you.
- They then need to figure out if you used your creditcard.
- They then need to figure out if you used the balaclava.

Not as simple.

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Gold, unlike Bitcoin, has long been used by people. In turn, this shows the stability of gold. Therefore, it is natural that they acquire it, although there are other factors for this.  Undecided
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after the fall of bitcoin prices from 2018, it seems that there have been a lot of cryptocurrency traders who have moved out and moved back to gold trading, chances are they will come back when the bitcoin is able to make a profit again.

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I agree with the commentator above. Due to the fall of Bitcoin, traders have nothing left but to switch to something else. It seems that gold has become.  Sad
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January 22, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
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Crypto is much better than gold.

Instead of backing money up by some precious metal, it's backed by pure abstract math. It's the concept of the future.

For many people, Gold is more trusted as store of value and as investment. Gold already known for centuries and its very easy to liquidate Gold if holder want to sell it. But i think bitcoin and gold can be an investment at same time

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January 22, 2019, 09:45:22 AM
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Gold, unlike Bitcoin, has long been used by people. In turn, this shows the stability of gold. Therefore, it is natural that they acquire it, although there are other factors for this.  Undecided
I do not think that investors who were after gold are also investing in cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency is new compared to gold so the users were also new. Those old one's are having use to invest gold and they are now earning the profit but if they had also made it to cryptocurrency then probably OP is right they may be able to go back investing in gold because cryptocurrency is not good for now.

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January 22, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
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Crypto is much better than gold.

Instead of backing money up by some precious metal, it's backed by pure abstract math. It's the concept of the future.

Money isn't backed by precious metals. It's backed by an IOY of the government. A long, long time ago it was backed by gold and silver. Smiley
Crypto is backed by math and math can be broken too.

Gold will always be gold. Don't expect it to increase or decrease in value a lot. This makes gold a stable investment.

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January 22, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
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Gold will always be gold. Don't expect it to increase or decrease in value a lot. This makes gold a stable investment.

Again, I repeat an important concept I tried to explain in one of my post here above: Gold is a good store of value because it has a constant REAL purchasing power. Gold price in FIAT measure in reality the volatility of the unit of measure, the price of the FIAT currency. Gold has been appreciating in USD terms because USD has been slowly losing value because of inflation. Gold in BOLIVAR had an explosive price action,  not because it became suddenly preciour, but because bolivar basically lost all his value.
Gold has proven such potential over centuries. Bitcoin started 10 years ago. It’s a long way to be a proven store of value.

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January 22, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
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Govs are keeping his reserve in golds it works like a hedge to dollar
But people i don't think so
There are countries where gold is like very traditional saving.That is Russia for example
China is very much supporting gold buy by his people and companies
But gold is much more like a saving than investment for profit
Gold price is frozen by virtual gold trading i hope it will be not the same with bitcoin

 
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January 22, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
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I see no purpose in gold. It looks nice. If stuff hits the fan, your gold will have no utility in "the collapse". The government has seized it before. And if there's a societal collapse, having currency should be the least of your concerns. There won't even be an economy.

The abandonment of gold has made us more economically safer. We don't have extreme booms and busts. Interest rates are under control. The currency can act as a buffer for any economic issues. Inflation has never been so consistently low. Just in the 60's (when we had gold) there were decades of stagflation. The floating of the dollar has been good for the world economy.
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January 22, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
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I see no purpose in gold. It looks nice. If stuff hits the fan, your gold will have no utility in "the collapse". The government has seized it before. And if there's a societal collapse, having currency should be the least of your concerns. There won't even be an economy.

The abandonment of gold has made us more economically safer. We don't have extreme booms and busts. Interest rates are under control. The currency can act as a buffer for any economic issues. Inflation has never been so consistently low. Just in the 60's (when we had gold) there were decades of stagflation. The floating of the dollar has been good for the world economy.
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January 22, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
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I don't see a return to precious metals for one reason: convenience. Yes, in this day and age, especially in China, there is less cash. So it's not going back to precious metals.
That is what many believe but it is not true, convenience goes out of the window when your fiat is not worth the paper in which it is printed at that point people will use whatever form of money that guarantees them stability even if it is not as convenient to use as fiat, so gold could always make a come back and all the governments around the world know it.
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January 23, 2019, 02:02:57 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

people will still choose bitcoin even at the times likes this, gold seems to be harder to earn or mine unlike bitcoin, you can earn it right here or anywhere that adopts cryptocurrency. It will be just a matter of time before bitcoin takes over everything.

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January 23, 2019, 02:26:23 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

people will still choose bitcoin even at the times likes this, gold seems to be harder to earn or mine unlike bitcoin, you can earn it right here or anywhere that adopts cryptocurrency. It will be just a matter of time before bitcoin takes over everything.
I don't think it is like that, gold has more users than in the past, and many believe it. gold is a consistent type of investment, so it's not surprising that many like it. but that does not mean investors return to gold
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

people will still choose bitcoin even at the times likes this, gold seems to be harder to earn or mine unlike bitcoin, you can earn it right here or anywhere that adopts cryptocurrency. It will be just a matter of time before bitcoin takes over everything.
I don't think it is like that, gold has more users than in the past, and many believe it. gold is a consistent type of investment, so it's not surprising that many like it. but that does not mean investors return to gold
gold proved as good investment portofolio in long time.so no doubt if people back to gold as their portofolio.i think each investors have gold as their portofolio too, they dont buy it recently.

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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

people will still choose bitcoin even at the times likes this, gold seems to be harder to earn or mine unlike bitcoin, you can earn it right here or anywhere that adopts cryptocurrency. It will be just a matter of time before bitcoin takes over everything.
I don't think it is like that, gold has more users than in the past, and many believe it. gold is a consistent type of investment, so it's not surprising that many like it. but that does not mean investors return to gold
gold proved as good investment portofolio in long time.so no doubt if people back to gold as their portofolio.i think each investors have gold as their portofolio too, they dont buy it recently.

Gold is the best in how many years but why some investor go to coins like bitcoin, because they want to explore and try others much better. Yes it is risk but it is in high return in the future.
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Gold is convertible currency. Eventually we need immutable currency in rapidly changing situation
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January 23, 2019, 05:39:50 PM
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Crypto is much better than gold.

Instead of backing money up by some precious metal, it's backed by pure abstract math. It's the concept of the future.

Seriously? Crypto better than Gold?  Cheesy
FYI the money isn't backed by gold since Nixon president, it's maybe 40-50 years ago

I see no purpose in gold. It looks nice. If stuff hits the fan, your gold will have no utility in "the collapse". The government has seized it before. And if there's a societal collapse, having currency should be the least of your concerns. There won't even be an economy.


In a "collapse" Gold may be the only utility people will need, and those who don't own will become poorer than the poors. Govts. may size the gold stored in banks vaults, not under your bed. People know this already that's why some store their gold in a country where it can't be sized (i.e Belgium & Switzerland for the EU)

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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
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January 23, 2019, 07:52:33 PM
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Well gold shares aren't gold so let's put that aside.


The topic talks about going back to gold. I interpreted it like having gold in the olden days. When you bite your gold dollar to test if it real.
Gold was not used directly in olden days mostly.   We might need to argue about silver coins (hence £Sterling) there but the majority of a population would never carry a gold coin.
   Theres no need to transport metal in every transaction to prove it took place, like now most bills were settled by account or notes.    We can certainly return to a system that references gold, the price would likely need to be 10,000 per ounce however in order that price of available gold in circulation would adequately describe and allow for world trade.
Jim Rickards discusses why 10,000 and not 5,000 and how the wrong price would cause upset like any bad exchange rate can to national commerce.

Going back to gold is not a return to the old west and gun fights at high noon, that might be the idea transfixed in peoples minds.   All it means is a fixed system of account not with debt produced by governments as the sole basis to money used by a population.    Its easy to see that the egos of national heads is not a stable basis for value and international business

Gold shares are a share of the company assets, presuming assets outweight debts that company would be holding gold in some proportion.   I get what you mean but its possible for a company share to be entirely 100% a pile of gold in a safe.   Its unlikely, most likely the gold mining firm owns land which contains raw gold possibly requires millions to extract it.   However its still gold in some form or another.
Debt or bonds legally supersedes a company share, so its very reliant on the company not owing more in debt then it can repay before creditors seize the company.  Obviously its not straight forward but many companies have a valid resource at $700 cost per ounce to extract, thats all normal so its gold in a long term holding.  It could even be superior to holding in a safe where it can be more easily taken

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January 23, 2019, 08:30:31 PM
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after the fall of bitcoin prices from 2018, it seems that there have been a lot of cryptocurrency traders who have moved out and moved back to gold trading, chances are they will come back when the bitcoin is able to make a profit again.

I fully agree with your point of view. And makes sense to switch between both in fact, even when it is not my personal preference to do so.

For now investors/traders are making sure to buy to take advantage of the next price rising. I personally don't like trading very much but i should probably start learning about it for the future.

It is certainly possible that people come back to gold in crisis due to it's intrinsic value, especially if you have your gold yourself in extreme cases.
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.
gold is different from bitcoin, they are different worlds and their uses. if in the real world not everyone can have gold because the price is expensive because gold is stable and there must be capital to have it. if in the digital world bitcoin can be bought at cheap prices and sell it at high prices if the market is stable. I prefer to invest with bitcoin and it's comfortable here.

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January 28, 2019, 05:16:11 PM
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China and America are currently buying gold on a large scale, that is a question in my mind, the two most developed countries in world trade buy gold on a large scale.
maybe they are preparing something, maybe the biggest world crisis that is expected to happen soon, they are clearly preparing to face it.

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January 28, 2019, 05:42:07 PM
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.
gold is different from bitcoin, they are different worlds and their uses. if in the real world not everyone can have gold because the price is expensive because gold is stable and there must be capital to have it. if in the digital world bitcoin can be bought at cheap prices and sell it at high prices if the market is stable. I prefer to invest with bitcoin and it's comfortable here.

The difference in gold and bitcoin is also evident from the way it is mining. Where gold must damage the environment to get it while bitcoin does not damage anything because it only requires energy like electricity to be able to mine it. I think someone has a different choice between investing in gold and bitcoin. For someone who wants an investment with physical evidence, he will choose to invest in gold, but if someone thinks that physical form is not needed, chances are he will choose bitcoin investment.
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China and America are currently buying gold on a large scale, that is a question in my mind, the two most developed countries in world trade buy gold on a large scale.
maybe they are preparing something, maybe the biggest world crisis that is expected to happen soon, they are clearly preparing to face it.

I'd love if that were true and China might be diversifying its bond holdings into gold but USA if you meant to say they are net buyers of gold, thats not correct pretty sure.    We all know the story with the US fiscal budget for many years going back decades now is to run a deficit resulting in the highest levels of debt ever, even ww2 which made so many countries massively poorer did not see such complacency to debt as this.    

Gold is mined and sold, its not retained as an asset, the ratio of debt or dollars issued into circulation is far lower then previously for gold held.    Its possible US has its fort knox gold reserves still but they are tiny amount of total debt owed.     Almost all of the richest nations are relying on traded debt not the solid value in gold or similar

China, Russia and maybe India not sure but not many countries are increasing gold as a proportion of reserves.   Overall I've read government have been net buyers of gold but I think its a few buyers not a trend of many overall.  China as a communist nation had few reserves in gold apparently, now they have become the worlds largest producer of gold (formerly south africa) with no exports and also the worlds largest importer of gold if I remember right
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January 29, 2019, 12:37:33 AM
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.

I think its because cryptocurrency not recognized yet as commodity or investment. If government recognized cryptocurrency is an investment, i think more people will invest in crypto. But gold already known for centuries and people can back to gold system if economic system always crash
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.

I think its because cryptocurrency not recognized yet as commodity or investment. If government recognized cryptocurrency is an investment, i think more people will invest in crypto. But gold already known for centuries and people can back to gold system if economic system always crash
although appear new investment portofolio in finance industry, gold and silver will have their own place.they have fanatic investors that always buy it.but cryptocurrency one step closer be commodity.moreover after SEC approve etf, there will much large investor come to cryptocurrency market.

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January 29, 2019, 03:27:48 AM
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Many investor back to the gold investment because have waiting for one year bitcoin still not have progress to higher price, they have tired about how bitcoin price always dump, they take new way to back at gold investment because never have lower and dump price.

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January 29, 2019, 05:57:38 AM
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Many investor back to the gold investment because have waiting for one year bitcoin still not have progress to higher price, they have tired about how bitcoin price always dump, they take new way to back at gold investment because never have lower and dump price.

People should be investing in both of the options if they want to stabilize their investment and not just concentrate on one of them. Diversification will help them to make money even if market is down for any one of them. This will help them to make returns rather than just be depended on a single product.

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January 29, 2019, 06:07:03 AM
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Gold is always the best in the market, whether it can be of long term or short term. Because, gold will be stable for long term as well grows with time. Importantly there is not much of volatility with gold, while cryptocurrency is highly volatile. To my understanding gold will always be preferred by the user who expect to stay on a risk free platform. I believe most of the users will diversify with gold and cryptocurrencies.
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January 29, 2019, 07:34:54 AM
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Many investor back to the gold investment because have waiting for one year bitcoin still not have progress to higher price, they have tired about how bitcoin price always dump, they take new way to back at gold investment because never have lower and dump price.

People should be investing in both of the options if they want to stabilize their investment and not just concentrate on one of them. Diversification will help them to make money even if market is down for any one of them. This will help them to make returns rather than just be depended on a single product.

investing in one product is risky, choosing both of them does provide a sense of security for our assets. it is impossible for a business to run well continuously, so that when one investment slows, the other one can cover up
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January 29, 2019, 08:44:26 AM
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Well it looks like the return of gold is Herr again because the whole economy is facing lots of challenges and at that it was recorded that the America stock also suffered a great lose in recent time and at that what we are facing presently in the price of all commodities in the exchange market is also general and it sims gold is the only commodity with a stable price.
People always idolize gold as an investment and appearance, because the price increases are stable and certain.
Other investments such as cryptocurrency always experience price fluctuations which are very risky to experience losses, unlike gold. Gold investment is safer.

I truly don't believe that buying should be characterized as a sort of investment. I think that people buy gold and got involved in this market in order to store their wealth value. The price of the gold doesn't fluctuate a lot thus buyers are securing their money to this commodity. Something that can hard to happen in other commodities such as oil for example.
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Last week there was an article published saying that crypto investors are slowly turning to gold. I didn't read the article honestly so I don't know what do they call "investors". I don't call a crypto dude with $50 an investor btw. But look like a trend really started now and a looot of money is being injected in the market

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January 29, 2019, 11:17:33 PM
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Yes, everything can happen, because the declining price of Bitcoin can cause Investors to turn to gold, because in Bitcoin it can't generate profits as it once did, so the decline is caused by investors selling Bitcoin to invest in gold.
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January 29, 2019, 11:58:36 PM
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Last week there was an article published saying that crypto investors are slowly turning to gold. I didn't read the article honestly so I don't know what do they call "investors". I don't call a crypto dude with $50 an investor btw. But look like a trend really started now and a looot of money is being injected in the market


Yes I know the article.  Its a consumer newspaper so I think they are talking about the people on the street because there is more of them it adds up.    Money is partly because people store value in it.    Business or whales are not as important as the mass of a population but people take more notice of a big business, partly because business will advertise its moves in various ways that is more certain then a trend change in a population

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Last week there was an article published saying that crypto investors are slowly turning to gold. I didn't read the article honestly so I don't know what do they call "investors". I don't call a crypto dude with $50 an investor btw. But look like a trend really started now and a looot of money is being injected in the market


Interesting article I must say created skilfully and with the sole purpose of misleading, and causing confusion in the mind of bitcoins investors especially newbies. It’s comon sense they’re trying to trigger the herd mentality, and fomo effect in making people dump bitcoins for gold, but they failed when it came to you (bitcoin ninja). I feel this bubble of people shifting from bitcoins to gold is one big lie, and will soon burst and those who fell for it will regret it.
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January 30, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
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Ah,
forgot to mention one BIG problem with gold investment.

Also there is a parallel with bitcoin:
Bitcoin:"Not your keys, not your Bitcoin".
Gold:   "Not your vault, not your Gold".

Your gold is closed in a bank, but they refuse to give it to you:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-maduro-bank-of-england-gold-withdrawal-gbr-intl/index.html

Your gold is locked on a bank, but the bank decide to steal it:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/venezuela-has-20-tons-of-gold-ready-to-ship-destination-unknown




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Ah,
forgot to mention one BIG problem with gold investment.

Also there is a parallel with bitcoin:
Bitcoin:"Not your keys, not your Bitcoin".
Gold:   "Not your vault, not your Gold".

Your gold is closed in a bank, but they refuse to give it to you:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-maduro-bank-of-england-gold-withdrawal-gbr-intl/index.html

Your gold is locked on a bank, but the bank decide to steal it:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/venezuela-has-20-tons-of-gold-ready-to-ship-destination-unknown



Any reason why you cant safely store it somewhere in your control?
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Last edit: January 30, 2019, 11:38:51 PM by fillippone
 #414

Ah,
forgot to mention one BIG problem with gold investment.

Also there is a parallel with bitcoin:
Bitcoin:"Not your keys, not your Bitcoin".
Gold:   "Not your vault, not your Gold".

Your gold is closed in a bank, but they refuse to give it to you:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-maduro-bank-of-england-gold-withdrawal-gbr-intl/index.html

Your gold is locked on a bank, but the bank decide to steal it:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/venezuela-has-20-tons-of-gold-ready-to-ship-destination-unknown



Any reason why you cant safely store it somewhere in your control?

Storing gold is pretty easy to hide, but where? In your house? Where do you put it? In a safe? Come on...
Anyway the point is: when you trust someone to hold your Gold you think you still are the owner of such gold, while in reality you are not.
Same for bitcoin.

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Currently, the value of a dollar (for example) bill is an arbitrary value, which depends on the whim of the government. And the government can print money like a photocopier. There are no restrictions on how much money it can put into circulation.

The US dollar became a fiat currency after the abolition of gold collateral more than 46 years ago and has lost 97% of its value since the creation of the Fed in 1913.
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I see a little difference comparing it with Bitcoin. You may rent a vault, you paid for a service, the bank is not supposed to know what there is in. Banks don't size your gold, governments do. It's also the reason why people store their gold in countries where the governments can't size it like Belgium or Switzerland. You also have the certificate so if something happens it could be called a robbery

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January 30, 2019, 10:12:49 PM
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I see a little difference comparing it with Bitcoin. You may rent a vault, you paid for a service, the bank is not supposed to know what there is in. Banks don't size your gold, governments do. It's also the reason why people store their gold in countries where the governments can't size it like Belgium or Switzerland. You also have the certificate so if something happens it could be called a robbery
With Bitcoin you can run a full node and nobody ever will be able to steal your bitcoin.
Regarding Gold: you can desposit your gold in Bank of England and still they can refuse to give you such gold.
This a huge difference in favour of bitcoin.
This is why you should run a Bitcoin full node (follow my guide in signature if you can speak Italian).

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Why should people go back to gold if they have an excellent analogue at their disposal - Bitcoin, Bitcoin is much better than gold, and the dynamics of its growth are much better than the dynamics of growth of gold. It's much easier to store and send over long distances than gold. Bitcoin is perfect in this regard.
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January 30, 2019, 11:36:31 PM
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Ah,
forgot to mention one BIG problem with gold investment.

Also there is a parallel with bitcoin:
Bitcoin:"Not your keys, not your Bitcoin".
Gold:   "Not your vault, not your Gold".

Your gold is closed in a bank, but they refuse to give it to you:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/26/uk/venezuela-maduro-bank-of-england-gold-withdrawal-gbr-intl/index.html

Your gold is locked on a bank, but the bank decide to steal it:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/venezuela-has-20-tons-of-gold-ready-to-ship-destination-unknown



Any reason why you cant safely store it somewhere in your control?

Storing gold is pretty easy to hide, but where? In your house? Where do you put it? In a safe? Come on...
anyway the point is: when you trust someone to hold your Gold you think you still are the owner of such gold, while in reality you are not.
Same for bitcoin.

anyway

I agree, although gold has a very promising value to every person but you cannot guarantee the security of it. Those people entrusted by your wealth cannot sustain longer for the loyalty they had for you. Unlike with bitcoin, the freedom is always there for us as well as being anonymous on our holdings. So in general, people will eventually realize that digital asset is better than physical one like gold.

 
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Many investor back to the gold investment because have waiting for one year bitcoin still not have progress to higher price, they have tired about how bitcoin price always dump, they take new way to back at gold investment because never have lower and dump price.
People have never departed from the eternal human values, among which gold holds the most honorable place. Cryptocurrency is used by only five percent of the world's population. Now she is experiencing very bad times. How it will develop further, nobody knows. Therefore, gold was, is and will be gold.

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January 31, 2019, 05:43:49 AM
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Why should people go back to gold if they have an excellent analogue at their disposal - Bitcoin, Bitcoin is much better than gold, and the dynamics of its growth are much better than the dynamics of growth of gold. It's much easier to store and send over long distances than gold. Bitcoin is perfect in this regard.
well, sometimes bitcoin does become more potential than gold. but, however we think, gold has always been the goal of ordinary people. even 1 kg of gold has an unusually high price. many people collect gold little by little for that. well, sooner or later, people will definitely buy gold, and that is not surprising.

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Cryptocurrency is used by only five percent of the world's population.
I'm going to be really surprised if an accurate measure of usage for either cryptocurrency or gold came close to one percent of the worlds population, by business done.    People have definitely completely left the gold system, in any direct way at least.

Its true banks have some gold and use the markets to some extent but this usage does not extend to populations in normal business.   I dont think many parts of the world regularly use gold as their currency, best I've heard of is Vietnam houses sales being done in bars of gold because their currency  from paper notes is so unreliable the price could not be agreed otherwise.  
I dont think there is much of a regular market otherwise, obviously I know about jewellery and gold is popular in India and China and many parts.
  Ive not heard of it used to do business exactly, its a semi asset sure but with an irregular price still depreciated by debt based national currency holding precedence by legal backing and taxes, etc

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January 31, 2019, 06:42:03 AM
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Well, i think it would never happen, but we are all aware how much the value of Gold and its value increases every time  that's why i highly suggest to invest many Gold.
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February 05, 2019, 04:34:01 PM
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China and America are currently buying gold on a large scale, that is a question in my mind, the two most developed countries in world trade buy gold on a large scale.
maybe they are preparing something, maybe the biggest world crisis that is expected to happen soon, they are clearly preparing to face it.
I do not know if this is true but I will not be surprised if that is the case, they are not dumb they understand that the economy is not going to keep going as it is for that long and they are taking the necessary precautions to keep being powerful countries after that happens but what they are not considering is that people could move away from fiat and gold and use cryptocurrencies instead.
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February 06, 2019, 06:39:37 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

I'm pretty sure Gold and Silver will come back again. and that's will be our tools for buy/sell. gold and silver don't got impact from Inflation or others. if you know the history of the FIAT and the capitalist monetary system, you will find the answer.

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Gold I see as a safe haven investment. It is part of the very nation's economy because it has a correction with other currencies in foreign exchange. It shelters people from times of global economic uncertainty. It is used to hedge against potential threats to paper currency. Gold investment is revisited many proactive investors
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Gold I see as a safe haven investment. It is part of the very nation's economy because it has a correction with other currencies in foreign exchange. It shelters people from times of global economic uncertainty. It is used to hedge against potential threats to paper currency. Gold investment is revisited many proactive investors
gold could survive when there are huge inflation in global economic.and this is why people still prefer investing in gold although there are many investment portofolio that could give them big profit.
besides that gold is tangible and can be used as jewelry. On the other hand gold has fans who will never recede to invest, because it is not affected by inflation. and I think it's reasonable if some people invest their funds in gold while waiting for the BTC to be excited

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February 06, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
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Gold I see as a safe haven investment. It is part of the very nation's economy because it has a correction with other currencies in foreign exchange. It shelters people from times of global economic uncertainty. It is used to hedge against potential threats to paper currency. Gold investment is revisited many proactive investors
gold could survive when there are huge inflation in global economic.and this is why people still prefer investing in gold although there are many investment portofolio that could give them big profit.
besides that gold is tangible and can be used as jewelry. On the other hand gold has fans who will never recede to invest, because it is not affected by inflation. and I think it's reasonable if some people invest their funds in gold while waiting for the BTC to be excited
How much gold you have? Do you use gold very often? What you think about the usage of gold in history, was that a privilege or anyone could have it and use it? What`s the difference between back than and now? When ever I see topic about gold here I always say the same thing, I don`t like gold, I never used gold for anything, so how can I return to gold? Why would I return to gold? To become gold digger? Wake up people, miners are the ones who have big mining rigs and they mine for nice profit while they are clean, other kind of miners are dirty and very low paid workers, what you want to be?



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February 06, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
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With Bitcoin you can run a full node and nobody ever will be able to steal your bitcoin.
Regarding Gold: you can desposit your gold in Bank of England and still they can refuse to give you such gold.
This a huge difference in favour of bitcoin.
This is why you should run a Bitcoin full node (follow my guide in signature if you can speak Italian).

Putting your gold in someone else's possession be it a bank, vault or security box is the same as holding all your crypto on an exchange.  It introduces another element of 3rd party risk.

The safe way is to hold your own private keys and hold your own physical gold.

I would be amazed if there was anyone on this forum with so much wealth they couldnt easily hide it in the form of gold in their own house considering how value dense gold is.  $40k gold is around the size of a smart phone, how hard is that to hide.
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February 06, 2019, 12:05:39 PM
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gold will always be appreciated, and the demand for it will not fall, and prices will constantly grow on it, prices will not be affected by the crisis and other problems this is a really stable product
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February 06, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
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We all know gold value is more stable than bitcoin and the transactions was started longer than digital items. Possible the people will get back to gold investment if the market trend is always declining but I also believe they will not leave crypto living. It is base on its own strategy how we deal crypto at this point. The survival time is real, to quite is not the answer.
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February 06, 2019, 01:05:28 PM
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Why should people go back to gold if they have an excellent analogue at their disposal - Bitcoin, Bitcoin is much better than gold, and the dynamics of its growth are much better than the dynamics of growth of gold. It's much easier to store and send over long distances than gold. Bitcoin is perfect in this regard.
well, sometimes bitcoin does become more potential than gold. but, however we think, gold has always been the goal of ordinary people. even 1 kg of gold has an unusually high price. many people collect gold little by little for that. well, sooner or later, people will definitely buy gold, and that is not surprising.

investors are only looking for something that can provide benefits for them and try to still be able to grow their assets, and when they see the price of bitcoin always falling maybe they will come out of cryptocurrency and return to the initial investment place where they feel they can get profits every day.

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February 06, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
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With Bitcoin you can run a full node and nobody ever will be able to steal your bitcoin.
Regarding Gold: you can desposit your gold in Bank of England and still they can refuse to give you such gold.
This a huge difference in favour of bitcoin.
This is why you should run a Bitcoin full node (follow my guide in signature if you can speak Italian).

Putting your gold in someone else's possession be it a bank, vault or security box is the same as holding all your crypto on an exchange.  It introduces another element of 3rd party risk.

The safe way is to hold your own private keys and hold your own physical gold.

I would be amazed if there was anyone on this forum with so much wealth they couldnt easily hide it in the form of gold in their own house considering how value dense gold is.  $40k gold is around the size of a smart phone, how hard is that to hide.

The risk is free because you have insurance included to cover any events even against natural disasters or terrorist attacks. But keeping at home is another story, you're not so safe from a robbery at home. Go to ask any insurer, you're covered with the house insurance but up to $x,xxx only

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February 07, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
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I still don't have any gold in any part of my house because I know that it is hard to make a business with it for me that's why I still gonna find a different ways of earnings like Cryptocurrency. It makes more sense than putting my self to a hard time of making more profit because I know it is hard to make more money it.

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February 07, 2019, 04:34:29 PM
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I don't know exactly about the other regions but from ASIA you cannot take gold away. They are crazy about gold and they are ready to invest in gold any time. I think this year investors are more interested in Gold as compared to crypto currency. Now Let's wait for the mid January to have an idea of BTC price.
Yes i do absolutely agree with this statement, Im from indonesia and i do admit people in my country really crazy with gold and they do not think that stock and cryptocurrency are a good way to invest their money. I think gold still the best investment in asia and the demand is really high and many people still think that gold are the best way to store value.

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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages

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February 07, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
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When bitcoin never grow up will be possible for all bitcoin investor back to the gold investment, they will try to get profit with gold investment, how ever is the best way to get profit with investment kinds.
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February 08, 2019, 12:17:15 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.

Gold for millennia is always the best shelter. I think that in the future it will also be bitcoin given that it enjoys scarcity and extract it has a cost, just like gold.

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February 08, 2019, 01:19:35 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Alot of people are dying just to get gold.Miners willing to risk life just to get gold because they saw assurance that there is sure profit on it.Cryptocurrency is a risky thing and those whose been here for long time,they were willing to risk their money without any hassle and i think its all about peoples willingness on where to invest today.

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February 08, 2019, 02:58:46 AM
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I don't know exactly about the other regions but from ASIA you cannot take gold away. They are crazy about gold and they are ready to invest in gold any time. I think this year investors are more interested in Gold as compared to crypto currency. Now Let's wait for the mid January to have an idea of BTC price.
Yes i do absolutely agree with this statement, Im from indonesia and i do admit people in my country really crazy with gold and they do not think that stock and cryptocurrency are a good way to invest their money. I think gold still the best investment in asia and the demand is really high and many people still think that gold are the best way to store value.

Im also from asia and i see that many people likes to buy gold ( not the actual gold ) but jewelries made of pure gold because they can afford to it easily but thats acceptable because gold is more well known that bitcoin or any other cryptos .  other people here do also love cryptos and they even invest with it .  as soon as crypto will become popular , it can also compete with gold because people see it as a profitable investment tool  .
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February 08, 2019, 03:26:02 AM
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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages
it's true but in my opinion here people also have not just bitcoin as an investment. chances are they also have other investments such as gold or stocks and property. these are all very natural things

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February 08, 2019, 03:50:01 AM
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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages
it's true but in my opinion here people also have not just bitcoin as an investment. chances are they also have other investments such as gold or stocks and property. these are all very natural things
right, big investors certainly don't only have one type of business. as well as investment, of course not just one investment. and I think they are not back to worry, but indeed many have invested in gold before
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February 08, 2019, 04:23:03 AM
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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages
it's true but in my opinion here people also have not just bitcoin as an investment. chances are they also have other investments such as gold or stocks and property. these are all very natural things
This is a must in every investors of course, never rely on one source of income because there's a lot of market where you can also make good money. Its people choice to come back to gold, or to invest on both since it can be more profitable for them. We should really create more sources of income, and gold is always a good investment because of its stable price.
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February 08, 2019, 04:57:12 AM
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With the current economy, the fears about the Brexit, Italy, the Sino-American problems and the general pessimism among investors; It looks like Gold is coming back the past months. At the same time, countries like the EU, Japan & China are reducing their investments in the economy,
(it should also reduce demand for the USD?)

Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
Alot of people are dying just to get gold.Miners willing to risk life just to get gold because they saw assurance that there is sure profit on it.Cryptocurrency is a risky thing and those whose been here for long time,they were willing to risk their money without any hassle and i think its all about peoples willingness on where to invest today.
gold is a good investment.
Even the Central banks are buying more Gold (+13% from the previous year). Economists predict a dark year for 2019 and it seems a lot of large funds are now buying Gold massively. Especially from Asia and Soviets.
There is not enough gold in the world to back up all of the money. People can still value it, but I doubt they can use it like the US did. What could be done instead is using cryptocurrencies after dollar collapses, because they are naturally limited and don't need any kind of backing up. Well, a weird but not impossible thing would be to back up fiat by cryptocurrencies. I guess this would be the situation gold and dollar used to be in. It's not such a bad idea in case people come to value cryptocurrencies themselves. Fiat was a bad idea, and something has to replace it. The crash is probably inevitable...

But the US Dollar isn't backed by Gold since years. And if Central Banks are massively buying gold it can be because they do know the USD will deflate a lot soon (GBP too anyway) (hence also the very bad stock market this autumn?) so they are avoiding the USD deflation or to "save" funds and once again gold is showing its power when it's about "saving" funds.
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February 08, 2019, 05:39:46 AM
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It's too big for me to think of the world economy, but it looks like this really does happen, I feel the beginning of 2019 is very difficult in terms of the economy, the business that I live this year is really quiet. Crypto trading also feels hard to get profit. actually for the general public gold has not been abandoned and is still the first choice in investing, because gold has many advantages. And my mistake is to exchange most of the gold I have with crypto currencies
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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages

To be precise Gold Investment is outdated and i do not think any person now will prefer to invest in Gold. Those who are holding gold are those who have been holding it already for a long time. New Generation is attracted to bitcoin investment as the rate of return is much more higher here and also you can double your investments in two years or before.

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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages
Yes you're right. it is possible that they only secure the assets they have in gold, and wait for the price to rise before investing in bitcoin again. I know that many investors are waiting for the market to recover, and gold is one of the best investment places after Bitcoin.
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February 08, 2019, 10:49:22 AM
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I still don't have any gold in any part of my house because I know that it is hard to make a business with it for me that's why I still gonna find a different ways of earnings like Cryptocurrency. It makes more sense than putting my self to a hard time of making more profit because I know it is hard to make more money it.
to be able to have 1 gold bar of course you have to need a lot of capital because the price of gold is very expensive compared to cryptocurrency, but if you only have a little better capital you don't turn away from cryptocurrency because of cryptocurrency you can grow assets you have even though there are only a few.



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February 08, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
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Gold investment has been around for a long time and bitcoin is including a new instrument in investment. And the risk between gold and bitcoin is very different where the risk of bitcoin is much higher than gold. but both have their advantages and disadvantages

To be precise Gold Investment is outdated and i do not think any person now will prefer to invest in Gold. Those who are holding gold are those who have been holding it already for a long time. New Generation is attracted to bitcoin investment as the rate of return is much more higher here and also you can double your investments in two years or before.
- It's just your thoughts. In fact, people still love to invest in gold regardless of whether they are new generation or old generation because gold has a stability and sustainability, its lifetime has proved its value. While bitcoin is just a prominent boy in recent times, and what we see from it is a high profit but the risk is also enormous, and people invest in it just because they care about new investments, bring them very fast profits, and when this excitement ends, they will still return to gold, which is sure


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February 08, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
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gold investment has been around for a long time and it has become one of the investments with a very safe category and also its value continues to increase even though it is not as fast as the bitcoin movement

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February 08, 2019, 02:42:57 PM
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people coming back to gold is not making a big difference in the grand scheme of things
I mean the general public doesn't influence the price of gold in any way
even if you bought gold for all the money you have and your neighbours do the same, the price is formed not
through the usual supply / demand model , but by gold fixing :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_fixing
in the times of instability the money tend to flow to the relatively safe havens like gold, so there is nothing unusual if people come back to gold as you've put it

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February 08, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
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if that is certain because getting profits or income in crypto is still very difficult now, so indeed many investors have returned to investing in gold again until crypto has a good change in the price of each coin
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February 08, 2019, 05:23:15 PM
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Gold is oversold right now so buying gold at its current price wouldn't probably be a good idea cause it needs some sort of correction right now. People buying in an uptrend will suffer major loses. If i were them i will look for an alternative asset that is cheap and in a downtrend right now. So better invest in other assets such as bitcoin.

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February 08, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
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Are you seriously? In order to "return" to gold and start trading it, you must have considerable reserves of funds. In simple language, you should be rich in order to allow yourself to trade in gold. This is the advantage of cryptocurrency, everyone can start working.
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February 08, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
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Are you seriously? In order to "return" to gold and start trading it, you must have considerable reserves of funds. In simple language, you should be rich in order to allow yourself to trade in gold. This is the advantage of cryptocurrency, everyone can start working.

You didn't even read the discussion. Who talked about trading Gold? Gold is a store of value, not really an asset to trade with. People buy Gold not to make a profit but rather to secure their funds. To secure from inflation, government, banks, etc.. You guys can't even understand simple things.
Even a 10 years old kid do it, but not you!


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February 08, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
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yes, weaker dollar would be good for gold, is save and easy to buy.
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February 09, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
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Are you seriously? In order to "return" to gold and start trading it, you must have considerable reserves of funds. In simple language, you should be rich in order to allow yourself to trade in gold. This is the advantage of cryptocurrency, everyone can start working.

You didn't even read the discussion. Who talked about trading Gold? Gold is a store of value, not really an asset to trade with. People buy Gold not to make a profit but rather to secure their funds. To secure from inflation, government, banks, etc.. You guys can't even understand simple things.
Even a 10 years old kid do it, but not you!



I am agree with you. People buying and holding gold because its more resistant from inflation. As store of value, gold more trusted and government recognize gold as investment. Bitcoin can be a store of value but i think its need more time to gain investor confident

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February 09, 2019, 09:32:06 AM
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if that is certain because getting profits or income in crypto is still very difficult now, so indeed many investors have returned to investing in gold again until crypto has a good change in the price of each coin

It will happen if you are born with a lot of money to invest what you want but different for some people who want to invest something by thinking correctly and making a profit.
when you have a lot of money it is possible to invest anywhere but usually these investors choose a place that can provide very much profit from what is invested, maybe only a few investors return to gold investment.
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February 10, 2019, 08:11:16 AM
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gold investment has been around for a long time and it has become one of the investments with a very safe category and also its value continues to increase even though it is not as fast as the bitcoin movement
For me it is not because it does not give more profit than gold, it is not old age mate we are living in modern era where we will have to move with time without looking what has been using by people in nineties, gold is not safe to invest as holing it is one of issue needs improvement, but if you invest in crypto you will not be worry steeling or street robbing.
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February 10, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
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People will always move to avenues that will yield profit and it will not be surprise the gold industry still have millions of investors across the globe. Just as the gold industry have investors, cryptocurrency world also has its own investors who believe in the concept and hold patiently till the market hit the bull market to earn more profit.
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February 10, 2019, 11:36:40 AM
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I think it depends on their status in life because as I of me I don't really have any other background on storing any gold in my house that's why I choose to invest with this currencies. And I think it is really hard to say that most people here in Cryptocurrency are using gold before that's why maybe they will still stay in investing to Crypto just making some right timing to make a better earnings.
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February 11, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
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gold investment has been around for a long time and it has become one of the investments with a very safe category and also its value continues to increase even though it is not as fast as the bitcoin movement
For me it is not because it does not give more profit than gold, it is not old age mate we are living in modern era where we will have to move with time without looking what has been using by people in nineties, gold is not safe to invest as holing it is one of issue needs improvement, but if you invest in crypto you will not be worry steeling or street robbing.

Dude, most people don't store the gold at home under the bed or in the bathroom. What about if I tell you it's easier to steal your coins than your gold. If a day cryptos are massively used, most people will store their coins in their latest smartphone just to look swag, I can already imagine the number of people who will be ripped from their smartphone

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February 11, 2019, 08:53:50 PM
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Are you seriously? In order to "return" to gold and start trading it, you must have considerable reserves of funds. In simple language, you should be rich in order to allow yourself to trade in gold. This is the advantage of cryptocurrency, everyone can start working.

You didn't even read the discussion. Who talked about trading Gold? Gold is a store of value, not really an asset to trade with. People buy Gold not to make a profit but rather to secure their funds. To secure from inflation, government, banks, etc.. You guys can't even understand simple things.
Even a 10 years old kid do it, but not you!


Just the same people with very good finances can only afford. Ordinary mortals do not care about gold. A cryptocurrency is their chance to become something more.
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February 12, 2019, 10:03:18 AM
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We are down 24 pages on this thread and all I can read are rewording of post on page 1 or 2.... is people really willing to add value to the discussion or only willing to post for the sake of it?

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February 12, 2019, 01:28:26 PM
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Well if crypto will still on the dip maybe people will change thier mind and back to hold. I believe that people has a different strategy on surviving this huge dip. Some other people invest in crypto and hold with a big hope. Everyone is hoping that crypto will be back to normal.
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February 12, 2019, 02:54:59 PM
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Well if crypto will still on the dip maybe people will change thier mind and back to hold. I believe that people has a different strategy on surviving this huge dip. Some other people invest in crypto and hold with a big hope. Everyone is hoping that crypto will be back to normal.
you're right, even though many are back in gold at the moment, they might return to crypto if things have improved. I think, lately there are quite fresh winds that are blowing. hopefully when the market has recovered, investors return to crypto, not to gold.
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February 14, 2019, 04:39:57 AM
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Well if crypto will still on the dip maybe people will change thier mind and back to hold. I believe that people has a different strategy on surviving this huge dip. Some other people invest in crypto and hold with a big hope. Everyone is hoping that crypto will be back to normal.
I think no one will leave crypto investment for gold because crypto investment is more convenient than gold, as you know gold has physical presence that one you bought so you will have to keep at safe place to sell in future,  so I guess no one would like to invest in gold after investing in crypto as crypto has all positive things that gold does not have.
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